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"Rich didn’t betray Rudy"
lswote 63 desperate attention whore postings
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08-24-00, 11:28 PM (EST)
 
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"Rich didn’t betray Rudy" |
Rich has been accused by some of betraying Rudy by bowing out of the last immunity challenge. But he couldn’t have won that challenge and by bowing out, rather than betraying Rudy he found a way of playing the game that put Rudy’s fate in his own hands and yet gave Rich the possibility of continuing on in the game. Kelly voting Sue off is betrayal, but Rich putting Rudy in a situation where he had a good chance of failing is not the same thing. After all it is a game. When you play poker with friends do you purposely lose just so they can win? Of course not, it is a game and they are responsible for the risks they take. If Rudy really wanted to win this game, all he had to do was keep his hand on the pole and outlast Kelly. If he won that immunity, he would have won the game. The other players knew it and Rudy should have known it. And yet he let go. HE is responsible for his loss, not Rich. Rich was gambling that Rudy would fail the challenge and things would go the way they did. But I believe if the gamble had failed and Rudy had won the immunity challenge and it came down to Rich and Rudy as the final 2, Rudy would have won and Rich would have been a gracious loser. Rich and Rudy agreed not to betray each other, but they never agreed to stop playing the game and purposely lose so the other could win. Rich’s strategy with Rudy was brilliant and one of the most insightful thought processes I have ever seen. Lots of people would have seen the situation before Rich in hindsight, but Rich was savvy enough to see it ahead of time. Rudy wasn’t betrayed and the evidence for that is Rudy himself. He is not the kind of person to have something pulled on him. He knows what Rich did honored the spirit of their agreement and the proof of that is how Rudy is interacting with Rich now. Rudy is genuinely happy for Rich. Kelly and Sue’s relationship might still be strained but you can tell Rich and Rudy honestly like each other. Rudy would never do that with someone that betrayed him. If Rudy can live with the way Rich handled things, so can I.
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em027 8 desperate attention whore postings
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08-24-00, 11:43 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Rich didn’t betray Rudy" |
Couldn't agree more with your post. Though, I think Rich stuck more to the letter than the siprit of the agreement, but that's just semantics.
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biancasequineescort 58 desperate attention whore postings
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08-28-00, 12:50 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Rich didn’t betray Rudy" |
To be honest, Richard's strategy is rather obvious.He sure
had enough time before the challenge to think about it.If
Richard had won the challenge--a very silly challenge for
the last one me thinks--,he would have had no choice but
to vote Rudy off; if this occurs would Rudy still vote for
Richard in the End??!! What would have been possibly as
brilliant, is Kelly quitting first in the final Im Challenge.Both
kelly & Rich knew that the personal dynamics of the preceding
38 days would favour Rudy in a final showdown vote.By quitting
first,she would have forced Richard to "outlast" Rudy.Richard
then would have no choice--if he wanted to win the million--but
to betray Rudy.Sorry.i just repeated myself.
Least favourite castaways:Soozin &Stacy.AGree/Disagree??
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BlueDude 17 desperate attention whore postings
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08-28-00, 03:04 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Rich didn’t betray Rudy" |
Interesting idea, Kelly giving up early, but it would have been too big a risk for her and she never would have done it (if she even thought of such a move). If by some miracle Rudy wins the challenge, you know he selects Rich and she is out. You're right, though, it would have set up a real interesting challenge in the interpersonal dynamics and loyalty arenas. It would have been a real fight to the point of total exhaustion between Rich and Rude-y.I also agree that, with all the internet and water cooler speculation on this last show, NOBODY that I know of thought of the move that Rich made in that final immunity challenge. Brilliant! None of the other 15 ever thought as strategically as he did EVERY DAY. BD
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08-28-00, 03:22 PM (EST)
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4. "Rudy wins regardless" |
Rich's play was the only play - don't forget he was there for over an hour and a half before he took his hand off. Four minute of TV time elapsed, but it If Rudy makes it, Rudy wins. Both Kelly and Richard would HAVE to know that -- though Kelly might not have been as willing to admit it. Rich basically backed Kelly's ability to hold on longer. Two Options that Rudy could have tried were: "Kelly, there's a huge wasp on your hand" or "Pull REAL hard on the totem to tip it over and try to topple Kelly off the stump and have her lose her grip"
which wasn't specifically ruled out as one of the rules.
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08-28-00, 03:49 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Rudy wins regardless" |
I thought Rich gave up at 2 1/2 hours, so it wasn't like he didn't compete. And I agree with both of the premises of this thread: 1) Rich didn't betray Rudy here. The ONLY way Rich could have won this competition was by annoying Rudy and Kelly so much that they let go first. This competition, with its mind-numbing length, was not suited for Rich's talents, and he tried to put the best face on losing. 2) Rich was thinking strategically all the time. I had posted (with weeks to think about it) that if Sue went first among the TA, Rich was a certainty to make the final two. But Rich also knew that, in REAL TIME. Rich also figured out the jury dynamics and used his remarks to praise Rudy, in case Rudy had any lingering resentment, and Greg, the swing vote. It worked.One thing that I question, though: who says Rudy would beat Rich? Rudy would beat KELLY, but Rich? The ONLY sure Rudy vote was Jenna, because she hated Rich. Susan, Sean, Colleen and Gervase were all more likely to vote for Richard, and Kelly was too. So, even without Space-Boy Greg, I think Rich wins easily.
P.S. I'll bet Rich knew this too, and wanted to help insure that Rudy didn't start thinking about his chances versus each of the other final two.
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