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VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-24-03, 12:54 PM (EST) "The G/D/M Challenge" VO> "Something amazing is happening on Survivor...something that has never happened before." Andrew> "It's a game to end all games" VO> "The tribes will face their worst nightmare." JP> "Your past has come back to haunt you" VO> "Survivors voted out are coming back" Sandra> "No way" Rupert> "I was ready to kill" VO> "And wait'll you see how they change the game" <Survivors yelling> VO> "Don't miss the episode, everyone will be talking about" JP> "You may be going home" VO> "Catch an all new Survivor, CBS Thursday" Trying to get more caps, will post more.   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: The G/D/M Challenge VerucaSalt 10-24-03 1    RE: The G/D/M Challenge wendyp 10-24-03 2        RE: The G/D/M Challenge Breezy 10-24-03 3            RE: The G/D/M Challenge pmspml5 10-24-03 4                RE: The G/D/M Challenge VerucaSalt 10-24-03 5                RE: The G/D/M Challenge aethelstan 10-24-03 6            RE: The G/D/M Challenge Brownroach 10-24-03 7                RE: The G/D/M Challenge VerucaSalt 10-24-03 8                    RE: The G/D/M Challenge pmspml5 10-24-03 9                        RE: The G/D/M Challenge Brownroach 10-24-03 13  Responding to Krautboy's question..... Brownroach 10-24-03 10    RE: Responding to Krautboy's questi... pmspml5 10-24-03 11  RE: The G/D/M Challenge blacknwhitedog 10-24-03 12    RE: The G/D/M Challenge Bebo 10-24-03 14    Nicole Devious Weasel 10-24-03 15        RE: Nicole pmspml5 10-24-03 16            RE: Nicole Brownroach 10-24-03 17        RE: Nicole IslandFever 10-24-03 50  RE: The G/D/M Challenge Blow by Blow 10-24-03 18    RE: The G/D/M Challenge rnabring 10-24-03 19        RE: The G/D/M Challenge ginger 10-24-03 20    RE: The G/D/M Challenge Brownroach 10-24-03 21        can I embarrass myself cqvenus 10-24-03 24  RE: The G/D/M Challenge AZ_Leo 10-24-03 22    RE: The G/D/M Challenge anotherkim 10-24-03 23        RE: The G/D/M Challenge pmspml5 10-24-03 25            Interesting Breezy 10-24-03 26                RE: Interesting - Something I just ... pmspml5 10-24-03 27            RE: The G/D/M Challenge Blow by Blow 10-24-03 36                RE: The G/D/M Challenge Brownroach 10-24-03 38                    RE: The G/D/M Challenge Blow by Blow 10-24-03 41                        intimidation and solidarity anotherkim 10-24-03 56            RE: The G/D/M Challenge redbeard103152 10-26-03 83  Ok, let's kick this around.... rose 10-24-03 28    RE: Ok, let's kick this around.... pmspml5 10-24-03 29    RE: Ok, let's kick this around.... Breezy 10-24-03 30    RE: Ok, let's kick this around.... aethelstan 10-24-03 31        RE: Ok, let's kick this around.... pmspml5 10-24-03 32            RE: Ok, let's kick this around.... Breezy 10-24-03 33                RE: Ok, let's kick this around.... KeithFan 10-24-03 65    RE: Ok, let's kick this around.... Brownroach 10-24-03 35        RE: Ok, let's kick this around.... rose 10-24-03 37            RE: Ok, let's kick this around.... Brownroach 10-24-03 39                RE: Ok, let's kick this around.... mistofleas 10-27-03 93    RE: Ok, let's kick this around.... I_Got_Nutn 10-24-03 52        RE: Ok, let's kick this around.... Nash 10-24-03 57            RE: Ok, let's kick this around.... I_Got_Nutn 10-24-03 63        RE: Ok, let's kick this around.... Kokoro 10-25-03 69  RE: The G/D/M Challenge pancho 10-24-03 34    RE: The G/D/M Challenge pdragonfly 10-24-03 40        RE: The G/D/M Challenge Acawap 10-24-03 42            RE: The G/D/M Challenge pdragonfly 10-24-03 45        RE: The G/D/M Challenge pdragonfly 10-24-03 44            RE: The G/D/M Challenge pdragonfly 10-24-03 46                RE: The G/D/M Challenge tribephyl 10-25-03 67                    RE: The G/D/M Challenge pdragonfly 10-25-03 71    RE: The G/D/M Challenge Loquatrix 10-24-03 59  RE: The G/D/M Challenge Goooey_Alley 10-24-03 43    RE: The G/D/M Challenge VerucaSalt 10-24-03 47        RE: The G/D/M Challenge pdragonfly 10-24-03 48        RE: The G/D/M Challenge Goooey_Alley 10-24-03 51            RE: The G/D/M Challenge PokeyOkie 10-24-03 61                RE: The G/D/M Challenge Breezy 10-25-03 75  Another scenario Blow by Blow 10-24-03 49    RE: Another scenario VerucaSalt 10-24-03 53        RE: Another scenario pdragonfly 10-24-03 54            RE: Another scenario Loquatrix 10-24-03 58            RE: Another scenario I_Got_Nutn 10-24-03 64        RE: Another scenario dendanash 10-24-03 55            RE: Another scenario Loquatrix 10-24-03 60                RE: Another scenario Goooey_Alley 10-24-03 62            RE: Another scenario VerucaSalt 10-25-03 68                RE: Another scenario pdragonfly 10-25-03 72  RE: The G/D/M Challenge SurvivorJoel 10-25-03 66  What if... 1unatic 10-25-03 70  My two cents KingMob 10-25-03 73    A similar theory ExInterper 10-27-03 95  Compete as Pairs? mavsfan 10-25-03 74    WOW anninvt2002 10-25-03 76    RE: Compete as Pairs? Loquatrix 10-25-03 77        RE: Compete as Pairs? silentJ 10-28-03 146    RE: Compete as Pairs? Brownroach 10-27-03 98  where is skinny ryan? pinay_racer 10-26-03 78    RE: where is skinny ryan? SurvivorJoel 10-26-03 79        RE: where is skinny ryan? PhoenixMons 10-26-03 81            About this pic BeerNuts 10-26-03 82                RE: About this pic Solitaire 10-26-03 84                    RE: About this pic BeerNuts 10-27-03 113                RE: About this pic coolflowerpowerman 10-26-03 88        RE: where is skinny ryan? Goooey_Alley 10-26-03 86  what if..last place tribe goes home... pinay_racer 10-26-03 80    Anyone else notice..... SmilinNSide 10-26-03 85        RE: Anyone else notice..... VerucaSalt 10-26-03 87            RE: Anyone else notice..... pmspml5 10-27-03 102    RE: what if..last place tribe goes ... coolflowerpowerman 10-26-03 89  Nicole Comes Back coolflowerpowerman 10-26-03 90    RE: Nicole Comes Back VerucaSalt 10-27-03 91        RE: Nicole Comes Back Brownroach 10-27-03 92            One member returns rose 10-27-03 94                RE: One member returns VerucaSalt 10-27-03 96                    RE: One member returns mistofleas 10-27-03 97    RE: Nicole Comes Back SmirnoffRabbit 10-27-03 99        RE: Nicole Comes Back mistofleas 10-27-03 100            RE: more ??? pmspml5 10-27-03 101                RE: more ??? VerucaSalt 10-27-03 103                    RE: more ??? Acawap 10-27-03 104                        Read on... Brownroach 10-27-03 105                            RE: Read on... Acawap 10-27-03 109                                RE: Read on... pmspml5 10-27-03 114                                RE: Read on... Brownroach 10-27-03 115                                    RE: Read on... VerucaSalt 10-27-03 118                RE: more ??? Acawap 10-27-03 106                    RE: more ??? pdragonfly 10-27-03 107    RE: Nicole Comes Back Blow by Blow 10-27-03 132        RE: Nicole Comes Back coolflowerpowerman 10-27-03 134  RE: The G/D/M Challenge Acawap 10-27-03 108    RE: The G/D/M Challenge Brownroach 10-27-03 110        RE: The G/D/M Challenge mistofleas 10-27-03 111            RE: The G/D/M Challenge VerucaSalt 10-27-03 112                RE: The G/D/M Challenge pmspml5 10-27-03 116                Could someone clarify? aethelstan 10-28-03 140            RE: The G/D/M Challenge Loquatrix 10-27-03 117                RE: The G/D/M Challenge pmspml5 10-27-03 119                RE: The G/D/M Challenge VerucaSalt 10-27-03 120                RE: The G/D/M Challenge mistofleas 10-27-03 121                    RE: The G/D/M Challenge Loquatrix 10-27-03 123                        RE: The G/D/M Challenge mistofleas 10-27-03 125                RE: The G/D/M Challenge Brownroach 10-27-03 122                    RE: The G/D/M Challenge Acawap 10-27-03 124                        More food for thought about Andrew pmspml5 10-27-03 126                        RE: The G/D/M Challenge VerucaSalt 10-27-03 127                            RE: The G/D/M Challenge ExInterper 10-27-03 128                            RE: The G/D/M Challenge Brownroach 10-27-03 129                                RE: The G/D/M Challenge Blow by Blow 10-27-03 131                                RE: The G/D/M Challenge mistofleas 10-28-03 139                                    RE: The G/D/M Challenge Bebo 10-28-03 142                            Deserves new thresd forehead 10-27-03 130                            RE: The G/D/M Challenge jkokoj 10-27-03 133                                RE: The G/D/M Challenge Brownroach 10-28-03 137                                    RE: The G/D/M Challenge jkokoj 10-28-03 138                            RE: The G/D/M Challenge KObrien_fan 10-27-03 135                        RE: The G/D/M Challenge Spanky68 10-29-03 149  The ghost tribe vote to return O2dawg 10-28-03 136    Analyzing vidcaps from original 1st... jkokoj 10-28-03 141        RE: Analyzing vidcaps from original... mistofleas 10-28-03 143        RE: Analyzing vidcaps from original... VerucaSalt 10-28-03 144            RE: Analyzing vidcaps from original... jkokoj 10-28-03 145                RE: Analyzing vidcaps from original... VerucaSalt 10-28-03 147                    RE: Analyzing vidcaps pmspml5 10-29-03 148                    RE: Analyzing vidcaps from original... Loquatrix 10-29-03 150                        RE: Analyzing vidcaps from original... Nash 10-29-03 151                            RE: Analyzing vidcaps from original... Loquatrix 10-29-03 152                        RE: Analyzing vidcaps from original... Brownroach 10-29-03 153    RE: The ghost tribe vote to return Brownroach 10-29-03 154        RE: The ghost tribe vote to return VerucaSalt 10-29-03 155    RE: The ghost tribe vote to return big bobby clobber 10-30-03 156

