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cowboyroo 590 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 04-08-04, 09:57 PM (EST) "Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" LAST EDITED ON 04-08-04 AT 10:31 PM (EST) In the previews for next week's episode, we see Kathy encouraging Tom and Rupert to vote off Jenna. Kathy is a SMART woman. I would bet money that she knows that no matter what she does, she is not going to win this game. She knows that Amber/Rob are joined at the hip. She knows that Rupert and Jenna are together; and knows that Tom makes up the other 5th of their final five pact. If she can't win the game, why not pay revenge to Amber/Rob for stabbing her in the back, by establishing the person she wants to win as the perfect Final 2 candidate. By stating so boldly that she doesn't want Jenna to win, this could motivate (1) Tom to ally with Rupert/Jenna instead of Rob/Amber and (2) whoever makes it to Final 3 to opt to take Jenna to final 2...possibly even Rob if he thinks he can beat her. We've seen Jenna be the only person to want to have a feast together instead of have a challenge when Sue left. We've seen Jenna be kind when pillaging Mogo-Mogo. It seems to be known that Alicia is oddman out on the old Chapera tribe, so why go after Jenna instead of Alicia; because Kathy is trying to create a winner she would be happy with since she cannot win herself. I also think this may be why she didn't pass immunity to Lex. She had time to think...she knows she can't win, and seeing how unloyal people have been to each other, she decided to help someone who deserves to win in her eyes, win. ***Edited to add title should have read "plants" not "plans"   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna wi... I_AM_HE 04-08-04 1    RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna wi... Aphrodite 04-09-04 2  RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna wi... TeamJoisey 04-09-04 3    RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna wi... redbeard103152 04-09-04 4        Kathy-Uncapable of orchestrating an... Scarlett O Hara 04-09-04 6            RE: Kathy-Uncapable of orchestratin... I_AM_HE 04-09-04 11                RE: Kathy-Uncapable of orchestratin... Smooth23 04-13-04 27  RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna wi... emydi 04-09-04 5  RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna wi... managerr 04-09-04 7    On the flip side I_AM_HE 04-09-04 12  Is She Really Talking About Booting... samboohoo 04-09-04 8    RE: Is She Really Talking About Boo... Loree 04-09-04 9  RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna wi... TenPin 04-09-04 10    RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna wi... samboohoo 04-09-04 13    RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna wi... katethegreat 04-12-04 14        RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna wi... PsychoKitty 04-13-04 15            RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna wi... Handola 04-13-04 22  RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna wi... Lightmage81 04-13-04 16  RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna wi... frisky 04-13-04 17  RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna wi... Ra_8secs 04-13-04 18    RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna wi... ankerdosh 04-13-04 19    RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna wi... JohnMc 04-13-04 20  RE: Kathy "SMART"?? ManateeBob 04-13-04 21    RE: Kathy "SMART"?? Handola 04-13-04 23    RE: Kathy "SMART"?? Get Bent 04-13-04 24        RE: Kathy "SMART"?? kelli_blue 04-13-04 25            RE: Kathy "SMART"?? Flowerpower 04-13-04 26

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I_AM_HE 6123 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-08-04, 10:00 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" LAST EDITED ON 04-08-04 AT 10:03 PM (EST) that's an interesting idea, and i'd love it if it were true. she seems to be planning something - seemed to be a spark of life at TC. maybe that spark isn't for winning but for REVENGE ETA that could fit with the thoughtful gesture or deceptive plan title...(although how it could be a thoughtful gesture is a little unclear, unless kathy TELLS jenna that's what she's going to do. and i can't imagine that actually being shown if it did happen. hmm)   Top

Aphrodite 18 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 04-09-04, 00:18 AM (EST) 2. "RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" Hi I'm new here. That idea sounds completely plausible. It would also tie in with an earlier thread foreshadowing the Jenna win. The one where Saboga dissolved and she was picked last and the camera was on her a looonnng time. Any thoughts?   Top

TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 04-09-04, 00:31 AM (EST) 3. "RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" I'm on the Jenna bandwagon. I thought from the beginning that all the power players would assassinate each other until there were only the shadow players left: Jenna looks like a winner if she's sitting next to Rob at the final 2. Robfadda doesn't see Jenna as a threat, so she might be kept around until the final 4. Then all she has to do is win two immunity challenges. If Jenna Morasca can do that, Jenna Lewis can too. And there have been plenty of moments where Jenna has been treated as the least likely winner, including being picked last when Saboga was dissolved. So yeah, Jenna wins. These reality show contestants need a reality check!   Top

redbeard103152 466 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 04-09-04, 08:12 AM (EST) 4. "RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" If you go back and look at all the previous challanges on ##### you will see that Jenna has not come close to winning even one. In fact she was directly responsible for her team losing a few the one where the objects were shot into the backet for one.She has been absolutely no threat at all in any of the challanges to this point.Could she be doing this on purpose? She has also forged a strong alliance with Rupert as he said that she is the only one he really trusts.She is in a position to join in with whatever group decides to break up Romber without putting herself in danger of a boot herself for doing so because of her lack of being a threat in the challanges.If she continues playing in the same manner she may be well on her way to collecting her million.RedBeard   Top

