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"S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Keep the spoiling here or on the preview vidcaps thread until the West Coasters have a chance to see the episode!

Thanks

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 Posting early so that... IceCat 11-26-03 1
   Calm? LookeeLoo 11-26-03 5
 RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... mistofleas 11-26-03 2
 RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... PepeLePew13 11-26-03 3
   Happy Birthday! PhoenixMons 11-26-03 8
   RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... Bungler 11-26-03 9
   RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... Goooey_Alley 11-26-03 13
       Live feed pinchy 11-26-03 16
           RE: Live feed jasonx 11-26-03 17
           figures! PhoenixMons 11-26-03 20
               :) :) :) :) PhoenixMons 11-26-03 44
 Oh my gods, this is amazing!! mistofleas 11-26-03 4
 RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... Blow by Blow 11-26-03 6
 RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... Bungler 11-26-03 7
   RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... mistofleas 11-26-03 10
       RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... Bungler 11-26-03 12
   RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... volsfan 11-26-03 100
 RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... jasonx 11-26-03 11
   The Old Nova Scotia Feed? IceCat 11-26-03 14
 Hello to everyone! volsfan 11-26-03 15
 RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... MandyM 11-26-03 18
 RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... volsfan 11-26-03 19
 RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... volsfan 11-26-03 21
   Someone dumped the fish in the wood... volsfan 11-26-03 22
       RE: Someone dumped the fish in the ... volsfan 11-26-03 23
           Yeppers volsfan 11-26-03 24
               RE: Yeppers jasonx 11-26-03 25
               RE: Yeppers LookeeLoo 11-26-03 26
               RE: Yeppers Loree 11-26-03 27
               RE: Yeppers shancock1 11-26-03 29
       RE: Someone dumped the fish in the ... flower 11-26-03 28
           RE: Someone dumped the fish in the ... Skipp_NOLA 11-26-03 32
           RE: Someone dumped the fish in the ... volsfan 11-26-03 33
               RE: Someone dumped the fish in the ... Loree 11-26-03 40
                   RE: Someone dumped the fish in the ... volsfan 11-26-03 99
                       RE: Someone dumped the fish in the ... gofrank151 11-27-03 160
 What a detestable little man... IceCat 11-26-03 30
   RE: What a detestable little... Skipp_NOLA 11-26-03 35
   RE: What a detestable little... TechNoir 11-26-03 41
   RE: What a detestable little... Kokoro 11-26-03 42
   RE: What a detestable little... SurvivorBlows 11-26-03 50
   One word... Taboo LookeeLoo 11-26-03 78
       One word... Taboo Goooey_Alley 11-26-03 94
   Survivor SmackDown! moonbaby 11-26-03 82
   don't hate the playerr.... shakes the clown 11-26-03 96
       RE: don't hate the playerr.... mistofleas 11-26-03 106
       RE: don't hate the playerr.... tielerdurden 11-26-03 114
           complete BS! shakes the clown 11-26-03 120
               RE: complete BS! PelicanPete 11-26-03 129
               RE: complete BS! Citivas 11-26-03 142
                   RE: complete BS! lroy 11-27-03 151
                       RE: complete BS! Citivas 12-06-03 172
           RE: don't hate the playerr.... udg 11-28-03 169
       It is a flawed strategy... IceCat 11-26-03 138
           RE: It is a flawed strategy... Corvis 11-26-03 141
               True... IceCat 11-26-03 145
                   RE: True... Corvis 11-26-03 146
           Ice cat, you're too smart... shakes the clown 11-27-03 155
               Before this season, I'd agree... IceCat 11-27-03 157
                   disagree completely shakes the clown 11-28-03 171
       RE: don't hate the playerr.... Fweep 11-26-03 140
   RE: What a detestable little... strid333 11-26-03 132
   RE: What a detestable little... Devious Weasel 11-27-03 166
       oops... IceCat 11-28-03 167
 RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... TechNoir 11-26-03 31
   RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... flower 11-26-03 34
       RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... volsfan 11-26-03 36
           RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... volsfan 11-26-03 37
               RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... volsfan 11-26-03 38
                   RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... pinchy 11-26-03 39
                       RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... NTK 11-26-03 43
                           RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... Skipp_NOLA 11-26-03 47
                   RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... kary1371 11-26-03 45
                   RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... mistofleas 11-26-03 48
                       RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... brvnkrz 11-26-03 53
                           RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... mistofleas 11-26-03 60
                       Coronation ExInterper 11-26-03 135
 RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... Luminou 11-26-03 46
   RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... kary1371 11-26-03 49
   RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... volsfan 11-26-03 51
 Juicy! PhoenixMons 11-26-03 52
   RE: Juicy! volsfan 11-26-03 54
       RE: Juicy! kary1371 11-26-03 55
       RE: Juicy! volsfan 11-26-03 56
           RE: Juicy! volsfan 11-26-03 57
 IC PhoenixMons 11-26-03 58
   RE: IC mistofleas 11-26-03 59
   btw PhoenixMons 11-26-03 61
       RE: btw mistofleas 11-26-03 62
           well... PhoenixMons 11-26-03 68
       RE: btw udg 11-28-03 170
 Burton or Tijuana? PhoenixMons 11-26-03 63
   voted out:: T PhoenixMons 11-26-03 65
 Tribal Council T GOES volsfan 11-26-03 64
   RE: Tribal Council T GOES lroy 11-26-03 67
       RE: Tribal Council T GOES kary1371 11-26-03 71
       RE: Tribal Council T GOES mistofleas 11-26-03 73
           RE: Tribal Council T GOES samiam 11-26-03 139
       RE: Tribal Council T GOES Kokoro 11-26-03 76
   RE: Tribal Council T GOES Goooey_Alley 11-26-03 69
   RE: Tribal Council T GOES Goooey_Alley 11-26-03 74
 Break volsfan 11-26-03 66
   you deserve a rest! PhoenixMons 11-26-03 70
 T is a fool SurvivorBlows 11-26-03 72
   RE: T is a fool mistofleas 11-26-03 75
       RE: T is a fool kary1371 11-26-03 77
 T? moonbaby 11-26-03 79
   RE: T? kary1371 11-26-03 81
 RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... Naked 11-26-03 80
   RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... jasonx 11-26-03 85
       RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... kary1371 11-26-03 88
           RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... jasonx 11-26-03 91
   RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... volsfan 11-26-03 98
 Question Breezy 11-26-03 83
   RE: Question Loree 11-26-03 84
       RE: Question jasonx 11-26-03 87
           RE: Question Breezy 11-26-03 92
               RE: Question bubsy 11-26-03 108
               RE: Question mistofleas 11-26-03 110
               RE: Question BrassFan 11-26-03 147
                   RE: Question Swami 11-27-03 149
       RE: Question Breezy 11-26-03 89
           RE: Question kary1371 11-26-03 93
               RE: Question jasonx 11-26-03 95
               RE: Question Loree 11-26-03 97
 Random Observations Oscirus 11-26-03 86
   RE: Random Observations jasonx 11-26-03 90
   RE: Random Observations tinybubs 11-26-03 101
       RE: Random Observations Loree 11-26-03 102
           RE: Random Observations pinchy 11-26-03 109
               RE: Random Observations mistofleas 11-26-03 112
               RE: Random Observations Loree 11-26-03 113
           RE: Random Observations kary1371 11-27-03 162
   RE: Random Observations BrassFan 11-26-03 148
 RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... Nanook 11-26-03 103
   RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... pinchy 11-26-03 104
   RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... FFantasyFX 11-26-03 116
       RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... jasonx 11-26-03 122
           RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... FFantasyFX 11-27-03 152
       RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... Nanook 11-26-03 124
 RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... PelicanPete 11-26-03 105
   wrong again shakes the clown 11-26-03 107
       RE: wrong again abbahammer 11-26-03 117
           He acted well enough anotherkim 11-26-03 121
       RE: wrong again J Slice 11-26-03 119
           RE: wrong again Bebo 11-26-03 128
               RE: wrong again PelicanPete 11-26-03 130
               RE: wrong again frisky 11-27-03 154
                   RE: wrong again katethegreat 11-27-03 158
               RE: wrong again gofrank151 11-27-03 161
   RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... Nanook 11-26-03 111
       RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... PelicanPete 11-26-03 123
           RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thr... jasonx 11-26-03 125
 RE: S7 - EP10 Another Random Though... Rothschild 11-26-03 115
   RE: S7 - EP10 Another Random Though... abbahammer 11-26-03 118
       jonny fairplay and what dan? jasonx 11-26-03 126
           RE: jonny fairplay and what dan? abbahammer 11-26-03 127
               Secret Alliance Between Sandra and ... abbahammer 11-26-03 131
                   RE: Secret Alliance Between Sandra ... jasonx 11-26-03 133
                       RE: Secret Alliance Between Sandra ... abbahammer 11-26-03 134
                   that theory Oscirus 11-26-03 143
                       RE: that theory abbahammer 11-26-03 144
                           RE: that theory FFantasyFX 11-27-03 150
                               RE: that theory Naked 11-27-03 156
                   RE: Secret Alliance Between Sandra ... 1derfool 11-27-03 159
                   RE: Secret Alliance Between Sandra ... dano710 11-28-03 168
               RE: jonny fairplay and what dan? kary1371 11-27-03 163
 VIDCAPS? anyone??? PelicanPete 11-26-03 136
   Bring us, Next Week on Survivor lroy 11-26-03 137
 Excellent episode Loquatrix 11-27-03 153
 More Random Thoughts LookeeLoo 11-27-03 164
   RE: More Random Thoughts kary1371 11-27-03 165

