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LAST EDITED ON 04-30-04 AT 11:13 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 04-30-04 AT 11:13 AM (EST) VO: Survivor week kicks off Thursday with an all star shocker
ROB: I instigated Big Tom to fight with Rupert
Rupert (to Rob?): You been talking about getting rid of everybody
VO: It's a mad dash to make the final 4
Jenna: It's insane
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TOM (to Rob) You marked yourself everytime you won
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Rupert: Paranioa will destroy ya
VO: Then on Sunday, it's the reunion show with a surprise so big it'll stun everyone.....We guarantee it
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VO Who will be the Ultimate Survivor?
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3. "RE: Web Preview for Next Week" |
Bebekid....I'm with you. I don't think it has to do with the winner, but more with Rob and Amber. What about those rumors that Amber might be pregnant.....did anyone ever discount those as an April Fool's joke? That definitely would "shock" everyone.....everyone but us!
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04-30-04, 11:34 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Web Preview for Next Week" |
Here's what'll happen:Jiffy does his little thing at the end of the final TC and gets on a Sea-Doo® or some sort of watercraft with the TC urn in hand and heads back to the states. As he's about to make his silly taped entry to the NYC harbor, the urn slips out of his hand and falls into the ocean, losing all the votes. At the finale, all the votes are re-cast live. -OR- the final TC vote takes place live. No one writes anything down and the jury just speaks their mind. This scenario would still go along with Alicia's "I'll never write Rawb's name down", and would fill Snewser's riddle as: I won't be able to spoil the finale. Drat/Dam/Darn Now both of those would be shocking.... and it kinda/sorta follows in the Apprentice on how the final decision was made live (or so we think).
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8. "RE: Web Preview for Next Week" |
i don't know if it has always been there, but today i noticed on cbs webpage which displays all the survivors that below their pics, there is a link to 3 new vehicles...they are labeled as "new survivors"...could 4th, 3rd, and 2nd each receive a vehicle???...maybe that is shocker...just throwing it out
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10. "RE: Web Preview for Next Week" |
The Chevy Equinox....not bad...
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11. "RE: Web Preview for Next Week" |
nice vehicles...but there isn't one this time, there is three...that's what makes me think more than one person gets a vehicle this time
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32. "RE: Web Preview for Next Week" |
I'm betting it's definitly a wedding proposal, the "aahhhhhh" is the all too obvious clue. How cheesie, hopefully it will turn out better than the BB2 proposal!!
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17. "The surprise" |
Hmmmm, curious about the big surprise. I can't imagine it being a proposal, though it would be interesting to see if it has something to do with Rob's earlier comment, "Worst case scenario, I get the girl and we split the money."
I do think it's possible that there could be a real can of worms waiting to be opened depending on how the contract is worded regarding not sharing the millions. If Rob or Amber does win and a marriage is in the works... Well, I guess we'll have to wait and see...I also think it would be quite entertaining if the winner of All-Stars isn't necessarily the person with the most votes from All-Stars, but the person who achieves the average highest placement between their original season and this season. While I realize there could be all sorts of problems with this, (possibility of ties, etc.), it would make for one shocking finale.
My memory stinks, but based on the remaining players, I believe this kind of arrangement would put Tom in a pretty good position, no? EMT
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19. "what about past winners" |
there are numerous possibilities im guessing either it will be that the first 9 voted off all stars get to vote too or the prize is more than a million dollars or something a friend mentioned that the past million dollar winners get to vote for either the winner to get a extra million or has to split the money if the past 7 winners vote for the other finalist. 7 winners just like the 7 jury memebers. this could have been decided after all the past winners got voted off.
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25. "RE: what about past winners" |
The shocker, Rob: "Everyone, before you vote, I want to say that while we were in the Pearl Islands, I knocked up Ambuh, shes 4 1/2 months pregnant! Thank you very much for your support!" Agree that this being All stars, they could raise the prize money, at the live showing to like 5 large. But would that be the suprise gauranteed to "shock" everyone!? Well it is May sweeps, they can turn anything into a shocker! Jeff: "Ladies and gentlemen here is Richard Hatch and his new err husband, they'll also be voting!?"
