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"See BS Misdirection Ep 13 "Flames and Endurance""
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1. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 13 "Flames and Endurance"" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-12-03 AT 00:19 AM (EST)>Letters from home bring a Survivor
>to tears, but one tribemate
>sees it as an opportunity
>to turn the rest of
>the tribe against that person. Humm... could Jon's letter from home somehow reveal The Great Lie? One way or another, I'd be surprised if Jon isn't involved in this. And Sandra too, because let's face, it, outside of challenges, Darrah and Lill barely breathe.
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12-12-03, 01:08 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 13 "Flames and Endurance"" |
>>Letters from home bring a Survivor
>>to tears, but one tribemate
>>sees it as an opportunity
>>to turn the rest of
>>the tribe against that person.
>
>Humm... could Jon's letter from home
>somehow reveal The Great Lie? seriously doubt this. rest of tribe doesn't need opportunity to turn against Jon. also haven't they had privacy to read letters in the past? jenna, christy last season...even the IM chats in the Outback were private; no crowding around the screen. don't think jon would be stupid enough to let others see a letter containing ref. to dear ole grammamma, would he? course, that potato/mop comment does prove his general stupidity, so who knows? >
>One way or another, I'd be
>surprised if Jon isn't involved
>in this. right on, here. i'll bet the farm that he's the one looking for an opportunity. he's desperate enough, and certainly not above using other people's pain for an "opportunity"
GM
--thinks Jon would view Darrah's profession as an "opportunity" to find easy dates who don't care he is six inches short.
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12-12-03, 11:21 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 13 "Flames and Endurance"" |
>>Letters from home bring a Survivor
>>to tears, but one tribemate
>>sees it as an opportunity
>>to turn the rest of
>>the tribe against that person.
>
>Humm... could Jon's letter from home
>somehow reveal The Great Lie?
>
I thought that, too. What if it's from his "dead" grandmother? Or from his mother, who doesn't mention it?Except that the bootees have said in interviews that they didn't find out about the Lie till they saw the show with us.
>
>One way or another, I'd be
>surprised if Jon isn't involved
>in this. And Sandra
>too, because let's face, it,
>outside of challenges, Darrah and
>Lill barely breathe.
Well, Lill does whine a lot... 
   
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12-12-03, 03:38 PM (EST)
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36. "Something doesn't add up..." |
Burton said he knew that the lie had not happened yet on his first boot interview. In his 2nd boot interview, he said that he didn't know that Jon had lied about his grandmother's death.How is it possible for Burton to know that the big lie had not occurred if he did not know what the lie was? Both Christa and Tijuana have said the fake grandmother death was news to them, and they didn't find out until watching the show. The only way for any of the jury to find out what the lie was would be for it to come out in TC. Perhaps EPM has coached them about telling?
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12-14-03, 01:34 PM (EST)
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49. "RE: Something doesn't add up..." |
LAST EDITED ON 12-14-03 AT 01:39 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 12-14-03 AT 01:37 PM (EST) Even though the party line is that they aren't supposed to see eachother, they do hang out. My friends in NYC have been out with them both at the same time. So it's possible for Burton not to have known about the lie at the time it was told, but by the time he gave the first boot interview, he knew about it. Also, Jon wouldn't even need to have direct communication with Burton for Burton to know about the lie. I know his actions in the last few episodes might indicate otherwise, but Burton is really smart (he's a friend of mine from school) and as soon as all the hoopla about "the greatest lie in survivor history" started floating about, and given how tight Burton is/was with Jon, making the deduction about the lie is hardly a stretch. That's how I think he was able to say in the first boot interview that the lie hadn't happened yet. ETA: I am going to talk to Burton tomorrow and I'll ask him to clarify. edited for spelling
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12-12-03, 00:18 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 13 "Flames and Endurance"" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-12-03 AT 00:55 AM (EST)A twist in the final stretch
brings an unexpected battle for
the Final Four.