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11-26-03, 07:12 PM (EST)
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1. "Posting early so that..."
... those who worry about such things can feeling calmer before the show begins.
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11-26-03, 07:25 PM (EST)
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5. "Calm?"
not sure if anything can keep me calm about this episode. It's a squirely on for sure!

LookeeLoo

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11-26-03, 07:12 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
LAST EDITED ON 11-26-03 AT 07:13 PM (EST)

Nothing to report except...

I'm first, I'm first!!

*smooches IceCat*


--is making bread pudding as she types

Edited to say...damn you Icey!!

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3. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Hi all! Keep this birthday boy happy tonight with lots of goodies and tidbits to tide me over until I get home after my night class!

Have fun carving up the show...



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11-26-03, 07:28 PM (EST)
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8. "Happy Birthday!"
Hey Pepe, it's your birthday!
We gonna party like it's your birthday...
We gonna drink Bacardi like it's your birthday...
Cause we don't give a **** cause it's your birthday!

Courtesy of rapper 50 Cent's "In Da Club" intro.

Darn internet keeps kicking me off every 70 seconds as per the old days (I had a good 2 or 3 months with no net troubles. Did I mention how much Belgian Phone/net service STINKS????)...barely get time to click one thing before it freezes up

I will be re-clicking and re-logging-in like a mad woman tonight. I just found out today that stupid military network is still showing Survivor on FRIDAY NIGHT for us! UGH! I have to wait 2 whole days to see Survivor now. Stinks.

But happy birthday! And hey, did you take nailbone hostage or something? Why does he appear to be in your sigpic?

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11-26-03, 07:28 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
It's your birthday, Pep? If so, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, you turkey. ;)
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11-26-03, 07:40 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Le Puff... Le Huff... Le Pant... Le Breathe'... Le Gasp... Le Birthday... Le Pew...

Ze Mademoiselle

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16. "Live feed"
the sound works this week (so far)

"did you hear the news?" (gag WOF)

MMS://199.218.4.68/10TVLIVE

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17. "RE: Live feed"
woohoo, Wheel of fortune
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20. "figures!"
it would start working again now that my internet connection is on the fritz - oh well I can watch about 20 second spurts every 90 seconds or so. Sucks, but it's better than nothing I suppose. Oh why can't the internet gods shine down on me right now...I need to watch Survivor, don't they understand?????
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11-26-03, 08:30 PM (EST)
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44. ":) :) :) :)"
OMH! It's working now...internet hasn't worked in like a week and now when I need it most it's working. Thank you internet gods

Yeah now I can help with the spoiling!!!!!!

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4. "Oh my gods, this is amazing!!"
There's a chevy commercial on TV! It's advertising a 2 ton truck! In Texas!

Who woulda thunk it?

*giggles*


--says happy happy birthday to Mr.Stinky *le pant, le flirt*

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6. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Thank god. I've just confirmed there's no Smallville tonight. Now the wife and I won't need to have a battle royale over the VCR. As with last week, I'll be stuck watching this on tape late tonight (after pies and cranberry sauce are done). I'm so sad to be missing the updates here and the lively discussion since you'll all be in bed by the time I tune in.

Happy Thanksgiving and enjoy tonight's show!

-P

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7. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Since I don't want to disturb the regular flow of East Coast updates, I'll take this early bird opportunity to pop and say hello to all my good ol' SBlows pals!

And I hope to be back to full-time action for S8, although since I'm now on the West Coast, I won't have Thursday night vidcaps up like I used to.

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody!

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10. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Sweetie! We've missed you so much!

*waves happily at Bungler*

How's the West Coast sugar?


--misses the Bungle guy

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12. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Hi-o, darlin'

The West Coast is expensive. My rent here is 4 times what it was back in the Midwest. Yikes! Maybe I need to start selling some Bungler booty on Sunset Blvd. just to make ends meet. *tee-hee*

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100. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
LAST EDITED ON 11-26-03 AT 09:36 PM (EST)

We miss you Bungler!

SWOOP! I got it! SORRY MISTO!

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11. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
I wonder if there is anybody from the FAR east coast in canada? ie: Newfoundland, which is half an hour ahead of the East coast (EST)?

they should be starting their survivor right about now...

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14. "The Old Nova Scotia Feed?"
Newfoundland telecast begins at 9:30 local; Nova Scotia Telecast begins at 9:00 pm local. Net result, the Eastern Timezone telecast at 8:00 pm is the first telecast, regardless of how far east you live.
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15. "Hello to everyone!"
Hey everyone! HAPPY BIRTHDAY PEPE!

I am worn to a frazzle of all the hoopla this afternoon. I don't have one single finger nail left!

I can't wait!

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18. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Happy Birthday Pepe and WELCOME BACK BUNGLER! I really appreciated your vidcaps over the seasons and have missed them this year (I don't post on Spoilers except for the East Coast Spoilers thread so this is the first opportunity I have had to thank you for all the effort you put into them)

Woo Hooo.........6 minutes to go, I can't wait!!!!!



MM Maybe this world is another planet’s hell

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19. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
WOO HOO! Previously on SURVIVOR is over....BRING IT ON!
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21. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Jon told Sandra that she had ridden Rupert coat and that tail just left!
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22. "Someone dumped the fish in the woods"
LAST EDITED ON 11-26-03 AT 08:10 PM (EST)

The fish were dumped in the woods and everyone is blaming Christa! OMG! Did Rupert do this?

ETA: Sandra did it!

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23. "RE: Someone dumped the fish in the woods"
Family visit rewards...we are being shown all the tears and hugs right now.
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24. "Yeppers "
LAST EDITED ON 11-26-03 AT 08:16 PM (EST)

Grandma died! Jon says he has to win in order to get more info!

ETA: The friend walked up and Jon says, "How's Grandma" and the friend goes, "HUH?" Jon asks and again and the friend goes..."she died dude"!

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25. "RE: Yeppers "
yeah i thought BL was the fish for a moment
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26. "RE: Yeppers "
Jon and Buddy were whispering pretty softly. Makes me think Jon has been talking about Grams and setting this all up.

LookeeLoo

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27. "RE: Yeppers "
If this is the Big Lie, most of us guessed it. And Sandra getting rid of the fish isn't that surprising either.
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29. "RE: Yeppers "
Looks like we found the BIG LIE...Jon is a piece of s##t!!! I knew I hated him for a reason!!
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28. "RE: Someone dumped the fish in the woods"
ya think this is the big lie??? sandra didn't exactly lie but she ain't tellin the truth either!!!
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32. "RE: Someone dumped the fish in the woods"
John is the worst actor! Totally the big lie.
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33. "RE: Someone dumped the fish in the woods"
Sandra is goin after Johnny BIG TIME...I don't think there is any way they have an alliance of any kind...maybe a hate alliance!
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40. "RE: Someone dumped the fish in the woods"
Sandra may have been the only one that didn't believe Jon. I am still surprised they didn't suspect this. I wouldn't have trusted Jon. Shame on Jeffy for believing it.
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99. "RE: Someone dumped the fish in the woods"
I wish Jiffy would have brought it up at TC!
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160. "RE: Someone dumped the fish in the woods"
Jiffy did bring the grandma thing up at t.c. it isnt his place to point out the lie, only to give Jon a chance to hang himself.

his acting over it at t.c. was actually very good, unlike the acting at the challenge... it was so obvious it was staged I couldnt believe nobody knew it.

