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"More cast photos from SFever"
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1. "RE: More cast photos from SFever" |
Some observations: They are not told at the start that they are being segregated by gender, since they row off in mixed-gender boats of three. Rory is not seen interacting with the men in any of the camp shots. Even the solo shot of him doesn't look like it's taken at the campsite. Lisa and Dolly smiling and laughing -- makings of a "Christian" alliance? Cap 26 -- John K and Brook pointing accusatory fingers at someone? It looks like there could be an argument going on -- Brady looks vaguely pissed and Chad looks uncomfortable. 
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08-28-04, 11:34 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: More cast photos from SFever" |
Do the camp surroundings/backrounds look alike? Maybe their
next to each other this time.
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08-27-04, 04:37 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: More cast photos from SFever" |
Thanks for bringing these vidcaps over, BR, and you are correct. I think that in episode one the immunity and reward challenges are one combined challenge.Now, I've got some pure speculation from these pics:
1. Looks as though there are more than a few alpha male types on this tribe....that's a given, but who will be vying for the lead alpha among them? Judging just by these pics, I'll bet that the FBI agent, David (Brady) Finta, emerges as the leader....it looks as though the young John K is vying for the position pretty forcefully too. I'll predict he's a bit too vocal at first and may get on everyone else's nerves pretty quickly.
2. It looks as though the alpha drill sargeant, Lea, is keeping his mouth, for the time being anyway!
3. Yes, I'd say Rory looks as though he is laying low.
4. The workers seem to be John P., Lea, Brook, John K., Chris and Chad.
5.Has anyone else noticed that they all seem to look alike this go round....John P, David Brady Finta, and John K. all sort of look alike as does Travis, Chris and Lea...maybe it's just me.
6.Notice in Clips 5 and 6, when there are natives in the background for both, I'm assuming that this takes place in the beginning at the same spot/time. Notice that the men are grouped together and they are all seated off of the ground, while the women, who are also seated together are all on the ground...the men are higher than the women, above them, superior too....must be some ANCIENT custum related to Vanuatu. This will create animosity toward the men from most of the alpha females here, and should bond them together into a more cohesive group/tribe.
7.Dolly is in quite a few clips, hmmmmm?
8. Leanne Needles seems to be holding back from the group.
9. Lisa Keifer appears quite shallow from her stances and poses...remember this is all an opinion from just these few clips, and btw, they sure look like fake boobs to me!
10. Does anyone else think that Twila looks like Loretta Lynn?
She does'nt look like she has much in common with any of the others.....too bad Travis is'nt on her team. Just pure speculation.... 
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08-27-04, 08:15 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: More cast photos from SFever" |
These shots seem to be in chronological order. First arrive, then split into camps, then build homes. But, the last four shots we see the men seriously discussing stuff. there are no comperable shots of the women.
Classic survivor editing highlights strategy during the period after the IC and before TC. The winning tribe is usually just ignored in their celebrations, and hte audience watches the losing tribe bicker and scramble. Not one of the men is smiling in these last shots. In fact, they seem slightly irritated. I think these final four shots correspond to the final 15 minutes of the episode. Men lose ep. 1. MM
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08-28-04, 01:43 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: More cast photos from SFever" |
Matty, from the challenge vidcaps, here's one
where it shows they get some dirty. Granted it's only mud, but mud still stains. Cap 33 may be post competition. Compare the brightness of the yellow buff with cap 17. 
I'm pretty sure they've jumbled the bag. See cap 34 with Lisa & Scout building camp. 
Cap 20. doing same thing. 