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55. "RE: The surprise" |
All I know is that this surprise better be darn good to compensate for how boring this season has been. If MB tricks me into watching a sappy, stupid proposal after I've stuck with him through S8, I may just be cured of my Surviver addiction forever.
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20. "Vidcaps" |
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23. "RE: Vidcaps" |
Thanks BR for posting these! Boy, alot of these vidcaps are from old challenges....especially from the combined RC/IC family tapes and letters show.The challenge that may be new here looks as if it is also a very physical, obstacle course/race challenge. In caps 11, 12, 13 we have the survivors racing, left to right are Jenna, Rob, Rupert, Tom and then Amber....and could my eyes be deceiving me, does Jenna appear to actually be in the lead here, albeit probably briefly???!!!! In cap 19, Rob and Amber need to wrap this event up, they are both looking seriously emaciated here and not too happy. What is that in/over Tom's arm/hand in vidcap 20? Caps 22 and 23 are from the family tape/letter combined RC/IC show. I think that they are all oogling the brand new cars that they are about to be playing for in cap 36.
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31. "RE: Combo challenge" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-01-04 AT 11:10 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 05-01-04 AT 06:14 PM (EST) You're right BR but the majority (or possibly all) of the RC is from the family video episode Jeff tells them its a HUUUUUUGE prize
OOOOOOOOH a car
and a truck
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To the first obstacle, an uphill balance beam (oh no Rupert and Tom watch out) 
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to the rope walk (looks like its' Romber here only) 
Then usually this is the end of Survivor obstacle courses. Does Amber win, she looks pretty happy like she just won a car/truck/or possibly IMMUNITY??:
It doesnt look like Rupert wins, he's on the sidelines watching Amber
So, the odds are a woman finally wins a vehicle w/o HAVING to win the whole thing 2/4 chance if Rupe's gone.
There is not another challenge shown in the weekend promos. It's either this is for car/immunity somehow. Maybe several heats, the last heat being with 2 #### (it looks like Romber)
with each of them winning a vehicle and the ultimate winner also winning the Immunity necklace.
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39. "RE: Combo challenge" |
I think Rupert isn't the only on the sidelines. Look at cap 17, then at caps 36,37. Rupert, Jenna and Rob are lined up. Rupert appears to have a pouch hanging from his shoulder in both photos...
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40. "RE: Combo challenge" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-02-04 AT 10:16 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 05-02-04 AT 10:15 AM (EST) I think this is at the beginning when they are told of what they can win. Now for what Rupert could be carrying, I dont know what that could be-- Yeah FP its water flask.
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29. "RE: Vidcaps" |
Not really spoiler material, but wanted to point out how interesting on the fade-ins on 28 had the final 5 plus Kathy. 29 then Lex, Rich, Rob C, Rudy, Jerri, Tina. 30 then has everyone. Is there a little favoritism taking place? I mean, Tina was booted first where Shii Ann was booted last week. Yet Tina comes on before Shii???
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VO: Then on Sunday it's the Season Finale and Live Reunion show with a surprise so big it will stun everyone. We guarantee it.
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43. "RE: MORE Vidcaps from Weekend Promos" |
Well Done, emydi! Looks like you have properly sequenced the challenge...either the reward or a combined RC/IC...I'm leaning towards the RC only.Sure does look like maybe the first 3 to finish the course continue in a second heat...an elimination challenge. I'd say that Jenna, Rob, and Amber may advance. I still have some questions from some of the vidcaps: 1. Is this Jenna seeing what the prize is for the reward, or is this after she wins(choke, cough...*#!)
2. Who else is seen here besides Jenna? Is that Rob next to Jenna, and can anyone else see anyone else?
3. I think that is a water flask over Rupert's shoulder here, and notice the uphill balance beam behind going under the bamboo.
4. Who is climbing up the ladder behind Rob here? Is it Tom, Jenna, or Amber?
5. What is Tom standing in front of here?
6. Where is Rob here? This looks to be a wooden/cabin structure, and I think he looks happy.
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44. "RE: MORE Vidcaps from Weekend Promos" |
Good job FP. We don't see Rupert clearly on the course after the balance beam. We don't see Jenna clearly after the crawl under. We don't see Tom clearly after whatever he's climbing after the crawl under. We see both Amber and Rob on the tower on on the ropes. We only see Amber on the zipline.
