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"Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"

ONE TRIBE MEMBER TELLS THE GRANDMOTHER OF ALL LIES, ON A SPECIAL WEDNESDAY BROADCAST OF "SURVIVOR: PEARL ISLANDS,"
WEDNESDAY, NOV. 26

"The Great Lie" -- One tribe member dupes his fellow castaways with one of the most shocking lies ever told on SURVIVOR, on a special original broadcast of SURVIVOR: PEARL ISLANDS, Wednesday, Nov. 26 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

A heated argument among tribe members ends with one castaway claiming another to be their sworn enemy for life. Meanwhile, another castaway is accused of sabotaging the tribe’s food supply, but is it a false accusation? Despite the tension of competition, a touching gesture of compassion marks the Reward Challenge. Despite the gesture, no one is safe as conspiracies and overheard conversations fuel the insecurities of every castaway left on the island.

And, another tribe member is voted out of their tribe.

MORGAN: DRAKE:
Tijuana Bradley (St. Louis) Rupert Boneham (Indianapolis)
Nicole Delma (Hermosa Beach, Calif.) Shawn Cohen (New York)
Darrah Johnson (Liberty, Miss.) Jon Dalton (Danville, Va.)
Lillian Morris (Ohio) Sandra Diaz-Twine (Ft. Lewis, Wash.)
Ryan Opray (Los Gatos, Calif.) Trish Dunn (Annapolis, Md.)
Andrew Savage (Chicago) Christa Hastie (Los Angeles)
Ryan Shoulders (Clarksville, Tenn.) Burton Roberts (San Francisco)
Osten Taylor (Boston) Michelle Tesauro (Pittstown, N.J.)

SURVIVOR: PEARL ISLANDS is produced by SEG, Inc. Mark Burnett is the executive producer.

For more detailed information on SURVIVOR: PEARL ISLANDS, log on to www.cbs.com/survivor.

RATING: To Be Announced

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 HIS! TeamJoisey 11-17-03 1
   RE: HIS! ExInterper 11-17-03 2
       RE: HIS! Chez 11-17-03 6
       RE: HIS! pizzagirl 11-18-03 29
       RE: HIS! tamarama 11-18-03 39
   RE: HIS! esquire 11-17-03 3
       RE: HIS! I_AM_HE 11-17-03 10
           RE: HIS! PhoenixMons 11-18-03 13
           RE: HIS! FarmBoy 11-18-03 14
           RE: HIS! Brownroach 11-18-03 21
   RE: HIS! Brat2u 11-20-03 112
 RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... Chez 11-17-03 4
 RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... badger 11-17-03 5
 Christa = Safe Jims02 11-17-03 7
   RE: Christa = Safe pdragonfly 11-17-03 8
   RE: Christa = Safe Sexishelly 11-18-03 16
       RE: Christa = Safe Laurieish 11-18-03 24
       RE: Christa = Safe dajaki 11-18-03 75
   RE: Christa = Safe Loquatrix 11-18-03 41
       RE: Christa = Safe the_other_cassie 11-25-03 133
 My thoughts on "The Great Lie" Joyful 11-17-03 9
 RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... SmirnoffRabbit 11-18-03 11
   I too think this is Burton mavsfan 11-18-03 79
 Jon the liar? but... PhoenixMons 11-18-03 12
   HIS = man or woman oddglass2 11-18-03 15
       RE: HIS = man or woman VerucaSalt 11-18-03 17
           RE: HIS = man or woman FesterFan1 11-18-03 19
               RE: HIS = man or woman JazzyJax 11-18-03 26
       RE: HIS = man or woman PhoenixMons 11-18-03 22
           RE: HIS = man or woman BrassFan 11-18-03 51
       RE: HIS = man or woman TeamJoisey 11-18-03 30
           RE: HIS = man or woman oddglass2 11-18-03 42
           RE: HIS = man or woman Joyful 11-18-03 45
       RE: HIS = man or woman Witless 11-18-03 40
   RE: Jon the liar? but... Kneezy 11-20-03 128
 RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... NTK 11-18-03 18
   RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... pdragonfly 11-18-03 20
       RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... Laurieish 11-18-03 23
           RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... Brownroach 11-18-03 27
               RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... DeltMIA 11-18-03 52
                   RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... ginger 11-18-03 57
                       RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... BrassFan 11-18-03 67
 Why wouldn’t Rupert be the bi... frankz 11-18-03 25
   RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be th... Brownroach 11-18-03 28
       RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be the big ... okaloosajohn 11-18-03 31
           RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be th... Brownroach 11-18-03 38
       RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be the big ... goldilocksami 11-18-03 32
           RE: Lil's family interview pdragonfly 11-18-03 35
       RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be th... frankz 11-18-03 37
       RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be th... Thaibeach 11-18-03 49
           RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be th... Trishlr 11-18-03 55
               I like it!!!! udg 11-18-03 62
                   RE: I like it!!!! Spanky68 11-19-03 97
                       RE: I like it!!!! udg 11-19-03 104
   RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be the big ... pdragonfly 11-18-03 34
       RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be th... frankz 11-18-03 68
           RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be the big ... udg 11-18-03 69
 RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... URang 11-18-03 33
 Finally "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDA... volsfan 11-18-03 36
   RE: Finally "The Great Lie" on WEDN... Moth 11-18-03 43
       RE: Finally "The Great Lie" on WEDN... miamicatt 11-18-03 47
           RE: Finally "The Great Lie" on WEDN... TeamJoisey 11-19-03 88
   RE: Finally "The Great Lie" on WEDN... tamarama 11-18-03 46
 Hmm, Darrah Loquatrix 11-18-03 44
 Grandmother Godd3ss 11-18-03 48
   RE: Grandmother PepeLePew13 11-18-03 56
       Lil wouldn't lie frisky 11-18-03 64
           The actual quote FesterFan1 11-18-03 65
           RE: Lil wouldn't lie Bebo 11-18-03 66
               RE: Lil wouldn't lie Laurieish 11-18-03 74
           And another example lizzmac 11-18-03 77
       RE: Grandmother aethelstan 11-18-03 78
 Touching Gesture of Compassion Krautboy 11-18-03 50
 RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... Jims02 11-18-03 53
   RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... VerucaSalt 11-18-03 54
       RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... PepeLePew13 11-18-03 58
           RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... Thaibeach 11-18-03 59
               RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... pdragonfly 11-18-03 60
                   Christa Godd3ss 11-18-03 61
                       RE: Christa pdragonfly 11-18-03 63
       RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... Mon Cherie 11-18-03 73
 RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... badger 11-18-03 70
   RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... frankz 11-18-03 71
       RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... Brownroach 11-18-03 72
           RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... frankz 11-18-03 76
   RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... JonBGone 11-19-03 80
       Just a thought. Giuoco_Piano 11-19-03 81
           RE: Just a thought. PepeLePew13 11-19-03 82
               RE: Just a thought. Booted 11-19-03 83
                   RE: Just a thought. PepeLePew13 11-19-03 90
                   RE: Just a thought. Brownroach 11-19-03 94
                       RE: Just a thought. mistofleas 11-19-03 95
                       RE: Just a thought. Booted 11-19-03 96
                           RE: Just a thought. mistofleas 11-19-03 100
                           RE: Just a thought. Brownroach 11-19-03 101
                               RE: Just a thought. mistofleas 11-19-03 103
 Misto's BL Theory mistofleas 11-19-03 84
   RE: Misto's BL Theory pmspml5 11-19-03 85
       RE: Misto's BL Theory Brownroach 11-19-03 86
   RE: Misto's BL Theory zzz 11-19-03 87
       RE: Misto's BL Theory mistofleas 11-19-03 91
       RE: Misto's BL Theory PepeLePew13 11-19-03 92
           RE: Misto's BL Theory mistofleas 11-19-03 93
   RE: Misto's BL Theory pancho 11-20-03 115
       RE: Misto's BL Theory Emily RugBurn 11-20-03 125
   RE: Misto's BL Theory hellsbelle 11-20-03 127
       RE: Misto's BL Theory mistofleas 11-20-03 129
           Here I am! bebekid 11-20-03 131
               RE: Here I am! mistofleas 11-20-03 132
 RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... URang 11-19-03 89
   RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... jasonx 11-19-03 98
       RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... mistofleas 11-19-03 99
           RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... jasonx 11-19-03 102
               RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press re... VerucaSalt 11-19-03 105
 out on a limb with tennyson pancho 11-19-03 106
   Wow! That's very neat... udg 11-20-03 108
   RE: out on a limb with tennyson pdragonfly 11-20-03 110
       RE: out on a limb with tennyson pancho 11-20-03 113
 Eve & Adam mavsfan 11-19-03 107
 Things this LIE is not about FesterFan1 11-20-03 109
   RE: Things this LIE is not a... mistofleas 11-20-03 111
       RE: Things this LIE is not a... VerucaSalt 11-20-03 114
           RE: Things this LIE is not a... kykate 11-20-03 116
               RE: Things this LIE is not a... VerucaSalt 11-20-03 117
                   RE: Things this LIE is not a... Brownroach 11-20-03 118
                       RE: Things this LIE is not a... okaloosajohn 11-20-03 119
                           RE: Things this LIE is not a... ginger 11-20-03 120
                               RE: Big lie pdragonfly 11-20-03 121
                           RE: Things this LIE is not a... BrassFan 11-20-03 124
                       RE: Things this LIE is not a... mistofleas 11-20-03 122
   RE: Things this LIE is not a... BrassFan 11-20-03 123
       RE: Things this LIE is not a... Acawap 11-20-03 126
           RE: Things this LIE is not a... volsfan 11-25-03 134
 total speculation moonbaby 11-20-03 130

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1. "HIS!"
"his fellow castaways..."

