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"New Twist For First Episode"
speedyforme 228 desperate attention whore postings
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01-11-04, 11:07 AM (EST)
 
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LAST EDITED ON 01-11-04 AT 11:09 AM (EST)I feel so bad about not knowing the rules on this forum but I just didn't where this would fit in... "A storm is brewing on cutthroat island. Divided into three tribes of six, the new cast of Survivor: All Stars has traveled, blindfolded, by boat over shark infested waters to reach a picturesque stretch of beach in Panama's Pearl Islands. Soon they will compete in an immunity challenge that will force the losing tribe to give one of its members the boot. But first they get a chance to check out the competition." "As thunder rumbles, host Jeff Probst instructs the tribes to emerge, one by one, from the separate patches of the mosquito riddles jungle where they life in wait." this is what they said in TV Guide articles...this is what i imagine: All Players are brought in BLINDFOLDED (duh) and brought to their respected camps...then they hang out for the 2-3 days, then when they go to the first immunity, that is when they get to finally "CHECK OUT THE COMPETITION" (hence the coming out of the bushes thingie...this would also explain that the tribes are separated even before the game so they don't kno other ppl who would be in the game besides their own tribe mates etc... what a shock would that be! seeing your competition for the first time AT the first immmunity challenge...does this make sense?
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munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings
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01-11-04, 12:18 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: New Twist For First Episode" |
It sure does make sense.MB always tries to keep the Castaways on their toes with the twists and surprises. This group, who have been thru this before, needed to get that message right from the get go that the game is unpredictable. They arrive at their camp blindfolded to quickly discover they are on a tribe of six. Huh? No doubt they were expecting two tribes of eight. Score one for MB. The next thought is, only twelve of us competing? Will two more join the tribe later today? Tomorrow? Then comes the IC and they find out it's a three tribe game! Yep, things are different this time around. Imagine all the speculating during the first three days. Who is on the other tribe that I have a natural alliance/connection with and how can I exploit that later? But in the meantime, I need to ally with the folks on my own tribe so I can make it to the merge. And now I'm no longer assuming a traditional merge of two tribes at 10. Uh-oh. Whatever stratgey I had pre-game might need some tweaking now. I will add that despite this twist, I'm guessing the smarter players will anticipate three tribes before the IC. Also, I'll bet it won't be too much of a surprise when they find out who their competitors are. These people are not 18 strangers after all.
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volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings
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01-11-04, 08:08 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: New Twist For First Episode" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-11-04 AT 08:34 PM (EST)I really like this idea and maybe something very similar happens! According to the wingedmonkey spoiler: The three tribes of six were formed before the game started. The players were separated by tribes into three different locations while awaiting for the game to start. Plenty of time for alliances to form but will they actually serve their purposes if twists are thrown into the mix that preclude any benefits from alliances? Assuming this is correct, their would still be a major surprise when they show up for their first challenge and there are three tribes. The same shocked feelings would be there. I know that MB loves having the secrets of them not speaking to each other. Now, there is a spoiler out there that states they are free to make alliances before the game starts! WOW! ETA: The way I read the article in TV Guide...it makes it sounds as if the challenge is on day one! Does anyone else read it that way? I think in the past though the press has visited like on day 2 or 3 right? 
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JohnMc 2679 desperate attention whore postings
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01-12-04, 11:57 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: New Twist For First Episode" |
<<what a shock would that be! seeing your competition for the first time AT the first immmunity challenge...does this make sense? >>Yeah, it does. Look at the group shot on the CBS website: http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor8/index.shtml Notice how they are in groups of 6 according to their tribe. Anyone who knows the tiniest thing about Photoshop knows that you can superimpose all 3 tribes in front of a background. I love this twist - it will keep all of them guessing, as well as us!
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okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings
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01-12-04, 12:19 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: New Twist For First Episode" |
Yes, each tribe is grouped together. What else would be expected? I downloaded the picture and looked at it a little more closely. I'd bet a dollar to a donut that it hasn't been photoshopped...
 
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings
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01-12-04, 01:42 PM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 01-12-04 AT 01:43 PM (EST)I thought the same thing, but now I changed my mind. Here's a larger version of the picture at SurvivorFever: http://www.survivorfever.net/s8_cast_tribes.html I think it's a group photo taken before the first challenge. The clothing matches the challenge pic clothes in TV Guide, allowing for them stripping down to shorts or bathing suits. 
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TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings
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01-13-04, 00:53 AM (EST)
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33. "I think the group shot is real" |
You can certainly paste those people in there with Photoshop, but I think it's real for a different reason.Group dynamics. If they were asked to stand together in a tribe only photo, they wouldn't have positioned themselves as they are. Lex for instance, wouldn't squat in the first row like that, leaving two people way off to his left with the flag. If it was a group of six, it's not hard to imagine they would place themselves around the flag, which would be in a central location. Maybe you think I'm crazy, but this looks like a large family reunion photo, not three individual photos. But you guys already know that. 
These reality show contestants need a reality check!