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VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-24-03, 12:58 PM (EST) 1. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" LAST EDITED ON 10-24-03 AT 01:03 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 10-24-03 AT 01:01 PM (EST) Whoops, sorry after adding more I saw someone write a post about they are all there. Lock is needed   Top

wendyp 2081 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 10-24-03, 01:03 PM (EST) 2. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" In the group shot of the purple "dead" team you do not see Nicole. But in the secong pic looks liek Christa being tied to a pole as she is the only blonde left...But why is she not wearing her new clothes? should be an interesting challenge   Top

Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 01:13 PM (EST) 3. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Which shot are you looking at WP? I see all the booted players. Is Andrew trying to get in or out of that cage? He, Shawn and Burton are shown running to something.   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-24-03, 01:15 PM (EST) 4. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" He is trying to get in - they get in - untie first person then go to next - If you look close rupert is in the background on the Christa shot with his hands tied - and then later him and Shawn are shown exiting. So my guess is they have to get in then untie etc. down the line. But with all the hupla about Ryan O. being the victim of the twist and Osten's head shot - I'd say Morgan looses this challenge -   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-24-03, 01:23 PM (EST) 5. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" LAST EDITED ON 10-24-03 AT 01:25 PM (EST) Well let's see who stank at the knots before. Morgan. Perhaps all the talk of Lil the ScoutMaster will now come in handy if knots need to be untied and I presume Andrew is thinking now, I guess Osten's strength wouldn't come in handy for this now; should have kept Lil. IF the ghost tribe wins, I would imagine losing tribe votes a member out. If there is a "finish" line, could be the last tribe to run across it like we see here We are supposed to be seeing an older woman, young lady (not black hair) and a buff man be the ones to return per Griffe at Sucks. For every win, one returns and losing tribe has to vote one off? Hardly seems fair the GT gets so much advantage. I really am more inclined to believe one ghost gets their life back possibly by winning the first II. Not sure.   Top

aethelstan 4435 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-24-03, 01:24 PM (EST) 6. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" "Tonight there's gonna be a jailbreak" Thin Lizzy -aethelstan   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 01:44 PM (EST) 7. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Andrew, Burton and Shawn are running past J Pro toward the cages -- this is the beginning of the challenge. They have to get inside and start freeing up their tribemates.   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-24-03, 01:49 PM (EST) 8. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Okay so the others are in the jail and these three run to the cell and attempt to get in somehow (we know they are in there because I see them in cell). I saw that pic of Jeff too BR but wondered if he was just standing at a finish section since he would have to wait for everyone to get out but your idea is better. Hands are tied and it appears they are digging their way out. But if they are running to the jails and getting in to get them out how does the door get locked for someone to wiggle out and get them out. So many pictures to look at.   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-24-03, 01:54 PM (EST) 9. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" hummmmm -it doesnt look like the ghost tribe is tied up?????? You have five of them inside the cell right? and one missing or not showing - but no one is tied up - very interesting - very intersting indeed - I cant wait till next week - even if we find out what happens te hehehehehe   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 02:08 PM (EST) 13. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" If you're talking about the third cap, no they're not tied up, and Burton is in there so they must all be free by that point and working on the knots to open the door. Kinda makes it look like the Ghosties win, imo.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 01:54 PM (EST) 10. "Responding to Krautboy's question...." LAST EDITED ON 10-24-03 AT 06:27 PM (EST) ...from the other preview thread: What happens if the Ghost Tribe loses? Would MB really go to all this trouble to bring back the Ghost tribe just to have then lose and disappear once and for all? Seems to risky...there must be some mechanism whereby he has guaranteed the return of at least one member of the Ghost tribe. How does he do it? I agree with KB that MB is not going to do this in a way where it's possible that no one will come back. So the re-entry of players can't be dependent on the Ghost tribe winning the challenge. But I also think there must be a random element to it. The random element might be the finishing order. That could determine how many of the Ghost tribe come back. Maybe if the Ghost tribe finishes first, three Ghosties will get to return; if they come in second, two will return; if they come in last, only one will return. Then it's possible that the losing tribe out of Drake and Morgan will have to part with the corresponding number of people. I don't think this part of the challenge will determine what specific persons return and depart. Something else will happen afterward to determine that. But what? ***Edited to add more thoughts: Pondering this again, it would seem unfair for the Ghost Tribe to put anyone back if they finished last in the challenge. So, to slightly revise the above, I'll say: if the Ghosties finish first, two re-enter the game, and either one from each of Drake and Morgan leaves, or two from whichever finishes in third place leaves. If the Ghosties finish second, one comes back and one from the third place tribe leaves. I think MB might gamble on the Ghosties not finishing last, since they'll be rested and fed at LL.   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-24-03, 01:59 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Responding to Krautboy's question...." Sounds good to me - because the confessionals are all AFTER the challenge - right? But where are Sandra, Jon - they aren't in any of the pics - uggggggg more twists then a prezel - lolol   Top