This provides a gender for the liar.


And it makes reference to a grandmother, so perhaps were are headed for the "My Granny has cancer" lie that some have predicted.

Only Rupert is histrionic enough to declare a game show contestant s "sworn enemy for life." The short list of candidates would be Jon and Burton.

Lil is the recipent of the touch gesture of compassion.
(begin speculation mode)
Jon provides the gesture of compassion, which gets a warm reception from the others. So he parlays it into the BIG LIE, telling others that Lill reminds him of his poor ailing grandmama, who lies in her death bed waiting for Little Jonny to buy her an iron lung.



These reality show contestants need a reality check!

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2. "RE: HIS!"
I think you're right, but I don't entirely trust CBS to get anything right, let alone genders.

The grandmother things is FAR more singificant, and I think you're right on about this.

But if you are right, and Rupert is the one who declares the other "their sworn enemy for life" (and the only other one who might do this would be Sandra, IMO) then this may mean that Rupert does NOT in fact go this week....

Hmmm...all of a sudden, this "cut and dry" spoiling week just got a little more interesting.


ExI hopes this isn't just another tease to prevent the obvious boot.

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11-17-03, 10:10 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: HIS!"
The Episode in question is Next Week , after (supposedly) Rupert is gone this week)
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29. "RE: HIS!"
This is my first time posting here but I remember reading yesterday on a thread on sucks that Mmmortician replied to someone of a juicy tidbit that Darrah's grandmother had a heartattack when she learned of Darrah being on survivor. When I heard this title grandmother of a lie it made me think of that.
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39. "RE: HIS!"
>>The grandmother things is FAR more singificant, and I think you're right on about this.<<

That jumped out at me too...using male pronouns is standard "non-gender-specific" -- but GRANDMOTHER?

Isn't it more common to say Grandaddy of all Lies?

Of course, this could point to the lie being ABOUT a grandmother (as some have speculated) but the first thing that popped into my head when I read it was that a woman told the lie.

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3. "RE: HIS!"

>Only Rupert is histrionic enough to
>declare a game show contestant
>s "sworn enemy for life."


I'm not so sure abotu that. I could see Jon calling someone a sworn enemy for life

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10. "RE: HIS!"
Or Sandra.


My name is Sandra Diaz-Twine. You killed my Christa, prepare to die.

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13. "RE: HIS!"
Or Lil. I could totally see Lil saying that if Burton double -crossed her (or if she, for some reason, thought he'd double-crossed her) - she was quite peeved at her ex-tribemates
and I wouldn't put it past her to be livid if she found out that Burton was indeed lying to her (she's putting all of her faith in him being truthful - or at least that's what we're being led to believe anyway), so I imagine she'd be mighty POed if she was "betrayed" by who she considers her most important ally.



The 80s are back, like totally!
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14. "RE: HIS!"
<My name is Sandra Diaz-Twine. You killed my Christa, prepare to die.>


bahwhahwhahwhahahwhahwha LOL!


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21. "RE: HIS!"
LMAO, He. That's perfect.

This does suggest Sandra more than anyone else to me. She probably has another argument with Jonny Fairplay.



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112. "RE: HIS!"

If they wanted to be non-gender specific they could have said, "THE fellow castaways" instead of "his"
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4. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
"The Great Lie" -- One tribe member dupes his fellow castaways with one of the most shocking lies ever told on SURVIVOR, on a special original broadcast of SURVIVOR: PEARL ISLANDS, Wednesday, Nov. 26 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.


(I don't know how to paste earlier quotes, so if someone can tell me I would appreciate it-----


How can it be anyone other than Jon?

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5. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
< A heated argument among tribe members ends with one castaway
< claiming another to be their sworn enemy for life.

sandra should certainly be included in speculation of who this should be.

what interests me is the use of the word "grandmother" to describe the lie. isn't the phrase typically "the mother of. . ."? does the word "grandmother" imply the lie not only a whopper, but it has to do with "granny"? or does it imply that it's a relative of what was formerly "the mother of all lies" on Survivor, which i guess would be ted and ghandhia?!?

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7. "Christa = Safe"
This week, that is.

Meanwhile, another castaway is accused of sabotaging the tribe’s food supply, but is it a false accusation?

Remember Ryan O's chat? He mentioned there were oranges missing, and that Christa was the one eating them. Maybe it's a different scandal, but I've been wondering why it wasn't editted in yet.

Second question. Why would they withhold this clip until now? Because perhaps this is Christa's boot episode? Increase in face time, and it makes the bootee look unfavorable, so the audience can say "That's why Christa didn't win."


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8. "RE: Christa = Safe"
Jims02- I think you are right about the food being the oranges. And it could very well be a precurser to Christa's boot. Sad to say, that she wouldn't get the boot if Rupert was still in the game.


But sabatoge and stealing are two different indicators, which could mean that if it was sabatoge, maybe Sandra (cause it would be so like her) gets angry at the others for voting for Rupee and she decides to put sand in the food to make it ineditable.


Enemies for life - what Rupee says to Burton when he gets voted out.

Or -- Jeff tells Jon this after Jon tries to be friends with Jeff and Jeff wanted Jon to know how he REALLY feels about him.

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16. "RE: Christa = Safe"
LAST EDITED ON 11-18-03 AT 09:14 AM (EST)

Maybe when Sandra tells Rupert she overheard Jon and Burton planning to vote him off he flies into a rage. Later the fishing spear is found broken thus "sabotaging the food supply" and Rupert gets the blame. But in fact someone else (Jon/Burton?) does it frame Rupert.

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24. "RE: Christa = Safe"
Now this would be a brutal and brilliant lie. And it certainly fits everyone's personality to this point. I just can't imagine someone ditching their food source. Perhaps Jon "I can starve for a million" would?

Laurie

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75. "RE: Christa = Safe"
Oh, Sexishelly has a devious mind! This scenario would fit perfectly and be perfectly entertaining. We can only hope!
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41. "RE: Christa = Safe"
>Remember Ryan O's chat? He
>mentioned there were oranges missing,
>and that Christa was the
>one eating them. Maybe
>it's a different scandal, but
>I've been wondering why it
>wasn't editted in yet.
>
>Second question. Why would they
>withhold this clip until now?
> Because perhaps this is
>Christa's boot episode? Increase
>in face time, and it
>makes the bootee look unfavorable,
>so the audience can say
>"That's why Christa didn't win."

Hmm. Does it make any difference that this clip has been shown in full on Yahoo Platinum? On that service, we see a whole thing play out where oranges are counted and accusations are made; the implication is that Christa is accusing Ryan, though he denies it and later tells the camera that she was probably the one who ate it.

Just wondering if it's habitual for CBS to edit in footage in a later episode that has previously been made available on Platinum.

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133. "RE: Christa = Safe"
from http://sites.ninemsn.com.au/minisite/tvshows/survivor.asp

•Christa is accused of sabotaging the food supply. But is it a false accusation?

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9. "My thoughts on "The Great Lie" "
>"The Great Lie" -- One tribe
>member dupes his fellow castaways
>with one of the most
>shocking lies ever told on
>SURVIVOR,

I am leaning towards Jon because I could see him telling the "great lie" to save his butt from TC. The only other "his" around by this episode would be either Burton or Rupert. Rupert is out in my opinion, he would yell and scream but I can't see him coming up with the greatest lie ever. Burton on the other hand has already admitted he would lie to stay in the game so it could be him, but again do you see the greatest lie ever coming from Burton? It doesn't seem plausible that the liar would be anybody but Jon.

