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"Final 2 Claim..."
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11-26-03, 05:24 PM (EST)
 
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LAST EDITED ON 12-01-03 AT 08:39 PM (EST)Posted the link from Survivor Phoenix... http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/postnuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=958 SURVIVOR PHOENIX
November 26, 2003 We have learned that the F2 are ... Read more... 
Lillian and Darrah. My OLD COMMENT: *faint* *recuperate for awhile* Darn, I hate this!!! Hope this is not true! It's the fault of the OUTCAST twist! My NEW COMMENT: After some episodes, I'm rooting for Darrah if that's the case, but still I hope it's Christa or Sandra.
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11-26-03, 05:26 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
Lock this thread since Sneezles typed faster.  Oh well...
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11-26-03, 05:27 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
But we've seen this coming for a long time. Snewser's had Darrah picked as the winner from the very start. I'm not saying I like it, but I'm reconciled to the idea of it.
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11-26-03, 05:32 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
Yup... But, should MB learned that he should have edited Darrah with more personality to at least make the audience prepare for her victory? Oh well... Acceptance of the truth (but still hoping it's just a big hoax!)
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11-26-03, 05:51 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
Lock?
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11-26-03, 06:03 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
Yeah, well, I'm betting she wins an IC to get into the finals. More shower scenes - okay, I'll watch. Personality - considering she and RyanO were supposed to be buddies, we saw very little of their conversations. They must have been terribly dull. I can just imagine them: RyanO: So, um, you got a boyfriend?
Darrah: Ayuh.
RyanO: Is it serious?
Darrah: Nahw, tha dawctowrs say itull clahr yup.
RyanO: What?
Darrah: Huh? -P
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11-26-03, 06:30 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
LOL!!!  This time, the shampoos, soap & other stuffs should not block the view to boost her popularity.
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11-26-03, 06:06 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
If it's D and Lil in the final 2, Lil could still be champion...why is everybody disregarding her to win it all, even as an outcast?Ryno - Darrah
Rupert - Lil (still loves her despite betrayal vote)
Bert - Lil (outcast alliance)
Christa - Lil (hates darrah and morgans)
Jon - Lil (alliance)
Tijuana - Darrah
Sandra - Lil or Darrah...who knows what she'll do but the sure votes,
D will get Ryno and Tijuana
Lil should get Bert and Jon...
the other 3 are still unpredictable as of now.
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11-26-03, 06:15 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
No way Lill's going to win. Here's why:Ryno - Darrah
Agree Rupert - Lil (still loves her despite betrayal vote)
No way. She screwed him over and lied to his face. Darrah never promised him anything. Bert - Lil (outcast alliance)
Only if Lill doesn't screw him in a future vote. Darrah hasn't done anything to him (yet). Christa - Lil (hates darrah and morgans)
Maybe. But again, Lill screwed over the Drake+ alliance. Jon - Lil (alliance)
Maybe, but Lill might screw Jon over and I don't see Jon necessarily taking loyalty feelings to the jury. He may be harboring Outcast resentment as well. Tijuana - Darrah
Maybe, if Darrah screws her it's anyone's guess. Sandra - Lil or Darrah...who knows what she'll do
I see her hating Lill for coming back in and screwing the Drake+ alliance. But if Sandra's in final three she may have a chance to change her opinion of Lill. I see Darrah getting votes from RyanO, Rupert, Christa, Sandra (that's enough to win), maybe Jon, maybe the rest.
Kinda depends on how Lill gets to f2. -P
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11-26-03, 06:39 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
Oh yeah! We are down to final 2 spoilers/speculation. Here's how I see the next few episodes. Christa/Sandra are the numerically weaker alliance of the group. One of them should be booted tonight (Nov. 26). John wants Lil OR Burton with him in the finals, and both of them want John. Reasons: John is really annoying and Lil and Burton are outcasts. Contestants want to be paired with these types of players to go to the final two because it gives the jury a reason to vote against their opponent. In fact, these three may want to be in the final three together. BUT, John may feel that LIL is a better choice to go to the final two than Burton. Burton can claim that he was stronger and helped the Drakes more in the challenges, and John has many enemies on Drake. SO, John will try to arrange to go to the Final 2 with Lil, perhaps stabbing Burton along the way. Here is my theorized boot order for the remainder of the season: -Christa
-Sandra (Watch for her to declare John as her "enemy for life")
-Tijuana
-Burton (Desparate, Darrah joins Lil and John to backstab Burton)
-DarrahJohn and Lil Final Two.
IF Darrah is to be in the final two, she has to make a deal with Sandra NOW (tonight's episode). I don't see that happening.
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11-26-03, 06:49 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
It might be a Jenna-Matthew scenario where everybody think Matt will take the million but Jenna boosts her vote in the final IC and her "I need the money" statement in the final TC.But now... Rupert and his angels will definitely not vote for Lil 'cause she screwed them and lied right in Ruppie's face (which what made Rupert hated Trish). Ryno & Tijuana will definitely vote for their strong ally Darrah over the traitor Lil. As for Jon, it will definitely be shaky, 'cause as we see (though I loathe him), he really played the game seriously--taking the risks and doing everything sneaky... so maybe he'll vote for Darrah for her UTR gameplay or Lil being his puppet. (Rob C didn't vote for his puppet Matt.) Burton will vote for Lil 'cause they've gone through same situation. His vote will be out of sympathy. If the F2 is true, I hope that there will be a landslide vote in favor of Darrah... 'cause in the first place (like Ryno and Andrew said), the Outcasts didn't outwit, outplay and outlast them.