blacknwhitedog 6532 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 02:02 PM (EST) 12. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" For some reason I can't see the caps you posted, but here's a link to some caps on Snewser http://www.survivornews.net/~images/index.php?pageType=folder&currDir=./Panama/E7/s7e7webprv It looks to me from #21 that Nicole must be sitting out this challenge- she is not in the cage with the other ghosties. Another quality Ice Cat creation 2003   Top

Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 02:09 PM (EST) 14. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" It looks to me from #21 that Nicole must be sitting out this challenge- she is not in the cage with the other ghosties. It makes sense that the Ghosties would have to sit someone out, so that it's 5-5-5. Maybe Nicole was automatically picked to sit out as the first bootee, or maybe she was chosen because that dress doesn't lend itself well for crawling and digging. We really do have guidelines here. Believe it or not, the Guidelines make things more fun. Really.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 02:10 PM (EST) 15. "Nicole" Maybe she's not participating at all. Perhaps there was an initial competition to see which five of the six ghost tribe members got to participate. It would be easier to manage if there were an even number of people on the three tribes.   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-24-03, 02:28 PM (EST) 16. "RE: Nicole" I kinda looks like they are all looking out of the ghost jail cell at someone or something - could be Nicole - mmm   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 02:35 PM (EST) 17. "RE: Nicole" I think they are just working on getting that door untied. Nicole might be in the cell somewhere, though you'd think you'd see a swatch of her blue dress. I don't know, it just seems stupid to bring them all back as a new "tribe" and then sit someone out, especially if this is going to be the only challenge they compete in. And it wouldn't give the Ghosties any real disadvantage to have to untie an extra person.   Top

IslandFever 205 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 10-24-03, 07:01 PM (EST) 50. "RE: Nicole" There is a picture of Michelle with her arm around Nicole. Nicole must have sat out of the challenge to make the tribes even.   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-24-03, 02:36 PM (EST) 18. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" A couple of things: My gut emotional reaction to seeing RyanS and Nicole coming out of the woods - disappointment. These people were big-time Survivor losers, I don't care about them any more, I don't want to see them on my TV screen. The only way the ghost tribe will be intriguing is if the people who were somehow 'betrayed' (Lill, Trish, Burton) and are bitter might come back. I guaran-goddamn-tee that MB won't get people flocking back to the show to see RyanS, Nicole and Michelle. Second thing - Christa pops out of her top! I didn't know that was possible. So the nudity count goes up again. Is this the most naked Survivor ever?!? (Andrew, Osten, RyanO, Darrah, Tijuana, Christa) This whole Ghost Tribe thing better work out really well or MB's gonna look stupid. -P   Top

rnabring 54 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-24-03, 03:00 PM (EST) 19. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" I agree with Blow by Blow. I believe that editting will assist us in figuring out who comes back (if they do?) by looking at the story of their character. 1) Nicole---who cares? It seems to be a big sentiment among viewers, and not only because of her being voted out first. 2) Ryan S---who cares? Same as above, and his story line is finished...or was there a story line? 3) Lillian---lots of forshadowing and unfinished business that MB didn't need to show (discussion w/ Andrew) and spoiler reports of her losing weight (who knows about that, though). 4) Burton---who? Seriously, he didn't even have a story or an interesting one at that. For MB to edit someone like that and have them be a returnee would be a serious disappointment. 5) Michelle---who? first two boots off of Drake made me snore. She doesn't have unfinished business, as she was editted. 6) Trish---Unfinished business with her tribe, perhaps. No forshadowing of her return. Also, MB painted her as being VERY obnoxious in the challenges (yelling, screaming...frankly, I wanted to punch her). I know that I'm leaving a lot of information out, but logically and based on editting, if someone does come back, it's going to be Lillian. There may be others who come back or get to vote or whatever, but Lillian appears to have been editted in a way that leaves the AVERAGE viewer with a sense of disappointment and unfinished business that she needs to tend to.   Top

ginger 22512 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 03:04 PM (EST) 20. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" All in all, I don't think this will be as exciting as when Amy returned to the BB house. And let's forget all about Zack, shall we?   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 03:10 PM (EST) 21. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" My gut emotional reaction to seeing RyanS and Nicole coming out of the woods - disappointment. Not me. I didn't know how I was gonna feel about this twist, but seeing these clips I think it's gonna be really good. It's creepy seeing all of them come back -- and perfect for the pirate theme, and perfect for Halloween. My ideal scenario about how this plays out: everyone on the Ghost tribe gets back in the game, and all the remaining Morons get sent packing immediately. Osten can carry the flag on the way out, if it's not too heavy for him. (I know it won't happen this way, but I can dream, can't I???)   Top

cqvenus 9765 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 03:48 PM (EST) 24. "can I embarrass myself" just a little? I'm starting to like Andrew... eeek! cq's Joe Millionaire summary!!!   Top

AZ_Leo 3526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-24-03, 03:31 PM (EST) 22. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" LAST EDITED ON 10-24-03 AT 03:32 PM (EST) Forgive me if this has already been mentioned. I haven't been able to keep up with spoilers. Could it be as simple as first 10 people (from whichever tribe)to cross the finish line make up the merge tribe? Morgan and Drake would have a vested interest in helping get as many of their own alliance members across as possible but would they risk being slowed down and losing their own shot? Just an idea. Edited for spelling.   Top

anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 03:43 PM (EST) 23. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" The problem I see with that theory is that one tribe could be totally eliminated if they had trouble with the cage. While MB is evil, I don't think he would pull something like that. I do like the idea, though, and it would be a great way to cull them once they are in an individual challenge situation.   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-24-03, 04:02 PM (EST) 25. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" How about this? - This challenge is for reward - and the ghost tribe wins. Their reward is that they get to pick who they each individually challenge - So then whoever they pick has to beat them to keep them out of returning - some are successful and some aren't. Way out on a limb   Top

Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 04:08 PM (EST) 26. "Interesting" Fits with the spoiler that a booted contestant wins a challenge to get back into the game.   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-24-03, 04:16 PM (EST) 27. "RE: Interesting - Something I just notice" If you take the picture of Osten looking angry and blow it up - You can see the orange and purple portions of the cages and someone in the background with a tan shirt - The only one with that color of shirt is Shawn - but he isnt wearing it during the challenge -   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-24-03, 05:52 PM (EST) 36. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" How about this? - This challenge is for reward - and the ghost tribe wins. Their reward is that they get to pick who they each individually challenge - So then whoever they pick has to beat them to keep them out of returning - some are successful and some aren't. Wow, that makes perfect sense. Lill chooses to challenge Osten and kicks his ass. I would expand your theory a little bit so that in some way only a subset of the current Survivors could be challenged (maybe by being last to cross the finish line, random drawing, etc.) and only a subset of the ghosts can make challenges (crossing the line early, etc.). The preview certainly makes it look like there's a much greater sense of urgency/desperation in the cage challenge next week. All the other challenges have played like something at Lazy Camp. What does the clip of Michelle and What's-her-name (1st bootee) with arms around each other signify? Is this pre-challenge? Have they become buddies? I think they're both huge losers. And what's up with me having positive thoughts about Andrew? Is it only because we got to compare him to Jon up close and personal? He was still being an ass calling him "Big Jon", but otherwise he was looking downright heroic. He must be poised for a big fall. -P   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 06:01 PM (EST) 38. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" What does the clip of Michelle and What's-her-name (1st bootee) with arms around each other signify? Is this pre-challenge? Have they become buddies? At first I wondered if this might be a "victory" cap. But in the arrival cap you can Michelle is just walking onto the mat, so she probably crosses over and stands next to Nicole. Ryan S. is behind Nicole in both shots so I think this is before the challenge as well.   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-24-03, 06:21 PM (EST) 41. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" so I think this is before the challenge as well. That was my assumption as well since they're not looking sweaty/sandy like they would be after a competition. But why are they so buddy/buddy? They must have spent time together in LL (Michelle only there 3 nights?), which makes me think MB wasn't letting people wander off to do their own thing after being booted. If that's the case (and it's a guess), then maybe survivors who've talked about what they did after getting booted should now be considered 'real' boots for spoiler purposes. Which is to say, they either failed to get back in the game or get booted again. Also, the comment elsewhere in this thread about Survivors with incomplete story lines - I completely agree with the assessment. Lill's story could still be open. Trish's may be open based on the style of boot (surprise, non-unanimous). The rest are too boring to continue with. My guess is that the ghost tribe is only around for one episode (Part 1). One or two get back into the game and the fallout of the GT mostly wraps up in Part 2 (double bootees or something). -P   Top

anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 07:43 PM (EST) 56. "intimidation and solidarity" they're mugging it up to affect the others and get a response. You know they have to be enjoying every single minute of the big return.   Top

redbeard103152 466 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-26-03, 10:58 AM (EST) 83. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Really going out on a limb here.IMO there is a two stage reward challenge that will take place during this first part of the two part episode. In order for someone to return the ghost tribe must win the challange between it and the Morgans and the Drakes. No first place no return for any of the ghosties.The ghosties do finish first so for their reward they are allowed to have one member renter the game.This brings us to the second part of this reward challange.There is some kind of individual challange among the ghosties that one individual wins. That particular individual, Lil IMO will be able to renter the game and pick who she replaces.This being the monumental decision that a castaway makes during this episode. Next the big lie and big regret will be fullfilled as Lil boots Andrew for not telling her about being booted and Andrew feels the regret by feeling the big boot.This brings us to the end of part one. In the next episode the merge will occur.   Top

rose 313 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-24-03, 04:26 PM (EST) 28. "Ok, let's kick this around...." and not me around.. I've been shooting this around in my head for awhile now.. let's see what you think. The challenge shown is for initiation of GT members. Show their worth type thing. But, The core idea is that, whichever original tribe beats out the other, i.e. Drake beats Morgan- they get to choose a GT member to join their tribe. This could initiate ONE GT member in the game, and with the exclusion of the recap show, scheduling would be fairly normal.. So, if this would be the case, it would be hard for a tribe to choose a player they booted out... Lil could be voted in by Drake, or Trish by Morgan.. But the core idea is that the original tribe "wins" it's choice of member of the GT. I've got thick skin, as long as it's not Brownroach-he scares me.   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-24-03, 04:29 PM (EST) 29. "RE: Ok, let's kick this around...." The only problem with that is the "you may be going home" comment. I really dont think that was for the ghost tribe - they already have to know they could be going home.   Top

Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 04:30 PM (EST) 30. "RE: Ok, let's kick this around...." I'm beginning to like pms's theory about the GT winning the reward challenge and the reward is they can each pick someone to challenge for their spot on the alive tribes.....actually this would have to make the RC rigged then so that the GT won it. Never mind just talked myself right out of it.   Top

aethelstan 4435 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-24-03, 04:36 PM (EST) 31. "RE: Ok, let's kick this around...." I think that's good, rose. The winning tribe forces the losing tribe to oust two players and then chooses which ghost will join them. Of course, the problem with that is that we are so close to the merge. -aethelstan   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-24-03, 04:40 PM (EST) 32. "RE: Ok, let's kick this around...." I still just think this is a "reward" challenge - if the Ghost tribe were to lose - then the reward for the other two tribes would be - ghost tribe goes home - if the ghost tribe wins - they get to do something - So it wouldnt have to be "rigged" Just having them come back for one episode (or 2 due to the part 1, 2) Will be enough for ratings. I do think the GT wins though   Top

Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 04:45 PM (EST) 33. "RE: Ok, let's kick this around...." New thought.... What if the ghost tribe member doesn't actually come back in and compete? They stay a ghost, haunting whomever they choose? They float around and whisper in everyone's ear and just cause havoc? Nawwww!!!! Silly idea. *it's almost five on friday....my brain is fried.   Top

KeithFan 7422 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 11:40 PM (EST) 65. "RE: Ok, let's kick this around...." I actually like that idea... I'm P/O'd they're bringing them back in the first place.....once you torch is extinguished and all that jazz....doesn't mean squat anymore.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 05:06 PM (EST) 35. "RE: Ok, let's kick this around...." LAST EDITED ON 10-24-03 AT 05:11 PM (EST) I've got thick skin, as long as it's not Brownroach-he scares me. Whah???? I wouldn't flame you, Rose. The thing I get from these caps, though, is that this is strictly a contest between three tribes, and that there is an incentive for each of the tribes to finish first. Your idea implies that there would be no real difference for the Ghost Tribe whether they come in first or last. So why have them compete at all? MB could just trot them back in and have Morgan or Drake choose people. There has to be some greater significance for the Ghost Tribe if they win this challenge over Morgan and Drake, imo.   Top

rose 313 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-24-03, 05:58 PM (EST) 37. "RE: Ok, let's kick this around...." There has to be some greater significance for the Ghost Tribe if they win this challenge over Morgan and Drake, imo. Good point, BR. I just have a hard time believing that they are ALL back in the game at this challenge.. Trying to figure out how they whittle it down to one or two.. or three... knew BR was just chasing me around the spoiler playground, waiting for the right moment to profess his undying love...   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-24-03, 06:04 PM (EST) 39. "RE: Ok, let's kick this around...." LAST EDITED ON 10-24-03 AT 06:20 PM (EST) I just have a hard time believing that they are ALL back in the game at this challenge.. I agree -- I don't think they are. Something else is going to happen after the challenge is over to determine exactly who goes and who stays, I think. Edited because I missed your note -- my dear Rose, I'm already contractually bound to chase Mistofleas around the spoiler playground, but I'll chase you on the sly.   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-27-03, 10:55 AM (EST) 93. "RE: Ok, let's kick this around...." my dear Rose, I'm already contractually bound to chase Mistofleas around the spoiler playground, but I'll chase you on the sly. I heard that! --takes on a "the more the merrier" attitude vis a' vis spoiler chasing   Top