>A heated argument among tribe members
>ends with one castaway claiming
>another to be their sworn
>enemy for life.

This has Rupert written all over it so it gives us Rupert fans hope that he will not be the booted one in the next episode. Although he may get votes and have another screaming session when they get back to camp, and declare his "enemy for life" at that time.

Meanwhile,
>another castaway is accused of
>sabotaging the tribe’s food supply,
>but is it a false
>accusation?

Could this be Rupert as well? Possibly angered over his votes at TC he thinks "I gave them food, I can take it away?" Or did he do it to show them that being hungry is harder then they think and with all their food staples gone (beans, rice, Spam) they need to keep him around to fish.


Despite the tension
>of competition, a touching gesture
>of compassion marks the Reward
>Challenge.

Is this where we suddenly start rooting for Jon as Jeff hinted too earlier? Does he win reward (possibly a family visit) and give it to Lil?


Despite the gesture,
>no one is safe as
>conspiracies and overheard conversations fuel
>the insecurities of every castaway
>left on the island.

I think this is either the Rupert boot episode (with Burton or Christa going in the "Swimming with Sharks" episode) or it will be the moment many of us have waited for and Jon will be gone.
>

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If Rupert is gone this week, the only food provider left will be Burton. I can see someone in his alliance "sabotaging" the food on purpose, if only to strengthen Burton's (and thus, his alliance's) position in the tribe.

Perhaps, because of the events of this episode, the "older woman" gets to make her trip back to the market (wasn't that one of the spoilers floating around this season?)

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79. "I too think this is Burton"
I too think this indicates Ruperts gone and that Burton is now the fish provider.

But, Burton may simply not have as much luck at it as Rupert did leading to accusations that he's failing on purpose.

Rupert got lot's of fish in the cove, Why can't Burton? As folks start to get hungry, they may be willing to believe Burton is failing on purpose, especially if they rationalize to themselves that it was REALLY Burtons idea to get Rid of Rupert.

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12. "Jon the liar? but..."
Pure speculation on my part, but I thought I'd throw it out there just in case I'm not the only one with these ideas...

Okay, the only men left at this point (one of whom could be gone by ep 10, or course) are Rupert, Jon, and Burton. I certainly think the "his" is relevant as they could have very easily said "dupes the other castaways" instead of "dupes his fellow castaways". So, that leaves three possible liars.

My question about Jon being the liar is if we know he's the teller of this monumental lie, what would make us start to root for him, as Jiffy said earlier? If I knew someone had told this enormous lie (and obviously we are going to know about this lie), I'm not sure I'd be rooting for that person, especially if it's a person I already don't like (as I'm sure Jiffy assumes about the general viewing audience). It just doesn't seem "right" that we'd be rooting for Jon if he is the liar UNLESS...

The final three comes down to Burton, Lil, and Jon, as B & L have said they wanted. Obviously, most people would likely be disappointed with this final three (2 outcasts and the least liked survivor of the whole cast, according to polls). Maybe Jiffy's assuming that we are all going to be rooting for Jon rather than the outcasts? That's the ONLY way I see the Jiffy comments being in synch with the "Jon the liar" speculation that abounds.

I suppose the lie could be something so strategically brilliant that we'd want to root for him simply for being so ingenious and playing the game so well, but it seems obvious that the average Survivor viewer is less inclined to root for someone for playing the game well (Rich, Brian) over someone they just like (Lis/Rodger). I just don't imagine Jiffy saying we'd be rooting for him if he's this big liar after he's already at the bottom of our lists in the first place, KWIM?


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15. "HIS = man or woman"
Hello,

First time poster...love your message boards by the way, so here goes...

I wanted to throw my 2 cents into this discussion because I think that what was mentioned earlier about "his fellow tribes mates" meaning that the liar would be a man may be incorrect. The reason is that when writing, if you don't know if the person is female or male, you would typically say "he", "his", etc to represent that person. It's one of those grammar rules, so it doesn't necessarily mean that it's a man or woman. It was also discussed earlier that the liar could be Sandra, it very well could be since CBS wouldn't necessarily want to give away the sex of the liar so soon, and want to keep us guessing. In the end, if a million dollars is at stake, anybody could be the liar!

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17. "RE: HIS = man or woman"
Compassionate gestures? Big Lies?? Sounds like someone is gonna benefit from the lie and someone is gonna feel like an utter ass.

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19. "RE: HIS = man or woman"
The "compassionate gesture" is almost certainly akin to Matt in S6 "giving up" his visit with a loved one after winning the family visit RC. Maybe it's the one nice thing Jon does while on the islands...right before he gets the axe.

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26. "RE: HIS = man or woman"
That would indeed be a shocker and a sympathy gain for Jon.

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22. "RE: HIS = man or woman"
First, welcome to the boards! This truly is a great place to bounce ideas off each other

As for the "his" thing...true, you can say 'his' in place of 'his/hers' or 'the person's' when referring to either gender, but the fact that they could have just as easily said "the other" (or something along those lines) tends to make me think that they ARE alluding to a male liar. Of course, I could be totally wrong and the writer(s) of the article/segment is/are using male pronouns in place of the more commonly used (these days) gender neutral descriptions. Yeah, the liar could be either male or female, but given some of the other information (Jiffy's exclamation of "m_____ f_____") in combination with the use of "his" in this article, leads me to believe the liar is male. I actually wasn't all that convinced of the MF expression meaning the liar was male (I mean, the expression is not exclusive to describing/referring to men or anything), but when paired with this, it is much more convincing (IMO, of course).

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51. "RE: HIS = man or woman"
>I actually wasn't all that convinced of the
>MF expression meaning the liar was male (I
>mean, the expression is not exclusive to
>describing/referring to men or anything),
>but when paired with this, it is much more
>convincing (IMO, of course).

My take on Jiffy dropping the F-bomb is that it's totally gender irrelevant. I don't think he was calling the person who told the lie an MF....I think it was just an expression of suprise and shock...much like someone would say "Holy Sh***!!"

As for the his thing.....It just goes to show you how far people are willing to go to dissect everything that MB and company put out. Common grammatical rules state that you would use 'his' in this case to refer to either gender (especially if you don't know the gender)...but the people here immediately assume it means that it's a male who tells the lie.

But, look at the other option. If they said "duped their fellow tribemates" instead of "his fellow tribemates", everyone would assume it was a woman, since they didn't say "his." They would say "since they said 'their' fellow tribemates, it must be a female who tells the lie.

Isn't this fun? ;)

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30. "RE: HIS = man or woman"
Welcome to the boards, Oddglass! Feel free to throw your two cents in at any time, The more the merrier, as they say. (Especially if you intend to throw money.)

The reason I think the "his" is significant is because I believe who ever wrote this blurb does know who tells the lie. They could have masked the gender by avoiding a pronoun.
Writing "dupes the other castaways" makes the same point as "dupes his fellow tribemates." In my mind, it would add just a little bit more mystery to the situation.
Whoever wrote this blurb didn't consider masking the gender, because 90 percent of the viewers don't even know the lie is coming. And the folks at SeeBS don't really care about the spoiling community, since it is such a small percentage of the fan base.
I don't think this is a monumental moment in Survivor history, but speculation about the lie and the liar has generated about a thousand posts. So forgive me if I cling to any shred of logic.

On another matter, the earlier speculation about Sandra was not that she is the liar, but that she declares someone a sworn enemy for life. Originally I said that could only be The Dread Pirate Rupert. As I have been so cleverly reminded, it could easily be Sandra Diaz-Inigo-Montoya-Twine.



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42. "RE: HIS = man or woman"
Thank-you for the welcome PhoenixMons and TeamJoisey. I must say you have me convinced. It does make sense that it would be a male...but which male? After watching all those episodes this season, I could only picture JP saying "M-----F-----" about Jon. He hates him so...

My bad on the Sandra comment, but yes I could see her declaring someone her enemy for life, and it most likely would be Jon, as it appears she's not too fond of him.

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45. "RE: HIS = man or woman"
LAST EDITED ON 11-19-03 AT 00:41 AM (EST)

Sandra Diaz-Inigo-Montoya-Twine.


(*big laugh*) Good one Team Joisey!!!!! Will Sandra's next line be "you snuffed my torch...prepare to die!"?