I have been trying to figure out what kind of twist could occur in final four show. I had thought possibly that the two survivors that were ousted by the outcasts (Shawn and Andrew) get put on the jury as "Outcast" jurors (osten would have been but he was having too much fun on his Panama Vacation to make it back) This may explain how they know about the 5 final tc speeches But this teaser leads me to believe that something else happens bc of the word "battle" do they have to go up against jurors? Rupert v. Jon but remember in the radio promo for Survivor sunday-the twist seems to affect JFP the most--this is the most idiotic thing ive seen in this this game quote so hmmmm..... waiting for more hints... edited to correct that JFP quote from radio promo not tv preview
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12-12-03, 00:30 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 13 "Flames and Endurance"" |
With any luck, the twist is that the vote is not the last day on the island but at the reunion show and Jon realizes that his lie will be exposed.
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12-12-03, 06:10 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 13 "Flames and Endurance"" |
Well it would be the way to get rid of the weakest person in the final 4.
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12-12-03, 01:49 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 13 "Flames and Endurance"" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-12-03 AT 02:45 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 12-12-03 AT 01:52 AM (EST) On ugly little thought came to mind when I heard about the letters: Sandra wasn't exactly sympathetic to Jon's tragedy. Sandra is now Jon's biggest threat. If the girls share a brain, she's in control of it. Let's face it, if it wasn't for Sandra this episode, Burton would still be here, and Lil would be gone. Sandra is also the one who, from what we've seen, and what Christy hinted at, showed some disdain towards Jon's 'grandmother' post. Now, who is the only person you can imagine who would turn tears from someone's letter from home into their boot from the island? Good old Johnny Rotten himself. I think Sandra hears something, what, I don't know, it might not even be that bad, and Jon takes the attitude of 'Oh, now we're supposed to feel sorry for you? Excuse me, you wouldn't even feel sorry for me when my Grandmother died!' Looking at it from this side, it seems crazy, but just crazy enough for Jon to attempt. Lil would probably buy it. As for the twist... Did I not hear a rumor somewhere about how the jury would be voting live, at the reunion, after they've watched the entire seasons footage?
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12-12-03, 10:54 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 13 "Flames and Endurance"" |
Hmmm... I forgot that. But they haven't had an auction yet and the letters/videos/communication "from home" has always come out of a RC, right? (i.e. There's only one who gets it.)
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12-12-03, 10:29 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 13 "Flames and Endurance"" |
i dooubt there would be a live voting because Rupert has an unfair disadvantage of NOT being able to see the footage since he's been gone on ASS so...
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12-12-03, 08:43 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 13 "Flames and Endurance"" |
>Letters from home bring a Survivor
>to tears, but one tribemate
>sees it as an opportunity
>to turn the rest of
>the tribe against that person. Lill cries, because Lill always cries, and Jon sees it as an opportunity to vote her out, because "she just can't take it any more." It doesn't succeed, but I think that's the scenario. >A twist in the final stretch
>brings an unexpected battle for
>the Final Four. Unexpected battle for the F4? That's strange wording. I'm very curious what that could mean. ---
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12-12-03, 11:38 AM (EST)
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21. "Jiffy's smile" |
hmm.. This doesn't have anything to do with the red herrings but maybe it relates...Last night when they showed the preview for sunday's ep, they didn't really show any clips for next week's show, except for Jiffy at TC saying 'I can see this will be an interesting finish' or something along those lines, and he has a BIG BIG smile on his face. What could make Jiffy smile like that? I would say a Jon boot. (I hope I hope) MM
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12-12-03, 11:56 AM (EST)
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22. "Crying and Twist thoughts" |
>>Letters from home bring a Survivor to tears, but one tribemate sees it as an opportunity to turn the rest of the tribe against that person.Lill cries all the time. Of course a letter from home will make her cry some more. The content won't make any difference. Jon will probably try telling Darrah and Sandra that they should boot Lill for her own good. Sandra's hates Jon too much and is too cold-hearted to boot Lill. >>A twist in the final stretch brings an unexpected battle for the Final Four. Umm....I'll be real surprised if they come up with a meaningful twist this late in the game. But this would be fun - have the loved ones battle for immunity (Thunder Dan verus Sandra's man, Big Lonnie versus Darrah's hunk). It would be hilarious What I'd really like to see is a TC immediately after the IC challenge so there's no opportunity for last-minute negotiations. That would be good TV. -P