Scarlett O Hara 3439 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 04-09-04, 09:01 AM (EST) 6. "Kathy-Uncapable of orchestrating anything but doom" As Big Tom might say -- this is BULL$HIT!! I completely disagree with this idea, although I commend you on starting the thread. Kathy is bitter and out for revenge and will stir up the Happy Chappy pot any way she can. She is targeting Jenna, the Weakest Link of the Chappy tribe to desparately throw a proverbial wrench in the Happy Chappy Alliance. KOFan has already confirmed that Kathy is traveling next week and will not be around for her weekly Survivor commentary in Vermont. I take this as a confirmation of her impending boot next week. She is desparately trying to stay in the game and will be creating havoc to no avail. She and Lex have made their own beds -- put the nails in their own coffins. The two single-handedly were the architects of the Mogo demise. As Lex said on the Early Show -- "Its Karma -- what goes around, comes around." By the way, how did Snoozer know to put this quote in Spanish on his site? Lex must be a serious leak, IMHO. Scarlett   Top

I_AM_HE 6123 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-09-04, 12:40 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Kathy-Uncapable of orchestrating anything but doom" IF that's true, Kathy is making another blunder, because it makes NO sense for her to target Jenna if she views her as the weakest link. She'd be much better served to try and get people to vote out Alicia, Rupert, or Rob because they are physical threats (Tom too, but he stays on everyone's good side and never makes himself a target)   Top

Smooth23 1244 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 04-13-04, 06:07 PM (EST) 27. "RE: Kathy-Uncapable of orchestrating anything but doom" I don't think that it is feasable that kathy is doing this either, she just doesn't seem to have much smarts to me. I think she is playing the game way more emotionally than anything and doesn't have anything resembling a plan anymore.   Top

emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-09-04, 08:53 AM (EST) 5. "RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" I like this idea. Last nite was the best Survivor ### yet because of all the drama. One thing I said is Rob will not win this game, he may come in second but not win. Another thing, Amber will only win if Rob is sitting next to her in final 2. Kathy is a smart woman and if she pulls this off she deserves a place in the Reality Hall of Fame. She could have looked at the remaining players and said "Who should win this?" Jenna is a single mom and I think this would be the determining factor as to why she chose Jenna as her winner. The other plausible person would be Rupert, but Kathy does not know him as well and I see Kathy doing this for another woman first. Great post Cowboy!!! emydi   Top

managerr 1959 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 04-09-04, 10:46 AM (EST) 7. "RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" I *hope* this is Kathy's strategy. Otherwise, it's part of the ongoing attempt that she has made to show that she is one of the stupidest player in All-Stars. On the surface, this strategy looks really inane. She knows she's in trouble so she tries to deflect attention and target--Jenna? Way to target the biggest threat on Chapera Kathy! Jenna is a well-liked player who isn't seen as a threat by her tribe. Why on Earth would Kathy target her? That makes no strategic sense. It should be clear to her that she should be trying to break up the Boston Rob/Amber pairing or after Alicia or Shii Ann in order to buy herself time. Jenna is solidly in the middle, Kathy should be trying to *align* with Jenna and Rupert. Even Shii Ann is smart enough to see this.   Top

I_AM_HE 6123 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-09-04, 12:44 PM (EST) 12. "On the flip side" If Jenna really is so annoying that Kathy doesn't want her to win, we sure haven't seen much of that, especially in how any of her tribemates view her (with the obvious exception of Ethan who is now gone). And that means it's been edited out, which is as good a sign for Jenna winning. Whether Kathy is targeting her as a strategy to help her win, or because she truly doesn't want her to win, Jenna's editing looks to be that of a winner.   Top

samboohoo 17173 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-09-04, 11:04 AM (EST) 8. "Is She Really Talking About Booting Jenna?" After last night, I think Kathy would be angry with Amber. I know the previews look like she's talking about Jenna, but the "I don't want her to win" quote seems edited into that frame. I would think after Rob's betrayal, there's no way Kathy would want Amber around -- she did vote for her last night. Maybe the "cut Jenna out" part refers to cutting Jenna out of the plan, not the game. Samboohoo   Top

Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-09-04, 11:29 AM (EST) 9. "RE: Is She Really Talking About Booting Jenna?" >>"I don't >want her to win" quote >seems edited into that frame. > I thought the same thing. MB wants us to think Kathy is talking about Jenna. But I think Kathy more likely means Amber. That is the "she" Kathy would feel the most betrayed by.   Top