Edited to say that I didn't know I-AM-HE already used the "prepare to die" line. I saw it on SOTS and became shamed. I'm not a thief...really I'm not. Here I was thinking like I was Westly when I was really being Vizzini!!
Come to think of it maybe Rupert is Fezzik!!

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40. "RE: HIS = man or woman"
Perhaps. But the use of the universal masculine is an outdated usage convention and one that I would be very surprised to see in standard use by a company like CBS, especially since the entire issue could easily be avoided if the pronoun were left out altogether:

>>One tribe member dupes his fellow castaways with one of the most shocking lies ever told on SURVIVOR

The sentence would still be grammatically correct and perfectly clear if it read:

>>One tribe member dupes fellow castaways with one of the most shocking lies ever told on SURVIVOR

So I have to think that the use of the masculine pronoun was both deliberate and means exactly what is is supposed to mean--that the liar is male.

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128. "RE: Jon the liar? but..."
Good points. Maybe Jon did make the Big Lie, but expresses regret and makes amends for it afterwards, thus eliciting our sympathies.
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18. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
The many variations keep twisting in my head. I can really only see Jon as having the guts to pull off a huge lie. His "let the cards fall where they may" attitude would be necessary. I think most people would be too embarrassed to have their friends or relatives see the consequences of it.

I could also see Jon scoring some points by giving up his family visit, if he happens to win the challenge. Most people have a loved one showing up. He has a friend or an aquaintance.

The first thing that came to mind with them fighting over food was that Rupert is indeed gone.

I could also see Christa getting into a heated enough arguement to swear an enemy for life.

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20. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
Come on - Lil is the most obvious one.

I'll say it again, she's not a troop leader. If that's not the biggest obvious lie, then Rupert has nothing under that skirt.

Think about it. We haven't really heard anything personal from anyone, other than Christa and her wedding.


Rupert hasn't talked much about anything personal - we know he's a mentor, but he's not talking about it.

Burton - I don't really know anything about him, so if we discover what the lie is, will we really be so amazed?

Sandra - what has she been talking about that would stand out? Maybe she's bald and doesn't have all that hair?

T & D - don't even know anything about them to begin with.

That leaves Lil and all the times she's talked about her work ethic and her survival skills due to being a troop leader, as well as her walking around like a billboard for the Scouts of America.


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23. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
She looked authentically touched when Burton did "scouts honor." I would love this lie and I would be very shocked. I don't see it having such an effect on the game except that she got stuck in the uniform. They had no idea they were going overboard in those clothes.
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27. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
The problem I have with this is: if Lillian wanted to tell this lie, she could just tell it. But would she really decide to go out and get a scout uniform to bring with her?

She wasn't planning to wear it during the game. No one was expecting to wear the clothes they got stuck in; they all brought more suitable clothing with them. If anything the uniform just painted her as an oddball right off the bat, and didn't prevent her from being voted off early.


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52. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
When Lil was booted out, her parting words also included an apology of sorts to the Boy Scouts for not saying, "how awesome is the organization that I work with, the Boy Scouts." She didn’t know at the time (supposedly) that they would have a chance to come back, so why continue that lie at that point? My guess is she is definitely in the Boy Scouts to some extent.
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57. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
Maybe the lie is aimed AT "grandmother" type Lil. An accusation that she did something with the food.

BTW, can't believe the Great Big Lie is going to boil down to another wretched food accusation a la Kel and The Beef Jerky Scandal.


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67. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
>BTW, can't believe the Great Big Lie is going
>to boil down to another wretched food accusation
>a la Kel and The Beef Jerky Scandal.

It won't. The press release states that one member dupes his tribemates with the big lie...then it says:

Meanwhile, another castaway is accused of sabotaging the tribe’s food supply, but is it a false accusation?


I take that to mean that the two things are unrelated...

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25. "Why wouldn’t Rupert be the big liar?"
Rupert stated clearly in E1 that he would LIE, CHEAT, STEAL, whatever it takes to win the game. Except for the fact that he is projected to go this week and may not be around for E10, he would be the perfect choice, but we don’t know that he is leaving this week. His bold and adamant statement in E1 is a clear example of MB’s past foreshadowing. And they’ve done nothing but edit him to be “the nice compassionate guy” (albeit with a temper). Rupert doing all the things mentioned (lying, contaminating the food, etc.) would come as a great shock to the average viewer. And I think many spoilers would be equally surprised as many have seemed to jump on the Rupert is honest bandwagon. Remember MB knows the entire dynamics of the season and edits the show to be entertaining, as well as shocking.
Don’t overlook Rupert.
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28. "RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be the big liar?"
It doesn't say the person "contaminates" the food supply (LOL, that would be hilarious). It says "sabotage," by which I assume it means someone is accused of stealing food.

Christa may be involved, since she apparently already accused Ryno of stealing an orange.


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31. "RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be the big liar?"
You realize the origin of the word, of course?

Throwing a shoe into the food could definitely contaminate it...

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38. "RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be the big liar?"
Then it has to be Rupert. He kept all the Morgans' shoes that he stole in Ep 1 and is now using them to sabotage the food supply.



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32. "RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be the big liar?"
I'm a new poster here and I'm from Cincinnati. Lill is a Cincinnati native and they interview her family all the time on the news (after each show). Lill is a real scout master. The big lie is most likely the "my poor grandma is ill and I need to win the million to save her," coming out of low life Jon's mouth.

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35. "RE: Lil's family interview"
Ok, then that blows that theory.
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37. "RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be the big liar?"
I wouldn’t say stealing so much, rather interfering with the production or acquisition of the food. Like was speculated earlier breaking the spear or something like that. Or perhaps damaging the cooking pot or allowing contamination (like sand in the rice, or whatever other contaminant you can think of).
On a side note, I still think Lil stole the fishing hook, rather than having lost it.
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49. "RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be the big liar?"
is food such a big issue on Drake beach, really? It's not like they don't have enough food.

I wonder if "sabotage" might refer to someone destroying (or deliberately misplacing) the dreaded fishing spear. Lord knows that would set Rupert off like a bottle rocket.

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55. "RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be the big liar?"
What if Rupert has been taking the spear tip to TC with him every time? Could the Press Release not mean "current" tribe member. Maybe they vote off him and the spear tip hidden in his bag! Boy that would be wicked! That being said. I don't think he would do it, but he does enjoy being their breadwinner!
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62. "I like it!!!!"
Forget MB and his silly little twist. I like that one much better! "See ya, sucka's!" ROFLMBO I would love for Dread Pirate Rupert to exact his revenge when he gets voted out (assuming, of course, that he doesn't win it all like I want him to). Bwahahahahaa!

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97. "RE: I like it!!!!"
"UDG <-- wishes she could remember a witty and relevant quote from Princess Bride, but she can't"

But there are SO MANY. It's the most quotable movie EVER. How about this one:

"Once the word gets out that a pirate has gone soft, nobody respects him, and then it's nothing but work, work, work."

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104. "RE: I like it!!!!"
>How about this
>one:
>
>"Once the word gets out that
>a pirate has gone soft,
>nobody respects him, and then
>it's nothing but work, work,
>work."

PERFECT! (And obviously time to rewatch that movie!)

Forget MB and his silly little twist. I like that one much better! "See ya, sucka's!" ROFLMBO I would love for Dread Pirate Rupert to exact his revenge when he gets voted out (assuming, of course, that he doesn't win it all like I want him to). Bwahahahahaa!

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34. "RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be the big liar?"
Frankz - so what has Rupert been talking about to everyone? What is there to expose? Remember that no one knows that the person was lying until that episode, not even the other survivors. They will be finding out at the same time. Even Jeffy was blown away. Other than Jon lying about his age (which is not the grandmother of all lies) Lil being older may do it, but not Rupert.
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68. "RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be the big liar?"
I can’t really think of a big lie Rupert may have been telling other than maybe he’s an actor planted by MB to be the star of the show and JP doesn’t know. Really farfetched, I know.
What I was actually referring to was the sabotage of the food supply and many people on the boards’ reluctance to consider him as the bad guy. Since he is the most unlikely, my suspicious nature can’t let me rule him out. And his speech in E1 caught my attention at the time as I really felt it was going to play out sometime. It hasn’t yet.
And what did happen to all those shoes? We never heard another word about it. Maybe he tells everyone that Jon stole them. Or it wasn’t interesting enough to pursue.
I’ll have to give it some more thought and get back to you. But I just wanted to point out that we shouldn’t rule Rupert out just because he hasn’t been portrayed (or edited) as capable of any shenanigans.
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69. "RE: Why wouldn’t Rupert be the big liar?"
>And what did happen to all
>those shoes? We never heard
>another word about it. Maybe
>he tells everyone that Jon
>stole them. Or it
>wasn’t interesting enough to pursue.

