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SurvivorBlows 15230 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-18-02, 09:05 PM (EST) "So how was Combat Missions?" Ok, I haven't seen Episode 1 yet, I'm planning on watching one of the three "encore" repeats on either Sunday or Tuesday, but I'm wondering what folks thought of it. Anyone?   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: So how was Combat Missions? dabo 01-18-02 1    RE: So how was Combat Missions? SkyRaider 01-19-02 2  Ratings AyaK 01-22-02 3  RE: So how was Combat Missions? PagongRatEater 01-25-02 4    RE: So how was Combat Missions? moonbaby 01-25-02 5        RE: So how was Combat Missions? PagongRatEater 01-25-02 6        RE: So how was Combat Missions? dabo 01-27-02 7  RE: So how was Combat Missions? SurvivorBlows 01-28-02 8    Possible minor spoiler SurvivorBlows 01-28-02 9    RE: So how was Combat Missions? dabo 01-28-02 10  RE: So how was Combat Missions? SurvivinDawg 01-30-02 11  Delta really blew it last night! moonbaby 01-31-02 12    RE: Delta really blew it last night... shakes the clown 01-31-02 13        RE: Delta really blew it last night... zeezer 01-31-02 14            RE: Delta really blew it last night... shakes the clown 01-31-02 15                RE: Delta really blew it last night... zeezer 02-01-02 17        RE: Delta really blew it last night... moonbaby 01-31-02 16            RE: Delta really blew it last night... dabo 02-01-02 18            A study in contrasts SurvivinDawg 02-02-02 19  Is Ed Bugarin bad for Charlie? moonbaby 02-07-02 20    RE: Is Ed Bugarin bad for Charlie? SurvivinDawg 02-07-02 21    RE: Is Ed Bugarin bad for Charlie? shakes the clown 02-07-02 22        RE: Is Ed Bugarin bad for Charlie? sonrod 02-07-02 23            RE: Is Ed Bugarin bad for Charlie? moonbaby 02-08-02 24        RE: Is Ed Bugarin bad for Charlie? SurvivinDawg 02-08-02 25

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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-18-02, 11:51 PM (EST) 1. "RE: So how was Combat Missions?" The first episode was okay, though you get to know very few of the contestants. Unfortunately, it isn't really about having a well thought out game based on war games; it's mainly about showcasing military discipline, concepts of duty, honor and loyalty, within the context of a game. But that's alright. There is a lot of beefcake for those who would want to tune in for that. The main war game competition in the first episode was well done, it took quite awhile to get to it though. Hopefully the opening sequence will be trimmed or even a new one done, there was however a bit of spoiler material there in some of what was revealed. I'm hopeful that it will pick up and become more interesting as it goes along and we can get to know some of these players better. "If all machines were to be annihilated at one moment, so that not a knife nor lever nor rag of clothing nor anything whatsoever were left to man but his bare body alone that he was born with, and if all knowledge of mechanical laws were taken from him so that he could make no more machines, and all machine-made food destroyed so that the race of man should be left as it were naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks. A few miserable individuals might linger, but even these in a year or two would become worse than monkeys." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")   Top

SkyRaider 1301 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 01-19-02, 12:23 PM (EST) 2. "RE: So how was Combat Missions?" There was beefcake, tons of it....but the only eye candy, if you could even describe it as that, were the two old gals you might pick up at closing time who were acting as barmaids running their "off-duty club." They also had a "Major" who was female and stood in the background while Rudy woodenly read his script. Her apparent job was to hold a clipboard and look as if she was serving some useful purpose.   Top

AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-02, 03:53 PM (EST) 3. "Ratings" Well, whatever else "Combat Missions" may have been, it was a ratings winner, according to Zap2it.com: http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?23265 'Combat Mission' Scores for USA Networks Fri, Jan 18, 2002 08:43 PM PDT LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - The reality show "Combat Missions" scored a victory for USA Networks in its series premiere Wednesday night (Jan. 16), pulling 2.1 million viewers aged 18 and over. The premiere pulled a 2.1 household rating, reaching 1.78 million households. Men in particular liked the reality-based series from "Survivor" executive producer Mark Burnett. Among men 18-49, the series was up 261 percent over the cable network's performance in the same time period last year. The 15-week, reality-action series features military men competing with each other in four six-man squads. The competitors include former members of the Navy Seals, Green Berets, S.W.A.T., Delta Force and the CIA special ops. Recruited from over 700 applicants, the men engage in a series of missions designed to simulate the drama of real-life combat, including combat training, hostage rescues, enemy attacks and urban assaults. The four teams -- Alpha, Bravo, Charlie and Delta -- are assembled at Camp Windstorm, a mock secret military base where the contestants lived and competed while the show was in production. Each time a team loses a mission, they most vote out a member of the team. The winning team gets to share a $150,000 cash prize, and move on to an individual competition where the final player gets to take home $250,000. "Combat Missions" is hosted by former "Survivor" castaway Rudy Boesch. Boesch is the longest serving Navy S.E.A.L. and a recipient of the Bronze Star Medal for heroic action during his more than 45 combat operations in the Republic of Vietnam. Unlike other reality shows, the missions that the men will take part in will feature a number of special effects, such as items blowing up and real fire. In designing the mission, Burnett used a technical advisory team, including a special effects coordinator, a weapons consultant and a pyrotechnic foreman.   Top

PagongRatEater 12996 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-25-02, 02:06 PM (EST) 4. "RE: So how was Combat Missions?" SB, The show is actually pretty good IMHO. The biggest issue is getting to know the contestants. Hopefully as time goes on we will get a better insight into their personality. Rudy is pretty wooden when he is going according to the script, but he is great in the sidebar comments he makes - still the same curmudgeonly guy. What I have found really interesting is that many of these military types are not at all interested in the "game" aspect of the show. They look at their squad as a team and many of them do not want to vote anybody off (i.e. - in the first episode they had to draw swords to dismiss someone). It will also be interesting to see how this goes from a team competition to a one-winner format. These guys are all professional who conduct themselves admirably. I think it will definitely grow on me. Another intersting thing they do is in the first two episodes when the losing team votes someone off, they get to replace him with another player from the Dossier Room - thus making the weaker team better for losing. Cool concept. Feel free to jump in late, I don't think that you will have missed anything at this point since there has been little "character development" up to this point. Just my two cents.   Top

moonbaby 17120 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-25-02, 02:35 PM (EST) 5. "RE: So how was Combat Missions?" I agree with PagongRatEater-I like the show and will continue to watch. Rudy is what roped me in, and he is the least interesting to watch at Camp Windbag. If they let him wing it without a script it would be better! Won't deny the hunk factor for the female audience-Baz is to swoon for. The menfolk don't have much to ogle-just a couple of "Coyote Ugly" rejects who try too hard to get the guys to loosen up. Seems like teams are still on best behavior but some conflict will be coming up with Scott Helvenson of Delta Squad mouthing off a bit too much. Alpha Squad did the best on their Tank Take-Out mission, but an ambush knocked them out-an ambush that no other team had to face! One last comment-can't pin down the accent on Sgt. Major Dever. Anybody? Sounds like a mix of Brooklynese, Australian, and Elmer Fudd.   Top

PagongRatEater 12996 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-25-02, 04:32 PM (EST) 6. "RE: So how was Combat Missions?" my guess is Philly area-Italian on the accent. Sounds like Rocky with Marbles in his mouth.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-27-02, 03:12 PM (EST) 7. "RE: So how was Combat Missions?" Evolution 2 was more of the same but still pretty interesting, funny bit with the bartender trying to get something of a party going. Same challenge for Alpha and Delta that Bravo and Charlie went through last week, I guess that's fair. Alpha didn't eliminate Shadow Squad and so faced the ambush after completing the mission objective, they deserved it. Promos make it seem things will pick up as the series evolves. Rudy is great, I love his observations; unfortunately, he's still pretty wooden when he's following the script, but that's part of the Rudy charm. "If all machines were to be annihilated at one moment, so that not a knife nor lever nor rag of clothing nor anything whatsoever were left to man but his bare body alone that he was born with, and if all knowledge of mechanical laws were taken from him so that he could make no more machines, and all machine-made food destroyed so that the race of man should be left as it were naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks. A few miserable individuals might linger, but even these in a year or two would become worse than monkeys." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")   Top

