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"Speculation that Rob Wins"
ulalame 778 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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05-07-04, 01:01 AM (EST)
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"Speculation that Rob Wins" |
In follow up to Shake's thread speculating that Rob has been edited to either come in first or third, linked here, I postulate that we are being set up for a Rob win. Rob has been in control of the game for ages, and a cocky winner has won before (see porn star Brian from S5). All the early quotes lead this way, and the scornful visages of the jury members will only make it that much more exciting to the audience when he wins. Jeffy's comment tonight that the winner of the car has never won the game signaled to me that a change is afoot. Why would he have highlighted that fact, if only to imply that a change from the trend is coming? One could argue that now that Amber also won a car by default, if she wins, the streak will be broken, but that's a weak argument. [P>I think what really got me tonight is that we all surmised that Amber would win reward, and Rupert immunity, when Rob won both. Clearly, if they'd had the chance, Rupert, Tom and Jenna would have taken out Rob. How could we have overlooked the idea that if Rob hadn't won this immunity, he'd be toast? It seems to me that the misdirection is trying to lead us away from the obvious, that Rob wins. He's being edited like Brian in S5, where it was all out in the open. I think he takes Amber to the finals, just as he did in the car challenge, which was arguably a dumb thing to do given that game logic dictates that at this point in the game, one typically does not leave their non-alliance buddies alone to scheme against one, but he did, further demonstrating his mastery of the game, leading to a Rob win. It's as plain as the nose on our collective faces. We're looking for the hidden signs, but it's been here all along. Hmmmmmmmmmm.
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Get Bent 293 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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05-07-04, 02:57 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: Speculation that Rob Wins" |
They showed us Jiffy's comment (and Rob's thoughts on it) for a reason. It can obviously go two ways. a. The curse continues. One scenario: Rob is voted out and Rob mentions the curse just after he is voted out - "darn car curse!" Therefore a setup would be needed for the Average Viewer to understand why he would say that. b. Or as is mentioned above, it is being set up by the editing to have the curse broken.
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sirius 9 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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05-07-04, 07:43 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Speculation that Rob Wins" |
Get a load of Lex and Shii Ann last night. Did not agree with the way voting was done. Jenna and Rupert really messed up not ridding themselves of Amber last nigh. THEY HAD CONTROL AND THERE WAS NOTHING ROB COULD HAVE DONE. I cannot see either winning unless they are Final 2.
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mmm_link 426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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05-07-04, 09:19 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: Speculation that Rob Wins" |
I don't know, it may have been the editing but I was glad to see Tom leave, especially on a unanimous vote. Goes to show Rupert/Jenna are still loyal to the Robfella.
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-07-04, 10:34 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: Speculation that Rob Wins" |
I hope Rob wins too. And I will be very disappointed if anyone but him does win. This season has been all about Rob's control of the game. He is so sure of himself that he takes Amber on the date and doesn't even consider the others are left back at camp to conspire against them. It really bothered me that we never got to see what they did talk about at camp while Rob and Amber were away. But that just shows how sure Rob is about his control of the game. I love it.
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emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-07-04, 09:57 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Speculation that Rob Wins" |
Oh you know I'm disagreeing with you allI thought the editing of Romber last nite was ULTRA negative. They looked like two spoiled brats that think they have the smelly money locked up Amber: "It will change OUR lives." Now I know this could mean that she was talking about how the money would change either one of their lives if either of them win, but I stopped again and had to yell at the tv last nite. DQ DQ DQ I know I know, it wasnt a "conspiracy" but I think they EPMB is setting them up so Romber only gets to SMELL the money and not spend it. Jenna received no negative editing last nite. Tom called her a motor mouth but she was the "smart one" and can change things up. Why change the way Jenna is edited they could have kept her as a loud mouth know it all but you hardly saw her last nite, like when she was switched over to Chapera.
I think this means she wins. And did you see the jury's faces, no one is voting for Romber. And we know TOM is not so... I think Jenna holds out for her little ones and takes Rob to the finals with her Jury Vote: Amber: Rob Rupert: Jenna Tom: Jenna Shii: 50/50 but prob Rob ALicia: JEnna Kathy: JEnna Lex: Jenna And if Amber cuts out Rob Rob: Amber Rupert: Jenna Tom: Jenna Shii: Amber (but not so sure from her looks last nite) Alicia: Prob Amber from her look at Jenna as she passed her last nite Kathy: Jenna Lex: Jenna The only way Romber wins is if they go F2 together which I dont think happens from editing last nite. emydi
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-07-04, 10:51 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: Speculation that Rob Wins" |
I thought the editing of Romber last nite was ULTRA negative. They looked like two spoiled brats that think they have the smelly money locked up.Why change the way Jenna is edited they could have kept her as a loud mouth know it all but you hardly saw her last nite, like when she was switched over to Chapera. emydi, I agree. I was also very curious to see how Jenna would be edited last night -- none of the negativity from last week was there. And we weren't shown anyone making fun of her either, as the press release said.