-gof

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30. "What a detestable little man..."
Such a cheap theatrical trick, Jon...

Utterly despicable...

A weasel...

A shallow characature of a human being...

I so look forward to the day that this little creep is sent packing!

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35. "RE: What a detestable little man..."
Vote him off so he can go see granny! God I hate him!
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41. "RE: What a detestable little man..."
I look forward to the day he is struck by lightning. He is a detestable excuse for a human being ... total scum.
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42. "RE: What a detestable little man..."
What a jerk. I've never thought of him that badly before now. That was just utterly disrespectful to life in general and to those such as Tanya and Jenna who have actually had to experience terrible news within the game. What an a--hole.

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50. "RE: What a detestable little man..."
Only freaking ass "Johnny Fairplay" would have a "best friend" named "Thunder Dan"

Time to grow up guys...

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78. "One word... Taboo"
You don't lie about death...

LookeeLoo

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94. "One word... Taboo"
Yes! And he even swear just to avoid Burton being voted out! Karma!!! It was too unfair 'cause Jon informed his friend about this before they left! He even planned it!!!
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82. "Survivor SmackDown!"
Sandra looked like she didn't buy the granny story-and when she finds out for sure it was faked Jonny better run and hide.
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96. "don't hate the playerr...."
...hate the game!

What's wrong with you people....its a friggen game show and the point is to do whatever you can to win it. What John did tonight was the single greatest move I've ever seen on a reality show, Survivor or otherwise. It was practically a work or art.

Learn to respect a beautiful, creative play and stop being such wusses. Its friggen tv for god sake!


GO JON!


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106. "RE: don't hate the playerr...."
Only you Shakes my sweet would see Jon as a hero! *grin*

I've never said it wasn't a smart move...just that it's...it's well...slimey.

Personally, I'd rather have some good thoughts about myself than a million dollars, but then that's just me.

mistofleas --love the frikkin clown

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114. "RE: don't hate the playerr...."
I don't know how brilliant this move is. The only immediate benefit was that he got to spend a day with his boyfriend "ThunderDan". In the long term, i doubt it means anything. Are any of the jury members, if it comes down to it, really going to vote for Jon simply because his granny died? Not likely. Well maybe Lill will vote that way, but that is it. Then again if jon is in the final two it will be with Burton, and in this case Lill would vote for Jon anyway because Burton would have betrayed her. I'll say this it is easily the most Machiavellian move in Survivor History.
However, this is not "just a TV show". Sure he may win, but he is a scumbag for doing this. His grandmother is a real perosn, not a writers creation. To lie about her death to gain favor is just despicable. You don't make a mockery of the death of a loved one. Survivor will end and eventually the money will be spent, but he will have to live with his actions. You don't make light about it. Ever.
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11-26-03, 10:14 PM (EST)
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120. "complete BS!"
>I don't know how brilliant this
>move is. The only immediate
>benefit was that he got
>to spend a day with
>his boyfriend "ThunderDan". \


...then you must've missed the part of the show where he used the "swear on my dead grandma" thing to sway Christa and Sandra to vote out T. Seems like an "immediate benefit" to me.

In the
>long term, i doubt it
>means anything. Are any of
>the jury members, if it
>comes down to it, really
>going to vote for Jon
>simply because his granny died?

...no, but the way he used the dead grandma thing at TC to show everyone how "the game has changed for me now" and "3 days ago I could've backstabbed these people but not now" could very well help him out in future vote decisions. As far as the final 2 goes, we'll never know cause its pretty obvious by now who the final two are and he isn't in it.


>However, this is not "just a
>TV show".


...sure it is! That's all it is, nothing more. Nothing you do or say there matters in real life in the long run...trust me on that one.

Sure he may
>win, but he is a
>scumbag for doing this.

...no he's not, he's a brilliant player for doing it.

His
>grandmother is a real perosn,
>not a writers creation.


..sure she is, but the dead grandma IS a writers creation..and Jon was the writer.

To
>lie about her death to
>gain favor is just despicable.

....to me, its beautiful.


>You don't make a mockery
>of the death of a
>loved one.


..why not? Who cares? Unless you are going to argue that its non-disputable that karma rules all of our lives then why can't you "make a mockery of the death of a loved one."

Survivor will end
>and eventually the money will
>be spent, but he will
>have to live with his
>actions.


...guarantee you 100% that the money lasts ALOT longer than any reprecussions he will face for his actions.

You don't make light
>about it. Ever.


...maybe you don't, but that doesn't make it wrong for others. I'm just mad at myself cause I didn't think of it first.

Truly brilliant!


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129. "RE: complete BS!"
>guarantee you a 100% that money lasts a lot(two words, not
>one!) longer than any reprecussions he will face for his
>actions.

I have read that Tina's mil is already gone after less than 2 YEARS!

P.S.(to shakes) Stop trying to pick apart other people's posts for whatever reason you're doing it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions so stop bullying others about their opinions. Yes, you're entitled to yours to, but there are much nicer ways to do it than to counter every quote in someone's post with your own obnoxious comment.

In Colleen's words: "Play fair, be nice"

-PP

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11-26-03, 11:20 PM (EST)
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142. "RE: complete BS!"
>>I don't know how brilliant this
>>move is. The only immediate
>>benefit was that he got
>>to spend a day with
>>his boyfriend "ThunderDan". \
>
>
>...then you must've missed the part
>of the show where he
>used the "swear on my
>dead grandma" thing to sway
>Christa and Sandra to vote
>out T. Seems like
>an "immediate benefit" to me.
>
>
>In the
>>long term, i doubt it
>>means anything. Are any of
>>the jury members, if it
>>comes down to it, really
>>going to vote for Jon
>>simply because his granny died?
>
>
>
>...no, but the way he used
>the dead grandma thing at
>TC to show everyone how
>"the game has changed for
>me now" and "3 days
>ago I could've backstabbed these
>people but not now" could
>very well help him out
>in future vote decisions.
>As far as the final
>2 goes, we'll never know
>cause its pretty obvious by
>now who the final two
>are and he isn't in
>it.
>
>
>>However, this is not "just a
>>TV show".
>
>
>...sure it is! That's all
>it is, nothing more.
>Nothing you do or say
>there matters in real life
>in the long run...trust me
>on that one.
>
>
>
> Sure he may
>>win, but he is a
>>scumbag for doing this.
>
>
>
>...no he's not, he's a brilliant
>player for doing it.
>
> His
>>grandmother is a real perosn,
>>not a writers creation.
>
>
>..sure she is, but the dead
>grandma IS a writers creation..and
>Jon was the writer.
>
>To
>>lie about her death to
>>gain favor is just despicable.
>
>
>
>....to me, its beautiful.
>
>
>>You don't make a mockery
>>of the death of a
>>loved one.
>
>
>..why not? Who cares?
>Unless you are going to
>argue that its non-disputable that
>karma rules all of our
>lives then why can't you
>"make a mockery of the
>death of a loved one."
>
>
>
>
>Survivor will end
>>and eventually the money will
>>be spent, but he will
>>have to live with his
>>actions.
>
>
>...guarantee you 100% that the money
>lasts ALOT longer than any
>reprecussions he will face for
>his actions.
>
>
>
> You don't make light
>>about it. Ever.
>
>
>...maybe you don't, but that doesn't
>make it wrong for others.
> I'm just mad at
>myself cause I didn't think
>of it first.
>
>Truly brilliant!
>
>
>
>
>

So by your twisted logic -- which is perfectly sound in a world devoid of moral or ethic -- we should look at the guys who ran Enron as heros? They are still all rich and out of prison. They won the game, right? Doesn't matter that they broke a bunch of laws doing it or screwed thousands of employees and millions of investors, because the goal was to get the most money for themselves as possible, so they are winners, right?