I_Got_Nutn 897 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-24-03, 07:05 PM (EST) 52. "RE: Ok, let's kick this around...." This is my theory now that we know: A. All 6 Losers come back and 2. The next episode is a two parter. I propose this. Episode 7A The Ghosts come back and we have the prison break challenge. One team wins, two team lose. The losing teams each vote off a member. Then we do the "run into the ocean and retrieve something off the bottom" challenge. One team wins, two team lose. The losing teams each vote off a member. End of 7A Episode 7B Then we do the "fill in the blank" challenge. One team wins, two team lose. The losing teams each vote off a member. Now we are down to 10 members so we merge. Next we have an indivdual immunity challenge, a tribal council, one person goes home. Now we are down to 9 players and right on track. This covers more than the first challenge, but it all kind of ran together.   Top

Nash 437 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-24-03, 08:05 PM (EST) 57. "RE: Ok, let's kick this around...." interesting concept but honestly, are they really going to give all 6 losers an opportunity to knock off the others... that's bad for viewing audience. I think that it will be challenge losing team must exchange one of their tribe for one of Loser Lodge team. Probably not more than that. The rumours are an older woman makes it -- strikes me as Lil - if Drake has to do this and Trish if Morgan has to do it. Neither of those two could make it unless they have front time to develop with new tribe before merge.   Top

I_Got_Nutn 897 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-24-03, 10:18 PM (EST) 63. "RE: Ok, let's kick this around...." Why even have the GT compete then? They could just sit on the sidelines and see who wins. There is no motivation for them to compete unless they have a good chance of staying. My theory has each team responsible for their own fate. It also will bring numbers from each tribe 6-2-2, 4-3-3, 5-3-2, etc (built in alliance). Anyway, it's just a swag.   Top

Kokoro 3899 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-25-03, 09:44 AM (EST) 69. "RE: Ok, let's kick this around...." This idea works out pretty well. How about we change the rules? * If the Ghost tribe comes in last, they have to vote out two members and Drake and Morgan aren't penalized. So as to make it more fair, I'd also slap down some kind of penalty on the Ghost tribe, making it slightly harder (but not impossible) for them to win. Based on what's out there, I'd say it goes: 7A * Ghost tribe loses once, votes out two. * Next order is D/G/M. M/G each lose a member. 7B * Once again it's D/G/M. M/G lose a member. * Two G members return. * One of them goes immediately. I know we're hearing that three people are returning, but that's a bit hard to swallow. Since the whole thing is just off the wall speculation, I'm going to be quirky and throw in this. My theory is that Andrew goes first, since Osten looks to be in danger this week. Osten goes in part two, and then Lil and someone else returns. Lil wins immunity and the other person who returned is once again booted from the game.   Top

pancho 82 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-24-03, 05:05 PM (EST) 34. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" If the GT's are really there to compete in the game for the money I think that Survivor has jumped the shark. "Your past has come back to haunt you" What could be more haunting than someone with nothing to lose and lots to talk about? If Drake or Morgan wins they get a visit from one of the ghost tribe members from the other team. An opportunity to learn about alliances on the other team. IMHO Lil would be the best choice for Drake as she was the last one voted off of Morgan. They are not in the game and either leave or the GT competes at the next RC and a looser gets to hang around again. If the GT wins it is a spoiler for the real tribes. The GT's reward is not letting their former tribe mates get anything. pancho -sig pic in the shop   Top

pdragonfly 318 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-24-03, 06:16 PM (EST) 40. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" In the above vidcap from snews with Sandra in it, there is a building? and something else in the upper right and lower right of the screen. Can anyone tell me what this is? I'm wondering if those people who are left still tied up at the end of the challenge have to leave with the ghost tribe, until the next challenge. Just as an aside, wouldn't it have been better if they had each been buried up to their necks and the tide was coming in? Much more exciting, and more like Pirates.   Top

Acawap 184 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-24-03, 06:27 PM (EST) 42. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" >Just as an aside, wouldn't it >have been better if they >had each been buried up >to their necks and the >tide was coming in? >Much more exciting, and more >like Pirates. That would be good, but there's one problem... Jon would drown, because nobody would've dug him out!!   Top

pdragonfly 318 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-24-03, 06:33 PM (EST) 45. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" LOL - yeah and Osten would have freaked out!! Not water!!   Top

pdragonfly 318 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-24-03, 06:32 PM (EST) 44. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" 1st pic "http://www.survivornews.net/~images/index.php?currDir=./Panama/E7/s7e7webprv&pageType=image&image=15.jpg"; 2nd pic "http://www.survivornews.net/~images/index.php?currDir=./Panama/E7/s7e7webprv&pageType=image&image=26.jpg";   Top

pdragonfly 318 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-24-03, 06:36 PM (EST) 46. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" If you want to see the pics you'll have to remove the quote marks. very frustrating. maybe I need a lesson in posting pics, cause it sure aint working for me.   Top

tribephyl 12393 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-25-03, 05:57 AM (EST) 67. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Here's your pic's kiddo. In the above vidcap from snews with Sandra in it, there is a building? and something else in the upper right and lower right of the screen. Can anyone tell me what this is? Sandra is sitting by tree/sea-mail. At treemail there is a half-buried boat with a chest in it, which holds the cute little messages pre-challenge. on a side note, I found it easiest to go to the site, right click on the pic. , copy the image address, than paste it into your message. Also, always preview your message first. That way you can avoid making too many bad posts. hope this helps, and by the way, welcome to SB. tribephyl   Top

pdragonfly 318 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-25-03, 12:30 PM (EST) 71. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Thanks for solving the mystery of the pics and also for the lesson. I'll definately preview my posts if they have a link of sorts in them.   Top

Loquatrix 640 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-24-03, 09:08 PM (EST) 59. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" >"Your past has come back to >haunt you" >What could be more haunting than >someone with nothing to lose >and lots to talk about? >If Drake or Morgan wins >they get a visit from >one of the ghost tribe >members from the other team. >An opportunity to learn about >alliances on the other team. Right on, Pancho. Maybe this is a reward challenge rather than an automatic booter, so nobody is definitely going home after it (Jeff said "may go home," didn't he?) Perhaps it's going to be similar to the chessmen challenge, and the prize for the winning tribe (if Morgan or Drake) is to choose one member from either of the other two tribes? It'd be a nice bit of theatrical symmetry with the earlier reward, and it fits with the theme of the past coming back -- we've done this before, and now we're doing it again. Now, how to fit in the possibility of Ghost winning the cage contest. Hmm. What is their motivation to win? They are not massively motivated to win if the motivation for Morgan and Drake is the chance to pick a person from either of the losing tribes -- Ghost is motivated to lose, on that basis, to get one person back into the game. However, this game isn't about helping your fellow man get back into the game -- all six of them want back into the game, so what's the motivation on them to win, that is more motivating than losing in order to get one person back in? (I also like the sly jab at the concept of throwing challenges, too, but I'm probably getting carried away with the theatrical stuff at that point.) Perhaps there's a competition within Ghost that runs simultaneously with the main contest. Let's say it's something as simple as "If Ghost wins, then the first two Ghost members out of the purple cage get to challenge the last people out of the blue and orange cages, respectively, for their spot on the main tribes." This would motivate all Ghost members to do what needs to be done as quickly as possible. But having said that, we know Burton isn't tied up in the first place, so he's not on the same playing field as everyone else... But there really has to be some kind of intra-Ghost competition in this way, in order to decide which of them gets a shot at challenging for a return to the game. I don't think the cage contest, per se, is a booter; I think losing the cage contest puts your weakest persons at risk of being individually challenged by Ghost individuals if Ghost wins, but does not automatically give Ghost any return-to-the-game privileges or cause an automatic ousting of a Drake or a Morgan. If a single contest could make that huge a difference to gameplay, there's just not enough distance between the concept of Ghost as Losers who have already been shown the door fair and square, and the concept of them still being "in the game". It starts to feel fixed, and someone who got the boot in this scenario would have a legitimate complaint about the unfairness of bringing back players who had previously been beaten in the game. Basically, there must be more to it than "win the cage contest and walk back in" because I don't feel that would be popular with viewers for a variety of reasons. Thus we have two potential outcomes, if my waiting-for-the-AC-man musings have any foundation in practical possibility, each of which would be relatively satisfying: Morgan or Drake wins, and gets to pick one new member from either of the other two teams, or Ghost wins and gets the right to challenge Morgan and Drake for as many as two Ghosts to return to the game, one to each tribe, with the decision as to which Ghosts get that privilege being decided by some other contest that is particular to Ghost. I think I've put all this together as a result of seeing Osten with his hands still trussed but sitting down looking miserable, which naturally leads me to hope this might be a good opportunity to see him go. In other words, all of this is wishful thinking aimed at getting rid of Osten, whom I am hoping is left by his teammates to rot in the orange cage and is therefore open to challenge by a Ghost individual. Hah, take that, princess.   Top