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45. "RE: MORE Vidcaps from Weekend Promos" |
babalouie-I think you got it If you're the last to go through one of the obstacles, you're out.When they start out, there's 5 balance beams Rupert is out Then only 4 bamboo crawl unders, Jenna or Tom is out Then only 3 puzzles, Jenna or Tom are out Then Rope Walk 2- Romber Then Zipline ONLY ONE-Amber emydi
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49. "RE: MORE Vidcaps from Weekend Promos" |
I truly don't remember for sure. I thought it was Amber, but I sure could be wrong.
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05-04-04, 12:11 PM (EST)
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74. "RE: emydi's right." |
Evidence? It was Jenna who went for team of Rupert, Kathy, Tom and JennaAnd ROB went for the team of Alicia, Shii Ann, Rob & AMBER only one needed to go down the zipline and it was Rob. emydi
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05-02-04, 09:33 PM (EST)
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60. "RE: MORE Vidcaps from Weekend Promos" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-03-04 AT 04:45 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 05-02-04 AT 09:40 PM (EST) Where is Rupert? ETA He's there, its tough to see. Plus he has his water jug on when he's walking while amber is coming out from under the bamboo. Different HEat I see Jenna then Rob then Tom with his blue buff on his head
Look closely Tom is looking towards us Also there is only ETA-there's more than two rope walks with Rob ahead of Amber, its just Rob and Amber left
But then Rob's foot comes off the rope and his knee goes down on the bottom rope (there's a gif on Sucks Mess Hall)
I think Amber gets ahead at this point and goes on to win it.
FP, you're right, two heats.
Is it Rob or Amber that places first tho. I think its Amber. Go ahead FP disagree with me (like you always do  )
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82. "RE: Here's the motion" |
Maybe he throws the challenge, since he knows Amber is right behind him - falls off on purpose??
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24. "RE: Web Preview for Next Week" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-02-04 AT 00:45 AM (EST)In caps 6 and 7 where is Tom? In cap 14 and 15 is that the knife puzzle table that Tom is approaching? In 36 and 37 we see Rupert, Jenna, and Rob and we hear Amber. Where is Tom? This is not before the challenge we see because Rob doesn't have on his red shorts.  Yeah, It's a JSlice
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53. "RE: Web Preview for Next Week" |
I think it's a combined RC/IC, Amber wins it and the "shocker" is that she shares an overnight reward with Jenna. This would allow Rob to stay behind and secure his alliance with Tom, also ensuring that Rupert and Jenna are split up, because this is when they could move against either Amber or Rob.
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59. "RE: Web Preview for Next Week" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-02-04 AT 07:43 PM (EST)The wall behind Tom....wonder if this is at the IC site? Perhaps it could be a maze challenge, babalouie! Maybe we'll get some more caps to put this together.