Jon could be the smartest guy on the planet and win the million (which he won't), but that doesn't make it cool to admire his approach. If you think so, you strike me as the type who will cheat on taxes as long as you think you can, or who would keep a wallet even if you saw the person drop it. An any means that justifies the end, and the end is always measured in $ kind of person... I'm sure it works for you. I just hope you don't have kids to pass your great values onto, because we have enough criminals already...

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11-27-03, 00:42 AM (EST)
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151. "RE: complete BS!"
Survivor is a game Enron is real life.

~lroy

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12-06-03, 11:51 PM (EST)
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172. "RE: complete BS!"
>Survivor is a game Enron is
>real life.
>
>~lroy


Oh, I get it now. Thanks for clearing that up... So as long as it is a game, ethics, morals or generally decent conduct don't apply? So we shoudl admire football or baseball players who use steroids to win because it's a game not real life? Survivor is intentionally a game with few rules of personal conduct. That doesn't mean we should admire those who take the easy, low route of lying and sliming with complete abandon... The idea that someone CAN do something (i.e. there is no rule that says you can't) is not the same as SHOULD. It is possible to get far in the game without being like him so why not save the admiration for those who get there the hard, but less slimeball, way?

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11-28-03, 11:15 AM (EST)
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169. "RE: don't hate the playerr...."
>I don't know how brilliant this
>move is.

There is no other way Jon could have won that reward without pissing EVERYONE off. Not only did the people who lost not get to spend time with their family/friend, but they also got stuck on that other island with NOTHING for 24 hours. Any other scenario would have left a lot more animosity. As it was, pretty much everyone (except Sandra) felt like it was worth the sacrifice to let poor Jonny hear the details of granny's timely demise.

---
UDG
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11-26-03, 11:00 PM (EST)
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138. "It is a flawed strategy..."
He has failed to realize that the producers would certainly attempt to contact his family and thus discover the lie. He even made it easy for the producers by confessing/bragging on camera.

Now, if Mr. Playfair had any real insight into the show, he would have realized that MB is a Machiavellian SOB who will make absolutely certain that John's 'beautiful, creative play' is subsequently exposed to the other players.

All it would take is a quick emergency production meeting during filming to change prize in the next reward challenge into a video from home starring guess who? Yup - Dear Old Gramma Playfair herself.

It is a virtual certainty that John will be outed and John should have recognized this flaw in his plans.

A work of art?

More like a fatal mistake!

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141. "RE: It is a flawed strategy..."
We already know that they don't find out about in the context of the game. Jeffy P said as much in interviews. Like Shakes, I think it was a brilliant move too.

However, Jeffy P also said that it has no effect on the game which almost certainly means Jon doesn't make the Final 2.

Corvis

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11-26-03, 11:41 PM (EST)
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145. "True..."
I had forgotten the quote where JP says that all of the contestants were still not aware of the lie.

Keep in mind that JP subsequently denied that Jon was the liar which could have been (or the reporter retracted the statement) which has the feeling of a leak control by CBS.

The statement attributed to JP about the contestants not knowing about the lie could also be leak control. JP and MB have both told some pretty bold faced whopers to try and preserve a surprise.

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146. "RE: True..."
Good point. I admit it would be a helluva lot more fun to see the lie come out.

Corvis

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11-27-03, 02:56 AM (EST)
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155. "Ice cat, you're too smart..."
...to make such a dumb statement/argument.


>
>Now, if Mr. Playfair had any
>real insight into the show,
>he would have realized that
>MB is a Machiavellian SOB
>who will make absolutely certain
>that John's 'beautiful, creative play'
>is subsequently exposed to the
>other players.

...there is NO WAY Burn-it would "out" Jon for his lie...for a number of reasons. For one, I guarantee he thought it was brilliant when he saw it happen and truly admired Jon for adding a new wrinkle to his stale game/show.

Further, the producers want/need to encourage the contestants to ve honest and forthcoming in their confessionals...otherwise, they would never get any quality sound bites. If MB started having JP openly rat out the contestants for stuff they told the production crew in "confidence" then the net result would be to have contestants start to edit themsevlves during confessionals..it would end up looking like BB2 where all the contestants knew that the jury was watching the show so they just kissed each other's ass in the diary room. Not very good TV...and after all, MB's main goal is to entertain.

Thirdly, to "out" Jon would basically sign Jon's walking papers for that episode. That would constitute the produciton crew openly tampering with the outcome of the show. Another no-no that MB tries to stay away from as much as possible. Sure, JP will ask some leading and insinuating questions at TC, but how on Earth could he ask Jon about the lie without completely outing him in the process?

The point is, look at the way JP hyped the lie before the season even started. That just tells you how much MB/JP loved the strategy and couldn't wait for America to see it. You watch, when reporters ask MB/JP about the lie now they will praise Jon relentlessly.


>

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11-27-03, 06:53 AM (EST)
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157. "Before this season, I'd agree..."
'... That would constitute the production crew openly tampering with the outcome of the show. Another no-no that MB tries to stay away from as much as possible...'

Ever since the travesty that was the return of the outcasts, I believe that MB actively works to try and change game play. Further, the accusations of tampering go right back S1 with the Stilman lawsuit.

MB should change his initials to BM (for Bunim Murray). The rules for Survivor have devolved into something resembling Paradise Hotel and I think that says a lot about Mr. Burnett's obsessive need to control the show.

The key clue to MB's response to Jon's 'Big Lie' is the editing last night. MB showed the bare minimum of the Jon/Dan visit to reveal the lie and to reveal the hubris involved. Then immediately after that very short sequence, Thunder Dan was placed back on the boat and sent home. The standard boring sequence invovlving discussions about life back at home (blah, blah, blah) shown on every season of the show was abruptly truncated. The symbolism of that editing decision is just as strong as the image of Osten's torch lying in the dirt.

If a contestant had pre-arranged for a family member to smuggle some sort of a resource (food/water/matches) onto the show in order to achieve some sort of advantage over the other contestants, MB would see this as cheating and would modify the game in order to punish the offender. Jonny Playfair and Thunder Dan conspired to have Dan smuggle a piece of theater onto the island instead of a piece of food. Dan's actions constituted direct assistance from outside the physical confines of the game. Jon's ruse about the dead grandmother would not work if he did not have the assistance from another party.

MB's controlling nature would not allow him to even consider praising or condoning Jon's actions. MB's resentment over a contestant breaching the seal around the closed environment of 'his game' is a guarantee. His controlling nature will force him to interpret Jon's actions as cheating because Jon basically got one over on him. Something will happen in the course of the game that will allow the narrative of MB's own retribution to unfold. It will, of course, be "the game" the catches Jon out but there will be some little editing clue that will be MB's signature. The stylistic equivalent of the Emperor's thumb pointing down, if you will. MB's ego won't allow him to let Jon get away with it.

I will agree with you in one important respect... the Big Lie has certained re-ignited my interest after it had waned substantially in the wake of the 'invasion from loser lodge'. MB knows how to hype anything to boost ratings whether it be a big lie or a small granola bar and I would imagine that next week's episode will have the highest ratings for the season to date. They've hyped it to boost ratings because that's what producers do... they hype their shows to get ratings. Notice that it was JP that did all the talking in hyping the lie. The were no comments from MB on the subject. If MB comments, it will be after Jon is gone and the comment will be a simple, smug truism about cheaters not prospering and how 'the game itself' ultimately undid Jon's 'little plan'. I predict that MB will not offer a single word of praise for Jon - his ego won't let him. If I'm wrong Shakes, I'll eat yer pointy little hat!

MB will not be able to resist making sure that he gets the chance to finally show who's the boss on his show. Ultimately Jon's demise will be depicted as a form of righteous retribution. The narrative of the game's 'revenge' upon Jon will unfold because MB's ego will not allow Jon's successful breach of the game environment to go unpunished.

I think this often used MB quote from S2 would sum up MB's mood over the issue:

'... separate the fuckers...'

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171. "disagree completely"
...not only can I guarantee that MB won't out Jon for his lie, but I also am pretty certain that MB knew about the lie in advance and actually went out of his way to help Jon fasciliate it.