Apropos of Shakes' theory, with which I concurred last week: as soon as Amber started talking about planning Romber's first date, I thought, Uh-oh. Of course it's possible that she's saying things to the effect that she would still take Rob out of the game and we are not being made privy to it. But... If Amber and Rob never turn on each other, MB would still want to create suspense about their relationship, imo. What else *could* he do to make it interesting? Yes the editing up until yesterday had been ominously hinting that Amber *might* be willing to backstab Rob, but methinks they're kind of stuck with each other now that they both won the cars. So, since I firmly believe Romber is NOT the F2, I'm now inclined to think that Jenna must win the F3 immunity. I don't think she'll take Rob to F2 though, I think she will take Amber. Despite the sense that everyone dislikes Rob, remember -- Rob "cast a spell" over his tribe during the game. I'd be worried that he would be very very effective at the final TC in convincing people that he deserved the money: dominating in the challenges, leading his tribe to victory so many times. What has Jenna really done to counteract that? On the other hand, I don't really see Amber making an effective case for herself in F2 *unless* she wins the final immunity and eliminates Rob, and even then it's iffy. I don't think anyone believed what Shii Ann said about Amber last week, so I don't think Jenna would be too worried about Amber being in the Final 2 with her.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-07-04, 11:33 AM (EST)
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17. "RE: Speculation that Rob Wins" |
In an Amber/Jenna F2, it might make a difference who won the final immunity, as I said. And these idjuts are always unpredictable anyway. But, my best guesses:I think Rob would vote for Amber no matter what (so he can spend her million). I think Lex, Kathy and Tom would wind up voting for Jenna no matter what. Rupert I *think* would vote for Jenna in either case, but it does depend on how he gets taken out. If he *really* believes Jenna backstabbed him it could be an issue. I don't know if it's enough of an issue to make him vote for Amber though. Alicia, the dimwit -- who knows what she'll do? From her post-boot interviews she seems to hate everyone. Shii Ann I think would definitely vote for Amber if Amber wins final immunity and boots Rob. Otherwise her vote could go either way, depending on what Jenna and Amber say to the jury. I'll give Amber a slight edge.
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DoodleBug 5133 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-07-04, 11:25 AM (EST)
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16. "RE: Speculation that Rob Wins" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-07-04 AT 11:30 AM (EST)I totally agree with you, BR. I think Amber and Rob are stuck together like glue. They were talking as a team (during confessionals and together), not as individuals last night. I don't think either of them will turn on the other. From the preview last night, it looks like they will have the maze challenge first which will eliminate Rupert. The final challenge will most likely be endurance in front of the jury like in Amazon (hopefully it's not a question/answer session about the jury members - but it could be). I think Jenna could easily win that. Jenna and Amber are tighter than Jenna and Rob. I think the Robfather will be eliminated at three with Amber going on to win against Jenna. Edited to add Jury vote speculation: Rob - Amber Rupert - Jenna or Amber - will he stick with his alliance? Tom - Amber Shii Ann - Amber Alicia - Amber or Jenna? - this one is hard to read and probably the deciding vote Kathy - Jenna Lex - Jenna Snazzy new sigpic by Slice
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emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-07-04, 11:50 AM (EST)
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19. "RE: Speculation that Rob Wins" |
Thx DB and BRMy thought is Rupert is sticking with Jenna. He's loyal and he WAS pissed off about the cars (see Marko's insider) and he will give it to the gal with the babies not a 20 something single hot dog eating car winning #####. Can you tell i dont like AMber??? Aside: Hey does anyone know when Amber would be leaving to go to NY. Do you think she's there already? I have a flight tomorrow am out of Pgh Int'L not to NY but I'll keep my eyes out for her!!!!! I dont think Tom will vote for Romber. He's no rocket scientist but right then on day 36 (he votes on day 39) he wouldnt Piss on them if they were on fire so..... (see Insider) I know he stopped and looked at ROB but Rob and AMber are ROMBER so NO VOTE FOR YOU, amber. ALicia I think will be voting Jenna. I go back to the interview when she said she couldnt be happier about her vote now. I think she has seen Romber and now is glad that she didnt vote for either one of them. But I agree BR I have really no idea-maybe she votes for herself. emydi
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-07-04, 11:58 AM (EST)
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20. "RE: Speculation that Rob Wins" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-07-04 AT 12:16 PM (EST)I have a feeling Alicia would vote for Jenna too. Amber is probably going to suffer from her tether to Rob. Doodlebug, I'm not sure why you think Tom would vote for Amber and not Jenna. He said last night that he'd been backstabbed not just by Rob but by Amber too (remembering their conversation on the beach no doubt when Amber told him he couldn't be the swing vote). Jenna was an annoyance but Tom had no relationship with her. And Tom's vote for Jenna should presumably neutralize Jenna's vote for him last night, in Tom's mind. ETA: I keep remembering Rupert's comment before the final TC of S7 that "we're going to make one of these two mommies very happy." I think Jenna being a single parent would be a factor, however subtle, in his mind when voting. After all Amber has her romance with Rob to keep her happy. (And please don't tell me that people should not vote based on this or that because that is not what the game is about -- the fact of the matter is they vote on whatever basis they damn well please. )
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CRyanShort 42 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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05-07-04, 11:37 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: Speculation that Rob Wins" |
The thing that keeps running through my mind is how everyone voted off so far has really hyped up the evils of Rob and, in the same breath, talked about how Tribal Council is going to be the most dramatic ever, that they are going to get to really say what they feel, etc. Would they all be saying these things if Rob was not in the F2? Would the jury members feel so angry at Jenna or Amber to fling such fury at the Final Tribal Council? It makes me feel that Rob must at least be in the F2, most likely from winning the last IC, and he takes Amber. I think we might all just be getting so paranoid about alternatives and what ifs that we may be neglecting the most obvious result of them all, the one spectulated about for a majority of the season, a Romber F2.