Andrew was asked about the shoe stealing after he was booted, and he said they all just assumed they had fallen out of the boat during the swim, and that he was surprised to see Rupert trading his blue insoles for a pineapple. (Or something of that nature.) It doesn't seem likely that that's the BL, either.

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33. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
Could it be that someone breaks/hides the spears they use for fishing. That would definitely sabotage their food.

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36. "Finally "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26!"
I love all the ideas that are floating around on this thread! The thing that keeps sticking in my mind are the words used to describe the BL (brutal, shocking, grandmother of all lies, we will say m-----f-----)! If I am going to be shocked and say m-----f------, I would also be surprised by the person telling the lie not only the lie itself!

On Misto's BL thread, I speculated that Lil had told the lie. Things went from not losing the fish hook (and I still have no idea why they showed her lose one hook when someone else lost the other two and were not shown!), to lying about other things. The reason I was concentrating on Lil is that she would be the only person left in the game that would SHOCK me with a lie.

I know that it doesn't say we will be shocked by who tells the lie only that we will be shocked by the lie. Well, to be honest, I would not be shocked by ANY LIE that Jon would tell! He has been portrayed as a person that would do ANYTHING to get ahead in the game. I just would not be shocked by anything this guy says!

Burton, has also said he would lie but, I do think that if it is a GRANDMOTHER of a lie that I would be surprised by something that is brutal coming from Burton (I hope that makes sense!).

Now, does anyone think that the BL might be about the food that is also mentioned in the press release? Depriving your tribe mates of food is certainly brutal!

Just some thoughts!

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43. "RE: Finally "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26!"
I'm another one for the "Lil is the liar" camp. I think that Lil had a rude awakening when she was voted out and has reinvented herself during the time she spent in LL. During her initial stay with Morgan she was very concerned with presenting a proper Boy Scout example; shirt tail tucked in, etc. Contrast that with the angry woman who during the Outcast TC referred to her former tribemates as SOBs. That's one phrase I doubt you'll find in the scout handbook.

I think that the "I'll be your vote slave Burton because I'm too stupid to think for myself" is just an act. Sobbing on Jon's shoulder is more of the same. She'll lull Burton into a false sense of security, then deliver the knife right between the shoulder blades and we'll only find out about her cold-hearted calculations when she confesses to the camera while casting her vote.

I also think that it's a major mistake on Lil's part to get rid of Burton, but that's probably fodder for a different thread.

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47. "RE: Finally "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26!"
First time poster -- please be gentle! I've been lurking for a while here but this issue has inspired me to post!

Moth, I agree with you about Lil, and what's bothering me about the Lil-crying-on-Jon's shoulder "I'm such a b----" shot is that if she's so upset, why is she not crying on her best-buddy Burton's shoulder? Why Jon? My gut is telling me that she's betraying Burton and leading me to think that Rupert may be safe this week.

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88. "RE: Finally "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26!"
Hello sunny Miami from smelly ol' Noo Joisey.

Welcome to the boards.

Don't underestimate Lill's attachement to Jon. If you look back over previous episodes there is a lot of fond interaction between the two. They have been shown spontaneously hugging at challenges.

I suspect her relationship with Burton is based on game logic and a general respect for him.

I suspect her relationship with Jon is deeper. Perhaps because his antics and general maturity level reminds her of the adolescent boys she deals with in the scouts.



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46. "RE: Finally "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26!"
>>I would not be shocked by ANY LIE that Jon would tell!<<

You read my mind!!

I don't think ANYONE would be overly shocked at Jon lying.
Average fans of the show, Spoiler/Spec folks, Castaways, even Jiffy. He's been lying all along -- and everyone knows it. When he told the TRUTH to Savage about Drake throwing the challenge -- they didn't believe him. Even if Jon told a 'brutal lie', I don't think people would believe it enough to say "M---- F-----" when it was revealed as a lie.

Nobody has believed Jon for weeks --

It's got to be somebody else.

However, I'm not buying the Lil theory either. I think we're pretty safe taking her at face value.

Anybody else on the island? Absolutely capable. I love the Rupert idea -- considering his editing as the hero of S7, it would be great to have him turn out to be the liar.

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44. "Hmm, Darrah"
Any thoughts on whether Darrah could be the liar? She's a popular choice to go a long way in the game, but we've really seen nothing of her at all in terms of storyline.

I'm not convinced that the use of "his" is a giveaway that the caption writer knows the gender of the liar and is being truthful about it. Where the caption writer is elsewhere careful to use "their" in order not to reveal gender, why would he/she be truthful about gender in this one specific instance? The only reason to be specific in that place is for misdirection.

Still thinking the liar could be a chick, over here, and if so my money's on Darrah because she needs to start being a feature in the story.

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48. "Grandmother"
What if the lie is something like after visiting with her husband, she makes some comment that her child is either pregnant or got someone pregnant and she doesnt know how she will be able to afford to take care of everyone and blah blah blah ... so that would literally be a lie making her a grandmother. And people feel so bad for her (how much can a professional scout master make in a year)and somehow she gets to the F2 because of it.
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56. "RE: Grandmother"
That makes a LOT of sense to me... it ties in with the use of the saying "grandmother of a lie" and I could see it being something that would have Jiffy saying "m.....f.....!"

The "m.....f.....!" would be in response to the fact that it's Lillian of all people coming up with something like this - you'd expect this from Jon but it blows you away it'd come from someone like her. Lillian has two grown children, so what if her husband visits and says "you've got a grandchild coming, play it up for sympathy?" ... and then this influences someone to vote out someone else instead of Lillian as the intended bootee at that night's TC?


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64. "Lil wouldn't lie"
One thing that keeps haunting me during all this LIE discussion is something Andrew said in the first episode.

"Lil wouldn't lie."

He said this when he was telling the others what Lil told him about Nicole's yap.

MB didn't have to include this scene, where T asks: "How do you know it's true" and Andrew responds "Lil wouldn't lie." Leaving it out wouldn't have affected the audience's understanding of the outcome or character development.

I keep thinking that he added it in there as foreshadowing.

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65. "The actual quote"
I believe what Andrew said in E1 was "Lil doesn't have a dishonest bone in her body." Foreshadowing? Perhaps. It seems like a lot of work considering that Jeff has said that this BIG LIE doesn't really have that big of an impact on the game.

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66. "RE: Lil wouldn't lie"
Add to that Lil's comments that she can't lie, and I really think we're being set up.

I've heard the phrase "the mother of all..." before. Could saying "the grandmother of all..." be a subtle hint to look at the oldest woman there?

We really do have guidelines here. Believe it or not, the Guidelines make things more fun. Really.

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74. "RE: Lil wouldn't lie"
I offhandedly mentioned to my hubby that a promo said there will be the grandmother of all lies on the show and the only thing he said was "*Grandmother* of all lies?" Has to be a reason for that specific word - makes no sense.
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77. "And another example"
When she and Burton were strategizing, while they were away from the others last week, Burton suggested some strategy (can't remember exactly what it was...) and Lil said something to the effect of, "Well, see, now, that would mean I'd have to lie, and I'm going to have a problem with that."

I, too, at the time thought maybe that was a harbinger of her being the liaress extraordinaire. I agree that she's the most unlikely liar left, at least by popular conception.

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78. "RE: Grandmother"
Lillian has two grown children, so what if her husband visits and says "you've got a grandchild coming, play it up for sympathy?" ...

This makes sense too given that the lie is made by Lonnie and not Lil. If Lil believes it, then she won't have any guilt issues about perpetuating the lie. Thus, she still is a terrible liar making this lie so much more believable.


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50. "Touching Gesture of Compassion"
The "touching gesture of compassion" may be in response to the "Great Lie"...

If someone lies about why a loved one is not present, and then takes advantage of a compassionate gesture made in response, it might lead JP to say Mother F**ker!

Jon is the one whose loved ones will not be present, Jon is the one edited as having no concience when it comes to the game, Jon is probably the recipient of the touching gesture, who later laughs about it behind everyone's back in a confessional...



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53. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
Here's a crazy idea. What if Jon's "loved one" wins the Reward Challenge and gets to be a part of the tribe for one day, like prior editions?

What if it's not Jon, but Jon's friend who tells the lie? That may be why Probst retracted his comment about Jon being the liar.