The way I see it Jon probably bragged about his plan in the confessionals leading up to the Family visit RC...because you know they do those confessionals beforehand where they ask them about how much they miss their family and friends. Do you think it was just coincidence that Jon's loved one was the last one introduced at the reward challenge? I don't. What better way for MB to build and sustain the drama than to wait till all the other loved ones were introduced before springing Jon's suprise on every one. Also, didn't you think it was odd the way JP made sure that everyone knew what Jon and his buddy were talking about? And if you noticed, JP's tone wasn't really one of concern, it was almost as if he didn't really want to bring it up, but knew it was something he had to (was told to) do.

I think its pretty clear that MB not only loved Jon's plan, but also helped him pull it off.


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140. "RE: don't hate the playerr...."
Go Shakes!

It was underhanded, dirty, rotten and fricken brilliant!

It made me think this person may actually be a player, to have the forethought to actually think ahead, know if you get to a certain part of the game that you will have your family or friend visit you and plan what will go down when it does happen?

Brilliant.

Granted it may only have won him that challenge, but somewhere in the back of my mind I can't help but ask myself if when he said "I swear upon my grandmother..." if that had some final affect on Sandra and Christa's agreement to vote Tiajuana off. Even if he didn't say that, did it play into their decision to trust him at that point?

Brilliant.

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132. "RE: What a detestable little man..."
Totally agree, only you still called him a man, and as a result he is still a member of the human race, on those terms. He should be chewed up and be made dog food. That is what he is fit for.


Rupert is the perfect Survivor.

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166. "RE: What a detestable little man..."
A weasel...

Hey!

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167. "oops..."
That should have read crap weasel...
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31. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Wow, the Big Lie is amazing !!!


Merry Tu B'Shevat

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34. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
jon is the liar???...lying about his grandmother dying??
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36. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
It is down to Johnny fairplay and lil. Burton choses to allow Johnny to go with his friend! Johnny wins
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37. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Johnny and his buddy go back to camp. The others have to go to a totally different island for 24 hours! WOW!
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38. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
CONGRATS MISTO! You did it! Jon just admitted he lied!

HAIL TO MISTO! STOTY!

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39. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
M--F!!
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43. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Sandra will say more than that!
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47. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
I hope she finds out soon. That would be the best yet.
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45. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Now I get why JP call him a M.....f.....! And I totally agree. I hope they send him home soon, I can't stand him no more!!!!!!!!
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48. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
You should have seen me, I was jumping around my living room as soon as he said "how's grandma?"

I knew it!

I must admit a fair amount of happiness at Jon's despicability!

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53. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Misto, you are my Survivor spoiling hero. I think the season after ASS should be all of the awesome posters on this spoiler board. That would be a great Survivor season.
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60. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Heh! There's no way I would write the name Veruca, BrownRoach, Krautboy, Webby...

I'd never win!

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135. "Coronation"
Sorry I couldn't be here in real time to present (my folks computer is no where near the TV and this was the first time tonight I was able to pry my brothers away from it), but I believe that you can finally claim this, my queen:

All Hail the Great Unraveller!

ExI bows and scurries off into the night.

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46. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Jon is a classless sleazebag.


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49. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Sleazebag's the word!!!
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51. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Sandra is working T and D BIG TIME...telling T that she is goin to be a target because of her strength!

Burton and Johnny go out at night to chat. Sandra wakes T and takes with her to listen in on their chat! OH NO! Burton is saying that Lil, Jon and Burton are final three and T and D are only top 5. Now T is telling D that the boys are takin Lil and not them! WOW...lots of plotting in this season!

On to immunity!

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52. "Juicy!"
Sandra tries to convince T and D that they are not in as good a position with the boys as they think. Sandra sees that Burton and Jon are goin goff to talk later that night and she tells T to come with to eavesdrop. They hear the two of them talking about Jon/Burton F2 and Jon/Burton/Lill F3, stringing D and T along for 4/5. T tells Darrah they need to regroup!!!!
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54. "RE: Juicy!"
WOW Christa first out, T second, Jon third, Burton wins immunity!
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55. "RE: Juicy!"
NO! Burton is out!
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56. "RE: Juicy!"
Jiffy can't spell LIAISON and now Burton is booted.

The three left are T, D and Lil. They give them three new words and they have to start all over!

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57. "RE: Juicy!"
Lil got 10 right
D got 14 right
Sandra got 12 right

D wins


I messed up T was out!

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58. "IC"
unscramble "Survivor Pearl Islands" to form 20 new words (like Boggle)

you have to spell

Christa
T
Jon
all out for mispellings and using plurals

he awards IC to Burton but he spelled Liaison wrong (mising second I)

Now the contest is between Lill, Darrah, and Sandra for IC and a new game with 3 new words....didn't catch it all but I believe it's timed.

Lill got 10
D got 14
Sandra got 12

Darrah wins IC! OMH!!!!!

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59. "RE: IC"
The look on Burton's face was classic!

Jon looked like he was gonna puke.

Good.

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61. "btw"
This is the one IC I'd be sure to win were I on Survivor I kick A$$ at Boggle and unscrambling words I love this IC!
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62. "RE: btw"
I'm with you Phoenix, I love boggle, though my mom would be the woman to beat...she's vicious.
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68. "well..."
she's never played against me, now has she? I'm normally a REALLY nice person, but when I play games (particularly ones requiring critical thinking/knowledge/puzzle-solving) I am a force to be reckoned with. I've seriously been BANNED from playing games at people's houses because I get to into the game and get POed when I lose puzzle/strategy type games....REALLY POed. I hate losing!
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170. "RE: btw"
Heh heh. I think I'd do reasonably well on that one, as well. One of my favorite online games is Text Twist. http://games.yahoo.com/games/downloads/tx.html Of course, typing quickly comes in handy as well. I don't write very fast (legibly) at all.

---
UDG
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63. "Burton or Tijuana?"
D and T want to oust Burton
Christa and Sandra want to oust Burton
Jon weasels his way to getting Sandra and Christa to think about voting out T (at least I think it was T they were talking about..missed some of the words due to "buffering" )

Who will it be?

Crap/carp I just missed the voting! dam* buffering!

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65. "voted out:: T"
Burton: 2
T: 4
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64. "Tribal Council T GOES"
Burton, T, Burton, T, T, T
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67. "RE: Tribal Council T GOES"
How dumb are these people??? They finally get an chance to boot Burton and they take out T!?! What the...

~lroy

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71. "RE: Tribal Council T GOES"
I'm sooooooooo with you on that one! I was thinking, come on, 4 against B/J/L!!!!
How stupid can you get!!!
And now they show Lill mignt wake up next week!
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73. "RE: Tribal Council T GOES"
They're all still listening to Jon, that's their problem.

He's playing the "I've changed cuz of grandma" card pretty damn hard.

Stoopids, they all need rocks thrown at them.

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139. "RE: Tribal Council T GOES"
Purple rocks? *grin*
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76. "RE: Tribal Council T GOES"
I think it was the right move. T and D obviously wanted Christa out next so Sandra and herself would've been indefinitely screwed that way, whereas at least this way they have a chance of A.) Getting sheepish Darrah on their side or B.) Relying on Burton being pissed at D's betrayal.

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69. "RE: Tribal Council T GOES"
Greatest GUFU!!!!
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74. "RE: Tribal Council T GOES"
Damn It!!! Dumb, dumb, dumb!!! Now, I think Darrah deserves to win this game. When they had a chance, they didn't boot Burt! Too dumb!!!
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66. "Break"
Guys...I am goin to let my fingers rest! I will check back in a few!


GO VOLS!

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70. "you deserve a rest!"
I think maybe it's the live feed (a delay/lag) but man you were burning me up every time and I was hitting enter right as I found out the TC votes!
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72. "T is a fool"
Knowing you already had four votes (hers, Darah, Sandra, and Christa) why the hell did he bother even telling that snake in the grass Jackass Fairplay that they were going to vote out Burton?

What did she think he was going to do? What did she have to gain -- you can't try and plan two votes ahead to get Christa, and it's not like she probably couldn't have gotten Christa anyways (herself, Lil, and Darrah would have at worst formed a three-three tie, and it's highly unlikely Jackass would have saved Christa, at that point he'd just be looking to get his own ass to the Final 5.)