SurvivorBlows 15230 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-28-02, 00:43 AM (EST) 8. "RE: So how was Combat Missions?" OK, I never did see "Evolution 1" (Is the word "Episode" suddenly taboo?) but I dod catch Ep2 this weekend. Impressions: 1) The "Snake Pit" is so cheesy. Even Rudy called it something like "the beer joint" and had to correct himself -- it clearly is a sad attempt at a bar. I also thought the brunette "bartender" (the one that got the one-one commentary scene) was the more attractive of the two, although neither of them is the "seen better days" women I'd gotten the impression of from reading the comments here -- both are clearer young and attractive. 2) Chris Pate is pathetic. I'm sooo glad I don't live in Panama City, FL right now. 3) They need to show the players "organization" more when they are showing their names. When they introduced Rod Teeple I must of missed his SEAL subheading on the graphic... then I spent the next 20-30 minutes waiting for them to show it again to no avail (they showed his name repeatedly when he was on screen, but nothing more.) Given that they were talking about Harvard MBA, planning skills, etc., and HIS ROLE IN THE MISSION, I thoguht it was especially important to clearly understand exactly what his experiences were (personally I was thinking he was one of the "non-military" CIA or SWAT guys.) Finally I gave up trying to wait for a graphic and surfed over to the show's website. 4) SCOTT HELVENSTON seems to be your typical hot-headed jock. Somehow he convinced the website to link to his personal business: http://www.amphibianathletics.com ...typical West Coast crap -- a "survival training" thing that claims in three days to recreate SEAL training. Um, sure... And can SOMEONE explain to be how you graduate SEAL training at 17 years old? ...I'm thinking his Dad is a admiral or something. 5) The previews that the end seem to contain MANY, MANY spoilers (if anyone cared enough for the show to take vidcaps.) There are many scenes from upcoming missions, and faces are clearly visible in a number of them. There is even a scene of one guy talking to the camera how he is tired of having to keep going into the dimissal room and having to dimiss players (so we clearly know he isn't going anywhere for a few episodes.) -SB One question -- if this is the same mission as Ep1, how did the first two groups do?   Top

SurvivorBlows 15230 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-28-02, 01:08 AM (EST) 9. "Possible minor spoiler" >There is even a scene of one guy talking to the >camera how he is tired of having to keep going into >the dimissal room and having to dimiss players >(so we clearly know he isn't going anywhere for >a few episodes.) FYI... I just rewatched the end of the midnight airing -- I didn't tape the "future eps" part, but I did catch the name on this guy's sleeeve (), it started with "Cren" and he was African-American, so I'm figuring he is OSSIE CRENSHAW from Charlie (as I said, I missed Ep1, so I've never seen this team.) If the clip is true, then things don't look good for Charlie team. -SB   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-28-02, 01:33 AM (EST) 10. "RE: So how was Combat Missions?" Well, the game aspect of this series still has me pondering, I thought from the early promos (way way last year) that the teams would be intact and gathering points, with individuals gathering individual points based on performance, until the individual competitions when the eliminations would begin (based on points). Anyway, one squad lost five and the other four in the first evolution main challenge against Shadow Squad, though both took their time and eliminated the Shadows thus avoiding a final ambush. I totally hate the aspect where the squads can improve themselves by adding a new member (probably from Shadow Squad, why waste any of these ops by having them just sit around?) to replace the one voted out (or who draws the wrong sword). I have to say, though, that the players in this one all seem like worthy guys (shame there isn't a woman or two amongst them, you would think SWAT forces would have been able to provide one at least) and even though I loath violence in principle, I totally respect those people who are there to do the dirtiest jobs imaginable when it needs doing. Still, I can't help but chuckle at the bang-your-dead aspect of the challenges, these contestants must have laughed their asses off at the acting they were expected to do.   Top

SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-30-02, 12:18 PM (EST) 11. "RE: So how was Combat Missions?" LAST EDITED ON 01-30-02 AT 12:19 PM (EST) I seem to remember when the concept of Combat Missions was first discussed, the real military had objections to them showing the military techniques of our Special Forces, et. al. I believe you can tell that the show has been edited to answer those objections. They don't show much of the actual planning that would surely occur, with the sand tables and maps and such. The actual mission scenes show the people, but it's not easy to see their movement *as a group*, and I think some of that might have been edited out. For an ex-military person like me, it's a bit of a disappointment, but most folks won't know what they're missing. *** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged   Top

moonbaby 17120 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-31-02, 01:06 PM (EST) 12. "Delta really blew it last night!" Did they not see the truck's big "23" on the side? *sigh* I was still hoping someone would pop Scottie one in the mouth. I predict Baz will be new team leader   Top

shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 01-31-02, 04:32 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Delta really blew it last night!" I was glad to see Teeple get the boot last night, he completely cost his team in both missions with his horrible tactics and game time decisions. Why did they try and take out the two guards while the truck was approaching in the distance? How stupid was that? All they did was eliminate the element of surprise while at the same time putting their targets in two different spots. And to top it off, it wasn't even the right truck! I feel real safe with this idiot protecting our Country. And last week didn't he rush the tank without telling anyone and also, without the explosives? If it wasn't for the other team getting ambused Delta wouldve been beaten handily in that mission as well. I like this show so far, can't wait to see the cast start to get whittled down a bit so we can get some more character development. The one thing I didn't like was the way they repeated the mission in week #1 and #2. Also, they either completely rigged the "running across the water bridge" challenge or they didnt' explain the rules very well because we saw a lot of people falling off the bridge without even being touched. If you watched it closely you could see on several occasions they used footage of guys simply jumping into the water. Maybe this was because they were pushed past the grey line, but I don't know if that was even a rule since they didn't explain it???? Now, its not uncommon to go back and stage scenes for aesthetic purposes after a challenge has been shot....it was done on Survivor and it was done on Love Cruise as well, so I bet that is where the footage came from, so that means that they never showed how those people actually lost in the challenge. Also, if the guns shoot lasers, then how do they get the dirt to kick up around the Shadow team when they get shot at????? Pretty tricky there. But, I do love the way the Shadow team acts it out when they get shot, makes it very lifelike.   Top

zeezer 2 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 01-31-02, 07:31 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Delta really blew it last night!" i am stoked you like the show.....i worked on it and am very proud of it. we were remiss in not explaining the proper rules for the gauntlet...but you are right....if you land in the gray area you are out...thats why they jumped in the water. and nothing was staged. period.   Top

shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 01-31-02, 08:56 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Delta really blew it last night!" >we were remiss in not explaining >the proper rules for the >gauntlet...but you are right....if you >land in the gray area >you are out...thats why they >jumped in the water. > >and nothing was staged. period. ..>Hey Zeezer, welcome to the boards. I have enojyed the show thus far, but I knew I would since it is a Burnett show. As far as the "staged" comment, I was not implying that scenes were staged that affected the outcome of the game. Rather, there are certain shots that you can't get during the competitions that help improve the look of the show when it is aired. After teh actual running of the comp, it is common practice to go back and shoot some scenes from teh comp from different angles. For instance, in Survivor 2, Burnett had crew members re-enact the "Butch and Sundance" challenge so he could get far angle helicoptor shots for the eventual airing. On Love Cruise, after the floating intelligence challenge we all had to get back on our rafts and fall off so the cameras could get close-ups of all the contestants falling in the water. Since I won that comp, I didn't have to partake. Later on, in the sled pull comp, we went back and reshot some pulling scenes so the cameras could follow us from two feet away in order to get some tight face shots. Obviously, after watching CM and now knowing the full rules it is clear that the editors took advantage of the jumping into the water to leave the impression that they were thrown in by the competition. This is similar to the staging I talk about in my post. Nothing wrong with it, just something I noticed.   Top