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01-12-04, 12:38 PM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 01-12-04 AT 12:42 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 01-12-04 AT 12:41 PM (EST) SNN Spy Report said that the three tribes were formed before the game started. In fact, each tribe arrived together at a different time. That being the case, TV Guide and their little blurb IMO is drama. Let's face it, how many people who watch Survivor are reading Survivor News Net? How intriguing, how dramatic...... they were blindfolded and know nothing etc as oppposed to...... everyone knows everyone and the tribes were already split up from the get go which allowed more time for alliance building, etc. If I were the general public, I think I like the first description better  ETA In terms of the photo, just like any other photo. Pre press stuff like we have seen every other Survivor do when they are all grouped together looking fresh and pretty. The TV Guide Article is doing nothing but creating drama (with Vee not in it they can )
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings
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01-12-04, 04:21 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: New Twist For First Episode" |
SNN Spy Report said that the three tribes were formed before the game started. In fact, each tribe arrived together at a different time.That being the case, TV Guide and their little blurb IMO is drama. I don't see any contradiction here. If each group of six was flown in separately and sent to its own location, the members of each tribe wouldn't know for sure who else was in the game (though they might have some ideas). Why else would MB bother to isolate the contestants by tribe before the game except that he didn't want them to know who was on the other tribe(s)?
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speedyforme 228 desperate attention whore postings
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01-12-04, 04:33 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: New Twist For First Episode" |
exactly, remember...they could've just said before the challenge to huddle in their tribes to take a group shot...nothing special...AFTER the initial shock or surprise to find out exactly who is playing and exactly which tribes they are on
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speedyforme 228 desperate attention whore postings
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01-12-04, 04:54 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: New Twist For First Episode" |
i agree BUT whats the diff between having them on a boat AND not allowing them to talk or look at each opther directlythen separating them? if they did, it can be caught on tape, clearly...IMHO that they didn't want everyone to know everyone else who was playing the game and which tribes there were in... they need initial shock value
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speedyforme 228 desperate attention whore postings
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01-12-04, 05:13 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: New Twist For First Episode" |
i absolutely agree as well, however, i think ONCE they were selected, they were not allowed to contact anyone else after...and i also agree that this will not truely affect gameplay, just a nice SURPRISE! or SHOCK! value added...somethig fun, not to screw up everyone's gameplan...as MB says it "their paranoia will get to them"...or something like that...teehee, it think it's still a cool idea and fun to watch as the first episode
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volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings
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01-12-04, 09:48 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: New Twist For First Episode" |
No, I am not saying that at all. With this being All Star Survivor...they would have no idea how many people there would be. If there is 6 on your tribe. Why wouldn't you think there were 12 or 24 or maybe even correctly guess that there are 18. You would not know until you saw the number of tribes.Also, if you had planned something with someone and you thought there were going to be 16. The logistics of carrying out a planned alliance would be very tough. My point is that no one knows who is on the other tribe(s) until they see them at the challenge. Then they are also surprised by the fact that there are three tribes of six. Remember, we are dealing with people on Survivor, If I were on Survivor and I was taken and shown my other tribe mates and there were 6 of us...I don't think that I would automatically go..oh wow there are three tribes of 6! I just don't think that is something that is so easily decided!
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Cyanide4U 9 desperate attention whore postings
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01-12-04, 10:09 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: New Twist For First Episode" |
OK....I haven't analyzed everyone's responses not that it really matters, considering that my subject hasn't been covered yet. The importance of 3 tribes isn't so much that it buggers up planned individual alliances (actually, I don't think it should affect planned alliances too much in a direct manner, but much more in an indirect manner -- individual alliances come later in the game). But, the important thing about a 3rd tribe is that it introduces a new level of strategy. Now, you aren't just competing with your tribe against the only other tribe while slowly pulling together plots and alliances on an individual level. All-of-a-sudden, your are being forced to spend considerable time negotiating with another tribe to oust/damage the third tribe. Multiple members of your tribe are negotiating with each of the other tribes in order to decide which tribe to scr*w over. And, you don't know which of the other tribes can actually be trusted. Top it off with the fact that a tribe is formed of multiple people all with their own opinions. Half your tribe might believe Tribe A to be trustworthy, while half your tribe may think Tribe B are the ones to go with. Opinions might be so stubborn that they lead straight to outright betrayal within individual tribes based on the negotiations intended to illicit alliance with the other tribes (this is where suspected pre-game alliances could factor in, largely on a paranoia level). The number one thing at the beginning will be steadfast and charismatic leadership. Cyanide4U
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speedyforme 228 desperate attention whore postings
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01-12-04, 10:23 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: New Twist For First Episode" |
OK so you basically said what i said...teehee, the post you were responding to was just another response i made when someone commented on believing that ppl made deals before the show so therefore they hung out before the game began while they were selected...i agree with 100% what you said...since that is what i said in my first post
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speedyforme 228 desperate attention whore postings
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01-13-04, 06:43 AM (EST)
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35. "RE: New Twist For First Episode" |
haha i totally understand, since these are spoilers with too many ideas...
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings
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01-13-04, 11:01 AM (EST)
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36. "RE: New Twist For First Episode" |
someone commented on believing that ppl made deals before the show so therefore they hung out before the game began while they were selectedI believe you're referring to me, but that is not what I meant. Okaloosajohn said that MB might have isolated the tribes pre-game because he was worried about them trying to plan cross-tribal alliances, rather than because he didn't want them to know exactly who else was in the game or how many tribes there were. My point was that I don't think cross-tribal plotting was the major issue for MB, because, as I was trying to illustrate by Tina's remark, some people could have started plotting strategies months earlier before the final cast was even selected. I believe that once the final cast choices were made, however, they were not allowed to contact each other, and so no one knew *for sure* everyone else who made the final cut. *That* is why MB kept them separated until the first challenge.
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