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"Battle for Lil"
Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings
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12-11-03, 06:06 PM (EST)
 
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5. "RE: Battle for Lil" |
Tonight may show why Lil gets 2 nasty questions at the final TC. If both Jon and Burton thinks she stabbed them in the back to go with the girls they could turn on her at the vote.
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esquire 1095 desperate attention whore postings
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12-11-03, 10:21 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Battle for Lil" |
And I could also see nasty questions from Ryan and Rupert.
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Oscirus 1596 desperate attention whore postings
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12-11-03, 10:49 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Battle for Lil" |
no to mention tj and christa
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Oscirus 1596 desperate attention whore postings
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12-12-03, 09:54 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: Battle for Lil" |
I think the juror members were more happy that their respective alliance members were still in it than at the fact that lil helped orchestrate burtons boot. a better question might be who are the two that wouldnt have nasty questions for li
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mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings
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12-12-03, 10:01 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: Battle for Lil" |
Loree, I don't see why Jon or Burton would have such nasty Qs for Lill (except in their delusions of grandeur).Oh I think there's going to be plenty of nasty questions for Lil. Most of them regarding the nature of her lies. When Ryan O was voted out he said: "I wish D & T a lot of luck. Not so much Lil." When Burton was voted out last night, 3/4 of his final words were regarding Lil betraying him. When Jon goes next week, he will also spend his time bitching about Lil betraying him.
The reason? Lil spent time with Burton on their little breakfast RC island telling him: "well that's going to require that I lie and I have a problem with that..." She went to him last episode and demanded that he confirm that she's going to be in the F2, which in his mind was an indicator that she was still on board with him and wouldn't lie (whether she actually said it or not). On the catamaran RC with Jon, Lil told him that she was in it to the end with him. That she would do it, she didn't like lying to the woman but for him she'd do it. Rupert? You bet your bottom dollar he's gonna have choice words for her. She assured him that she was in with his alliance with Christa and Sandra. She lay next to him in the dark and told him all was well.
See? Lil has been touting her Scouts motto truth bit the entire time. She stuck with it for a while and has been trying to portray this wholesome image, but she has consistantly and methodically lied to everyone.
So, yeah...she'll get nasty questions and rightfully so. I can't wait to see it. 
--would rather see Sandra win
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Smooth23 1244 desperate attention whore postings
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12-13-03, 01:00 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: Battle for Lil" |
Who I hate and why I hate them, doubles as my wish list for who gets how far.F4 Lil - Person i hate most at this point. Run her over, make her walk the plank, let a crab eat her, i dont care just get her off F3 Jon - Next on my list. Hate this ass, tho not quite as much as I did a few episodes ago. F2 Sandra - Plays the game, but at the same time I didn't like her riding ruppies coattails till he was gone, then ultimately assure his departure by voting for Jon. F1 Darrah - Plays a good game, Wins immunities and rewards--lots of em. She's cute to, cant wait to see her in playboy. 
Yes i know this prolly belongs more in bashers, but i just like the spoiler board so much more =)
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speedyforme 228 desperate attention whore postings
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12-13-03, 02:10 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: Battle for Lil" |
>>>F2 Sandra - Plays the game, but at the same time I didn't like her riding ruppies coattails till he was gone, then ultimately assure his departure by voting for Jon.
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>Xactly! She acted like such friends
>of Rupert. Their little group
>thought they had Lil on
>their side that night. If
>that was so, with Sandra's
>vote, Rupert was safe, yeeeeeeeeeeet,
>Sandra rather stabbed Rupert in
>the back by voting for
>Jon and then turned around
>and covering her mouth and
>acting oh so innocent and
>in total shock when Rupert
>was getting all of the
>votes. At the same time
>she had taken the walk
>with the ladies on planning
>to vote Rupert off. Then,
>when she overheard Burton and
>Jon talking on voting Rupert
>off, she went and tattled
>on them to Rupert. Does
>the word H-Y-P-O-C-R-Y-I-T-E come to
>mind? Then she stabs her
>"supposedly" good friend Christa in
>the back when she (Sandra)
>dumped all of the fish
>and let Christa take the
>blame. She then made the
>deal with Tijuana and Darrah
>on the one vote and
>then turned around and voted
>Tijuana off. NO doubt Jon
>is a JERK............yet Sandra is
>right there with him IMHO.
>Jon admits to it yet
>Sandra acts oh so innocent.
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I still think Sandra was innocent and surprised with the Rupert vote, you see how pissed off she was at Jon afterwards?