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RyrieRae 416 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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05-07-04, 12:45 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: Speculation that Rob Wins" |
I believe it is obvious that Rob is in the F2. The editing wants us to believe Amber is with him in the F2, but they are showing us this to give us a shock. No, I don't believe Rob and Amber break themselves apart, but instead someone else will, namely Jenna. She will win Final Immunity and take Rob, knowing that everyone hates Rob. They edited her last night as less negative to set her up for her Final 2 spot and make us think that she will win, when the in the end, Rob will, like we've known all along.
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Oscirus 1596 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall"
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05-07-04, 12:22 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: Speculation that Rob Wins" |
I think that they have shown us thow the final four will last due to editiong 1st Rob- Being shown too many reasons why it couldn't possibly be him 2nd Jenna- Negative editing that they have no need to put in there 3rd Amber- SHiianns comments about Amber being the mastermind screams out third place 4thRupert-by default no other place to put himI think the jury will go like this Lex-Rob(he has said if theres a player who has been utr the whole game he would give rob the vote even though it would kill him and from what he's seen of Jenna she's defiantely been utr) Kathy-Rob(her "Anybody but Jenna" comments back in the episode when she got booted come to mind) Alicia-Rob(Her comments about how stragetic rob was seems to be her justifying the vote) Shiiann-Rob( she hates Jenna) Tom-Hard to tell leaning towards Jenna though Rupert-Rob(Jenna betrayed him and she annoys him to boot) Amber-Rob( Obvious reasons) The jury might make rob sweat for it but I believe that Rob will win it BIG.
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steppingrazor42 283 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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05-07-04, 07:06 PM (EST)
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28. "Specualtion about the jury" |
I just don't understand why a jury that has been bashing Rob in EVERY interview would really be hiding his win? Wouldn't they be building him up to be a great mastermind to heal their broken egos? It seems so backwards. I mean if Rob is the winner their own bashing just enforces what idiots they are. I just don't get it? Will crowning Rob the winner make them feel better about being so fooled...to beat by the winner is alot easier than to be beat by someone like Jenna...right? Someone please tell me you understand what I'm trying to say...
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Loquatrix 640 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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05-07-04, 07:57 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: Specualtion about the jury" |
I definitely do understand what you're saying, razor. I think it can also be viewed from the opposite angle, though:In order to heal their broken egos at having been knocked out of the game, yes -- you'd think the jury members would "talk up" how great the person is who orchestrated their demise. However, it seems to me that the booted players have been completely focused on the "breaking of friendships" and the "breaching of trust" rather than on the unemotional gameplay side of things. They've been so busy harping on how they feel mistreated on a personal level that the have not even had time to stop and think that talking up Rob's actual GAMEPLAY would make themselves look less idiotic for falling to his sword. I've been really unimpressed with stupid Lex sitting there glowering on the jury every night and trying to look menacing with his "I am fourteen" Mohican (as we call that hairstyle where I'm from). And that sulky teenager attitude definitely persisted through his post-boot publicity rounds. You'd think that someone of his relative intelligence would realize, as you say, that complimenting the gameplay of the person who took him out would be to say, "Hey, at least I was beaten by a real champion." But these people are playing with emotion rather than rationality. Clearly, the fact that they all know each other has had a major impact -- and not a good one, IMO. Jeff would appear to concur, since he has said he'd be reluctant to do another "All-Stars" type of game. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone on both sides of the TV screen that the contestants knowing each other doesn't make for good gameplay either before or after people are booted. So many of them are focused on the wrong things, and that's why the booted players are unable to see that speaking well of the person responsible for their demise would, by extension, actually make them look like better players. Stupid, stupid people, as Shii Ann would say.
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steppingrazor42 283 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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05-07-04, 08:05 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: Specualtion about the jury" |
Thank you for responding my post, but man it makes me so frustrated to think that the supposed "All-Stars" would act like that. They really are A*S*S's if they can't see how backwards they're being. If Rob wins, these people don't know the meaning of stepping up. Thanks for letting me vent...as Sunday gets closer my bewilderment grows with the jury's behavior so far.
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dav8515 21 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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05-07-04, 08:57 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: Specualtion about the jury" |
Amber def comes in sec bc the keep saying she can smell the money, bc she is sooo close which def make me think rob will win
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