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"One topic I will not watch"
GreenSideUp 274 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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10-24-05, 02:40 PM (EST)
 
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"One topic I will not watch" |
I was looking at the casting page at some of the topics they have proposed. I can't waste one ounce of energy on infertility. With so many children looking for homes, I just have no patience for spoiled people who have to do it the "right" way. My son would not appreciate me saying this, but I feel blessed to have had a disabled child. At least he didn't have to sit in an orphanage while some self-absorbed control freak wastes money on fertility treatments and then expects everyone to step up and help when she has a whole litter of premature babies. What issue(s) would make you stop watching?
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LRoyce 35 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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10-24-05, 03:47 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: One topic I will not watch" |
I wasn't trying to be nosey or offensive, I am sorry if it felt that way. Your post just seemed so dismissive of women who want to have a child, can't, and go through a great deal to change the result that I wanted you to think about why anyone does have a child.My first child had a brain hemorrage (I have no idea how it's spelled) at birth and was left with paralysis on his right side, vision problems, daily seizures even with 20 pills a day, and an IQ of 75. So I know what such a problem does to one's energy, money and emotions. But I don't understand why you feel that a woman should give up and go immediately to adoption instead of trying some of the options available to her. My daughter watched one of her friends end up with three pregnancies and three beautiful daughters by taking infertility treatments. My daughter went the whole route herself when she discovered that adoption was going to cost almost $20,000 and they would be on a 3 1/2 year wait list. After 2 eptopic pregnancies and a miscarriage, she has given up. But she had to try, I see that, even if I don't agree with it and would not have done it myself.
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GreenSideUp 274 desperate attention whore postings
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10-24-05, 03:49 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: One topic I will not watch" |
I wonder if the wait lists are that long for older or mixed-race children?
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coolkid 8 desperate attention whore postings
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10-24-05, 04:47 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: One topic I will not watch" |
First, I take offense to being called spoiled and a self-absorbed control freak because I want to try to have children the "right" way. I would just like to try to have a child naturally. I get Allison when she talks about feeling less feminine as a result of losing key organs that are integral in the definition of being a woman. In vitro is the only chance my husband and I have at having a child naturally. For us it's about being able to say that we've exhausted all of our options before relenting fully to infertility. It's not true for everyone but having tried is important to us. If we're not successful, then we are not successful but at least we tried. Further more, these days fertility doctors are generally only transferring 1-2, maybe 3, eggs so that the couple does not end up with 3,4,5 or 6 children. It's not healthy physically for the babies or the mother not to mention the financial burden. Lastly, we are also going to adopt a child or children, regardless of the outcome from in vitro. I found your comments quite judgemental and insensitive. Clearly we both feel strongly about the topic.With that said, some topics may not hold my interest but I don't think there is a topic that would cause me not watch the show altogether. For me, it's all grist for the mill. I can learn something from everyone.
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GreenSideUp 274 desperate attention whore postings
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10-24-05, 05:21 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: One topic I will not watch" |
I suppose one big discrepancy is how people perceive the concept of what is natural.
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coolkid 8 desperate attention whore postings
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10-24-05, 05:35 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: One topic I will not watch" |
I felt offended and I wanted to say so and why. Now that I have I'm done and moving on to your proposed topic. For me, any further discussion on the topic of infertility, adoption, natural vs. unnatural etc. needs to go to private e-mail.
Regarding the topic you proposed, as one poster said earlier, each one of us would probably sit through a topic that another would not.
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julieo74 40 desperate attention whore postings
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10-24-05, 05:33 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: One topic I will not watch" |
>>I can't waste one ounce of
>energy on infertility. With so
>many children looking for homes,
>I just have no patience
>for spoiled people who have
>to do it the "right"
>way.