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75. "RE: T is a fool"
Sandra got greedy. She wanted Burton crushed the way Rupert was crushed.

Again I say...stoopid.

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77. "RE: T is a fool"
LAST EDITED ON 11-26-03 AT 09:06 PM (EST)

Anyways, just thinking Jon could be F3, it gives me nightmares!! (Flashbacks S6!)

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79. "T?"
What the.....?!?!?!?!? Now we know for sure fish is brain food.

Cable went out here just as the show started but I found the antenna. Hooray for rabbit ears! Jonny A--play looked no more appealing with white squiggles and snow covering him

The preview has Lill questioning Burton's loyalty.

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81. "RE: T?"
Just a comment for Lill :
DUH!!!
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80. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
What in the world just happend? How does a T boot make sence? What kind of dynamics are going on here... The real question is do I even care... This series is taking a really strong dive downhill since the Rupert vote. Everyone left is either fools or despicable.

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85. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Once again, Johnny fairplay steals the show

why is T voted out?

the conversation with sanrda and christa: "i swear on my grandmother...VOTE OUT T, and keep bert"

he is really using it to his advantage!!!

can i say, the best show of the season so far?? (because of big lie and sandra/fish incident drama) along with surprise boot (T)

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88. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Did you see Ruppert's face when Sandra told about the "incident" at TC?!?
When she said : They wanted to eat Ruppert's fish.... but couldn't LOL
It cracked me up!
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91. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
no man, that must've been sweeet
i gotta rewind that...
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98. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
I agree NAKED...but I have never seen as much plotting in all SURVIVORS EVER!
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83. "Question"
Did Jiffy see the footage of Jon and his buddy before that TC?
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84. "RE: Question"
I was wondering if Jeff knew at TC too. I'm guessing he didn't know yet or he may have questioned Jon more to put him on the spot.
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87. "RE: Question"
he probably did, or knows about it...they know everything. reward challenge was day 28, TC was night 30...

so i am sure MB knows so does jiffy but they cannot reveal it to them at tribal council, cause Jon can do whatever he do to outplay his opponents. i bet today is the first time the survivors know about the BL.

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92. "RE: Question"
I would love to be with one of them tonight, just to see the look on their faces.

This lie actually makes me wonder more if the final voting is live at the end.

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108. "RE: Question"
so THAT'S why he was in worcester, mass tonight at an AHL hockey game, he wanted to be away from all the survivors. lol
i'm not kidding, he really was at the Worcester Ice Cats hockey game tonight. He skated around a lot and handed out the tshirts. yes, johnny fairplay icestated...
it wasn't pretty.
the announcer even called him johnny fairplay. lol

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110. "RE: Question"
I've been speculating about a live vote for a while now. That way you can have the "reget" be part of the "lie".

I know, don't be mad dweezel honey, I brought it up again, I'm sorry!

Since JP said that he didn't think most of the survivors knew that the lie was a lie (at least until the show aired) it would have been brilliant to have the final vote be live. BUT since JP also said the lie doesn't impact the game, that would mean that Jon is NOT F2 and therefore his lie doesn't come into play.

Until they all come down on him at the reunion show. That's gonna be fun.

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147. "RE: Question"
>This lie actually makes me wonder
>more if the final voting
>is live at the end.

Having a live vote at the reunion show would be terribly unfair. It would put the final two under more scrutiny than anyone else.

This would be a perfect example of why *NOT* to have a live vote. He made a move that is, within the context of the game, a brilliant move....but, if he's in the final two, and the vote comes after everyone found out...it totally changes the complexion of the game.

I hope they never do a live vote for the finals...but then again, I never thought they'd bring evicted players back either....


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149. "RE: Question"
I said this a long time ago. At the live show, I think they will have the Survivors each read the vote they made at the final TC. That is--their vote was cast then, but they will reveal it in a face-to-face format during the live show. This preserves the integrity of having the vote reflect the gameplay as it unfolded, while adding the drama of letting the jury members "confront" the Final Two live. Jiffie would tally the votes into the order he wants for maximum impact just like always. This would be fun!


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89. "RE: Question"
Do you think he'd come right out and ask Jon about it, or just kind of push around the edges of the lie? That way Jon can't say Jiffy screwed him.
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93. "RE: Question"
Personaly I think he is only going to beat around the bushes, kind of getting him stuck, without saying anything, but that Jon will feel the heat!
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95. "RE: Question"
he cant really say it directly to the survivors...i mean, they'll just be like WTF u're full of it Jiffy.

then what can Jiffy say? "well we have everything on tapes, u'll see it when it's aired"...

whereas, why not just keep his mouth shut, and let them see for themselves tonight on TV?

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97. "RE: Question"
Yes, I just want Jeff to say enough to let Jon know that he knows what Jon did. Let Jon feel the heat and wonder if Jeff will say too much and put him in big trouble with his tribemates.

I am guessing that most of the Survivors had figured out by tonight what the lie was. If they heard the promos like us. They would probably know. Burton even seemed to know it hadn't happened yet at one point. So Jon could have been questioned about this by some of the players.

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86. "Random Observations"
What an A hole Jon is lying about his dead grandma but it was brilliant using it when going to get sandras vote I thought Jeff said that wouldnt affect the complexion of the game Jiffy u r either a moron or a liar i think its the latter

What did t think she was doing revealing her plan like that this is the time to keep your mouth shut

looks like we all know who is number 6 on the list for this week Jon is a really good strategist if not for that one despicable act of his hed be one of the better player
Will wwe want to touch this guy after this episode

Looks like Burton is about to blow it and lil is Brutus to burtons ceasar

Does Darrah ever do anything by herself or was she a tj a__magnet

Pretty good plot by sandra to get rid of the fish too bad she wound up putting all the attention on Christa still pretty funny watching poor christa get

Is it just me or does it seem like every time a morgan thinks or tries to be stragetic they get themselves voted out

Its going to be an interesting reunion

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90. "RE: Random Observations"
darrah is a dummy.

JP: darrah u wanna give up immunity?
darrah: meh.

JP: darrah, you miss your bf?
darrah: meh.

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101. "RE: Random Observations"

>Its going to be an interesting
>reunion

The reunion is the only thing worth looking forward to. I agree with a previous post that everyone left is either clueless or a sleazeball.

I wonder how the audience will react to Jon, will it be forgotten by then if he's voted out or has he established himself as the ultimate dirtbag?

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102. "RE: Random Observations"
I want to see how Christa reacts to Sandra. Letting Christa take all the heat for something Sandra did. And then Sandra even brings it up at TC and talks about how someone dumped the fish. She does have her nerve.
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109. "RE: Random Observations"
did Sandra actually say she did dump the fish, or was she just commenting on the fact that no one blamed her, and if they had, she'd be going in 3 days? (my audio on the computer isn't very loud). At least it looked like Burton knew that he was blaming the wrong person.

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112. "RE: Random Observations"
Sandra said she picked it up and tripped over a vine. After it all dumped out and they were all blaming Christa, she kept her mouth shut about it. She knew what she was doing for sure.

Did she plan on dumping the fish? I think she said she was planning on moving the bucket farther in so it was harder to find but tripped and dumped it instead. She didn't want them eating Rupert's fish.


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113. "RE: Random Observations"
Sandra told the camera she dumped the fish. But she never admitted it at TC. She was talking about how "someone" had dumped the fish.
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162. "RE: Random Observations"
I think Sandra's comment at TC about the fish, was for Ruppert... somehow... he reacted when she said people wanted to eat "his" fish but couldn't... and she needs him on her side if she makes F2...
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148. "RE: Random Observations"
>What an A hole Jon is lying about his dead grandma
>but it was brilliant using it when going to get
>sandras vote I thought Jeff said that wouldnt affect the
>complexion of the game Jiffy u r either a moron
>or a liar i think its the latter

Personally, I don't think this changed the COMPLEXION of the game at all. Jon was hardly the first person in Survivor history to lie in order to influence someone's vote. Sure it was a huge lie, and guaranteed to work, as long as he and his buddy played it right....But, that's the way Survivor works....lie, cheat, steal.....

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103. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
OK someone please tell me why the fvck Sandra and Christa voted for Tijuana? What kind of logic is this? HELLO!! Is the opportunity to get rid of Burton going to come again?
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104. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
10,000 (messages on Spoilers forum)

Wahoo!