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05-02-04, 09:52 PM (EST)
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61. "RE: Web Preview for Next Week" |
I agree FP, they use this alot at the end for immunity, its "gender neutral" Remember S6 Finale Immunity Challenge #1
Challenge: BRAILLE MAZE Location: Challenge Jungle Description: Blindfolded, the Survivors must navigate their way through a giant maze using Braille stations to help collect necklaces. Each necklace represents fire, earth, water and wind. First person to collect all four necklaces and return to the center of the maze wins. Winner Gets: Immunity Winner: Jenna Morasco So Maybe Amber sweeps this week like Big Tom did last week emydi
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LAST EDITED ON 05-03-04 AT 08:05 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 05-03-04 AT 07:43 PM (EST) From the CBS press release here http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/5160.shtml Although Jenna embraces her role as the tribe’s self-appointed cheerleader, the others have fun mocking and mimicking her when she is away from camp. This confirms what came to me today on my way home on the trolley.. Amber wins and gives the other car and a night away to Jenna...hence her amazed,happy, and I think, very grateful, faces:
This also fits in with this picture
When the gals are away the guys will fight (at Rob's instigation) So its the opposite of S7 when the guys were away, but the men wont conspire against the women, Rupert and Tom will conspire against each other But this picture may be after immunity: Last week Rob said in a confessional (thx babalouie) If I don't win immunity next, I don't have any other hope than
to side with Big Tom. So does Rob do this "instigating" just to start #### or does he change his tactics and pulls a JFP (i.e. starting the Lil/Darrah fight at F4) and gets Rupert and Tom to fight to deflect attn away from himself b/c he doesnt win immunity? emydi
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71. "RE: Jenna away from camp" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-04-04 AT 06:36 AM (EST)Wow, e....you've really put it all together this week....I really like the ideas you've mentioned. Could explain Jenna's reaction up there, and why the girls are'nt there. I wonder if they will spend the night away? Things could get uncomfortable around the boys camp...too bad there's no beer, looks as though Tommy is going to need one! One last bonding night! Maybe Jiffy will show up, out of the surf, carrying a tray of Mimosa's! I'm leaning toward a Rupert win for immunity this week....I still think being the biggest challenge threat out there, that Rob has got to feel seriously threatened by him. Just can't see any other way that Rob would NOT target Rupert... Rob is going to pull a "JFP" and stir the pot! The more and more I think about it, Rupert, if he plays his cards right, and wins his challenges, could very well end up in the top 2!.....that's if the purple rock does'nt rear its ugly head, ha! At this point, I'd be happy as long as the brown noser, Jenna does not win!
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77. "Just WHO does win immunity?" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-04-04 AT 05:14 PM (EST)There is a lack of IC vidcaps this week-maybe they will come on TES Thursday a.m. It appears its a maze, or better yet, i'm hoping, a puzzle like S7's word puzzle (my favorite IC of all time-figures it was sent in by a young fan)--from the bamboo divider and Tom's looking like he's listening to directions here:
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Tom doesn't win--puzzle/mazes arent his thing and... Rupert-I'm doubting it because he wouldn't be in such a tizzy (but it could be misdirection) Rob--I think he is not safe this week--he either makes the JFP move of "instigating"
BEFORE IC because he wants to find out which one he can trust/not trust and boot/not boot or after because he has to. I think he doesnt have immunity because of Shii Ann's comments on TES: Caller: When Big Tom won the reward and took Rob with him, how come you didn't along with the people on the island to vote off Rob?
Shii Ann: I did try to make some deals happen with Big Tom and Alicia and even Rupert. And, you know, I actually did get along with some of them. I was quite friendly with Rupert. He was probably my favorite person left in the game. You saw it last night. I did try to shake things up. A lot of people were content with being bottom of the totem pole, 5th or 4th. Shii Ann also slipped and said that the time to get Rob would have been at F7 but they --Alicia, Tom and even Rupert http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/5148.shtml So my feeling is that the contentedness continues and they dont boot an immunityless Rob off again!!! That leaves Jenna and Amber--my bet is on Amber to win puzzle or a maze: It seems that Amber may have thrown the puzzle immunity and let Rob win it in Ep. 11 see Keith Privett's article at Fever: http://www.survivorfever.net/inside_challenges_ep11_ep12.html so it may be an Amber challenge sweep, but remember what happened to Darrah..... emydi
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78. "RE: Just WHO does win immunity?" |
Yes, e, rather than a maze challenge, I'm thinking this is some kind of puzzle, or writing game...knowing the most about your tribemates kind of game. Tom does seem to be listening and then concentrating on working on something at waist level. As far as speculating who wins immunity, clearly it's got to be Rupert. DRivers has him safe this week, and being Rob's biggest uncontrollable factor out there regarding the challenges, he's got to be Romber's biggest target. Therefore, I think Rupert is our winner.....and being a survivor junkie, he just about knows everything and anything regarding Survivor....he could probably even beat Rob C. at this.