>Okay, now its time to talk to someone with some experience in both fields of this discussion. I have one birth child, one adopted child and have had 2 miscariages, and infertility treatment. It's every persons right on this earth to have a biological child if they so desire, right or wrong. Until you have experienced the devastation of not being able to have any bio- children, I believe it's not your spot to judge. Just because there are alot of kid's out there who need good homes, which I'm aware being a foster parent who helps take care of these children, does'nt mean someone should'nt have fertility treatment to have a biological child. Quite frankly not just anyone should adopt, there are differences for some and not for many. These are peoples struggles and hardships and I feel that I would be able to appreciate what the life coaches could offer someone to help them through this life situation that million's of people face everyday!
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chaines 86 desperate attention whore postings
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10-24-05, 06:07 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: One topic I will not watch" |
If you go to "Ravenges of Childbirth" on an earlier thread, you can find a post that was added by a woman that seems to know a lot about adoption........IMO many of the posters on these boards take things very personally, even when things are not directed at them. As for Ally not having a child, she should have thought about that before she got cancer, she was 36 when she became ill and that's getting up there to start thinking about having a child. Women can't have it all!!!!!!The more we buy into this idea that we can do it all, career and motherhood and great marriage and do it all with ease and grace the more disappointed and disheartened we become. Life is about choices and there are always pros and cons to each and every choice we make..
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L_11 198 desperate attention whore postings
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10-24-05, 06:43 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: One topic I will not watch" |
One
>person's bad hair day can
>be just as legitimate a
>pain to them as any
>of my own experiences are
>to me.
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>There is no issue that would
>make me stop watching. If
>a woman is seeking help
>because she is in pain,
>her pain is legitimate no
>matter what the cause and
>she deserves a chance to
>recover. (IMO)
>This is a really difficult post to argue with, but on the whole, I think I do. (sorry to keep harping on Lisa), but I offer you Lisa and Christina. Christina, who like the girls in your post, has already lived a lifetime by age 20; Lisa, who at age 40, comes on a TV reality show to "grow up". And so far, even that doesn't seem to be working. Is one woman's problem "more stupid" than the other? For me, Dev, yeah. I gotta say yeah. I further offer that if the entire show were about the Lisa's of the world, it would be on after Paris and Nicole, and none of us would be watching. Just chewing your post and my own thoughts over, here.
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Cleverone 759 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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10-24-05, 07:11 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: One topic I will not watch" |
>I was looking at the casting
>page at some of the
>topics they have proposed.
>
>I can't waste one ounce of
>energy on infertility. With so
>many children looking for homes,
>I just have no patience
>for spoiled people who have
>to do it the "right"
>way.
>
>My son would not appreciate me
>saying this, but I feel
>blessed to have had a
>disabled child. At least he
>didn't have to sit in
>an orphanage while some self-absorbed
>control freak wastes money on
>fertility treatments and then expects
>everyone to step up and
>help when she has a
>whole litter of premature babies.
>
>
>What issue(s) would make you stop
>watching?
>
>I'm amazed that you would open up such a topic and then be so judgemental towards people who did exactly as you...I'm not bashing, just curious and when asked a simple question to that effect you were offended.
You rec'd your blessing... so why is it wrong for another to do the same...even though your son had disabilities that shouldn't have precluded you from adopting if you felt so strongly. Infertility isn't something one wishes on his worst enemy and if anyone finds themselves in this situation...what's wrong with them trying to have a child of their own...i have no problem with adoption, however, before I judged someone so harshly.. I think I would have adopted a child myself in order to be a true advocate of adoption....and to refer to babies as litters isn't acceptable under any circumstances...not everyone who has twins, triplets , quints, etc. are asking for help with them...most people take what God gives them and make the best of it....and to call people self-absorbed control freaks because they want their own child is a bit sadistic. To the mods....if I've violated the rules ...pleased accept my apology as that wasn't my intent. ....And as for the topics that would make me stop watching...I haven't come across any topic that doesn't offer me an educational opportunity.