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12-12-03, 02:02 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: Crying and Twist thoughts" |
Maybe she gets word that her mom is really sick.Oh like that's gonna work twice! It'd be uber-hilarious if that's what kind of letter she got and everyone started raising eyebrows about another grandma story (I know, it's not Lill's grandma, but she's Lill's children's grandma and the letter could be from one of her children). Like I said before, the content of the letter could be anything and Lill will still cry. "Dear Lill, everything is fine, the weather's a b!tch, people are dying from the heat in France. Oh, and the war in Iraq ain't going so great, regardless of what Rummie is telling us. I'm certain the president is leading us in the right direction and with God's help we'll persevere against false idols." (Lill bursts into tears.) -P
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12-12-03, 01:51 PM (EST)
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24. "Sort of mentioned above" |
This was hinted at above butt not really said. I thought it so strange when Jiffy P. was giving his little spill at the end of the show that he didn't tell them how the ending was going to play out.Usually he says with three days to go there will 2 tribal councils...blah blah blah! However, all he says is..."with a 3-2 vote, 3 of you are together and ain't nobody playing for third"! Correct me if I am wrong butt in the past hasn't Jiffy explained in detail how the final four works differently than the previous 36 days? 
I thought Jiffy's, "should be a fun finish" was from a previous TC butt after re-watching...it may be new!
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12-12-03, 02:25 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: Sort of mentioned above" |
I know you love it when Jeff starts stirring...
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12-12-03, 02:37 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 13 "Flames and Endurance"" |
>Letters from home bring a Survivor to tears, but one tribemate sees it as an opprortunity to turn the rest of the tribe against that person<Of course, this has got to be Lil whining and crying regarding any news, good or bad, from home. Jon takes the opportunity, any opportunity, to turn the rest, D and Sandra, against the frail whiner......and for one, I hope he succeeds! >A twist in the final stretch brings an unexpected battle for the Final Four< Could this be when Lil steps on the fire and burns her foot and proceeds to COMPLAIN AND WHINE some more???!!!????........and the others just can not stand another minute of it.....gotta admit, the shoe sure fits!
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12-12-03, 03:07 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 13 "Flames and Endurance"" |
FP: I'll have to admit I was a bit surprised last night when they showed Lil whining about her feet. I thought...hm....MAYBE FlowerPower has something here....thought it maybe foreshawdowing to the burning of her feet.
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12-12-03, 03:19 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 13 "Flames and Endurance"" |
>Letters from home bring a Survivor
>to tears, but one tribemate
>sees it as an opportunity
>to turn the rest of
>the tribe against that person. Lill and Darrah both boo-hooed for real when their loved ones showed up. Jon faked it. Sandra doesn't strike me as the type for sentimental tears. Who is scrambling to stay in the game? Jon, versus the alliance of three, one of whom he voted for last night, having lied to her that he would not. Jon needs any opportunity he can get to spin another player badly, and Lill would be the best person for him to get rid of because he knows she's out to get him after his vote. So Jon is our opportunist here. And our weeper is Lill. As for how they get the letters, given that there's usually no reward challenge at this point in the game, perhaps this ties into the unexpected twist somehow. >A twist in the final stretch
>brings an unexpected battle for
>the Final Four. My instinct is that there's no immunity challenge, but I don't have any refined thoughts as to why this would be good TV, just yet, because any voting strategy based on someone not winning immunity (Jon, for example) wouldn't be affected in any interesting way by there not being an immunity challenge. The only thing jumping to mind is that maybe two people win immunity somehow, meaning that the backup plan is in jeopardy. Must ponder it some more.
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12-12-03, 06:13 PM (EST)
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40. "On ET" |
I am watching ET and they show Jeff carrying a tray of food & drink to the final 4 on their island and announcing it is Day 37. Lil is practically crying then and when Jeff leaves she says she loves that man. Lil is emotional over everything. And now that she has lost Burton she seems to want Jeff. (Run Jeff!)