Goooey_Alley 425 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-24-03, 06:28 PM (EST) 43. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" According to CBS, the next episode will be a 2-part special. In the 1st part, I think that the Ghost Tribe will compete, like Drake and Morgan. The format will still be the same—the first tribe to escape from the jail. I think the impact of the game comes to who will be the 1st place. If it is the Drake or Morgan who will get out first, the Ghost tribe will have their chance for another 15 minutes of fame be nullified. If it is the Ghost who wins, then probably, the 2nd part of the next episode will show the individual competition. I don’t see the whole 6 contestants coming back for more episodes to come, ‘cause it will screw the un-booted contestants big time and the whole game mechanics. (I think there will be more audiences left confused or definitely pissed if this happens.) One contestant is enough for the comeback. The other Ghost tribe members will have to leave the game after the Comeback challenge, finally. In this scenario, one newly-booted contestant will be replaced by a previously-booted contestant. This newly-booted contestant will finally leave the game for good. The Immunity Idol will always be a fight between Drake and Morgan since the Ghost tribe had no use for it… They only need to win 1st place in IC, in order to have a chance to make a comeback. The question left in my mind is… will they extend another episode (other than the two-part special and redux)? As for the contestants, I think there is one of the four who will probably not make a comeback—Rupert, Jon, Andrew or Osten. They have their fare share of confessionals or face-times in the CBS preview (maybe a sign or not.) Assuming Yahoo Spoiler is true, we can say that either Andrew or Osten will be replaced by Lill. The jury will start after two of the original (Ruppie, Sandra, Christa, Shawn, Jon, Tij, Darrah, Andrew, Osten, and Ryan O) are booted. The mix will probably not happen. The merge will be delayed like what happened in Thailand. I hope what I think make sense…   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-24-03, 06:50 PM (EST) 47. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Where IS she and why is she so darn clean too   Top

pdragonfly 318 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-24-03, 06:51 PM (EST) 48. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Thanks, that's the pic I was trying to post.   Top

Goooey_Alley 425 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-24-03, 07:01 PM (EST) 51. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Like what happened in the RC (with shower and dryers as rewards) when the Morgan has its first RC win, almost all thought that Drake won because Sandra is clean. I think the lighting or video/pics quality caused this assumption.   Top

PokeyOkie 94 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-24-03, 10:17 PM (EST) 61. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" They all seem to be cleaned up, or at least those who choose to, to some degree. For example, Christa at the IC looked like an acne-laden teenager with those bites all over her face, etc. Yet, later at TC, she is overcome with "great healing" or in other words, make-up and lighting. Or maybe she used some of that steak seasoning... Pokey "You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose. But you can't wipe your friends on the couch."   Top

Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-25-03, 03:32 PM (EST) 75. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" I actually think Christa had a reaction to one of the spices, not bug bites. Mabye? That would clear up faster than bug bites.   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-24-03, 07:00 PM (EST) 49. "Another scenario" Okay, this would be simple enough. The three tribes compete head-to-head (since we see Andrew, Burton and Shawn all sprinting at the same time, this seems obvious). The terms of the race are along the lines of getting your tribe freed from the cage, whatever, who cares... Here's how the results could affect the game: For each of the other tribes that the ghost tribe beats, the other other tribe gets to pick a ghost to join them. The Ghosts are motivated to win to get two of their members back in the game. The Drakes and Morgans are motivated so that the other tribe doesn't outgrow them. Example, the tribes finish in this order: Morgan, Ghost, Drake. So Morgan gets to pick one ghost to join their tribe. The rest of the Ghosts go home for good. The Drake tribe stays the same size. This is tricky because if Morgan picks one of their own bootees, there might be residual resentment. If they pick a Drake bootee, there might be lingering loyalty to Drake. Tricky tricky. Another example, the tribes finish Ghost, Drake, Morgan. Now both Drake and Morgan need to pick a ghost. Tricky, tricky. The only thing that's messy is the need to cut enough players to stay on schedule. I see double bootees at TC post-merge for a couple of weeks. Or, whacky third option, we end up with a final three for the jury to vote on. Hoo-haa. -P   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-24-03, 07:06 PM (EST) 53. "RE: Another scenario" LAST EDITED ON 10-25-03 AT 07:31 AM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 10-24-03 AT 07:14 PM (EST) Pics I can tell you Shawn in the video appears to have a type of sledgehammer in his hand and note he is running towards us and Jeff is the other way so if they have to race; they may have to race SOMEWHERE FIRST, GRAB A TOOL OR SOMETHING AND RACE BACK. That is how it appears however it goes so fast hard to tell but both Rupert and Jon are shown (see below) looking over to their right presumably waiting for Shawn to come back perhaps. This pic in the video panned from Christa with her hands clearly tied to Jon in the cell and his hands are tied as well. He is looking over presumably at Shawn? coming down the path I assume. There in the video also is Osten leaning at the front of the cage and he has orange ropes around his wrists as well and in the video you do see Rupert and Shawn exit the cage at some point (although it could be last lol)   Top

pdragonfly 318 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-24-03, 07:11 PM (EST) 54. "RE: Another scenario" I'm thinking that those left tied and at risk to be booted.   Top

Loquatrix 640 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-24-03, 08:11 PM (EST) 58. "RE: Another scenario" That would be nice, dragonfly, because there's that shot of Osten with his hands tied, looking despondent and defeated, as if the contest is over and he has been left trussed up at the end of it!   Top

I_Got_Nutn 897 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-24-03, 10:34 PM (EST) 64. "RE: Another scenario" We discussed that at work as well. We could see it... Day 40 - The crew is breaking down sets, when they come across Jon, still tied up and locked in "jail". "I'm going to style and profile, aw come on guys, let me out, please! I promise, no more lame wrestling quotes, please."   Top

dendanash 47 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-24-03, 07:39 PM (EST) 55. "RE: Another scenario" LAST EDITED ON 10-24-03 AT 07:40 PM (EST) The pic of Rupert and Shawn exiting the cage looks to me like something is wrong. Shawn seems to be pointing out of the cage door and Rupert is looking down. Neither one of them seem to be in too much of a hurry to get out of that cage. Maybe they spung a trap or something. What do you think Veruca? Edited for spelling   Top