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LRoyce 35 desperate attention whore postings
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10-24-05, 07:54 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: One topic I will not watch" |
Wouldn't all of you agree that the topic is in itself not necessarily the problem? Often the obstacle just points to the fact that there is a problem. I recall the woman who wanted to learn to drive - she did well with the driving but wasn't her real problem her total dependency on the emotional support and approval of her Mother? And wasn't she asked to leave without graduating? She did the work that was given to her, that she claimed was her desire to start over, but she couldn't do the work that was needed to really start over. So the topic is just the tip of the iceberg and usually doesn't look anything like the iceberg.
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Chicksterkf 7 desperate attention whore postings
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10-24-05, 07:48 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: One topic I will not watch" |
Wow ... "self-absorbed control freak" ... That's not the tiniest bit judgmental, is it?Excuse me, but how can you fault anyone for wanting to explore any and all options available to them when having a biological child poses challenges? I believe in foster care. I believe in adoption. When my children are older, my husband and I have discussed doing one or the other because we feel we could provide a loving, supportive, nurturing home for a child who needs one. But, having a biological child isn't just about populating your home with children to love. It is about sharing THE most intimate and loving act with your significant other ... the creation of a child. It is about experiencing life from it's very, very, very beginning. It is about FEELING that process WITHIN your body. It is about MARVELING at your body's design and then marveling at the child as he or she grows ... knowing that he/she once called your body home. It is about sharing tat story with the child when he/she asks about it. It is about seeing yourself and your forebears in a new generation. What is self-absorbed or controlling about wanting to participate in that miracle?? Infertility is a difficult, difficult thing ...
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jelnova 30 desperate attention whore postings
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10-24-05, 08:12 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: One topic I will not watch" |
sorry, I might have used milder language, but in general I agree that infertility is something I'd fast forward through.
There's a woman in my church who holds herself up as some kind of madonna because she's a stay at home mom, and she had a kid in-vitro. (which is not "natural" imo). I'm sick of her acting like she's better than all the working mothers. But what really twists a knife in my heart when I see her putting on her act is that if my husband and I ever had to give up a child, it wouldn't be good enough for her. Oh, no, she had to have a baby with her genes, like she's some kind of Mother Teresa/Einstein combo that must be procreated.
You're all entitled to your own opinions, as am I, but when someone spends an African village's lifetime income on in-vitro instead of adopting a mixed race baby or a toddler, I don't consider them role models.
As the bumper sticker says "Aren't 6 billion miracles enough?"
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LRoyce 35 desperate attention whore postings
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10-24-05, 09:31 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: One topic I will not watch" |
CHICKSTERKF: How beautifully you expressed it. But there are some people who will never feel any sympathy unless or until they have a similar experience. So I guess we have to leave them to their own learning.
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Busybee 53 desperate attention whore postings
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10-24-05, 09:19 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: One topic I will not watch" |
>I can't waste one ounce of
>energy on infertility. With so
>many children looking for homes,
>I just have no patience
>for spoiled people who have
>to do it the "right"
>way. I completely disagree with that and take major offense!!!!. I usually like your posts but that was way out of line. It is every person's right to use their time and money on what they want. It is does NOT mean they are or "spoiled" or "impatient" that they want to concieve their own biological child. It's none of your business how I deciced to have my OWN child. IF YOUR MOTHER HAD DEDCIDED TO ADOPT, YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE!!!! So are you saying your own mother is spoiled or impatient? I am also infertile and I am going to do everything I can to have my own baby, and if that doesn't work, I will consider adoption. HOWEVER, the cost of adoption means that it is not available to everyone. There are also rigid qualifications for adoption, that I may not meet. If you have never been infertile, you have no idea how it feels and you cannot judge a person for wanting to have their own baby. That was God's original plan and it hasn't changed. I myself would love the SO house to deal with this issue, and there are many others like me out there. For the moderators, it was not my intention to offend anyone. By this person saying that "people like that" are selfish, I take offense because I am one of those "people." We should all feel safe to come to this board, without ppl calling us selfish.
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