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11-26-03, 07:13 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
Since Jon doesn't think with his brain, but lower organs --
Darrah gets his vote.
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11-26-03, 06:31 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
I actually hate the idea of Lil being in the final more than Darrah. As long as MB starts to show more of Darrah in the next few eps we may not mind her winning. She could be hidden for a reason. Maybe she tells the big lie or sets Christa up with the food. She might be playing the game more than MB has let us see. But he wanted to showcase Rupert while he was on. Now that he is gone we may see Darrah surprise us. Or... we may be bored with her and not happy she wins.
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11-26-03, 06:52 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
Yup! Anyone is acceptable... But never the Outcasts!
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11-26-03, 06:35 PM (EST)
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14. "Final 4" |
At http://www.bb4bbq.com/survivor/predict.html. They list the final four as: Darrah, Sandra, Burton, Christa. So is Sandra concerned the older women?
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11-26-03, 07:14 PM (EST)
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20. "All my Posts are Curves" |
Sorry to create a curve ( is this what a nested reply is?? ) on your topic but I cant work out how to post without the post being nested. I would like to vote on this weeks boot without breaking the rules so any help on what Im doing wrong would be great. Thanks in advance On your F4 I think Lill is the older woman in F4. I have rewatched Ep1 to Ep3 and Lill arrives at challenges at the rear of her tribe( interestingly Rupert chooses the same position regularly - last in the boot last on walks etc ) I think this is a power controlling position as you can see all other players and interactions without missing something behind you. Im sure Lill is playing a very controlling game which has not really been shown to date because of her Scout image - but her storyline is definately showing us her true colours some which she may regret Personally I hope your right and it is Sandra who has been shown as WYSYIWYG(What you see is what you get) Cheers
crayZoZ - Cant do those sig things either!!
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12-02-03, 05:42 PM (EST)
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75. "RE: All my Posts are Curves" |
Thank you. Of course - so simple!!
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12-02-03, 11:39 AM (EST)
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67. "RE: Final 4" |
BB4BBQ
http://www.bb4bbq.com/survivor/predict.html
they have changed the final four to: Darrah, Sandra, Burton, Christa.
I don't know how reliable this is since they also list Burton or Christa as the next boot.
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11-26-03, 07:08 PM (EST)
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18. "King Oscar" |
Where are you and how does the sheet metal man feel about blowing $30,000 on Sandra?
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11-27-03, 03:57 AM (EST)
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22. "Darrah will get her face time..." |
I think that Darrah got a wake up call with T's ouster. She knows she needs to make some strong alliances fast and I think we will start to see D come out of her shell next episode. From there until she wins it I think (hope, pray) we see a lot more of Darrah.
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11-27-03, 01:04 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: Darrah will get her face time..." |
You're right - it probably will be Sandra who approaches Darrah, but I hope Darrah does more to consolidate and strengthen the alliance than she has done with past alliances. Phew, I thought I was the only one rooting for her. GO DARRAH!
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11-27-03, 09:42 AM (EST)
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Kokoro,I agree w/ you. SurvivorNews, TrueDorkTimes, and Surv'Phoenix all seem to be settling in on the Sandra, Jon, Lill, Darrah finish. and Lill has at least two strikes against her: Outcast and her wobbly whiney nincompoopness. Burton may be the only one who votes for her since she's a fellow outcast. , if you want to see "slamming", just wait until the Reunion show. I wonder if Jon's big lie is kept secret through the final TC. -- Ra, as fast as light
 
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11-27-03, 12:46 PM (EST)
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28. "Darrah" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-27-03 AT 02:35 PM (EST)Kokoro, I must disagree. Darrah is not an idiot. She won the "Scrabble" challenge last night, and that takes more than just dumb luck IMHO. She is the first, and MAY turn out to be the only, woman to win individual immunity in the Pearl Islands. Even Tina didn't win an individual IC. She would have, but she took one for the team and gave it to Keith. Yes, Darrah will have the very good fortune of sitting next to an "Outcast". But I believe she will win the final IC and make the strategic decision to take Lil. Good for her. Jiffy said on the VH1 special: (paraphrasing) "Everyone that has won Survivor has deserved to win. You may not like them, you may not like how they played, but they outlasted 15 others". Edited to clarify that Darrah was not the first woman in Survivor history to win an individual IC. 
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11-27-03, 01:19 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: Darrah" |
>Kokoro, I must disagree. Darrah
>is not an idiot.
>She won the "Scrabble" challenge
>last night, and that takes
>more than just dumb luck
>IMHO. She is the
>first, and maybe only, woman
>to win individual immunity.
>Even Tina didn't win an
>individual IC. She would
>have, but she took one
>for the team and gave
>it to Keith.