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08-28-04, 02:15 AM (EST)
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19. "RE: More cast photos from SFever" |
I think you have two good points, cap'n. First, that the stills are jumbled, as pointed out by the double Scout shots. Second, that some of the shots may be taken POST CHALLENGE, because of the mud. I think this is really interesting and I want to look further into it, but not right now. Still I think I have a point, These shots are stills from the to-be-aired episode. Every minute they show on tv is chosen for a reason, especially in the first episode. The clips we've seen have all been intergral to the 'plot': there's the arrival, the division into tribes, the building of shelter and the challenge. We've seen very few scenes around camp where they're not being productive. For the women, we see Lisa and the Shepardess hugging, and I think we've also seen a couple of shots of Eliza laughing or something. It's as if they're portraying the tribe as harmonious. But for the men, we get these shots of them debating something. What would they be debating? It's the first episode, they'd only show it to us if it has a direct impact upon the raw dynamics of the show. Perhaps they're discussing the shelter, but they're not holding or doing anything in these last pics. From the expressions and body language, they seem to be talking about something slightly unpleasant, quite possibly the boot. Also, notice how there's a variety to these 'debate' shots around the men's camp. They are photos of a few different discussions between different parties. This variety would correspond to the montage style in which they present these pre-TC boot discussions. I'm first to admit it's speculation, but I always look for editing that highlights bickering. It's a big red flag that a tribe's going to council. MM
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09-02-04, 02:04 AM (EST)
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42. "RE: More cast photos from SFever" |
>But for the men, we get these shots of them debating something. What would they be debating? It's the first episode,
>they'd only show it to us if it has a direct impact upon the raw dynamics of the show. Perhaps they're discussing the shelter, but they're not holding or doing anything in these last pics. From the expressions and body language, they seem to be
>talking about something slightly unpleasant, quite possibly the boot.
>Also, notice how there's a variety to these 'debate' shots around the men's camp. They are photos of a few different
>discussions between different parties. This variety would correspond to the montage style in which they present these pre-TC boot discussions.
>It's a big red flag that a tribe's going to council.
MM, you might have something here. Think I found some evidence to support your theory.Here's a pic BR posted in another thread 8/19. This from a different angle showing the II. Notice the clothes Brady and Travis are wearing.
 Brady, red shirt. Travis, 'Bob Barker' shirt and red pants.
This pic pre-challenge
All assembled for the challenge
 Now, look at some pics I think are post challenge. Notice the change of clothes and the stubble. Travis, no shirt and change of pants. JohnK also has changed his pants (blue striped).
 This one has the body language of some heavy discussion going on. I would like to think this pic is post challenge. JohnK's pants fit, but Brady is wearing the challenge light blue pants. Anyone see how this all fits?
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MattyMax 515 desperate attention whore postings
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09-02-04, 05:31 PM (EST)
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46. "RE: More cast photos from SFever" |
Yeah, I see what you're talking about. It makes sense because after that challenge they would be dirty... Brady and Peg-Leg also have some light stubble, even a little on pretty boy's chin. The body language of the guys really struck me in this shot:
None of them are smiling
Brady looks pissed and suspicious.
Chad looks like his thoughts have gotten to him for a moment. what would have gotten to him so on the first 2 days? It's not like he's formed secret alliances or needs to avoid being pagonged... the game just started. What would be a huge stress? voting out the first member of your tribe (and needing a five person majority, to boot) This shot too:
The way John K. is holding his arm is a sign of nervousness.
Chris' arms are on his side, like 'we have to make a decision.'
and Travis' shoulders are back, as if he's on the defense... Just the mood of these shots is sombre. Here's the last one of JohnP and Lea.
Look how dirty Lea's shorts are. The white is now brown. These are the shorts he wears to the challenge, as you can see in this shot: 
So from the dirty clothing I'm pretty sure that this is post-challenge... and if we see them at all post-challenge then it's probably because we're seeing them discuss the boot.. MM BTW, I know I'm all over this thread about this theory and that I think that the tiki in the camp is the idol... but I"m beginning to think that it's not. Not because it doesn't look like it, cuz it does, but because how the two guys are so clean-shaven... maybe I was more right on this first track... pissy men = bitter losers
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08-28-04, 05:04 AM (EST)
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20. "Immunity Idol? OR Decoy Tiki?" |
I think I need some professional opinions.But light plays weird tricks on pics. (huh huh - tricks on pics - huh huh) Anyways, I was sitting here noticing some similarities of the II, in this shot...
 to the Tiki, seen in between Brady and JohnK, in this shot...
 I see some white around the eyes, on the II. It also looks a little smaller than the tiki between Brady and JohnK.
Okay so ... I'm pretty much close to deciding it's a fake. Then was interrupted by a nosy nobody over my shoulder saying this was just the II, but in a different light.