In fact, even Jon may not have known it was a lie at the time (like the grandmother idea, perhaps).


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54. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
Sorry Jim Jeff said it came from a contestant

I still am holding true on one of the posts I put in the five hundred threads this is about coming at this family reward time, it really bodes well that it could relate to that. Jeff said the liar told the lie and Jeff even fell for it which means the lie assumingly occurs only where Jeff is present a challenge gathering or a tribal council gathering. Compassion, etc.

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58. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
Yes, see what I just posted... in a hypothetical situation, can you picture Lillian at TC in response to Jiffy's question about her visit with her husband and finding out she's going to be a grandmother:

"When I found out I'm going to be a grandma, *sniff* I started thinking about *snorff* how my grandchild is going to look back at how I did on "Survivor" *blowing nose* and I would love to do more to give his/her something to be proud of." Or words to that effect in manipulating the group's heart-strings into keeping her longer.


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59. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
These people must be a good deal more soft hearted than I am. I would tell Lil to sit on it and rotate.

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60. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
My monies on Christa right now. They let her win so she could have her honeymoon, only she's not even engaged - that was the lie.


I was sure it was Lil and her troop thingy, but that was discounted. What other info has she given out about herself? Who cares if she's going to be a grandmother?

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61. "Christa"
She is married now though. There was a post awhile back with info about it - so that doesnt work either.
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63. "RE: Christa"
Darn. That's 2 strikes for me. Not Lil's lie as a trooper and not Christa faking being engaged. *sigh* What's worse is I'll be away for the holiday and won't know until I get back on Monday. That's a long wait. Maybe I'll just stuff myself with food and forget about it. Where's that drum stick?
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73. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
Totally agree, VS. I too have a strong feeling that the lie is intertwined with the family visit. Still throwing around exactly what the lie could be and who it comes from though.

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70. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
A heated argument among tribe members ends with one castaway claiming another to be their sworn enemy for life.

i'm gonna guess this argument occurs between sandra and jon. if indeed rupert goes this week and christa in on the block in ep 10, sandra might want to remind jon that her departure will move the numbers from drakes to morgan/outcasts. jon blows her off, and she swears that if a morgan or outcast wins this game, she'll be his sworn enemy for life. . .

Meanwhile, another castaway is accused of sabotaging the tribe’s food supply, but is it a false accusation?

christa, the orange-stealer, hacks down the lemon tree.

Despite the tension of competition, a touching gesture of compassion marks the Reward Challenge. Despite the gesture, no one is safe as conspiracies and overheard conversations fuel the insecurities of every castaway left on the island.

jon wins reward. he has no family to visit, so he gives up the reward to burton, whose ass jon is most eager to kiss to stay in the game.

"The Great Lie" -- One tribe member dupes his fellow castaways with one of the most shocking lies ever told on SURVIVOR

put me in the burton-is-the-liar camp. we've seen several scenes of him professing his honesty -- at outcast TC, the i'm-done-lying-to-drake confession, the scout's honor at breakfast. perhaps his mother calls him "jon" instead of "burton" (his real name is in fact jon burton roberts), and he has to cover up her error. in confession, however, he admits that he's playing under an alias.

i guess that means you'll have to put me in the mb-and-jp-are-liars camp, for their huge promotion of a lie that will inevitably be no "great" matter.

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71. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
From what I remember reading, Burton has a twin brother. It has been speculated the twin is actually playing. Now what advantage that would provide, I don't know. But it wouldn't affect the game any, just be the biggest lie ever told, assuming someone else's identity.
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72. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
It's Shawn who has a twin brother, not Burton.


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76. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
Whoops. I'm glad someone can keep track of all of this, I sure can't.
Thanks.
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80. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
Hi there, love this site and the posts. First time poster.

Here's my 2 cents worth (or less): It can't be Lil. If "The Big Lil" lies, wouldn't they call it the BIG LIE? Two words seem important "Great" and "Grandmother". I don't know if that has anything to do with a great grandmother but I'm willing to grasp at straws. Any ideas out there?


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81. "Just a thought."
Applying logic to this "lie" (as if Survivor abides by any), one would have to conclude the following:

1) Lil is not the "liar." For one, I highly doubt (though there is the slimest of chances) that Lil would be able to justify a whopper. She would never be able to explain to her scouts when it's appropriate for one to lie.
But what's the clincher for Lil is the MF talk. If this is true, than no woman told the tale since I find there to be zero probability that Jeff would say this to a woman on national television. Now I'm not trying to canonize Mr. Probst here, I'm just saying that if he was able to restrain himself with Osten then he certainly isn't going to chastise any other woman.

2) Rupert will have been voted out, so he's not a possibility (I don't want to believe the truth either people).

3) Burton could be the culprit if you put into play Jeff's notion that we will at some point root for Jon (Although this might have been said in an effort to blindside us). What would Burton lie about? What hasn't he lied about?

4) And then there's Mr. red X Jon. It almost seems too easy doesn't it, that is to pick Jon. Again if what Jeff said is true (that we will develop empathy for this punk), then there is zero chance that he lied here. Right? Not exactely. This is how it could still play out

jon uses sob story to break down the mighty Rupert, and unsheath him of immunity. (Of course this would take the help of everyone agreeing who they "will vote for" if Rupert gives Jon the immunity.
Rupert gets the rug pulled out from under him, and actually puts his torch out in Jon's a-- (while also tearing down the set before running into the ocean and swimming his way home. Don't get me wrong, Rupert is my hero. He just has some "slight" anger issues.)
NEXT WEEK
Balboa decides to vote Jon off. Rupert swims back for TC. After the votes are read (or before if Jon knows he's doomed, Jon stands up and spills his guts. Jeff calls him a MF, and Rupert is the one who swears him an "enemy for life". Thus the "lie" has little impact of Jon's advancement in the game, and we also have a week to empathize with him (allowing proper editing).


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82. "RE: Just a thought."
LAST EDITED ON 11-19-03 AT 07:57 AM (EST)

>But what's the clincher for Lil
>is the MF talk.
>If this is true, than
>no woman told the tale
>since I find there to
>be zero probability that Jeff
>would say this to a
>woman on national television.
>Now I'm not trying to
>canonize Mr. Probst here, I'm
>just saying that if he
>was able to restrain himself
>with Osten then he certainly
>isn't going to chastise any
>other woman.

Trouble is that Jiffy didn't say this at the time in the show or on TV -- he said it as if talking to himself while watching what happened and coming to the realization that a big lie had just unfolded in front of him while he was reviewing the show later on.

I'm not sure of the exact wording but it's there on Misto's Big Lie thread... "I can't wait to see how it plays out" so he's talking about something that he saw unfold in hindsight and knows it's going to get exposed on TV.


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83. "RE: Just a thought."
Pepe:

Have not read you as much this year. Always enjoy your posts, very thoughtful. Hope we read more of you before this year is up.

Question... If is not apparent to the contestants (other than the liar) I would tend to think the liar is Burton. I think he said in his chat that the big lie had not happened yet. If the contestants don't know this until after they see it in the game how would he know if he didn't tell the lie?

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90. "RE: Just a thought."
That's a good question.

And thanks for the kind words! Been a real busy few months at work and with the baby!


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94. "RE: Just a thought."
Booted,

I went back to look for that post about Burton, but I can't find it. I think it was originally on Sucks, but it's reposted here somewhere.

Anyway, it wasn't from a chat, it was someone posting who'd heard Burton on a radio show and the poster wrote that Burton was asked about the Big Lie/Big Twist/Big Regret, and he said it hadn't happened yet.

Now, unless the interviewer was Mistofleas , I doubt that's exactly what he was asked. He was probably asked about ONE of those things, and my guess is it would have been the Twist.



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95. "RE: Just a thought."
Now, unless the interviewer was Mistofleas , I doubt that's exactly what he was asked.

Big ol *kissses* for you my sweet baboo!


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96. "RE: Just a thought."
BR:

I agree. Mist and BR VS Krautboy... Top of the line spoilers.

The original post was by jkokoj and was brought over from sucks. Several people said they heard him on the radio and he made that statement. This is the link

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4220.shtml

Don't know if that is reliable or not... What do you think?

Thanks,

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100. "RE: Just a thought."
Mist and BR VS Krautboy... Top of the line spoilers.

*blushes*


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101. "RE: Just a thought."
That's exactly the post I was trying to find, Booted. And, wow, thanks for putting me in such illustrious spoiler company!

The poster's paraphrase of what Burton said seems pretty fast and loose to me. I wouldn't count on Burton having known that the lie didn't occur yet based on this post. That's just my opinion.