TenPin 263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 04-09-04, 12:29 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" I missed the previews, and haven’t watched my tape yet. We all know it’s edited, but what is the time line for Kathy’s possible move to target Jenna? Is it post reward challenge? Did Kathy see something in the video to make her want to target Jenna? I am in the boat the Kathy doesn’t want Amber to win, and the Jenna spin is more misdirection. Kathy spoke of the level of betrayal that she felt from Amber with her vote, and not Rob. Did anyone else think the way Amber was consoling/stroking Kathy’s back as Lex left was a little strange? Amber reached out, but Kathy did not reciprocate, and hardly even responded. Unless Jenna does something to upset Kathy, I just can’t see her trying to target her next, or set her up for a win. Kathy is getting way too much credit for being a smart player, when she is clearly playing in friendship mode and at the emotional level. TenPin "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intellegent, but the most responsive to change." Charles Darwin   Top

samboohoo 17173 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-09-04, 01:39 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" I forgot about the TC TenPin. I need to go re-watch TC. Samboohoo   Top

katethegreat 207 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 04-12-04, 09:05 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" When I saw that at TC, my first thought is that if I was Kathy, I would slap Amber away and tell her "Don't you dare touch me, you back-stabbing lying b----". I couldn't believe we didn't see more of the story of Amber's betrayal of Kathy. Amber begged Kathy on her knees to keep her, and promised her an alliance. Did Kathy just let her off the hook on Rob's demand?? Kathy should have forced the issue with Amber - she lied more than Rob to Lex, since Rob was more vague in his promise, and Amber was specific. Amber and Shii betrayed Lex more than Rob did, IMO. Amber must be one weak player for this story to not have even one second, one moment of coverage.   Top

PsychoKitty 727 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 04-13-04, 00:48 AM (EST) 15. "RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" I agree. I think Amber's touching Kathy was completely inappropriate. She was the one that made the deal with Lex and Kathy that they were going to the Final Four with her and Rob. Not Rob. That was just cloying. If I'd been Kathy I would have slapped her hand away.   Top

Handola 54 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 04-13-04, 04:21 PM (EST) 22. "RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" Whoa, wait a minute! Although Amber did beg Kathy to keep her and form an alliance, Amber hasn't really betrayed Kathy directly yet. She couldn't, Kathy had immunity. Amber may have included Lex in her final alliance grouping when she was begging Kathy, but technically, she made the deal with Kathy. So, even though Kathy is upset that Amber didn't try to fight for Lex, Amber hasn't had an opportunity to betray Kathy directly...yet. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Amber won't vote Kathy off this week or any other, but technically she hasn't done anything to Kathy yet. I think that it did take some guts (I can think of a better word) for Amber to console Kathy when Lex was voted off, however, I think we might be missing something with the editing here. Perhaps Amber intends to try to keep her word to Kathy if she can-perhaps I'm giving her too much credit. If she is intending to go back on her word to Kathy, then she really had no business consoling her. All my ranting is all for nought, however, since most peeps think that Kathy is outta there. I do think that MB is misdirecting us about Kathy wanting Jenna to go. Why on earth would she want that? A ploy to get Jenna into the F2? I think that's reaching. I don't think that Kathy has that kind of power and I don't think that she thinks she has that kind of power. It would be nice to see Jenna in the F2, though. She's a good gal. Peace   Top

Lightmage81 225 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 04-13-04, 06:03 AM (EST) 16. "RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" revenge of pagong!!   Top

frisky 11695 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-13-04, 09:56 AM (EST) 17. "RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" I think this makes sense, and MB would show this because it would further sway the non-spoiling fans to believe that Jenna won't win, making her eventual win or F2 spot more surprising to the viewing audience. Jenna would not seem an unworthy winner (like Jenna M.) because we know she can play. We saw her workin it with Saboga. She was the leader of the pack, and then had to readjust her strategy when she got switched. There's irony in her statement that it was like starting over, and all that work she did on Saboga was wasted. Right now, we see her as Amber's other brain, squealing with delight and hanging on Rob's every word, but we know better. She was Queen Bee at Saboga, and quickly realized that this strategy would not work at Chapera. I can't think of anyone else who's being edited to win this thing as strongly as Jenna. Kathy's setup is just another link in the chain. Card-carrying RBBRTFHLA/Sugar Ho Division Non-Embezzling GAWKUR Treasurer   Top