>I also disagree with Kokoro about a lot of things (I actually think Ethan played a BRILLIANT game, after all he got MamaKim to take him to the finals and exit invterviews make it pretty clear he would have BEAT Lex if they were the final two, but that debate is for a different time), but I am not sure what you are talking about no woman winning individual immunity. In the very first season Kelly won the last four immunities, which was the ONLY reason she made the final two. Maybe you started watching in the second season, but I thought this Survivor lore was pretty well known by all big Survivor fans. Jenna also won immunity (I believe she gave it away to Heidi) and also won the final immunity. MamaKim won the final two immunities. Vee won an immunity. Neleh won an immunity. There are probably others I am not thinking of. I don't mean to jump all over you, I am just really surprised by your comment that women have never won individual immunity. As far as Darrah's win, there was quite a bit of luck involved. A lot of others thought they finished the puzzle earlier but under the pressure made a mistake. Her biggest skill was not being able to finish the main puzzle quickly before all but three got emliminated. Then she just had to beat two people. Yes--a win is a win, but it was NOT an impressive win.
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11-27-03, 02:31 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: Darrah" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-27-03 AT 02:45 PM (EST)zzz - I meant in the Pearl Islands, not in the history of all the Survivors. Darrah was the first woman to win individual immunity in the Pearl Islands. And with Christa, Sandra, and Lil as her only female competition left, it is possible that she may win the rest of the ICs, unless, of course, Jon or Burton win. And that would explain just how she does make it to the final 2. Given the final 4 of Jon, Sandra, Lil, and Darrah, I think Darrah will smoke any of those three in a physical/endurance challenge. And possibly a mental challenge.
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11-28-03, 10:07 AM (EST)
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38. "RE: Darrah" |
Sorry--you threw me off with the Tina reference which made me think you were referring to all Survivor series. I guess you just meant that a winner does not have to win immunity (like Tina) and Darrah already won one. Now I see. Sorry again, I got confused.
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11-28-03, 10:24 AM (EST)
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41. "RE: Darrah" |
Darrah is also the one that won the group IC when she drank the disgusting stuff faster than Sandra. Darrah has a good chance against the rest in immunity challenges. She does not have Burton's strength. But once he is gone. She would be in a very comfortable position.
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11-30-03, 11:08 PM (EST)
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43. "Hey zzz!" |
No problem! I did not make myself clear in that first post. My fingers did not type what my mind was thinking! I was rushing so I could help my mom with Thanksgiving dinner.But yes, I think Tina was the only winner that did not win an individual IC. But she did win an individual RC. Come to think of it, it seems as though every final 2 person except Tina won an individual IC. Maybe not Clay, but it seems he did have that ugly necklace at some point. If Lil doesn't win an individual IC, even more reason not to vote for her.
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12-01-03, 08:07 AM (EST)
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47. "RE: Hey zzz!" |
Richard: I10
Kelly: I11,R12,I12,I13a,I13bTina: R10*,R12
Colby: R9,R10*,I10,R11,I11,I12,R13,I13,I14 Ethan: R8,I8,R10*
Kim: R10*,I13a,I13b Vecepia: I11,I13a
Neleh: I13b Brian: R9,R10,I12,I13a,I13b
Clay: I9 Jenna: I8,R10*,I11,I13,I13
Matthew: I9,R10*,R11,R12,I12
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Darrah: I10
Lillian: R9 *Survivor Auction
Note: Does not include any challange wherein the Survivor was given a reward or immunity instead of actually having to do something to win.  
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12-01-03, 09:51 AM (EST)
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54. "RE: Hey zzz!" |
>Jenna: I8,R10*,I11,I13,I13
>Matthew: I9,R10*,R11,R12,I12 You have Jenna down for I13 twice. Is that a typo? ---
UDG
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11-28-03, 01:28 AM (EST)
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36. "RE: Darrah" |
Yes everyone that has the ability to win deserves it in some way, but some more than others, and I don't think I'll ever agree that "The one that wins is obviously the most deserving" as I agree with the other part of Jeff's statement....it's gotten very easy to OUTLAST without doing any OUTWITTING or OUTPLAYING.And really, her win in the puzzle game wasn't all that fantastic. The second round wasn't up to the same level of difficulty as the first in the length of words or in the people she was competing against. Furthermore, of the few comments she's had onscreen, she hasn't come off well. Anyone remember the "I don't actually have any survival skills or anything else that will help us out" speech or the "I'm not lazy, everyone else is just working too hard" rebuttal? Now, if she uses her new position to become the key to the game in the next episode and manages to get someone to take HER to the finals, then I can say she wasn't all that bad, at least not strategically, but it just doesn't seem likely, given what she's done to help herself so far, which has been a big fat unequivocal nothing. Is sitting around waiting for others to pick eachother off a good strategy? Maybe, but can you envision Darrah sitting there thinking "Excellent, it's just as I planned it"? Seems more to me like "I miss my boyfriend. My hair is pretty. I wonder who's getting voted off today, I hope someone tells me soon." * Ah and Ethan....hmmm this probably isn't the time for it, but maybe the validity of his and other's "strategies" would be a good off season topic?