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08-28-04, 07:17 AM (EST)
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21. "RE: Immunity Idol? OR Decoy Tiki?" |
LAST EDITED ON 08-28-04 AT 08:07 AM (EST)Wow, Tribe, what a catch if it is....and I could see how you came to that conclusion as well. I think it just could be the II! If it's not the II, then what is it? It's definately some carving of some kind.....could the natives have left it for them from their arrival celebration? I think it's a very rational deduction! Your observation skills are awesome! I wonder if anyone could blow it up for us to have a closer look.
Also wandering whose arm is down to the left and where is this....most be at the boys camp...
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08-28-04, 10:26 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: Immunity Idol? OR Decoy Tiki?" |
Ditto Flower,Wow, Tribe!! I think that's the Idol! What else would be carved in such detail around the boys' camp! That totally looks like a big idol! and since it's on a stick this season, it would make sense leaned against a tree at that level! Jeez, forget my previous speculation on this thread, this is good spoiling! Boys rule! MM
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09-01-04, 11:44 PM (EST)
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41. "RE: Immunity Idol? OR Decoy Tiki?" |
Pepe, you know you're my favorite, but I really have to disagree with all y'all on this one. I could get into the discussion about how I think the tiki is the II face down, but my better argument is much simpler: A decoy tiki?!?!?! WTF is a Decoy Tiki?! Neither of the tribes are shown with ANYTHING except the clothes on their backs and a machete. There are no other shots of anything resembling an idol, or anything of that kind. I've looked. If anyone can find another shot of a decoy tiki, speak up! It just seems ridiculous that they would be given anything of the sort, even if it would be difficult to use for survival purposes. This is an Occam's Razor situation. If you have to make outlandish conjectures to explain that it's not the Idol, then that's probably wrong. The most simple explanation is that it is the Idol, and we haven't had a 360 degree look at it. Seriously, in the boy's camp there's a tiki on a pole. The immunity idol is a tiki on a pole. Don't think too hard... MM
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08-28-04, 07:45 PM (EST)
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23. "A few thoughts" |
I haven't completely digested this whole thing yet, but here are a few thoughts.Cap 2 & 3: Do you remember another initial Survivor episode where the Survivors are not left to fend for themselves from the get go? In these two caps, the natives are rowing them in. We're going to miss all those fun comments. Remember Marquesas and Cleopatra and the reaction she got? Cap 5 & 6: I'm assuming these 2 two caps are at the very beginning of the episode when the tribes are formed and they haven't had time to change. Notice the colours the men have chosen for the initial first impression. Lots of A's there. Rory, hmm, flying under the radar? What are the women wearing? Trying to impersonate A's from the left... Mia, Dolly, Lisa, Twila, Leann. Look at the lime skirt Ami is wearing. Who is she communicating to? Her game is to play up to the guys, unfortunately she's on the wrong tribe... for now. Cap 35: Brady selling, John K buying. See also 19 & 4. Good body language in 4. They're on the same team and they've had time to talk. Cap 30: Dolly selling, Julie... no sale. Just an impression but I doubt Tennesse Travis will see it coming when his turn comes.
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08-29-04, 08:01 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: A few thoughts" |
LAST EDITED ON 08-29-04 AT 08:05 PM (EST)Well let me be the first to welcome you back, Magic! As for what KO had to say regarding the II at the boys camp, I don't know. After reviewing all of the pics you posted for us to compare with, I think I'm more convinced that it is indeed the II. It does look like it's on a staff leaning on the side. And, I agree there is no white markings that appear to be on it, but I think it could still be possible that it is the side or rear view that we are seeing. Brady could be concealing the whiter arms of the idol. In addition, just lower to the carvings, there appears to be the same solid area as is on the II, the torso area, noted in all of the collective pictures. I don't know, all of these pics make me think that it is more likely to be the II. Edited to add that it's the II or a tiki torch left over from the celebration with the natives.
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09-03-04, 11:43 PM (EST)
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47. "Another idea" |
No one has brought it up yet, so I want to throw this idea out there...Could this second idol represent the power over the women's tribe the men are said to have? It sounds crazy, but since this "power" thing is a new twist, maybe MB needed something to symbolize the responsibilties of what the men were doing.
Maybe JP just wanted another big stick to play with,too...lol. 
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