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"All women alliance?"
hlb 3 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-03, 10:33 AM (EST)
 
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"All women alliance?" |
After last night's vote the women dominate this game. There are only 2 men left (Burton and Jon) in comparison to 5 women. Could this season be the first time an "all women alliance" is successful? It is very easy to imagine the women binding together to get rid of Burton, the strongest person. This is interesting considering that last year the tribes started out seperated by sex. As soon as the tribes merged/switched the alliances intermingled. This year, the men have been concentrating on eliminated their male competition that only the women are left.
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okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-03, 10:48 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: All women alliance?" |
There are a couple of reasons I've thrown out the "all women" possibility, not the least of which is the animosity between Lil and her former tribe members. I don't think T&D like her any better than she likes them.And we already seen some animosity between Christa and the two Morgan ladies, so I think them joining ranks is unlikely. I really believe that Lil is joined at the hip to Burton now. (although I think Burton would cut her loose at the drop of a pelican). Okaloosajohn
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pdragonfly 318 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-03, 10:53 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: All women alliance?" |
No, don't agree. Sandra had her chance, but blew it. Its my opinion that the women don't have the wits to control and manipulate the game. Jon and Burton are clearly the puppetmasters here. Too bad.
However, it would be shocking if this happened:
Sandra sees the writing on the wall and goes to T and D.
"Are you really going to be happy with 4th and 5th place?
Do you really think you can get immunity or a reward challenge with Burton in the game? How about this: T, D, C and I join up and get rid of the guys and then it will be more of an even playing field. Then its every babe for herself?"
See that ain't going to happen.
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ElroyJetson 586 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-03, 11:04 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: All women alliance?" |
I agree PDragonfly. Although it may not be obvious to the castaways, D and T can do no better than 4th and 5th (barring immunity) because they cannot crack the triad of B, L, and J. Jon's only hope for the million is to be against an outcast (preferrably Lil IMHO). The outcasts only hope is to be against the other outcast or Jon the snake. S and C should point this out to T and D if they see it. This upcoming episode is the only chance those 4 will have a chance to break the triad up. S and C should approach T and D, bury the hatchet if possible, and sell them on the fact that an alliance with them is their only real shot at the big bucks. Once B, L, and J are gone, the playing field will be level and let the best woman win! Alas, I doubt it will happen though. 
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Nash 437 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-03, 11:20 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: All women alliance?" |
Of course Jon and I can't believe I'm saying this is the smartest so he could stab Burton in back and allign himself to Darrah and Lil.
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mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-03, 11:57 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: All women alliance?" |
I believe she will definitely try to get something going next week but she may try to distance herself from Christa in the process.I see this as well BR. She's going to see that with Ruperts ousting, she and Christa no longer have anyone but themselves and their numbers are up. Sandra will be the first one to go to T/D/L and say alright, I'm with you, let's make it a females F4. To prove my loyalty I'll vote out Christa with you, but in exchange we go for Burton and Jon next. With Christa being the focus of possible food problems, they'll have an easy time getting Burton and Jon to go for Christa over Sandra. IF and I mean IF, Sandra really does see the writing on the wall. If not...boing, boing, boing...she's gonna get bounced. 
--hopes Sandra has it in her, but isn't convinced
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11-21-03, 12:20 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: All women alliance?" |
I can easily see D/T flipping away from the B/J/L alliance. But, unless they do it this week, it may be too late. I just don't see Lil betraying Burton, or even Jon at this point. They have a firm final 3 pact. Although I can see Jon flipping if he thinks it would get him further, but I don't see how it would. Even if Jon thinks he is 3rd wheel now, he likely wouldn't improve upon that by going alone with D/T, or Sandra. Besides, I'm sure he thinks either of the two "ghosts" would be ideal final 2 opponents. Sandra needs to hold on to Christa. She has no other choice. They need to stick together and try to get D/T to flip sides. The only way to break up B/J/L is to do it now, with a majority vote. I'm just not sure they will have the brains to figure it out in time. If Christa goes next, then Sandra would be a loner, and not much of a threat. I can see D and T picking her up to try to get rid of either Jon or Burton, but I think the best they could hope for is a tie, and no body wants that. (think purple rock)
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munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-03, 12:24 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: All women alliance?" |
It's not up to Sandra and Christa to make the move. Any alliance between the women needs to be initaited by Tijuana and Darrah. Are they willing to settle for fourth and fifth place? They saw last night that Jon and Burton weren't satisfied. Smart play would be to approach Christa and Sandra and go 4 - 3 against Burton. But don't approach Lil!!! If Burton doesn't win immunity, they need to get him gone because they might not get another opportunity. Like, dislike, hate, doesn't matter. You make the move with whoever you need to to get further in the game. The fact that Jon is still around just proves that point. T and D get C and S on board with a promise to target the two guys who screwed them, and they're beloved Rupie, over. Christa seems the obvious target this week but I'm leaning toward a Burton boot unless he wins immunity. In fact, I think we'll see a set up for a Burton boot, he wins immunity and Christa goes. Burton goes the next week when he fails to win immunity and Jon joins T/D/Sandra to set up the worst final 5 ever.