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12-02-03, 06:58 AM (EST)
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66. "RE: How do we get to this final two?" |
>>>>Burton winning immunity would lead to Christa's boot coming first (although why not Darrah, if I were Jon and Burton and owed my survival to this point to Sandra and Christa reconsidering Burton's ouster, I don't know)Agree completely, He. Unless she wins immunity (or is handed it as Jenna was more than once), why not boot Darrah before Christa? It's not only a matter of gratitude from B or J to S/C. In the final 2 it's good to have a more widely-disliked person competing against you, and from what I can see, of the jury, only Rupert would be in S or C's corner. Both S and C are more widely disliked than Deada Darrah, who doesn't seem to have enough personality or life to register with anyone. I'm sick of people who only outlast by sitting back and doing nothing. I'd (almost) rather have a manipulative obnoxious ass like Jon win than someone who just sits there. At least he is actively playing the game, and much as I hate him, he's pretty good at it. (Either that or this bunch is exceptionally stupid and gullible. ) Darrah is not outwitting anyone. If she manages to win, she'll have deserved it even less than Jenna. It would be kind of like if Mama Kim had beaten Ethan (or anyone else in the final 6 in Africa). 
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12-02-03, 01:38 PM (EST)
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70. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
Seems like she has just fell into a way to get rid of the strongest men. Somehow I think it will comeback to bite her big on the butt or bite her big butt lol. She has as much chance to win as her little buddy Skinny Ryan.
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11-28-03, 07:56 AM (EST)
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37. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
Well in a world where we rely on MB editing, we can't fault Darrah and that is where viewers like us get "miffed" It is not so much Darrah, it is the way MB decided to show her to us and perhaps this is all there is to show. In a theme revolving around mutiny, lying, cheating, stealing (and I must say this season had a heck of a lot of it) he chose to go to the footage and broadcast these elements and told his winner's story differently. If Darrah were to be the winner, she did outwit, outplay and outlast; perhaps not to the degree we are accustomed to seeing or want to see but considering the enormous show he put on regarding a majority of these players (I'd say most of these players) and how they were really immersed in what this season was about, Darrah would be the antithesis of same. This in it of itself is outwitting, outplaying and outlasting. After all these seasons, we can't expect the winner to be a larger than life or blatantly strategic or challenge conquerer or a person that we identify with or just even someone we see a story from. Lillian's "story" was pretty much a given (and if not for her return she would not be here anyway) but Darrah did not have the luxury of being a ghost so he could not contrive editing around that like he did with Lillian. Darrah simply had the luxury of being a non threatening female who probably had the intelligence enough to see that staying lower to the ground would further her (as opposed to Nicole's immediate mouth and Tijuana's as well) as well as being flirtatious just enough to have Ryan "protect her" without her appearing like a floozy and upon merger, there have been too many others who are basically slitting their own throats to worry about Darrah. Observation is also key to playing this game, I don't doubt that she didn't observe all this. This IS a strategy; it may just not be the one we wanted to see. According to things about her in articles, she is NOT a wallflower and her intentions going into the game may have been to be more verbal, flirtatious, stubborn, etc. If she observed what is going on around her than I give her credit for adjusting her game play. She is providing herself very valuable right this minute because the others perceive her to be vulnerable therefore they want to utilize her for their own purposes. I don't doubt she will probably win an essential IC and considering who is out there right now, I have no doubt she will (with the exception of Burton and perhaps Christa, who out there is outstanding to win a challenge?) This season has been more than enjoyable to me. I have really invested opinions in these players this season; more so than I have in quite a few seasons. Perhaps that is what he was after this season. I was really disappointed with Rupert's exit; aghast at Jon's longevity, impressed and amazed that Sandra's mouth hasn't done her in yet, disappointed but intriqued over the ghostly twist and so on. In actuality it is no wonder that Lillian and Darrah would make the final two. They have been viewed as nothing to worry about and probably dismissed by the other players and that is those players mistake. I can't blame them for reaching the final two because in this type of game, winning is not just because of what YOU do but what the OTHER players do as well.
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12-01-03, 00:12 AM (EST)
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46. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
oh, i am not, nor is anyone else, i don't think, dismissing an UTR strategy as invalid. what we wonder is whether Darrah is actually utilizing said strategy, or just lucking her way into it. Tina schemed with the best of them on her way to an UTR win; the same may be said for Vee, although I think there was more editing done to hide her in her case. Ethan at least worked Kim J. and struck the right alliance with Tom and Lex, and so even if I would have rather seen one of them win, he wasn't completely undeserving. But Darrah? it is possible she is being as scheming as Tina, or more comparably, Vee, who also had to adapt to being the minority. but it seems exceedingly unlikely right now, and so for now i have to agree with Kokoro (although I'd place her just below Jenna as the 2nd most undeserving winner ever)
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51. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
But at this point in S2, was the audience aware of just how much scheming Tina was doing? I don't recall getting clued into that until much, much later (although me getting a clue is not always an indication).At this point, I'm still reserving judgement. She hasn't overplayed the game (which has been a fatal mistake for two of her Morgan tribemates), but that doesn't mean necessarily that she's just along for the ride. And unlike Jenna, she's not whining about how hard it is and how she wants to go home. She said during Osten's blowoff TC that she'd have to be carried out of there. I agree with Veruca that her story has not been told yet because it hasn't needed to. MB's been entertaining the viewing audience with Rupert and Jon's antics because they have been larger than life characters. And he's been showing us poor play that has led to ousters, starting with Nicole and most recently occuring with Tijuana. There's been other fluff for him to show without giving away his winner just yet. And call me an optimist, but I am confident that Darrah will prove to be a more deserving champion than Jenna once her story is told.  We really do have guidelines here. Believe it or not, the Guidelines make things more fun. Really.