Loquatrix 640 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-24-03, 09:32 PM (EST) 60. "RE: Another scenario" I'm not Veruca, but I thought I'd pipe up anyway... Judging by the fact that there's motion blurring the shot you're referring to, I *do* think Rupert and Shawn are hurrying to get out of the cage. Is there any significance to the fact that these don't appear to be single large cages but are, apparently, smaller cells that are part of the larger whole cage? Rupert seems to be in one section of Drake's, while Christa (digging) appears to be in another. And when you look at the wide shots that show all three cages, they do all appear to be multiple individual cells. Is this partly an individual challenge -- in other words, is there some significance going to be given to which *individual* gets out of his own cell first or last? Perhaps that's what dictates which individual on Morgan and Drake is available for Ghost to challenge?   Top

Goooey_Alley 425 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-24-03, 10:18 PM (EST) 62. "RE: Another scenario" I had seen the sequence of the event and it had been rationalized in Survivorfever.net. I think it can be found in Spoiler section.   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-25-03, 07:34 AM (EST) 68. "RE: Another scenario" LAST EDITED ON 10-25-03 AT 08:06 AM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 10-25-03 AT 07:42 AM (EST) Think it is just a capture of them in a moment looking down. They do get out though. What I am intrigued by is Shawn and this object in his hand that appeared to look like some sort of hammer. If he needs the hammer but we see Andrew crawling under the cell, and since the greenery is on the other side, he'd be crawling into the cell so what the heck is the hammer for? It can't be to smash the lock because they are back inside with the lock on. I'm just not sure where Shawn and this hammer looking thing comes into play though. Oh also, just IMO, those little blurbs with Rupert, I was going to kill by Rupert and Andrew putting his head in his hands, both of those shots appear to be back at their own tribes, presumably Rupert may be talking about Jon and what occurred and Andrew may be making that gesture in connection with Osten's new (and getting old) quit mode. I did not see II ANYWHERE. I think I said this somewhere but I personally think this challenge is reward but the reward may encompass the GT allowing to be back in the game. Think of this, why SHOULD they be allowed? They need to EARN the right to get back in the game. This challenge may be for the right to get back in the game. Jeff said You MAY be going home. This could refer to The Ghost Tribe that if they don't win this, they may be going home. I know a lot of you believe it is pointless for this scenario if they could lose but in the concept of the game itself, bringing back booted players is inconceivable. Why SHOULD they get the luxury of just coming back. I think this challenge is to determine if they earned that right or not. If the GT's do win then perhaps the NEXT challenge is a makeshift merge (a la Thailand though) of all three tribes and either an IC occurs which then will result in one tribe booting someone and a Ghost returning. Supposedly we are supposed to look for a dark haired guy, young and older woman as the offical returnees? Or perhaps this got lost in the context of ALL of them returning but if there are three returning they may end up winning the following challenges that come along. But naturally this is all spec on my part   Top

pdragonfly 318 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-25-03, 12:32 PM (EST) 72. "RE: Another scenario" Perhaps the II takes place in part 2. So no one gets voted off on the next episode because 3 days hasn't fully passed yet in Survivor land.   Top

SurvivorJoel 73 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-25-03, 03:07 AM (EST) 66. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" I'm sooo disturbed by this whole ghost tribe and dead coming back to life thing! Just some thoughts: Considering that 1, MB himself said that they don't bring back a player into the game despite persistent rumors that 1 or 3 losers go back; and 2, the vidcaps show LL tribe has some role in the next episodes, I believe LL tribe won't have an effect in the general dynamics of the game. They will only play a role during reward challenges. If it were a tribe RC, they play as a tribe. Once the tribes merge, the Losers also partake in the Individual RC as individuals. The reason why they come back is either 1, to lessen the possibilities and benefits of winning reward challenges for the remaining ten (winning RC has other psychological advantage, too, you know, not just material), or 2, they become part of a 13 person jury, or 3, they are just there to make life a living hell for the ten remaining survivors who threw them to loser lodge. I personally believe that they do not compete for II because it's unfair. MB and J.Pro are not like that. In fact, they like it that the two tribes are now equal in number, i.e. strength as well. That's precisely why they didn't let Rupert stay permanently with Morgan. They do not want either tribe to have an edge over the other once fake merge/merge comes. This is also why, since Africa, the switcheroo came in and in Thailand, the fake merge came in. I think MB is already pleased with how things are turning out in the past 6 seasons, where a mix of strong OR highly favored individuals (ethan, rich, bryan) and weaker OR less favored individuals (Vecepia, Jenna, Tina) turn out to be winners. A P.S. to my speculation is that, judging from the vidcaps, the LL tribe seems at an advantage-- think smaller bodies (nicole, michelle, ryan S, trish and lill could easily fit into dug-out holes underneath the cage) and smaller arms (which are easier to set free when tied); and think a buffed, strong person, Burton, as the one racing to get tools or implements to dig up holes or cut rope or destroy cages. In the end, LL tribe wins the reward challenge and ransacks both tribes (ala maraaumu ransacking the other tribe), leaving nothing for the tribes, pre-merge! Ain't that an awesome possibility?! I further think that having LL tribe members join RCs post-merge removes the bias away from those who win more RC. Frequent RC winners are usually voted off just because they've won enough already or are seen as threats. With LL members around, even after the merge, it's possible that none of the ten win an RC. I have a rather poor record in spoiling, and if this has been posted already somewhere in this thread, my apologies. This is just some attempt at thrashing this whole coming back from the dead episode. I find it unfair for the ten real survivors who reach the merge, who have worked soooo hard to reach where they are, yet are given less chances at a million bucks by bringing in the LOSERS (who are , technically, real losers anyway)-- ooops. Something for Bashers, I think. . . so off I go...   Top

1unatic 47 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-25-03, 09:48 AM (EST) 70. "What if..." Say Drake won the challenge, than The ghost tribe would vote out someone from morgan, but if the ghosts won, than both tribes would have to vote on one of them to return to the game. I don't see the ghos tribe as an actual "tribe", or all of them returning to the game. The ghost tribe buffs are just purple cloths, and the idea of bringing everone back woiuld seriously mess up the season's timing.   Top

KingMob 6 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-25-03, 01:42 PM (EST) 73. "My two cents" What if the challenge is at the same time a team and an individual challenge?? -the three teams have to compete to escape the cage and race to a finish line. -but if the first contestant to finish the race is a ghost, then he/she can return into the game and send packing the last contestant to cross the line?   Top