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Loquatrix 640 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-03, 02:18 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: All women alliance?" |
>I think Burton's immunity-threatness will only
>cause him to be targeted
>this week if he starts
>appearing problematic in other ways
>as well, e.g. accusing Christa,
>trying too blatantly to steer
>the rest of the game,
>etc. Hmm, I wish it weren't so, BR, but I think you're right. As clear as it is to us that Sandra and Christa need to join with Darrah and Tijuana to target someone from the Burton-Jon-Lill triad, it simply might not be as clear to Tijuana and Darrah that they're numbers 4 and 5 in the 5-person alliance. According to Darrah, she's "alive" in the game again, and her demeanour suggests to me that she feels she's on an equal footing with the others in the 5-person alliance now. She is probably blind to the fact that she and Tijuana are being used to make up numbers. Something extra needs to happen to make this clear to Darrah and T. I think that something extra is going to come from Sandra. If Sandra is smart (and I think she is) she won't harp on the all-femaleness or any "real" interpersonal bonding stuff -- she'll simply say "Look, girls, do the math. If you stick with Lill, Jon and Burton, you're numbers 4 and 5. If you come with Christa and me, you have an equal shot at 1 and 2." Burton is currently the "saviour" of Tijuana and Darrah so there's a real risk that they won't see past this and realize that he has to go at the first opportunity. Positive action is required here, but I don't know if either of T or D has the gumption to do something proactive like choose, for themselves, to join with S and C before the next Tribal Council. Sandra will need to sell it to them, I think.
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Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-03, 03:08 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: All women alliance?" |
We have already heard Sandra say on countless occasions that she's happy as long as somebody else is the target. Well, now that she's clearly in the minority, that's no longer the case. If that alliance sticks together, then either she or Christa is the target this ep. And if Christa wins immunity, then Sandra could go.She will act. She needs an alternate target, and she's the one desperate to find someone for an alliance.
- Jon - No. She hates him and doesn't trust him. The Yahoo Premium transcript for this week proves that.
- Burton - No. She knows that road is futile.
- Lillian - No. Lillian's been hugging all over Jon, and is not a likely ally. And she's just one vote anyway. So yup, she'll approach T&D. And if she's doing math, she'll do it while she still has Christa. The four of them could target any of the other three, but would probably start with the biggest challenge threat, Burton.  We really do have guidelines here. Believe it or not, the Guidelines make things more fun. Really.
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Godd3ss 86 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-03, 03:30 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: All women alliance?" |
Was it just me or did it look like she patted Burton's ass after they won RC together.
Women still have hormones too at that age!!!
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Godd3ss 86 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-03, 03:59 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: All women alliance?" |
Heheheh  Yeah I agree completely. And her poutiness makes me want to slap her upside her head. I bet she was an only child and used the quivering lip to get her daddy to buy her whatever he wanted, because she seems to have that down pat. But I agree - the way that she acts around the men is not in a "motherly" kind of way. I was surprised that she didnt try to jump Jon when she got tipsy. Jon just should have kicked her off of the side of the boat and then the BL could have been "Opps, Lie tripped"
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11-24-03, 02:34 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: All women alliance?" |
Earlier I had suggested that the BL was the TC 'fight' between Christa and Darrah and that there already was a chica alliance in place. I retract that now because I don't think T & D could have faked the elation when Burton and Jon told them the new strategy.However, that doesn't mean that an all-woman alliace, even if a temporary one, isn't possible. It has been noted that Tijuana and Sandra sit together/stand together this week. I agree with Bebo that Sandra will act. Christa may want to but she'll have too much trouble diffusing the food sabotage issue. It doesn't look like Lillian is approchable for an alliance so if it happens, it has to happen this week when they have the numbers and they have to vote out Burton. Sandra will have to overcome any animosity that D&T have towards Christa so she may be willing to cut a deal with them so that Burton goes this week and Christa goes the next week. If she does this well, she could still get Christa's vote in a F2 situation. This would leave a final five of Sandra, Lil, Darrah, Tijuana and Jon with Sandra in the position on Kathy in S4: the swing vote. I see Jon trying to do as much wheeling and dealing as he possibly can to save his behind. 
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