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42. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
Great analysis as usual, Veruca. (what's the story behind that name, btw?)
A UTR strategy is an extremely difficult one because you have to strike a balance between appearing like an easy castoff (like Ryan S) and being seen as too crafty/dominant/annoying/anything else that can get people to vote you out.I never saw Vee as UTR because she had a reasonable amount of screen time, imo. Maybe not many confessionals but I knew who she was a lot more than I ever knew Zoe or Sarah or Erin. Jenna also had a lot of screen time, imo. (I only started watching as of S4) Both of these winners, as I recall, have had more camera time than Darrah has thus far. So, it is surprising that if she is F2 that there hasn't been more shown. Confessionals are but one aspect of the public getting to know the character. Oh, well, I guess I'm rambling now.   whiteribbon
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Ra_8secs 1081 desperate attention whore postings
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53. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
This IS a strategy; it may just not be the one we wanted to see. According to things about her in articles, she is NOT a wallflower and her intentions going into the game may have been to be more verbal, flirtatious, stubborn, etc. If she observed what is going on around her than I give her credit for adjusting her game play.Someone said "no battle plan survives contact with the enemy." I agree 99 44/100% with your astute reasoning. The successful survivors (heck, like most people in socially dynamic environments of life and work) are good at observing, listening, understanding the mix of emotional, physical, and mental actions going on, and using that to their advantage. It's also been said (jeepers, I'm beginning to sound like an old psuedo-wiseman codger who always answers with somebody else's learned words) that you don't get rich just working for yourself, but by getting others to work for you. That's what the well-performed subtle, slightly UTR strategies are doing -- letting the big dogs kill each other off and feel like they are using the UTR one for their purposes. The ill-performed versions of this go the way of Skinny Ryan. The meek shall inherit the Sole Survivorship. (LOL, yet another one.) -- Ra, Spinning in geo/helio eccentric orbit
  
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83. "RE: Final TC" |
There's a new thread over on Sucks about claims (from Andrew
and Shawn) that there are 5 Sue Hawk type speeches at the final tribal council. Everyone over there is trying to figure out who,
and it comes down to a great deal of anger against Lil. Assuming a F2 of Lil/Darrah, here's how we could end up with big speeches:
- Ryan - Goes off on Lil for betraying the Morgans.
- Tijuana - Same thing.
- Rupert - Obviously had a lot of anger whenever he received a vote. Wouldn't be surprised to see him go off on two he considers unworthy to be there.
- Jon - He's all about drama. This is his last time to be able to focus the attention on himself, so it would be no surprise to see him take it.
- Sandra - Given her comments at TCs so far, why should this final TC be any calmer?
- Burton - If he gets betrayed by Lil, he could really guilt her on honor.
- Christa - She hasn't been a shrinking violet so far, so she could really go after folks, especially after being falsely accused and not believed by them. Hmmm...only 5? Could be anyone, really. I'm guessing Ryan and Tijuana are the least likely to go after both players, but could express venom toward Lil.
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12-03-03, 09:42 PM (EST)
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86. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
Creepy... But I remember the final TC where Ted and Helen talked about stuffs and Ted was offended by Clay's quasi-"racist statements." Maybe the production became more strict after that.
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55. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
i'm not sure if i'm just restating something that's already been said above (but oh well).at the beginning of the season -- well, actually, quite a long ways into it. like up until last week -- i wasn't too thrilled with the f2 rumors of lil and darrah. of course, there are still other folks i'd like to see there (sandra and rupert maybe? or even skinny ryan?), but i am becoming resigned to the fact of lil and darrah's success. IMHO if you make it to the end, you do "deserve" it, whether if it's by your own strength and cunning or by the mistakes of others (or by a somewhat dubious twist by producers). i do predict that from here on out we will see more of darrah -- for a number of reasons. first, she is going to have to start winning ICs. to my knowledge, she isn't in a F2 alliance with anyone at the moment, so once she starts winning she'll have to keep it up to keep herself safe. and of course, if she does win ICs, again, she "deserves" to be in the f2. also, while darrah might not be the most exciting castmember (it's a little hard to be this with the likes of jon, rupert, osten, and sandra around, eh?), i think MB will start giving us more details about her. perhaps there's just enough "excitement" to fill the last three episodes. (we can hope). now, as for lil? don't get me started. . .
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12-01-03, 10:58 AM (EST)
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57. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
Why all the hatred for Lil?First off, Survivor has to change some each season, or things get stale. MB made the return of players as fair as possible. He had a 3-tribe challenge and the outcasts won fair and square. you cannot argue that. I think the twist was great, and as the challenge played out they won it fairly. Also, bringing back players - after they won the right to come back - has added a great element to the game. Now, if the spoilers are correct and Lil does make it to the final two - more power to her. Up until now, she definately has played the game better than Darrah (from the little we have seen of darrah, that is). I have no problem with Lil winning and as it stands now i would prefer her over Darrah. geekboy.