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116. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
I seem to remember a certain Kim Johnson beating Lex and Ethan in the final immunity challenge. And while Colby had a long immunity streak, Keith had the Colbster beaten twice if he wouldn't have been such a putz (I'll never forget the key challenge they did in the darkness, *slaps head). I really don't think Burton is going to go on a long Immunity run, but I may be very, very wrong, I admit.

Christa and Sandra are in classic Scylla and Charybdis situation. There are two groups: T and Darrah; Jon, Burton, and Lillian who want them out. If they get rid of Burton, T & D will realign with the others to evict Sandra and Christa. Now that they've gotten rid of T, if B/L/J stick together, the best they can hope for is a tie. You can stick a fork in them either way. I actually think the latter option, the one they choose, was the right way to go.

Jon promised Christa and Sandra that Lil will be the next to go (yeah right). Can't wait to see how the next episode plays out.

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122. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
this is why, in the previews, you see bert saying to lil, when asked if they're still a final 2, he replies, "i dunno"

cause they really DO plan to vote her out just to keep their promise...but of course that shouldnt happen, so we'll see what happens and who goes

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152. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
If Jon & Burton really do decide to keep their promise to Sandra and Christa, they've gone insane. Besides Sandra, who has committed some gaffes over the last two weeks but still is fighting hard (Hail Sandra! Queen of the Eavesdropping!), these are the only two that seem to truly have a grip on what is going on in the game.
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124. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Thank you for that explanation. At first I thought Sandra and Christa were being complete idiots, but now it's making a lot of sense.
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105. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
LAST EDITED ON 11-26-03 AT 09:44 PM (EST)

Darn! All T had to do was keep her mouth shut and Burton was a goner!!! What in the world was she thinking? *MEMO TO TIJUANA*, when you've got 4 out of 7 votes you don't need anymore! Only one Morgan left to root for (Lill isn't a Morgan). *shrugs*

I realize that you should take every advantage you can to advance in SURVIVOR but heck(in Neleh's words), you've got to draw the line somewhere Jon! Sorry but that's just sick! Go home (in Jiffy's words to Osten)and join your Grandma in her Jerry Springer viewing because you're not worthy to be on SURVIVOR! Sorry for the rant but sheesh, maybe they should listen to Sandra more often when she's bashing Jon, because she's probably right.

Anyway, I will definitely miss Tijuana because I was a Morgan from day one and she was one of my favorites from that tribe and overall. Can't wait to see T on the Jury. Sad to see you go.

Maybe Sandra will get Darrah on the right track and hopefully Balboa will vote out the mighty Burton next. BTW, congrats to Darrah on her IC win! Bring home the mil girl!

-PP

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107. "wrong again"
>I realize that you should take
>every advantage you can to
>advance in SURVIVOR


...apparently you don't.

but heck(in
>Neleh's words), you've got to
>draw the line somewhere Jon!


....short of physically asaulting someone, there iS NO LINE!


> Go home (in
>Jiffy's words to Osten)and join
>your Grandma in her Jerry
>Springer viewing because you're not
>worthy to be on SURVIVOR!

...after what he pulled off tonight, there's never been anyone more worthy of being on Suvivor.

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117. "RE: wrong again"
>...after what he pulled off tonight, there's never been anyone more worthy of being on Suvivor

You think? It just goes to show that the people left aren't very bright. He isn't a very good actor. He reminds of Hutch from Joe Schmo. Not very believable.

But, if it came down to Lil or Jon, Jon would win, lie or not. It was for reward. Didn't really affect anything.

What I thought interesting was how good Sandra was at hiding her booting of the fish. I almost thought this was going to be the big lie. It puts a target on Christa. Somehow I feel Sandra and Jon have a secret alliance. It would be an interesting strategy. Make people think you hate each other. Have people think of voting the other, then come up with a reason why someone else should go.



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121. "He acted well enough"
too fool them, save Burton and last another three days. He wasn't going for an Emmy. If he sucked at it, then that just makes the others the Schmos in this scenario.


--it was loathsome, but damn good outwitting

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119. "RE: wrong again"
I concur, Mr. Spinning-Clown-Head.

Jon = slimy = best playa ever.

Not that I like him, but damn, that was smart.


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128. "RE: wrong again"
Sheer brilliance. Jon was playing the game before he even got on the island. I want to hate him, I really want to hate him, but I can't because it was just too damn good. As loathsome as he is, I must applaud that he's playing the game. I'd much rather watch his machinations than endure idiots rolling over and playing dead, or handing the million to someone else by just following along with the strategy of the moment.

Tijuana and Sandra both made stupid, stupid moves tonight. Tijuana forgot the lesson that Nicole had taught the Morgans on day 3 - when you've got enough votes lined up against someone else, SHUT UP. And Sandra, after saying over and over and over that she doesn't trust Jon, takes his word and chooses a final 4 with him over one with T&D.

And it looks like Burton makes a stupid move next week, by not being willing to lie smoothly to Lil and say that of course they're still final 2. Maybe that gullible old Scout will finally wake up and play the game.

We really do have guidelines here. Believe it or not, the Guidelines make things more fun. Really.

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130. "RE: wrong again"
I agree. It was very smart on Jon's part but he's still got a stranglehold on that last spot in my Favorite's List because it was a wicked and sickening thing to do.

In my own opinion
-PP

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154. "RE: wrong again"
I agree this was a brilliant move. It did more than win him a conjugal visit with his buddy. It softened him to his tribemates. They saw what they thought was another side of Jon. I thought he pulled off the grief thing very well.
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158. "RE: wrong again"
I agree that Jon's move was clever. Also, it is funny as hell that he got away with the lie! And it exposes how naive some players are (like Lil). You bashers are taking this way too seriously. If I went on Survivor, I would swear I was playing for my sick child long-term health care needs. Why not? Now, it would be bad luck to use a real child's name, but I could always make one up!

Anyway, Jon is the best player in this season - he can change people's minds, stir up #####, align with everyone and anyone each and every week. And most players tell us on the Early Show that they liked him! So there's more to Jon than we are being shown.

Yes, I loved Rupert, but you can't win this game without lieing and scheming, and Rupert was too honest and loyal for that.

Jon has only lost out on one scheme, when Trish was booted. Otherwise, he's been in the thick of the boot plot, and I respect him for that, even if he isn't my style for a friend. It is a game, after all. It is just a game! (OK - a game on national t.v., but still, it's a game, and all is fair).

P.S. And, no, I am not for the Enron exec's who stole real people's money in real life. Jon hasn't hurt a single person by lieing.

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161. "RE: wrong again"
My first thoughts were to agree with you. I was pissed that Burton didn't go tonight. When it looked that way, I couldnt wait for tribal council... Mostly I wanted to see Rupert's face when Burton went.

What was T thinking going to Jon? I think there is more at play than we were allowed to see. I think Sandra and Christa must have good reason to think Jon will really boot Burton. And honestly, I think Jon will stab him in the back soon. Who knows.

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111. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
>Darn! All T had to
>do was keep her mouth
>shut and Burton was a
>goner!!! What in the
>world was she thinking?

What was it T said that got her voted off?

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123. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
Nanook, Tijuana told Jon her plan to vote off his ally Burton when she already had the majority votes for TC.

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125. "RE: S7 - EP10 East Coast Update Thread "
that is the second dumbest move in survivor 7

the first was nicole mouthing off

mouthing off gets you no where unless you ARE jonny fairplay

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115. "RE: S7 - EP10 Another Random Thought"
Did Jeff tell Burton's mother, she had a fine son ????

Foreshadowing 101
Editing 202

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118. "RE: S7 - EP10 Another Random Thought"
No. Jon did.


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126. "jonny fairplay and what dan?"
what his dan's nickname? anyway they look like love buddies for a moment...
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127. "RE: jonny fairplay and what dan?"
I agree. Perhaps why there was so little footage while they were alone.

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131. "Secret Alliance Between Sandra and Jon"
I mentioned this alliance last week during the East Coast update, but no one really replied. I think this secret alliance is likely and makes good sense strategically.

Each one can target someone and manipulate others. Sandra brought T to overhear what Burton and Jon were saying. Jon knew this was going to happen (pre-arranged) and mentions that Tijuana will be a target after Christa. Sandra tells T they are targeting the strongest man Burton. Sandra, throws out the fish and makes it look like Christa. Their 2 targets.

