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"Unexpected Game Change?"
Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings
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"Unexpected Game Change?" |
"Jeff Probst (in game): Once again, game change when you least expect it."
The observation has been made that Andrew may be wearing a blue Drake buff. Is this as a result of the unexpected "game change"?
Does the "game change" involve several players being swapped to the opposite tribe prior to the Immunity challenge? Does Andrew end up competing as a Drake for immunity? They compete for immunity as tribes, but are the tribe members swapped prior to the challenge? Is that why we are only shown aerial photos...because the tribemembers are switched before the challenge? Is this the swap that results in Ryan O. getting the boot as a result of a swap? Or is there some much simpler explanation for the "blue buff around Andrews neck? 
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11-04-03, 00:32 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
I think that we have a spoiler that the merge color is black, but I might be mistaken.
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11-04-03, 00:36 AM (EST)
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3. "1 more player returns?" |
Wasn't there a spoiler that THREE players returned to the game?So far we only have 2. It would seem to me that we are still due 1 more. Maybe there's another Ghost tribe challenge, but this time Morgan or Drake beat the Ghosties, and only 1 Ghostie gets to come back in this time? Or maybe A Ghostie comes in thru a different method other than a challenge.
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11-04-03, 00:46 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: 1 more player returns?" |
Jiffy told only two have the chance to come back... one in each tribe to replace Osten and Shawn.
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11-04-03, 01:34 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: 1 more player returns?" |
Good thought - the earlier you are booted, the better. I was thinking that Trish hasn't really benefitted from LL, other than one good night's sleep, as much as Burton (six days, seven nights?). And obviously, Nicole, Ryan S, and Lil much more.Anyway, I believe the buff is the merged tribe buff, rumored to be black, just off shade here. Based upon the IC challenge pics in another thread. IMO, too late to switch people around. (Unless - let's see, IC to bring back two outcasts, a tribal RC next day, Drake wins and steals Andrew for a day, similar to Rupert steal, he's a Drake for one day, THEN they show up third day to IC, on tribe mats, learn it's a merge, etc. Could be . . . .) Can anyone tell from the background which island he is more likely on?
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11-04-03, 00:51 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
I agree with you. Probably it's MB's move to screw alliances made by original 8 qualified players. This might be a good support for the spoilers saying Rhino is a victim of a twist.
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11-04-03, 01:02 AM (EST)
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10. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
I had a bad feeling that Andrew will be the next boot... He looks so stressed and ready to burst.
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11-04-03, 05:52 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: Just An Insight..." |
The blue that Andrew is wearing looks like the blue pattern along the edge that both team buffs share rather than the pale turquoise of the Drake buff. To me, at least.
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11-04-03, 07:33 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: Just An Insight..." |
LAST EDITED ON 11-04-03 AT 07:45 AM (EST)
This has been a big topic of discussion elsewhere. Shame I can't watch the video; not that it would probably help considering how quick these caps go by. Not saying one way or another but this pic of Rhino is suggestive that a buff could merit a trick of the eye.
Looking at the right side of his buff and considering the Andrew photo is slightly darker in contrast, I don't think it is out the realm of possibility his buff is turned along with his head turned and the lighting the blue of the Morgan buff is shown and/or his buff is turned inside out as well. And Once Again, Game Change etc. could be Jeff greeting the Survivors into the next challenge discussing what had happened as opposed to what will happen. Who knows one way or another though. In reading the other threads here and elsewhere it certainly would change things up. Personally if this does happen I think all this is now bordering on the ridiculous; just merge them and be done.
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11-04-03, 01:07 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
"the game changes when you least expect it?", There is another voice over that says, "it will change the face of the game"! I think there is another twist in this episode that we haven't
picked up on. However, I am trying to find evidence of it! I agree Vols that there is another twist, but I believe it will go down something like this. The first 10 minutes of the show are for the TC to vote the 2 Ghosties back in (Burton and Lill), they pick a random tribe buff and go back to the respective tribes...Lill to Morgan and Burton to Drake. Two castaways make amends (Burton and either Rupe or Sandra), while another shows resentment at the turn of events. (Andrew) They believe that they are still the two tribes and they start to bond and scheme etc... They get sea mail and get ready for a tribal challenge. They arrive at IC in the two tribes and are presented with new merge buffs from Jiffy and learn that this will be individual immunity at stake (This is where MB stretches the "it will change the face of the game! remark) After the IC before tribal council they celebrate the merge with a survivor wedding (again stretching the wording a bit, still can't figure out if I believe this one) The merged tribe votes out Andrew who has become Mr. Paranoid since the ghosties have arrived on the scene. Even on his brothers website here the words next to the pumpkin say "May all of Mark Burnett's ghosts come back to haunt him"...Sounds like someone swallowed a bitter pill. 
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11-04-03, 05:48 PM (EST)
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43. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
Maybe Jon wins immunity and not Lill. Now THAT would be shocking!