zeezer 2 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 02-01-02, 03:13 AM (EST) 17. "RE: Delta really blew it last night!" shakes.....roger that. i just wanted everyone to know that the results of competitions/missions were never altered in ANY way. keep watching. i can't reveal anything specific, of course, but all i can say is 'you ain't seen nothing yet!'   Top

moonbaby 17120 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-31-02, 11:01 PM (EST) 16. "RE: Delta really blew it last night!" LAST EDITED ON 01-31-02 AT 11:03 PM (EST) shakes reminded me of a couple of things-Teeple did rush the tank last ep, and I think Scottie said Teeple got all John Wayne out there. I suspect Teeple got caught up in the moment again and changed their rescue plan at the last minute. One of the guys (Scott again, I think) remarked he was surprised when he heard shots taken at the checkpoint guards. The other members of the team should have spoken up if that was the case, but whatever, Teeple is gone. Next team leader will have his hands full teaching these guys how to recognize the subtle differences between the numbers 1 and 2 *smirk* The other thing-the dirt kicking up when the shots were fired at those guards-did they edit in special effects? I guess we needed to see in a very obvious way that Baz missed his target, although the lack of the gutteral "Ugh!" and the following gymnastic flip would have been a good enough clue for me! Hey shadow guys, here's a tip: next time add "Ya GOT me!" You can never be too sure the viewers at home realize that you've been hit Looking forward to seeing the other teams in next week's "evolution."   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-01-02, 10:40 AM (EST) 18. "RE: Delta really blew it last night!" I think it is interesting that in three evolutions we've seen the boot go three ways; drawing swords, voting, volunteer. Frankly, had they voted in evolution 3, Delta should have gotten rid of Teeple anyway. Delta got lucky in evolution 2 that Alpha left themselves open for an ambush after achieving the mission objective, and even if 23 had been the right truck I don't know what he was thinking firing on the checkpoint before the truck arrived there. As for the squibs going off during the missions, I doubt if they're laser triggered, either they're planted around the area and triggered by a tech at the appropriate time (though how they would know when to set them off is something I can't figure out) or those scenes are restaged later with the squibs in place.   Top

SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-02-02, 06:41 AM (EST) 19. "A study in contrasts" LAST EDITED ON 02-07-02 AT 08:36 AM (EST) The other thing-the dirt kicking up when the shots were fired at those guards-did they edit in special effects? I guess we needed to see in a very obvious way that Baz missed his target Yes, either they edited in the special effects, or as was suggested above, they re-shot the shadow squad scenes after the action was over to give the appearance of bullets flying. This mission really showed the difference between a well executed plan and a badly executed one. Bravo executed the ambush with precision, waiting for the right truck, letting everyone congregate at the truck cab (remember, the POW was in the back), then taking them out in one fell swoop. Delta did it horribly, especially considering that they must have known the truck number! Quite frankly, this was a very easy mission, like one of those ROTC practice exercises we used to do. I expect Bravo and Charlie to do well on it, also. *** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged   Top

moonbaby 17120 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-07-02, 12:54 PM (EST) 20. "Is Ed Bugarin bad for Charlie?" I don't know....it seemed like he jumped the gun last night, he knew it and seemed nervous about getting voted off, but then Potter got the boot! What's with these guys not waiting for the right truck? Anyway, Alpha did well, Rudy got his weekly (OMG) haircut, and a mysterious MIB named Cade arrived to save Charlie's sorry butt....maybe. Someone almost drowns next week, and I do believe it's a member of CHARLIE!   Top

SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-07-02, 01:11 PM (EST) 21. "RE: Is Ed Bugarin bad for Charlie?" Rudy got his weekly (OMG) haircut OMG is right. If Rudy wants to get his hair cut every week, go for it buddy. We always went by the axiom of getting a haircut per paycheck (usually monthly). *** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged   Top

shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 02-07-02, 03:30 PM (EST) 22. "RE: Is Ed Bugarin bad for Charlie?" What's with these guys >not waiting for the right >truck? Anyway, Alpha did well, ....I'm confused. Last night Alpha cleared that mission in twenty minutes with ease, yet they ALSO took out the wrong truck to start the firefight. How come they were able to take out the wrong truck, the gurad station and the right truck and complete the mission in such a short amount of time while Charlie was at about the 10:00 mark before the first truck even showed up. I may not be right on my times, but I'm not far off. Was Alpha that much better than everybody else, or did they have an advantage in that the trucks came quicker on their run???   Top

sonrod 25 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-07-02, 09:44 PM (EST) 23. "RE: Is Ed Bugarin bad for Charlie?" I believe I remember Potter or one of the other Charlie members complaining that Ed Bugarin was too deliberate in the execution of the missions. They wanted to speed up the attacks, i.e. shoot from the hip. Ed didn't volunteer to fall on his sword after they lost their second mission. Ed did the right thing. Potter, for all his skill as an operator in the Navy Seals, led the assault team that was spotted by the guards in the shack, forcing Ed's hand to open fire. Potter sulked when the "Team Leader" ignored his Potter's plan of throwing a smoke gernade between the guard shack and in from of the approaching truck. Hell why not just wait until the truck stops. If I'm driving and I hear gunfire, I wont't stop! I'll floor the hell out of there then maybe I'll slow down after speeding to a safe distance. They did well to boot Potter off. He no longer had the patience to be a team player. He did have patience once; he was a seal for twenty years, but once he got out he grew a pony tail, fashioned a beer gut, and lost his patience.   Top

moonbaby 17120 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-08-02, 01:36 PM (EST) 24. "RE: Is Ed Bugarin bad for Charlie?" LAST EDITED ON 02-08-02 AT 01:37 PM (EST) >I believe I remember Potter or >one of the other Charlie >members complaining that Ed Bugarin >was too deliberate in the >execution of the missions. They >wanted to speed up the >attacks, i.e. shoot from the >hip. Thanks, I must have been AWOL when this went on Seriously, it explains alot. Regarding Potter, how bout a couple of eps back when Rudy said something like "he used to be in good shape when he worked with me, now he's got too much weight on him, grew his hair....yeah, must be that ponytail slowin him down." Classic Rudy!   Top

SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-08-02, 04:06 PM (EST) 25. "RE: Is Ed Bugarin bad for Charlie?" LAST EDITED ON 02-08-02 AT 04:12 PM (EST) How come they were able to take out the wrong truck, the gurad station and the right truck and complete the mission in such a short amount of time while Charlie was at about the 10:00 mark before the first truck even showed up. I may not be right on my times, but I'm not far off. Was Alpha that much better than everybody else, or did they have an advantage in that the trucks came quicker on their run??? The quick answer is: 1) Alpha made better shots than the other teams and killed more enemy soldiers more quickly. Remember last week how Delta totally missed the two guys at the guard shack, giving them time to run behind the building. (Bravo, of course, saw all the bad guys get in a small, close group and took them out with a hi-shot-volume ambush.) 2) It's hard to see with the camera angles, but it looked like Alpha was better set up so they couldn't be flanked. Delta lost all six men because they were flanked from the left. Charlie was compromised early by being spotted before they were ready to go. Alpha was able to kill the enemy as they (the enemy) tried to flank them (Alpha). 3) As to the times, I'll have to check the tape but it looked like Charlie was disorganized and got off to a late start, whereas Alpha scooted right on out. I didn't think the trucks were much out of phase on their times. But the times shown might not be accurate, either. Recall how on Boot Camp the elapsed times frequently didn't correlate. Same problem could have occurred here. *** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged   Top

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