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12-12-03, 06:37 PM (EST)
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42. "jeff going to camp" |
jeff shows up to camp for the last endurance IC.From S3 he showed up and lex had been pooping all night, they walked through the night until they reached the torches where they had the ceremony S4:Jeff showed up and told the three ladies they had to put together a boat and paddle to a destination. S5|: jeff showed up as the remaining 4 were looking out into the water. He arrived on a boat and gave them stuff to make flower floaties. S6:| jeff showed up and put them on a plane 
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12-13-03, 05:20 PM (EST)
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46. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 13 "Flames and Endurance"" |
>>Letters from home bring a Survivor
>>to tears, but one tribemate
>>sees it as an opportunity
>>to turn the rest of
>>the tribe against that person.I bet Jon gets a letter from Mom, and there is no mention at all of dear Grandma. Sandra turns to Darrah and Lill, and says something like, "Gee. Nothing about your Grandma? That's strange." I'm also still waiting to see Jon's promised "drama-queenesque
scene" at TC. Maybe he throws a hissy-fit when Sandra votes him out, after she "swore" on her children that she wouldn't.
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12-12-03, 09:02 PM (EST)
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43. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 13 "Flames and Endurance"" |
Quote:
"A twist in the final stretch brings an unexpected battle for the Final Four." Here's a horrible thought: they bring back the last couple of bootees, and give them a chance to replace someone, again. Usually EPMB chooses to do exactly the thing that would make me the maddest. A repeat of the first twist would kill me!
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12-13-03, 10:06 AM (EST)
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45. "jonny" |
One thing that sticks out at me as its the f4 that they are showing and not the F3.The only time they showed the f3 was during survivor 2 when the boot went just as it was supposed to in the other 5 so far there have been at least the f4 tc booting was not voted out along alliance lines. This said the case looks pretty good for Jon to make the F3.
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12-14-03, 10:56 AM (EST)
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47. "Flames meaning what??" |
Right from day one I wondered why the flames surrounding the Survivor logo on CBS. As it rises from the water and also flames around the pix of the cast in the opening sequence - It puzzles me since I couldn't see a LOGICAL connection between fire and pirates.OK, fire is life in survivordom, and maybe the flames are to underscore that two dead pirates had their fires lit again. But now with the title of Ep 13 talking about Flames, I'm wondering if the flames in the opening sequence have another meaning related to the final episode. (Hoping it means Jon burns in hell) Another thought - every spoiler knows what flaming is. Maybe MB took a cue from SB, thinking it was a good metaphor for the most brutal TC ever with 5 Soozin' type speeches ripping someone apart. Ok, flame away... Tom (no not THAT Tom)
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12-14-03, 02:01 PM (EST)
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50. "RE: Flames meaning what??" |
Someone being 'flamed' at the F2 I think that makes at least some sense. Think of this: Jon and Darrah or Sandra make it to F2. There in the audience is 'dead' Jonny's Grandma to watch her loving lying disgusting little grandson win the bucks...or so she thinks. Somehow someway her identity is found out which JP rather casually mentions. I can see a MAJOR conflagration onstage directed towards Jon. I can also see JP coming out with 'm*******r' over that one. True true everyone lies on Survivor but I don't think I've ever seen a lie quite that low. Even if it's 'playing the game'. Maybe after tonight Jon can officially change his name to Jonny Rotten Deadmeat!
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12-14-03, 03:53 PM (EST)
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53. "Jon's dead granny" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-14-03 AT 03:55 PM (EST)I really hope she is there tonight, decked out in her Jerry Springer best...hehe. Jon can introduce her around and America (and beyond) can meet the world's most famous grandma =) *Humming*
Fairplay's Grandma got runover by a reindeer
On the way to the survivor reunion show
You might think there's no such think as reincarnation
But as for Fairplay & thunder Dan they believe.... She stopped off at a Springer taping...
Was a guest, got in a fight....
Left the show put on a tie die
And made it to LA in time for night.. (boom boom boom)
She met Jiffy, Rupert, Sandra, Lil,
Hugged Jon so tight and laughed,
Slipped him what he needed most and said..
WOULD YOU PLEASE JUST SHUT UP AND TAKE YOUR PILL... Ok, sorry, just having fun. It's a fun song if you sing it to that tune! hehe 
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