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11-04-03, 02:32 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-04-03 AT 04:54 PM (EST)Breezy- Not all spoilers have proven to be correct, so I guess it all depends on how much credence you give that particular spoiler. I have also seen that Snewser has upgraded Jonny Fairplay's position on his scorecard. Since the Snews has a 100% track record so far this season,and Andrew is lowest on the scorecard with a thumbs down...along with other things considered I am ready to say bye bye to Savage.
(edited to add breezy's name since she asked the question and a lot of others have things between her question and my answer)
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11-04-03, 01:30 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
>Even on his brothers website here the words next to the pumpkin say "May all of Mark Burnett's ghosts come back to haunt him"...Sounds like someone swallowed a bitter pill.Excellent point, KO fan! Also note the "Go Morgan!" banner below the Halloween message. This is reminiscent of Alicia's "Go Kucha!" cheer to fans in NYC just prior to S2's merge. It was indicative of her lack of identity with the merged tribe. Post-game, she still associated herself with Kucha, and our sleuths here correctly concluded that if she got to the merge at all, she went very soon after. Mind you, the "Go Morgan" is from Android's brother, so it is Morgan-identity by association, but I think this along with the MB slam indicates that Android's number is up.
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11-04-03, 03:04 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-04-03 AT 03:07 PM (EST)I was looking around at Andrew's brother's website and an interesting thing happened. When I went to the download area, the buttons at the top of the page changed and included one that said: Andrew  I wasn't a lit link, so I couldn't click on it, and when I moved the mouse over it, football came up on my screen. Then I went back to the hompage to figure out how I got there, and the links were different and the "Andrew " link was gone, but the link on the far left didn't have any text on it. Also, the second time, there was music playing on the home page which didn't happen the first time I clicked it. I think somebody is at this moment doing some work to the website, and that after Thursday the Andrew link will be live. Bye-bye Savage. Edited to make it clear that the link did not have an actual frown face, just the keyboard equivalent of a colon and a left parenthesis.
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11-04-03, 01:49 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
KB - I think that is just part of the blue on the orange buff. Someone posted a good picture above. I think the game change is simply the fact that they don't merge yet as they expected to and there is one more tribe eviction. Corvis
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11-04-03, 03:32 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
>Possible twist then, a former Drake
>goes to Morgan, a former Morgan goes
>to Drake. Problem with that is what happens if two get voted back in from the same tribe? MB said that after the two are voted back in, JPro throws a buff of each color into the urn, that's how it's determined. What I was wondering though...Are there two buffs thrown in, and one member goes to each tribe? Or does each get to pick from two buffs...leaving the possibility of both going to the same tribe? I'd assume that since Jeff used the phrase "to replace the member voted out"..that one member voted back will go to each tribe...
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11-04-03, 03:38 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
I don't think two getting voted back in who were on the original same tribe together would be a problem for MB et al. From what Jeff said both the Drake and the Morgan will both be getting a returning bootie, since they were both defeated by the Outcasts. I don't recall any other conditions being stated. How the Outcasts vote may be entirely up to them.
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11-04-03, 03:44 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
I think JP led the tribes to believe there is no merge yet - and then as someone else suggests they are asked to come to a "wedding" would explain Sandra's long sleeves and Tijuana's Shirt - when they get there - the wedding is the merge. I dont think they are expecting a merge at all - by the way JP went on about letting the re-imerged player have a chance in his/her new tribe and that each tribe would be getting someone yadda yadda yadda - I think the last thing they expect is the merge.
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11-04-03, 06:31 PM (EST)
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46. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
volsfan, I'll try to help.The Ryan O. spoiler was posted on Sucks by a VicVega. It said the rumors around Los Gatos (Ryan's hometown) were that Ryan was the victim of a switch, a la Silas in S3. It also said that Ryan was supposedly not too fond of the Drake women. VicVega subsequently went back and deleted all the content in his post. His subject-header said that Ryan would go in Ep 5 or Ep 6, but I believe that part was sheer conjecture because of the switch rumor -- that's normally around when a switch would occur. FWIW, I didn't put too much credence into it. In S6 there was a similar "rumor" about Alex being the victim of a switch. If anything were going to happen resembling this, it seems like Ryan O. should have been voted out last week, as a casualty of the twist. And the flip side is, if he "didn't care for the Drake women", it's very likely he was with them after the merge. As for Andrew, some of the reasons he could be in trouble are: 1) Osten is gone; they were closely allied. 2) Darrah said she's allied with two other people. Andrew wanted her out after Lill, so it's unlikely he's in her alliance. She was holding hands with Ryan O. at the last TC, so likely he is one of the two, and the other is Tijuana. If these three are allied, and they can't vote for the returnee at the next TC, they'll vote for Andrew. That would be enough to get him out. 3) If Lillian comes back to Morgan, she may have it in for him, since he arranged her ouster -- especially since we know he's going to be less than thrilled to have her back. So she might vote for him as well. 4) No spoilers ever surfaced about Andrew going far. Snewser at first had Andrew as neutral, then later upgraded him saying that he'd gotten a clue that Andrew might make the jury, but was trying to confirm it. I gather he wasn't able to.