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73. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
these comments are probably more "basher" than "spoiler," so my apologies.but i really think the "outcast" thing was a bad idea. not so much because it violated any "sacred" rule about fire, but because it made the outcome somewhat inevitable (ok, so this is, perhaps, the revelance to "spoilers"). In a game where part of the trick isn't just getting to the end but getting the votes in the end, i think the outcast tribe made this ending of Lil and Darrah rather inevitable. there was bound to be an outcast in the F2, because other players, thinking the twist unfair, were going to bring along one or other of them to the end. you can compare the tribe's logic for booting rupert versus keeping burton as a prime example of this! also, by bringing back 2 players, MB created an alliance that was likely to be quite strong -- 2 players who had more reason than the others to watch each other's back, 2 players who would form a pretty solid voting core (and to have 2 "sure" votes gets increasingly important as the game progresses), etc.
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joannie 380 desperate attention whore postings
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76. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
So did the director, or whoever, say, "Darrah and Nicole. Since one of you is voted off first, and the other one wins, both you guys jump at the same time!" How would they know ahead of time who would jump when?
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78. "I don't think anyone is saying THAT!" |
No one is saying MB, on the first day, instructed, "Now, you two girls jump into the water, right here, when I say, 'Go,'" just so he could get a good shot of the first and last players. Rather, some people are speculating that AFTER THE SHOW HAD BEEN FILMED IN ITS ENTIRETY, when they were in the editing room, MB said, "Someone find me a good shot of the first and last place players together," so he could put it in the intro.While that's possible, I actually think that particular shot went in because it hints that a lot more flesh might be shown. When you have girls jumping into water wearing clothes like that, stuff happens. Plus, it makes it obvious how unprepared these castaways were for landing on the islands. Jeans and a t-shirt just don't communicate, "Oh, $#!+, we're screwed," like a strapless dress does. ---
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60. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
There is one reason i havn't given up hope of a sandra win. The "Panama vacation" spoiler clearly states that third place goes to a man with a beard. TDT claims that sandra is in the F3. In order for both of these to be correct, sandra would have to be in the final 2, if not the winner. Either panamavacation, TDT, or pheonix is incorrect, and i REALLY hope it's pheonix that's wrong.
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12-04-03, 02:03 PM (EST)
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89. "RE: Final 2 Claim...Groundbreaker news" |
Okay, I have waited many months to post this and finally my time has arrived. Like I said, I've tried to get on these boards and I kept getting something back about corrosive passwords???? Anyway here I am and I've been sitting on this news for months. Being the huge Survivor fan that I am, I'm about too burst....first post and all...it's a whopper. My family and I moved to LOVELAND, Ohio in August. I have a 14 year old who went to school and met a young man that claimed to be Big Lil's neighbor. My son pumped him for info in late August, early September knowing what a huge fan I am....He said Lil was really not allowed to talk much but that she makes it to F3 when she steps on a fire and burns her foot....He told my son that she complained so much about it that the remaining F2 voted her out. Now, I know they are sworn to secrecy, etc. etc....but We heard all of this in late August. I kept thinking that it was nothing as they are bound by law and all of that and when she got voted off the first time, he stood by his story that she is the third to the last to go.....then when she got back in, I started to wonder about this....it was about at this time that I tried to get membership so I could post on the boards, but kept getting a "corrosive password". I emailed everyone to listen to me....to no avail. Then when I saw that the title of the final episode is "Flame and Endurance", I said m..... f..... (just like Jiffy), perhaps this local news has been right all along. Now I know everyone thinks that the F2 is an older and younger woman...but is this 100%???? Perhaps, due to the burned foot and Lil, believe it or not whining about it, does indeed get the well deserved boot at F3.....Can you imagine a whining, complaining Lil to live with for another 3 days? Just remember, I heard this in LATE AUGUST! Well, I'm all ears, what do you think.....perhaps the bearded man and the younger woman are indeed F2!!!
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12-04-03, 02:16 PM (EST)
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91. "RE: Final 2 Claim...Groundbreaker news" |
Fascinating stuff, Flower. Very intriguing and reassuring as I really don't want Lil in the F2. Doesn't necessarily give credence to the spoiler about a bearded man, though. It could be two women who get sick of her. After all, who wouldn't at that point?
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12-04-03, 02:31 PM (EST)
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92. "RE: Final 2 Claim...Groundbreaker news" |
Welcome, Flowerpower. Forgive me if I sound suspicious.
The younger woman = Darrah.
The older woman = Sandra.
The bearded man with the smoldering foot = Lillian.While I think this "step in the fire" thing ties in well with the title, it doesn't tie in well with other spoilers. It strikes me as a rumor started by Ohio adolescents who remember Mike Skupin falling into the fire. Rightly or not, I'm also suspicious of anyone who surfaces with this sort of claim in their first post. It's hard to imagine sitting on this info since August. Perhaps Webby (our webmaster) can back up the claim about the "corrosive password" and the fact that you emailed about trying to get on here for the past four months. You did state in your message that you "emailed everyone." Perhaps someone will corroborate your attempt. While I think this is the best Survivor board in the universe, we all know there are plenty others, and they are all easy to access. And most have a simple email link that requests info of just this sort without any login or password procedures. In short, if this info were true, which I doubt, I think a fan as eager as you claim to be would have found a way to get it out on the Net before now. If this turns out to be true, I will eat my buff.