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103. "RE: Just a thought."
Agreed BR. I put it in the same catagory of everyone being obtuse about the conditions at LL. Even Osten and Shawn who will obviously NOT be coming back.


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84. "Misto's BL Theory"
I'll put it in the BL thread too (I'm resisting starting another one cuz we've got so much good stuff going in this thread right now).

Misto's Theory:

Jon got a smack in the face at the last TC with votes for him. He has been under the impression that he's quite safe and no one can touch him. Now he realizes that he's just as much on the chopping block as anyone else and his whole annoyingly charming routine is falling flat. So...

He see's that Lil is having a hard time with something. She's out walking the beach alone, gathering wood as she usually does and Jon approaches her to feel out her alliances and strategies. Lil thinks he's approaching her in friendship and breaks down. Crying about being lonely, missing family and feeling like a bitch for lying and voting out Ryan. Jon's twisted little mind starts whirring and he comforts Lil. Telling her that it's a game and she shouldn't feel bad. That he's been lonely too and his hard annoying exterior is really a cover up for the pain he feels at the loss of his grandmother...who raised him and was his only family. (after his parents were killed in a car crash or something equally sinister). Jon will tell Lil that he's really feeling close to her because her personality and good heart remind him of his grandmother. Lil falls for it hook (pun in tended) line and sinker. She spills her guts about her alliance with Burton (as if they didn't know anyway!) and Jon becomes Lils new "skinny Ryan".

THEN, Jon wins the family visit. His lie is perpetuated by the fact that he doesn't have family come to him but a friend. Lil takes that as even more evidence that poor Jon is not really an annoying asshole, but a sad lonely, missing his grandma kinda guy. Jon sets the hook in Lil even stronger by then giving her the family visit. Telling her that he's seen through her how important family is and that SHE needs to be with her loved ones. Everyone sees this and they're stunned at the depth of Jon's capacity to be a decent human being. (a la Robb). Even JP gets a little tear in his eye. Until of course he see's the confessional and Jon admits it's complete and utter hogwash. JP yells m----f-----!

(I think I'm gonna puke, but I also think this could be the way it happens).


--is sticking with this story

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85. "RE: Misto's BL Theory"
I really think everyone is overlooking something here. There have been thoughts that the reward challenge is in pairs with Burton/Lil in the finals. I think Lil has a "panic" attack and her and Burton lose the reward. Just a thought. (Only hole is the I'm such a b**** comment)
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86. "RE: Misto's BL Theory"
LAST EDITED ON 11-19-03 AT 12:56 PM (EST)

How does this contradict Misto's theory? Misto's theory has Lillian losing the RC.

Edited to add: and anyway, the loved one reward and the lie are in Ep 10, next week, but the anxiety attack is in Ep 9, this week.


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87. "RE: Misto's BL Theory"
Misto--

I may be missing something, but the scenes of Lil/Jon talking are from Ep9. The "Big/Great Lie" happens in Ep10. So the lie cannot be something that is told during the tearful Lil/Jon meeting that we have seen promos of.

If I have misunderstood your theory, please clarify.

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91. "RE: Misto's BL Theory"
What I'm saying is that the lie starts in EP9 with Jon telling Lillian. Then in EP10 when the family visit happens and Jon gives it to Lillian that's when everyone hears it and gets all "awwww" for Jon. The viewing audience will also have heard the lie but really not think anything of it other than starting to kinda like Jon. But it's not until EP10 that everything really comes out in the open about it. Jon may even ask Lil not to say anything about it because he doesn't want people to see that vunerable side of him. He'll play on her sympathies for a little while and then when it suits his needs he'll use it to take it all the way to the bank.


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92. "RE: Misto's BL Theory"
LAST EDITED ON 11-19-03 AT 02:54 PM (EST)

Edited: Jinx! Beat me to it by a few seconds, Misto.


What if the lie is told by Jon in this episode (9) and then revealed in the next episode via a Jon confessional?

Everyone gets all lovey-dovey towards Jon and his butt gets saved at TC this episode and he celebrates the next morning by gloating about it in a confessional? THAT is what you'd expect from Jon and would cause Jiffy's jaw to drop when he hears about it later on.

Not that I particularly support this theory, but I'm throwing out a response to explain Misto's theory a bit more (correct me if I'm wrong, Misto).


Heidi: My biggest assets to the tribe are my athletic skills and my intelligence. I've lost one of them.
Jiffy: Which one?

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93. "RE: Misto's BL Theory"
Nope, obviously not wrong at all Pepe and exactly where my brain was while theorizing.

Great minds and all huh?


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115. "RE: Misto's BL Theory"
I don't want to say that Misto is wrong, because I see her as a spoiling goddess, but I think that Jon is just consoling Lil after her panic attack at RC. She has her shoes and her buff as a tube top (shudder) in this picture. I have only seen her outfitted like that when she competes.

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125. "RE: Misto's BL Theory"
LAST EDITED ON 11-20-03 AT 03:57 PM (EST)

Good eyes & thinkin' pancho - except in the RC (and IC) Lil is in her usual Scoutfit this episode. (Heh! Scoutfit!)

<>

(pic courtesy of TDT)

But then – that begs the question: “Why WOULD she be so scantily clad here?” Maybe the end of the RC challenge involves landing/diving in water (could somebody maybe ‘walk the plank’?) and her Scoutfit was drying.

~ EmRB

* edited to finish my freakin' thought!

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127. "RE: Misto's BL Theory"
"THEN, Jon wins the family visit. His lie is perpetuated by the fact that he doesn't have family come to him but a friend. Lil takes that as even more evidence that poor Jon is not really an annoying asshole, but a sad lonely, missing his grandma kinda guy. Jon sets the hook in Lil even stronger by then giving her the family visit. Telling her that he's seen through her how important family is and that SHE needs to be with her loved ones."

There's a spoiler over at Survivor Phoenix's S7 Spoiler Tracking Sheet that refers to a post here by Bebekid that Darrah is the winner of the reward challenge and that her boyfriend visited. Would you change your lie scenario to fit this spoiler?

http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/postnuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=542#family

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11-20-03, 10:59 PM (EST)
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129. "RE: Misto's BL Theory"
Actually no. I want Bebe to confirm this but I think the spoiler info she (Bebe) got was that Darrah was around for the family visit not that she actually WON the visit.

Bebe?

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131. "Here I am!"
*waves to Misto*

The cousin said that Darrah won some kind of reward and her boyfriend went down there and took her some things. But I did not get the feeling that she actually necessarily wins the challenge, just that the boyfriend was there to take part in it. So Darrah may win it, or she may not. Or it may be that the loved ones participate in the actual competition of the challenge (like in S4 and S5). His words made me believe that Darrah sees her boyfriend and interacts with him, but it may be like last season where each person got 10 minutes with their loved one.

Hope that helps clarify things. If not, ask away!


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132. "RE: Here I am!"
*waves back at bebe*

Thanks sweetie, that does clarify thing beautifully.

So, my answer to hellsbelle is no, I wouldn't change my theory with this info.

We know that Darrah is around for the family visit RC but there's not indication that she actually wins.

I think most of the families will have brought things for their survivors "just in case". It doesn't necessarily mean that they actually receive the things.


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11-19-03, 02:39 PM (EST)
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89. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
The only castaways that can catch fish are Rupert and Burton, a very valuable and desirable commodity.
If one of them were to get booted this week, who is more likely to sabotage the food supply to try to make themselves needed for the others survival. IMO - Burton.
Which would mean we would be saying goodbye to Rupert this week.

URANG

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98. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
Hi

did jp mention that the BIG lie is HUGE, but does not affect the outcome of the game?

I mean...it's gonna be big, but if it doesnt affect the voting...then what's the big deal about it?

well maybe Rupert swears he'll be jon's enemy for life...then in the finale, they make up and kiss, cause we'll be rooting for jon when he's in the final 3, and the other two treat him like crap, such that we would pick neither one of the two to win (lillian and mystery person)...like big brother 4.

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99. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
I mean...it's gonna be big, but if it doesnt affect the voting...then what's the big deal about it?

Apparantly you haven't been watching us spoil/speculate and otherwise vivisect everything this season!

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102. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"

>Apparantly you haven't been watching us
>spoil/speculate and otherwise vivisect everything
>this season!


yeah sometimes i think it's overdone =P

but it's fun to watch.
every little details!