No one makes a decision by themselves in this game. They look to others to agree with. Christa voted for T because her and Sandra agreed to vote that way.

Together Jon and Sandra can target the other players without them knowing, guaranteeing final 2.

Please be kind...



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133. "RE: Secret Alliance Between Sandra and Jon"
ok

first i do think the fish incident was not on purpose (the fact that she dropped it rather than did it on purpose)

i see your point in that sandra calls t to hear the conversation thing, but remember last ep when sandra hears bert and jon talk about voting out rupert? that did not look like on purpose...sandra has got rabbit ears..she really goes out there and hear things.

so she REALLY might have heard them going to the bushes and REALLy want T to hear at that time?

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134. "RE: Secret Alliance Between Sandra and Jon"
Yes, but what sense was it to vote for Jon last episode knowing everyone else was supposed to be voting Darrah. This guaranteed Rupert's boot.

If she truly thought this way, why didn't she target Jon today rather than going for apparently Burton.


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143. "that theory"
doesn't hold water because if they were in a secret alliance then why would sandra call out jon after tc in front of everybody that makes no sense if she needed that to reach the final 2 she would do everything to keep that fact away from everyone
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144. "RE: that theory"
Really. Then why did she not take the opportunity this week to vote Jon out and why did she spoil her vote last week?

Calling Jon out in front of everyone keeps the Hatred myth going. Did you notice that there was little detail show between Jon and his buddy. Jon really only said ..."Final two man.."

He didn't say who he was aligned with.



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150. "RE: that theory"
Abbahammer --

I'd like to believe your theory, but I can't. Markopolo has posted numerous insider clips that show that Sandra's hatred of Jon is very, very real. You have to understand that her vote last week was not to try to get him out, but to "send him a message" (note to future Survivor contestants -- never use your vote to send someone a message). She thought the Drake alliance plus Lil would hold strong and vote out Darrah. She knew he wasn't going to leave, she just wanted him to sweat a bit.

This week, she decided to target the obvious threat for an Immunity run rather than base the group's pick on her hatred of Jon (Plus, why would T & D target Jon? They have nothing to gain from that, as they did from a Burton boot. Heck, they even thought that Jon would be a good long-term ally. Idiots. :p ). The dynamics of the game simply haven't allowed Jon to be targetted these past two weeks.

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11-27-03, 04:32 AM (EST)
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156. "RE: that theory"
The dynamics of the game simply haven't allowed Jon to be targetted these past two weeks.

It's not a coincidence that Jon hasn't been booted out because of game dynamics. He is orchestrating dynamics that place him in a position to be safe. He is a very smart player. I personally don't like his game, but it's a winning strategy so far.

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11-27-03, 07:28 AM (EST)
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159. "RE: Secret Alliance Between Sandra and Jon"
I'm thinking the same way.
She's just too vocal expressing her dislike for Jon, she is almost pushing it down our throats, like she's making sure she convinces us.

There's an interesting 'unseen alliance' theory on DEENA'S DOCKET: E9

"Certainly we know that at least one other player has it in for Jon. Did my eyes deceive me or did Sandra not cast a vote for the weasel? I am a bit baffled. Her main power point, Rupert clearly planned to oust Darrah. All were told to vote ccordingly which would have resulted in a tie with Rupert and Darrah. But with Sandra voting for Jon, Rupert would have been voted out anyway. I think she is planning ahead, way ahead, to the finals. I think she might be playing both sides better than Jon. There is a secret deal somewhere that we do not know about. Perhaps Sandra was allowed to cast a vote for Jon to protect her from the wrath of Rupert should the plan fail. I don’t know, really, I do not know. But if you take last week’s episode of Sandra wanting to get rid of Rupert with this week’s vote, something is clearly going on."

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11-28-03, 04:21 AM (EST)
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168. "RE: Secret Alliance Between Sandra and Jon"
Dear Abbahammer ...
You are a genius! This has to be true ... From the beginning, they have made their dislike for each other very public ... And almost too over the top ... If Sandra and Jon could say from Day One that it was the two of them and then go their seperate ways, making sure that one of them formed "alliances" with one half of Drake, and the other formed "alliances" with the other half, then both of them would always be safe ... Then when they got to the merge, Sandra voiced her opinion on the Christa/Rupert side, and Jon voiced his opinion on the Burton/Lil side, making sure both of their butts were covered ... Why else would Sandra and Christa end up changing their minds to vote with Jon, Burton, and Lil for T ... This is why it makes sense and absolutely ingenious of them ... No one in the history of Survivor has had this secret of an alliance, nor used an alliance in this manner, and it is a brilliant way of playing the game ... Now they will have to go after Burton or Lil to break up that twosome, more likely than not Burton who is the strongest ... Leaving Darrah, who no one is worried about ... I swear that girl is so clueless it's pathetic ... And Christa, who is along with Sandra for the ride ... So Burton is next for sure, unless he wins Immunity, forcing them to get rid of Lil ... But lets say Burton is next ... A couple of things can happen after that ...
~ They will vote out either Lil or Darrah, keeping Christa, who is alligned with Sandra, to make sure Jon and Sandra make the top two, making the Final Four: Christa, Sandra, Jon and either Lil or Darrah ... Christa, Sandra and Jon will then 3-1 vote out Lil or Darrah, leaving Christa to be booted next, and putting them in the Final 2
~ They will vote out Christa, who is more of a physical threat than Lil or Darrah, leaving Sandra, Jon, Lil and Darrah as the Final Four ... Since Darrah and Lil are both idiots and have no relationship whatsoever, they are more than likely not going to realize the Jon/Sandra alliance, nor are they likely to team up in their vote at tribal council, nor are they likely to win any Immunities, leading to smooth sailing to the Final 2

As always, it is going to depend on Immunity ... I've read in other spoilers that Darrah and Lil are in fact the Final 2 ... Which I can't even stomach to think about ... And am praying is not true ... I really hope to see Jon and Sandra in the Final 2 with Sandra winning but we just have to wait and see ...

Once again, thanks for posting your thoughts ... I am right there with you ...

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11-27-03, 10:47 AM (EST)
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163. "RE: jonny fairplay and what dan?"
Seriously anyways, who wanted to see Jon and his buddy??? With the way he won it and that couples sacrificed reunions for him after he admited he lied???
I agree they did look like a couple though...
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11-26-03, 10:56 PM (EST)
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136. "VIDCAPS? anyone???"
Does anyone have the vidcaps and voice over for next week's episode?

They'd be greatly appreciated if anyone can get them.

-PP

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11-26-03, 10:58 PM (EST)
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137. "Bring us, Next Week on Survivor"
I second that!
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11-27-03, 01:03 AM (EST)
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153. "Excellent episode"
Surely anyone who thought they'd lose interest in the show after Rupert's departure was reassured that the franchise is alive and kicking, after tonight's episode. ::grin::

Sandra + Jon = got game. ;)

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11-27-03, 11:22 AM (EST)
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164. "More Random Thoughts"
PC acted up last night. That was not fun.

Happy Birthday Pepe!

Good to see the Bungler in here!

I really believe that the BL changed the complexion of the game. Sandra and Christa were fooled by Jon's swearing on his Grams, which caused T to be voted out. This changed the complexion. Sure it may not change Jon's outcome, but it sure changed T's outcome and hence the complexion of the game.

I never liked Jon and still dont. However, I do respect his game play throughout the season. But the big BUT is that lying about death in my book is taboo. If he concocted some other lie with his family member I would have respected it (still wouldnt like him).

T screwed up.

Burton is shown as being honest with Lil. Visions of Andrew's honesty conversation with Lil should be floating in Lil's head. Can you say (fool me twice?) I think this will make Lil very angry towards Burton, and I think she will not leave her trust in him for her outcome in his hands.

LookeeLoo

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11-27-03, 11:34 AM (EST)
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165. "RE: More Random Thoughts"
I agree for Lill.
And with the BL, Jon has turned some people around, toward himself, hence I think he is the bearded man reported to have finished 3rd, not Burton. Next 2 weeks booties will be Burton, Christa or Christa, Burton. I would bet on it!
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