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11-04-03, 07:22 PM (EST)
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47. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
BR, I agree. I think Ryan O and T are aligned more strongly that Andrew and Ryno. I'm not sure yet who I think will come back to Morgan, but Lil would be out for Andy, and if a Drake goes over to Morgan from the GT, they may see Andy as the "leader" threat, so I think Andy is vulnerable.Also, Jiffy stated that the GT members would be immune to IC, so it should not be a surprise to either tribe that a merge will not happen until after the next TC. Changing the face of the game could simply be that the GT votees go back to different tribes, or that Andy, the leader will not be there for the merge. I'm not too picky on what this statement from Jiffy means, as they are normally sensationalized. No, I don't think that tribes will be mixed up during the RC to form new tribes before the next TC, only to merge the next episode, but that would be a twist.
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11-04-03, 07:48 PM (EST)
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48. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
Volsfan, as Brownroach explained the VicVega Spoiler was the source of the “Ryan goes because of the switch” rumor. While I agree that most of it was conjecture, I still believe there may be something to it…As Brownroach points out Ryan’s comment that he “didn’t care for the Drake women” suggests that he makes it to the merge where he interacts with the Drake women. There is reason to believe Ryan goes in EP8, after Andrew. EP8 is also when the merge is reported to take place… So, we might still speculate that the event (“switch/swap”) that VicVega reported would lead to Ryan’s demise, turns out to be the tribal merge,( which Vicvega mistakenly assumed was an EP5 or EP6 swap.)…in addition, the Drake women that Ryan didn’t care for are the same women that may very well organize his boot in EP8…Christa and Sandra.
As for Andrew, Brownroach has done a fine job explaining why Andrew is in trouble...
However, I’m in the camp that believes Burton goes to Morgan, making all Andrew’s reasons for the booting Lillian moot…the other Morgan need not break their “promise” to vote off Lil and HE suddenly becomes the target of Darrah’s alliance with Ryan and Tijuana, while Burton is kept around as a challenge asset, or shield/target in the event of a merge.
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11-04-03, 08:52 PM (EST)
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51. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
Nice analysis KB, as usual, you are one of my favorite spoilers that I enjoy reading what you have to say each week, our thoughts are usually very similar!I do disagree with you on one thing you said above: However, I’m in the camp that believes Burton goes to Morgan, making all Andrew’s reasons for the booting Lillian moot…the other Morgan need not break their “promise” to vote off Lil and HE suddenly becomes the target of Darrah’s alliance with Ryan and Tijuana, while Burton is kept around as a challenge asset, or shield/target in the event of a merge. In the last episode he made his tribe promise not to let ANY of the outcasts get a foothold in their tribe, that none of them deserve to be in the game. He never singled Lil out at all. He said the next chance they get they would be voting for whoever the outcast was. Keep writing those great summaries!!!!! 
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11-04-03, 10:51 PM (EST)
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53. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
Hi KOFan! (Thanks, but the summaries are just that, summaries of all the great spoiling that everyone contributes!)
>In the last episode he made
>his tribe promise not to
>let ANY of the outcasts
>get a foothold in their
>tribe, that none of them
>deserve to be in the
>game. He never singled
>Lil out at all.
>He said the next chance
>they get they would be
>voting for whoever the outcast
>was.
Yeah, you're right, he never singled out Lil, but I got the impression from the editing that Andrew assumed a former Morgan (either Ryan or Lil) would be returning to Morgan...just like Sandra was edited expecting Burton to return to Drake. Therefore they probably don't... It really doesn't matter since Burton and Lil both have immunity. Regardless who ends up on Morgan, they will undoubtably join with the Ryan/Tijuana/Darrah alliance to vote for the only other person they can...Andrew.
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11-04-03, 08:26 PM (EST)
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49. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
Brownroach...THANK YOU SO MUCH. For some reason my mind wasn't with everyone else on this one. The things you write really make me worried cause Andrew is one my favorites!
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11-04-03, 04:07 PM (EST)
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40. "Lillian's wedding" |
On Lillian's yahoo insider chat, she said winning that challenge was like a "wedding", could it be that Lillian takes part in her first challenge victory, feeling like a "wedding"?
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11-04-03, 05:12 PM (EST)
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42. "RE: Unexpected Game Change?" |
I'm not sure about what the Unexpected Game change could be, but I dont think it's got anything to do with that picture. All that picture looks like to me is that Andrew's Morgan buff is turned so that the survivor logo is up in that direction. With that said, I do feel that there will be a buff trade before there will be a merge. I just don't think it happens now.
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11-05-03, 12:47 PM (EST)
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55. "wasn't S5 Delayed?" |
I thought the merge was Delayed in S5, resulting in the Shi Ann ouster.In S5 the Tribes were given a communal camp, but the tribes weren't actually merged until they were down to 9 players I think. So, would delaying the merge really change the game? It's already been done. Having said that, I guess it's a little different if this time they don't even move to a communal camp. I suppose that would put extra pressure on the players that didn't occur in S5 when the THOUGHT they had merged. Leaving them seperate plays a little different mind game than it did in S5. This also plays into Ruperts comment that there are no guarantees, "there may not even be a merge". It's probably a minor point, but thought I'd ask anyways.
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