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79. "Not so sure about Amber winning RC" |
I know an awful lot of people are indeed sold on Amber winning the RC this week, but I'm not one of them. Rob's momentum on the ropes is just too swift. Sure, he loses his footing momentarily, but continues on with out a pause. If you look at the preview, you can see just how fast his momentum is carrying him, and I think he could scale the rest of the rope challenge with just his upper body, if he had to. So, unless he completely falls off, which he very well might, I do not see Amber overtaking him here, on the ropes. I also have another major question: Where is Rob, here:
I just can't figure this out. It really looks as though it is a cabin like structure, and Rob is looking happy. Could this be from a previous episode?, or is this somewhere Rob goes for the post winning the RC picnic/overnight stay. Could Rob win, could he take Jenna with him? I highly doubt he would take Amber. Or could he take Tom/Rupert? Go ahead, and flame away!
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81. "RE: Not so sure about Amber winning RC" |
FPRob is my second choice, but I cant explain how else Jenna gets "away from camp" Rob would take Rupert to split up Jupert. Amber takes Jenna. It could be that you have to dig for a key to the vehicles. The truck IS there in the previews and it APPEARS there's a white sedan. Maybe its like TPIR or Hlwd 2d where you have to have the "right" key to start the vehicle and Amber happens to have it. I seem to remember this "wall" many times, I dont have time to look in SFever right now, maybe later FP (you know some of us SHHHHHH work!!!) emydi
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gina25 8 desperate attention whore postings
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05-06-04, 08:19 AM (EST)
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86. "RE: Not so sure about Amber winning RC" |
I really think those are rocks (cliffs) behind Rob, not a cabin.
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05-06-04, 09:05 AM (EST)
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87. "Rob beats Amber on the ropes" |
I just reviewed the tight rope walking from the episode where Kathy is voted off, the previous obstacle course challenge. I am now convinced that Rob will beat Amber at the tight rope walk. Firstly, when he misses a step and quickly recovers, he is already, IMO, at least 1/3 of the way across. The momentum that follows carries him to at least the half way point. The distance across the ropes is not a great distance at all....and they are likely to use the same apparatus for this new rope walk challenge as they did for the previous obstacle course. Amber has'nt even stepped foot on the ropes when Rob is already 1/2 way across it. I know it is raining during this new episode challenge, so it is feasible that perhaps Rob falls off in the latter half of the rope walk. I can tell you that the rope height WAS considerable in the first obstacle course challenge. It was so high, that IF Rob indeed falls off, I suspect he could get hurt(but will he break a bone?).After the rope part, in the first obstacle course, they had to climb down the ladders, retrieve a buried flag, then one would do the flying fox, and retrieve a key, run back with the key, and open the doors to allow the diggers to run across the finish line. So, perhaps in this reward challenge, the survivors will have to climb down the ladder, after completing the rope walk, and dig to find a key to unlock their own doors, then maybe climb back up the ladder to do the flying fox and win? I am deducing that Rob will beat Amber in the rope walk part, but the question remains, will she cross that finish line first?
Just more speculation!
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bris 143 desperate attention whore postings
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05-06-04, 04:48 PM (EST)
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90. "RE: Rob beats Amber on the ropes" |
I can agree that it is logical Rob wins. But i think he falls off and there is a net at teh bottom to catch them. But if Rob wins how does Jenna go on the reward with him. Jenna is away from Camp and everyone makes fun of her. No way is ROb taking Jenna, NO WAY and were is the time to have Rob instigate the Rupert Tom fight its not right before the trible Council because its a big topic because its the title of teh show so its the middle having Amber and Jenna on the reward. but it is between Rob and Amber but i an going to go with AMber because Rob is far enough ahead of Amber on the rope that he would finish before she goes on the FOX becaus she goes across real slow. Its just me but Jenna is not a camp and the only possibility of her going on the reward is if Amber wins.
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05-06-04, 03:37 PM (EST)
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89. "RE: Web Preview for Next Week" |
I usually don't post on the Survivor board, I just lurk in amazement at the minds at work.What I think the big surprise is: They have the final tribal counsel as usual with the questions and replies then the voting. The votes are cast and taken off by Jeffy. They cut to the live show and reveal that the other All Stars were kept in the Pearl Islands and have been watching the TCs.They let the other All stars (who weren't on the jury) cast their votes before they left the islands and the winner will be determined by all 16 A$$ not just the jury. Just MHO. 
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