Ra_8secs 1081 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 04-13-04, 10:11 AM (EST) 18. "RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" I can see Kathy stirring the pot and sowing the seeds for Jenna. Jenna is more like Kathy than anyone else. And Kathy must know she's toast by now. I think she also wants to screw Rob again, just like at Marquesis. I am opposed to millionaires, but it would be dangerous to offer me the position. -- Mark Twain   Top

ankerdosh 47 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 04-13-04, 12:25 PM (EST) 19. "RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" My understanding of your theory is this: (1) Kathy knows her days at Chaboga Mogo are numbered and (2) knowing that she will be voted out right away, she (3) spends her remaining hours "planting seeds" for a Jenna victory with Big Tom because (4) she wants Jenna to win. Now, I can believe (1) and (2). But explain to me why (3) and (4) are plausible? Why does Kathy specifically want Jenna to win? And when has anyone been successful at "planting seeds" for someone else's victory? Much less their own victory?   Top

JohnMc 2679 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 04-13-04, 01:58 PM (EST) 20. "RE: Kathy plans seed for a Jenna win??" <<I think she also wants to screw Rob again, just like at Marquesis.>> How did she screw Rob at Marquesas??? Rob was voted out by Rotu who was tired of his antics. And Kathy didn't ever vote for Rob; she threw a vote at Zoe when he was booted.   Top

ManateeBob 38 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 04-13-04, 03:29 PM (EST) 21. "RE: Kathy "SMART"??" Im still waiting for evidence that Kathy is a "SMART" player. She might be a perfectly nice person, and very intelligent in a real world way, but she has done nothing in this game to make me think she is any kind of mastermind at survivor. Blabbed everything she knew about MM dynamics to Chappys at reward on boat. Either directed or acquiesced to getting rid of all MMs physically capable players at relatively early stages of game. Was swayed by Amber's plea or misplaced faith in Rob to eliminate a completely vulnerable and therefore useful ally in wicked witch Jerry. Instead of working the fact Amber made promise to keep her and Lex over other members of Chappy to erode their solidarity spent TC day pining and whining about "betrayal". Had she and Lex had any emotional control its a pretty easy pitch to lobby Rup, Jenna and Alicia over the inevitable danger of Romber. Even if you give Romber Big Tom and his last minute ally Alicia they can get rid of Amber 5-4 and if Lex really had any pull with BT maybe you get 6-3. Now admittedly the editiing plays a part here but did we see any attempt by either of them to change the will of the Robfadda? If anything wasnt shown it seems likely to be the old Chappys getting to Sheep-Ann and getting her also to give Lex the heave-ho. I do not believe for a second that Kathy is setting up any kind of reverse psychology effort to get Jenna the win. Now she might be trying to get rid of Amber with her "I dont want her to win / Cut Jenna out of it. " comments, which I think is likely, or for some reason she might be trying to actually target Jenna, but I have seen nothing to suggest she has such a fine understanding of the other players or the game to be involved in some sort of "double-secret" attempt to steer the game towards Jenna.   Top

Handola 54 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 04-13-04, 04:29 PM (EST) 23. "RE: Kathy "SMART"??" I think when she said "cut Jenna out of it" she meant cut Jenna out of any alliance to try and vote Amber off. If Kathy can get BT, SA, Alicia, and Rupert to vote off Amber (which I don't think she can) then she doesn't need Rob's or Jenna's votes. Just a thought. It won't work, but I'm sure Kathy will make a valiant effort!   Top

Get Bent 293 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 04-13-04, 04:35 PM (EST) 24. "RE: Kathy "SMART"??" LAST EDITED ON 04-13-04 AT 04:36 PM (EST) I agree, I have not seen Kathy demonstrate that she is a smart player. Many mistakes. However her pick on trying to outst Jenna is interesting. Why does she think Jenna is most vulnerable? Why wouldn't she target Alicia, whom Amber let be known that Alicia sulked after the log roll challenge, and one can therefore assume has been annoying the tribe? Or, why wouldn't she target the snake him self? She knows Rupert and Jenna are probably not 100% in with Tom, Rob and Amber (original Chappys). She has Shii Ann in her pocket. Why wouldn't she try to convince the others that Rob and Amber are obviously in a pact for the F2, and none of you stand a chance. At least with me, you might make it!!! I cannot think of a good reason to pick Jenna as her target. I think the original post of this reasoning is unlikley. She is still trying to save her skin IMHO.   Top

kelli_blue 301 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 04-13-04, 05:37 PM (EST) 25. "RE: Kathy "SMART"??" I can see Kathy stirring the pot That's what I want to see...Kathy stirring up trouble. She KNOWS she's going next, but wants to get that tight allliance to falter somewhat. I hope she succeeds.   Top

Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-13-04, 05:45 PM (EST) 26. "RE: Kathy "SMART"??" I agree that we don't really know what her conversation with Big Tommy is on the beach, it could be just misdirection. I can not see how Kathy could or even would try to misdirect/manipulate these players for a Jenna win..... I do recall in an early spoiler something about Kathy trying to get an older player alliance going against a younger player alliance however. I wonder if this plotting is an attempt to do this? Perhaps get Tom, Rupert, Shii, and herself against the younger Romber, Alicia, and Jenna???? .....Food for thought   Top

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