The fish part, ANYONE would lie about it, why fess up about it? she didn't throw the fish out on purpose... Voting off T was backstabbing? Christa did say T was overly confident about siding with the girls and threatened them that she can switch to Burton's side anytime...she kinda deserved to go by playing too hard... Sandra provides me more entertainment than Jon ever can, she really is SASSY, great motives and sooooo devious it's great and she def played harder than Darrah who just kinda did nothing until day 30... although i'd be happy if Darrah won also...anyone than Lill and Jon
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DaBulldog 9 desperate attention whore postings
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12-13-03, 04:09 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: Battle for Lil" |
>>>I still think Sandra was innocent and surprised with the Rupert vote, you see how pissed off she was at Jon afterwards?
Surprised at what? They already knew that the others were going to vote against Rupert. That was when Sandra had overheard them saying this. That is when she went to Rupert and told him. Of course she didn't mention herself of doing the Xact same thing did she? Again, they "THOUGHT" they had Lil voting with them against Darrah. That would have been 4-4 tie with Rupert or Darrah going out. If Lil had done so, and Sandra hadn't turned on Rupert.........Darrah would have been out of there. But.......Lil lied and Sandra voted for Jon. In other words, Sandra wasn't shocked one single bit. She knew that since there were "8" people there, that there were still "4" people voting for Rupert. Well.........without her vote, and going towards Jon....that would just leave 3 for Darrah at the most wouldn't it? Sandra very well "KNEW" what she was doing. Again, without her vote, that left 3 at the most for Darrah and 4 for Rupert. She knew Xactly what she was doing.
At the same time, that night they had to show all of the votes. I'm still surprised that Rupert hasn't figured this out yet. Christa at the same time. In other words, only two votes were there for Darrah. Christa knew she voted for Darrah and so did Rupert.........ding ding ding ding ding........there goes the bell. Somebody didn't hold up their end of the deal.
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DaBulldog 9 desperate attention whore postings
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12-14-03, 00:02 AM (EST)
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31. "RE: Battle for Lil" |
They probably haven't put two and two together yet. That is Christa and Rupert. Lil......I wouldn't see Rupert voting for since she voted against him that night while telling him otherwise. I could "possiblly" see him voting for Darrah. That's just possiblly.
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katethegreat 207 desperate attention whore postings
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12-14-03, 12:26 PM (EST)
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41. "RE: Battle for Lil" |
OK - I respectfully disagree, but I don't have the time to rewind and replay the episode in question. However, my memory is that Rupert et al thought they had a solid Drake plus Lil alliance going against T and Darrah. What Sandra overheard was considered "later in the game" strategy by her and Rupert - she heard the boys bragging that they had Lil in their pocket. She was thinking, When it's down to six, they are going to turn on us big time. Rupert planned to grill Lil to ensure that there was no alternative strategy yet in play, which Lil (deceitfully) agreed (yes, no alternative, still us six against Morgan). Right before TC, Rupert meets with Sandra, Christa and boys on beach to also get their re-affirmation - yeah, we are taking out Darrah tonight, right on, fist hits, hand shakes, etc.Sandra throws a vote at Jon for two possible reasons - one: she hates Jon (does a vote "hurt" a psycopath?), and/or two: when it is six left, if it is a tie, maybe another prior vote could hurt Jon. I don't believe at all that Sandra knew it might be a four-four tie. She has always believed Jon's lies - he is apparently very persuasive. IMHO. Also, Sandra's vote made no difference, since 5-2-1 or 5-3 is the same result. I just don't think she ever considered that it might be 4-4, and in fact, that was never a real possibility, since Lil was always going to vote with Jon and Burton.
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SaphireLady 2491 desperate attention whore postings
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12-13-03, 01:37 AM (EST)
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16. "RE: Battle for Lil" |
I happen to like Lil. She did not say she could not lie, she said she did not like to lie. AS for all this garbage of her telling those two jerks that she was in with them, she was, fully, till they started showing her their true colors. They thought she was so dumb that they could show her how mistrustfull they were and she would stay. Be honest, if you saw the people you were in an aliance with tell lie after lie with out batting an eye you would start questioning everything too. As for getting hard questions, there is not a person on that jury that did not lie and deserve to have hard questions thrown at them, including Rupert, and I like him but he too would have deserved some hard questions, like his little fit throwing. I really would like to see a Darrah/Lil final two.