These reality show contestants need a reality check!
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12-04-03, 02:45 PM (EST)
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93. "RE: Final 2 Claim...Groundbreaker news" |
Okay Joisey, I hear you loud and clear and understand the skeptism....but, I stand by my post. I too thought they are just 14 year olds sharing a little gossip, then when the kid stood by his claim that she would be back after getting the boot. Still being skeptical myself, the ENTIRE time, I pushed it off.....then when I saw the final title, I said....M.....F....! You can definately check with "Webby" if he'll tell you, I tried getting on the boards first with the name Lilygirl. When I learned of the Final title, I emailed Survivorblows, SurvivorNews, and SurvivorFever all this AM...only one to follow up with me was Survivorfever.....Just ask.Now, as for the news. I did hear all of it in Late August, Early September. I am not saying that it is indeed an older female and a younger female in the F2.....I'm only saying that the "rumor" here is that Lil steps on a fire, whines (now that's a big surprise from Lil), and proceeds to get the boot, just shy of F2. Now, are we 100% sure of the F2 being one older and one younger woman? Or is the F2 a bearded man and a younger woman? If this pans out, it's big news! I can not say 100% that this will happen, I can only tell you what I heard in late August.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings
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12-04-03, 03:51 PM (EST)
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97. "RE: Final 2 Claim...Groundbreaker news" |
Thanks for posting this flowerpower. If Lill were voted out at F3 she'd only be voted out by one person, not both of the F2. And normally the F3 vote follows immediately after the last challenge so she'd have hardly any time to complain. I wonder if there's some misinterpretation -- maybe what happened is that she burns her foot so badly that she is the first to go out in the final IC; i.e. there are still two people standing when she hurts herself. Doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't get picked to go to Final 2 though. Anyway, just throwing out an idea.
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12-04-03, 05:17 PM (EST)
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104. "RE: Final 2 Claim...Groundbreaker news" |
Well, the only thing I can say that I heard is that she is the F3, regardless of who votes her out, or how it happens. If this pans out than the F2 may not indeed necessarily be 2 women. We know that a reliable spoiler has the F3 to be a bearded man, and a younger and older woman....but do we really know for sure that it is the 2 women that advance? What I'm saying is, if this pans out and the older woman goes at F3 then it will indeed be a bearded man and a younger woman in the F2.
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12-08-03, 08:50 PM (EST)
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127. "RE: Final 2 Claim...Groundbreaker news" |
Forgive me for being blunt but... you have no way of knowing that.Frankly, I think everyone on these boards should be hesitant when it comes to believing news that has been diffused by a 14 year old. If it does in fact pan out that way, nice spoiling flowerpower. I will remain skeptical until I see it happen. By the way, despite the similarities in our SNs, I am not affiliated with flowerpower. I don't live in Ohio, nor do I have access to any kind of "spoiler" material. 100% speculation over here.
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12-04-03, 03:53 PM (EST)
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98. "RE: Final 2 Claim...Groundbreaker news" |
I too live in the immediate Loveland area and have a close friend that worked with Lil at Lenscrafters and no such rumor has broken there. With the very strict rules for secrecy I highly doubt that this kind of story, if true, would have gotten out. There was a rumor earlier in the season about a broken foot too and that never panned out.
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12-04-03, 03:32 PM (EST)
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96. "RE: Final 2 Claim...Groundbreaker news" |
>Perhaps Webby (our webmaster) can back up the claim about the
>"corrosive password" and the fact that you emailed about trying
>to get on here for the past four months. You
>did state in your message that you "emailed everyone." Perhaps
>someone will corroborate your attempt. First off, from what I can tell, it was a corrupted ID, not a "corrosive password", LOL... Beyond that I can confirm that she's been trying to get online to post this since mid-October... I've gotten several emails about the her login problems, and after trying several password resets for her, finally discovered this morning that somehow her ID had a corrupted record in the the registration system -- which from what I can tell was the cause of the login problems. Beyond that, obviously, I can't say anything about the accuracy of the her information itself. -SB
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12-04-03, 05:25 PM (EST)
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105. "RE: Final 2 Claim...Groundbreaker news" |
Thanks "Webby" for setting the story straight. I did hear all of this is late August/early September, and like most of you, I was very, very skeptical. So much so, that I disregarded it. Then when Lil was voted out the first time, I said, ha, he was wrong....that loser is gone! Then when all of the rumors about the outcasts coming back, I had serious second thoughts, and that's when I think I really tried to get on the boards and ran into the password problems. Trust me, I would have loved to have gotten this out there a long time ago. I just can't get over the fact that this kid stayed firm and said that she makes it to F3, steps on a fire at some point, burns her foot, complains, moans, whines, etc., etc., then gets the long awaited boot......and he reported all this in late AUGUST. So we can chew it all up, but time will tell..... Personally, I would be ecstatic if it does indeed pan out.....I'd love to see little Jonny Fairplay have a major chance at winning it all.....at the very least, he's got alot of character!
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12-04-03, 02:47 PM (EST)
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94. "RE: Final 2 Claim - "older woman"" |
Maybe we are getting tripped up by the phrase "older woman". WE know Lil is the "older woman" of the show, but to people around at that time, Sandra would indeed be an older woman when compared head up to Darrah, imo.