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105. "RE: Survivor 7 Episode 10 press release - "The Great Lie" on WEDNESDAY 11/26"
Well I don't know that Jeff said huge. He said brutal and brilliant and it was the greatest lie ever told. Sometimes the best lies are very simple


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106. "out on a limb with tennyson"
Author: Alfred Tennyson Tennyson (1809–1892)
"That a lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies;
That a lie which is all a lie may be met and fought with outright;
But a lie which is part a truth is a harder matter to fight."
From: The Grandmother. Stanza 8

Maybe this is the grandmother reference.
I know that not many people would get this, but think back to "The wedding" - I'll bet that not many got that title either.

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108. "Wow! That's very neat..."
And, I think that's also probably the reference they were going for! Good catch.

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110. "RE: out on a limb with tennyson"
"think back to "The wedding" - I'll bet that not many got that title either."


Not sure what you are referring to here, but there was an actual wedding - its just that the Yahoo Platnum people got to see it. Christa got married.

Also, many of us thought that wedding = merge. And there was a merge that episode. So it actually had a double meaning.


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113. "RE: out on a limb with tennyson"
I was thinking that the promos had something like - "A never seen before survivor event, a wedding."
I don't think that the general public as thinking
wedding = merge
since the merge is certainly not a never before seen event.
I did 'see' the wedding through the magic of Markopolo's prose but again I don't think that the general public is into the Yahoo extras.
I think that most people would have been confused at the wedding title, if they even pay attention to the titles.
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107. "Eve & Adam"
Isn't the "GRANDMOTHER" of all lies about TAKING FOOD & DENYING IT?

Specifically Eve & Adam eating the apple in the garden of Eden and then denying it when Questioned by the Almighty?

We have someone apparently stealing oranges in camp, and Ryno indicated he thought it was Christa. - Ok, oranges aren't apples but it may be close enough for MB.

We also have the Tease that someones may have sabatoged the food.

This could be all tied together to say the Grandmother of all lies is that Christa is stealing food to keep her strength up for the challenges late in the game - but someone else gets blamed for it and exits the game.

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109. "Things this LIE is not about"
I've been reading the speculation about this LIE since Jeff first opened his yap about it. Since I didn't have any evidence as to what the LIE may be, I didn't post about it. Still, I've been hearing theory after theory, and now I want to put in my 2 cents about what this LIE isn't.

It's NOT a LIE about alliances. In a game of deceipt, lying about alliances is more common than telling the truth about them. There is no shock value there, and no matter who lied about whom, it wouldn't make Jeff utter an expletive.

It's NOT a LIE about stealing food. We've had food thieves since this show started. What's more, stealing food would be something that one could see coming. And we've also had people blame others for their thievery. **coughClarencecough** No shock value there.

It's NOT a LIE about someone's occupation. At this late stage of the game, who cares really?

It's certainly not a LIE about Big Baby Osten.

In order for this LIE to be "shocking", cause Jeff to curse, and be worthy of an episode title, it would have to be about A) something that no one in a game built around LIES would be expected to LIE about, or B) something that goes beyond the pale of playing a game (Misto's "Dead Grandmother" LIE would fit here).

I still don't really have a thought as to what that might be, but we'll find out soon enough.

Fester <-- likes Misto's idea more than any other he's seen.

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111. "RE: Things this LIE is not about"
Fester <-- likes Misto's idea more than any other he's seen.

Now all is right with the world.


--*sighs happily*

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114. "RE: Things this LIE is not about"
If Jeff fell for the lie, I'm more inclined to believe the lie happened when Jeff was there to hear it. This could only be at a challenge or at tribal council. If it were about the food, that would be at camp and I don't think the person who lied would then at TC or a challenge start talking about it...

The lie is brutal and brilliant. Brutal can infer that it hurt someone greatly OR that it was brutal in just the content (I'd say using family in a lie is pretty brutal) Brilliant could infer that it elicited the response it was meant to elicit (e.g. ploy for sympathy, turn around of people's feelings/thoughts of someone either positive/negative, etc.) The lovely MF'r of course was Jeff not believing he fell for something like this and (IMO) that he fell for it when he should have known better not to.

Misto's theory has pretty much encompassed what I think the lie entails

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116. "RE: Things this LIE is not about"
Let's don't forget that Jeff also said that he didn't think the other tribe members would know UNTIL THEY WATCHED THE SHOW. I wonder if it will even be obvious to us? After all, when Jeff figured out it was a lie seems to be after he saw/heard it, which indicates to me that it is something he has to put together in his own mind to see through it.

Just a thought.

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117. "RE: Things this LIE is not about"
or to add on to your thoughts as well, Jeff could have found out by watching the liar admitting to the lie in the safe cocoon of confessional


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118. "RE: Things this LIE is not about"
This seems most logical, since I've always believed Jeff views some rough footage of what is going on back at the camp, given his pointed questions at TC.

Maybe the camera crew that filmed the confessional even took it to Jeff and said "get a load of this, you won't believe it." J Pro takes a look and says "M....F.....!"

I think Misto is on the right track with the lie. Though I think the whole thing is going to transpire in Ep 10 though, as opposed to starting tonight.


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119. "RE: Things this LIE is not about"
And I'll go out on a limb and I predict it is going to be about as "big a lie" as the "big regret" was a big regret!

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120. "RE: Things this LIE is not about"
In light of this week's prognostication (Lil betrays Rupert and he gets booted) I think Lil will tell the grandmother of all lies (to Rupert) and then regret it when she loses the overall win to the other last person standing (Rupert having swayed the jury).

But the fact that I posit this means it won't happen. I am Sod's Law of Spoiling.



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121. "RE: Big lie"
LAST EDITED ON 11-20-03 AT 03:10 PM (EST)

Lillian actual is a Bi*ch and she's been lying about it the whole time. Probably has a confessional about her fake crying into her Scout shirt. She's really hiding her laugh as she suckers Jon in.


In her confessional: My goal is to vote out all those sons of bitches, just the way I promised at the TC when they voted me back in.

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124. "RE: Things this LIE is not about"
>And I'll go out on a limb and I predict it
>is going to be about as "big a lie" as the
>"big regret" was a big regret!

I think that in all fairness to Jeff, he expected Osten would regret it.....I think the big lie will be a big lie...although, it won't be anything near as big as we're all speculating it will be..

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122. "RE: Things this LIE is not about"
I think we may not see the actually telling of the lie until EP10, but I do believe Jon's going to start lining the nest for it tonight. Even a little "gosh you've got such a good heart, you remind me of my grandmother..." will set the stage for the lie next week.

Of course, this could all fall down and Jon really is just trying to see if he can get Lil to help him get in Darrah's pants. *blech*


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123. "RE: Things this LIE is not about"
>It's NOT a LIE about someone's occupation.
>At this late stage of the game, who cares really?

My only comment on this part (I agree with you on everything else) is that the Big Lie could be someone has been lying about their occupation all along, and finally, next week, they confess in their BOOT Confessional that they've been lying all along...

Everyone seems to be assuming that the lie is *told* next week...but maybe it's been being told all along, and we're going to find out next week that it was a lie...

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Acawap 184 desperate attention whore postings
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11-20-03, 04:46 PM (EST)
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126. "RE: Things this LIE is not about"
Jiffy also described it as a flat out lie that one person told everybody else and they believed it. To me, lying about your profession isn't something you flat out tell people. The only person this kind of lie really could elicit a response about is Lil, and she doesn't go around saying she's a scoutmaster... it's implied because of her uniform, etc, but that it could be the BL still doesn't make any sense to me.

I'm in the camp that the lie is told and revealed via confessional in ep 10. I'm also of the belief that Jon is either the liar, or the mastermind of the lie that is told by someone else. However, I don't believe he tells it to Lillian, because I don't see how that will help, seeing how he, Lil and Burton seem to be a logical alliance of three.

More likely, I think, is that he lies to/about Burton (or Rupert if it starts this episode), to get the stronger men voted off and leave himself with the women. Maybe he has Lillian do it (who would suspect Lillian of lying)?

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11-25-03, 02:44 PM (EST)
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134. "RE: Things this LIE is not about"
Acawap, I speculated above that I thought Lil or Burton would be the best person to tell the BL. If you read my post you will see my thoughts and I stick by those thoughts.

If Jon is the one that tells the BL...I would not even be amazed.

Oh well, little over 24 hours to go! WOO HOO!

GO VOLS!

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11-20-03, 11:02 PM (EST)
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130. "total speculation"
Jon has someone from home lie for him-saying his granny is sick and dying-or whatever-to get sympathy from the others. Wouldn't put it past Jonny Assplay.


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