A PheonixMon Original
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JanetSTL 74 desperate attention whore postings
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12-13-03, 01:48 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: Battle for Lil" |
I love Lil!! I usually don't post on the spoiler board but I feel I need to now. I think Lil has played a great game , and I totally agree with you SaphireLady, Lil said once she saw they would screw over Darrah what would stop them from screwing over her. She played it smart by going to the other women and booting Burton. I hope she wins, oh and I really don't see what the big deal is about Darrah, I don't like her...sure shes cute but I don't think she would've lasted this long if she hadn't won all those immunities. Just my opinion though. I would rather see Sandra in the F2 than Darrah. I just can't understand why there is so little face time for Darrah in all the episodes, maybe it's because CBS would have to put in subtitles to translate what she is saying (joking). 
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings
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12-13-03, 02:34 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Battle for Lil" |
> oh and I really
>don't see what the big
>deal is about Darrah, >but I don't think she
>would've lasted this long if
>she hadn't won all those
>immunities. That is exactly the reason I think Darah does deserve to win. She has won all those immunities. She didn't always sit back and do nothing. She got out there and saved herself when she had to. Sandra certainly didn't do it in the challenges. Everyone does what they have to in order to save themselves. Some people compete, some lie, some try and make themselves useful. Others fall into the right alliances.
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JanetSTL 74 desperate attention whore postings
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12-13-03, 04:02 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: Battle for Lil" |
Interesting point. I'm still rooting for Lil though.
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Tiggertramp 3141 desperate attention whore postings
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12-13-03, 02:21 AM (EST)
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18. "Who betrayed who??" |
Lil Betrayed Burton?? Please!!! I think I saw Lil's name on Burton's voting ballot, which would mean he betrayed her as well. "Let's vote out Sandra, because Lil, you are going to the final 3" Now, he used Jon to help reinstore this fact, but BOTH he and Jon talked to Lil and told her that they were final 4 for sure, or final 3. So, Burt's a bit hypocritical there. They all betray each other, it's how the game is played.
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brvnkrz 20491 desperate attention whore postings
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12-13-03, 12:39 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Who betrayed who??" |
Please don't get me wrong, I am NOT a Burton fan at all. I too was screaming about what a jackass he made of himself in talking about Lil's betrayal, but I did read somewhere(I'm sorry I read so many boards that I can't remember where I read it)that he was not going to vote for Lil until he heard whispers around the camp that she may betray him, and that is when he decided to vote for her. I agree that he may have seen what an ass he made of himself by saying that and this was his own form of spin control. However, I just thought it was worth mentioning that he had made this comment.
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Tiggertramp 3141 desperate attention whore postings
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12-14-03, 02:41 AM (EST)
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32. "Lil may be BRILLIANT" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-14-03 AT 02:42 AM (EST)Okay, I see your point about Lil being whiney about lying, but it could be a BRILLIANT strategy! "I am the frail, menopausal, scout leader who is 50 something, goes to church, doesn't lie, and gosh darn, I don't feel comfortable with all of this scheming stuff..." What a GREAT play!! What a better cover than a perfect grandmother type to backstab, lie and cheat everyone? What if she is an amazing ocsar award winner here? What if she has more balls than Susan Hawk?? Hmmm??? It would be the mother of all twists/big lies! And it would never happen, at least this time around, cuz Lil ain't got the Chutzpah (sorry my Jewish friends If I spelled it wrong). 
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brvnkrz 20491 desperate attention whore postings
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12-14-03, 11:04 AM (EST)
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36. "RE: Lil may be BRILLIANT" |
Let's be honest, they all lied and they all backstabbed. I just don't understand how any of them could whine about the others doing exactly what they did. And I'm with you, I can't stand whiney people either. Funny thing is, Burton is whining more than Lil is at this point but he hides it behind a deep voice(opposed to Lil's high pitched whine) I think that when Burton got to LL they should have given him some good cheese to go with his whine. Lil's backstabbing of Burton is Burton's fault plain and simple. Had he been a better liar and not made Lil feel insecure about their alliance and had he not been so arrogant with everyone else, Lil probably wouldn't have switched alliances like she did.
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brvnkrz 20491 desperate attention whore postings
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12-14-03, 11:58 AM (EST)
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40. "RE: Lil may be BRILLIANT" |
Oh I agree with you 100%. That was perhaps one of the dumbest moves I have ever seen in all seasons. His arrogance got in the way of his judgement and most definitely cost him.
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DaBulldog 9 desperate attention whore postings
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12-14-03, 11:54 AM (EST)
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38. "RE: Lil may be BRILLIANT" |
The only thing is, Lil never told us, while being interviewed in front of the camera, that she was attempting to pull the wool over anybody's eyes. Just like Jon, Sandra, Rupert, etc.......always did. Lil isn't attempting to fool anybody. She is just a whining little lady.
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