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12-05-03, 03:14 PM (EST)
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107. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
LAST EDITED ON 12-05-03 AT 03:47 PM (EST)lauriersig wrote on another board:
*"Final 3 Old Spoiler Explanation
*If this has been said, please just lock it..
*however I haven't seen this posted:
*The final 3 spoiler that came out a long
*time ago - young girl, older woman, and
*a "bearded man" was, in my eyes, explained
*last night.
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*The information obviously came from the
*resort that they were at after the reward
*challenge.
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*People at the resort saw Lill, Darrah,
*and Jon and assumed that they were the
*final 3.
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*That settles that, I guess. " This made sense to me. People on vacation, saw these three at the resort and thought they were the final three. Does this Spoil the Panama Vacation Spoiler? Pepe, did you find anything out from the original spoiler information you were going to look for?
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12-05-03, 03:45 PM (EST)
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108. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
That thought actually crossed my mind too... if it's true that this spoils the Panama Vacation Spoiler, then my stake in the office pool is really gonna suffer
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12-05-03, 04:32 PM (EST)
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110. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
I like this thread and everything going on...I have a couple of thoughts1) I do agree with someone that might have seen Lil with a burned foot and dressings that they could possibly mistake that for a broken foot. Those wound dressings used on burns are really big and bulky! 2) I do like the idea of spoiling the spoiler! Great catch and I think there could be something to this! 
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112. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
volsfan,I am liking this thread too. 1) I tend to believe the spoiler info on the burn too. It makes sense. 2) And sorry, it looks like I was wrong with the Spoil the Spoiler. The spoiler overheard a conversation, and they also heard that the man goes, leaving the two women as F2.
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113. "Sandra F3" |
If the final 3 is made up of a bearded man, an older woman and a younger woman, which we think is Darrah and Lil (SP spoiler)and Jon. How does Snewster get Sandra into the F3? Where do we have a F3 of all woman???
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12-06-03, 06:30 PM (EST)
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116. "RE: Sandra F3" |
Here, here Vols, I like the way you are thinking. I am the one that reported about the burned foot, and just to reiterate, I heard this in late August/early September. I'm not certain really about anything but the way it is starting to look to me is: A. one could mistake F2 for the three reward winners last week, older woman - Lil, younger woman - Deaduh, i mean Darrah, and bearded man - Jon.
B. last week the previews really started the big misdirection for Jonny Fairplay..."but Jonny does'nt play fair, and will someone finally bring him down?"
C. Are they setting him up for a surprise boot this week,"Mutiny".....afterall, it is clearly Jonny Fairplay that is calling all of the shots....ex. Burton, could'nt make a move last week without consulting Little Jonny. Jonny is the true Leader.
D. I think Burton just may turn out to be the bearded man in the F3.
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12-06-03, 07:49 PM (EST)
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118. "RE: Sandra F3" |
Maybe she's dissapointedly driving the Hummer around because her daddy bought her that instead of the boob job?I'm still under the belief that Jon will last longer than Burton, because he always weasels (pun intended) his way out of boots, and somehow gets their trust. I think he's likely to do it again up into the F3. Also, i really think he believes that he has the better shot at winning against Deaduh, or Lil in the F2, because they aren't really playing the game, and he could bring that up in the F2 if he got there. Deaduh's dead to everyone (we've heard this in numerous boot interviews) and Lil's been doing a lot of his dirty work (Rupert's boot, Burton's boot, i'm sure) plus her backstabbing up Morgan and the Outcast thing. Therefore i think Jon is setting himself up with both these ladies for his F2 win, but one of them will betray him in the F3, me thinks.  
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Rothschild 496 desperate attention whore postings
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12-07-03, 08:27 AM (EST)
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120. "RE: Sandra F3" |
How does booting Burton equal the "unexpected". It's expected.
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Rothschild 496 desperate attention whore postings
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12-07-03, 07:36 PM (EST)
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124. "RE: Sandra F3" |
Let's go for something really unexpected -- a Darrah boot.
Won't that "spoil" alot out people.
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coolflowerpowerman 456 desperate attention whore postings
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12-08-03, 08:54 PM (EST)
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128. "Sandra = Bearded man? " |
Has anyone considered this possibility? I mean, Burton's out next week and Sandra is more masculine than Jon.
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aethelstan 4435 desperate attention whore postings
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12-07-03, 11:19 PM (EST)
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126. "RE: Final 2 Claim..." |
Oh my. This will teach me to ignore long threads! Wow. Excellent thread.I'd just like to add one observation to add to what flowerpower (not to be confused with coolflowerpowerman) said. One of the early rumours concerning ousted castaways returning to the game said that the returning ghost, a superwoman, went on to win the very next challenge. This, clearly, did not happen; Burton won the ensuing challnge. It was said on these boards that what probably happened is that the spoiler knew that Lil got back into the game and that a ghost won the following challenge. The spoiler than assumed that Lil was said ghost and posted as such. What if this mistaken identity goes all the way to F2? I believe the same spoiler talking about ghosts (sorry about lack of details) said that the returning (assumed female) ghost makes it to F2. It could be that, in fact, Burton goes to F2 with Darrah or Sandra. Just a thought.
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