ExInterper 3093 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-27-03, 11:11 AM (EST) 95. "A similar theory" Others have mentioned this as a possibility, I think, but it may deserve another look based upon the CBS misdirection. Each tribe is locked up together to try and get out as soon as possible. However, the goal of the challenge is, as individuals, to be one of the first ten people across the finish line. If any of the ghosts are not in that first 10, then they lose any chance to stay in the game. However, any of the 10 non-bootees to not make the first 10 become open to challenge by a ghost that did. (With the challenge taking place in Ep8.) There is still the incentive for tribes to work together to get everyone out so your tribal alliance remains strong going into the merge. However, what if one of the tribes is lagging (still has someone tied up when the other two are working on the door), and the person still tied up sacrifices their chance to be safe from challenge to get everyone else out? Wouldn't this decision to sacrifice yourself be the "monumental decision"? Just a possibility.   Top

mavsfan 693 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-25-03, 02:30 PM (EST) 74. "Compete as Pairs?" How about this. This could be a challenge designed to reveal AND break down alliances. Tribes start off in the cage. Drake frees Drake, Morgan frees Morgan, Ghosts frees Ghost. As each tribe is freed they sprint to an INDIVIDUAL challenge, maybe build a fire to snap a rope. This would allow for a shuffling of players regardless of what order they came out of the jail. After the individual challenge, maybe it's a 3 person challenge to dig a treasure chest out of the sand, but you can't start digging until you have 3 people FROM ANY TRIBE to help you. So, the first 3 people to this challenge could be Rupert, RyanO, Michelle. So these 3 would have a choice, Form a 3 person team and start digging, or wait for more Drake/Morgan/Ghosts join you. The 1st few people might wait for more Drake/Morgan/Ghosties, but tribal alliances would quickly break down as people get desperate to start digging and would form improve 3 person digging teams. After you dig up the "treasure chest" inside could be 3 coins, each person on the digging team takes a coin and sprints to the finish line. At the finish line could be 5 pieces of wood, each piece of wood could have 2 notches cut. Place your coin in a notch, when another player puts their coin in the ajoining notch you both make the merge. First 10 players with their coin in a notch make the merge, the last 6 players are out of the game. This would allow MB to make the comment that "we don't bring anyone back" (MB/JP didn't bring anyone back - The Players Brought them back By who they decided to pair up with). It would be random enough that atleast a couple Ghosties would get back into the game. It would throw into question alliances - Christa might question her alliance with Rupert if Rupert didn't wait for her and instead formed an alliance of convenience with RyanO and Michelle to start digging. It leaves us with 10 players - the right number for the Merge.   Top

anninvt2002 86 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-25-03, 03:46 PM (EST) 76. "WOW" Can I have some of the water you're drinking? What an interesting idea. You may need to stand in line with Brownroach to work for MB. Love the idea, would make for an intersting end to this S7.   Top

Loquatrix 640 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-25-03, 05:46 PM (EST) 77. "RE: Compete as Pairs?" Intriguing idea, mavsfan, yeah. I think you're right that there's a major element of alliance-busting to this challenge rather than it obviously being the point at which Ghost is competing to reinsert booted players. I think the cage challenge is the primer for a reinsertion challenge -- it's MB's opportunity to expose existing alliances *before* the addition of potentially disruptive returning players, meaning the choice of who comes back is more strategically significant. I was pondering yesterday that Jon is really in an untenable position on Drake now, and would need more brains and savvy to negotiate his way out of it than he actually has, and therefore he needs help to avoid being the obvious next bootee next time Drake votes. Since MB's primary goal in life is to avoid obviousness, the necessary help in situations like this is usually given in the form of an alliance-buster like chopping away other people's three ropes or blowgunning their clay mask, so that the clearly isolated people can have a chance to approach other "less preferred" tribe members to see if a new alliance can be formed against those who have just demonstrated that they consider themselves the front runners. It seems to work every time. One spoiler we've heard is that Ryan O. gets the boot as a direct result of one twist. Perhaps it is he who ends up -- using your example -- without his gold doubloon in a slot with someone else's, on account of waiting for a buddy to join him and then being beaten to the pairing at the last moment. Another thing that supports this being some kind of alliance-buster is the fact that people are tied up differently so they have individualized challenges within the larger team challenge. We see Christa heavily roped at the wrists, tied to a pole in the middle of the cell, here: But we see Rupert tied less heavily to a crossbar: And Osten apparently tied similarly to Rupert: Neither Osten nor Rupert appears to be struggling to free himself, so presumably they must wait to be freed by someone else. However, Christa appears likely to have freed herself, as she is seen helping to dig Shawn into the cell while Rupert, still tied up, looks on; if either of Jon or Sandra were free at this point, presumably they'd be helping her dig Shawn in. So there's additional support for your theory that there's a more complex series of events in this challenge than just a regular jailbreak -- there are clearly individual cells in the cages, and there must be some choosing as to who gets helped next, thereby exposing (or underlining, as the case may be) existing alliances for the purposes of letting underdogs have a chance to view that they are underdogs and therefore unite against the alliance at a later TC. In any event, your idea for a challenge when alliance-busting is needed is magnificent. I'm envisaging it playing out and it makes for a great contest -- so much so that I hope I'm not disappointed by the real thing when we see it. ;)   Top

silentJ 336 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-28-03, 07:09 PM (EST) 146. "RE: Compete as Pairs?" What if the Ghost Tribe is used as a timer? They have to free 6 in the same amount of time the other tribes have to free 5, but any current players still trapped when the GT gets out completely are elimintaed from the game and replaced by ghost members. I'm also tring to figure out how Lil is the one that returns. My guess is that the current players vote on which ghost to return. Lil would be seen as honest, nice, and not a threat to win immunity.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-27-03, 12:05 PM (EST) 98. "RE: Compete as Pairs?" Very intriguing idea, mavsfan. It seems like the people on this board come up with much more imaginative scenarios than MB! I don't think this challenge is designed to create a mix-up that determines who goes into the merge, though. I think the sole purpose is to have the three tribes competing against each other, even if there are other parts to the challenge after the escape. One tribe will win, one will come in second, and one will lose.   Top

pinay_racer 122 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-26-03, 00:56 AM (EST) 78. "where is skinny ryan?" LAST EDITED ON 10-26-03 AT 02:36 AM (EST) was skinny ryan also tied? does everyone get tied? with the number of axed members returning-in a sense they outnumber the remaining members of each tribe. morgan has 5 and so does drake. but the booted players are 6. hmmmm..... just wondering   Top

SurvivorJoel 73 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-26-03, 02:12 AM (EST) 79. "RE: where is skinny ryan?" Nothing wrong with your eyesight. Maybe he's just to skinny that you can't see him (oops! something for bashers, sorry!). Ryan S., I agree, could not be seen in the challenge footages, just in the 'pre(?)-challenge march.' I noticed that,too, pinay_racer. Only Trish, Burton, Michelle and Lill are often seen. Could this be a clue that there are only four contenders from GT to either go back or form part of the jury? (At last a pinay! I've been wondering if there were any pinoys/pinays in SBlows . . .)   Top

PhoenixMons 4696 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Stuff Magazine Centerfold" 10-26-03, 05:12 AM (EST) 81. "RE: where is skinny ryan?" Ryan S. is right there between Michelle and Trish in the cage, with purple buff on head...we dont' see Nicole in challenge pics though, but we see her standing next to Michelle. Boo!   Top

BeerNuts 37 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-26-03, 09:18 AM (EST) 82. "About this pic" I had this question as soon as I saw this picture: Who's that between Michelle and Lil? Looks like tan pants. Shawn? Is he in the cage with them?   Top

Solitaire 103 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-26-03, 11:06 AM (EST) 84. "RE: About this pic" I'm pretty sure that's Burton.   Top

BeerNuts 37 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-27-03, 03:03 PM (EST) 113. "RE: About this pic" Oh. I guess I had subconciously ruled him out because he starts off outside the cage.   Top

coolflowerpowerman 456 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-26-03, 06:59 PM (EST) 88. "RE: About this pic" That's Burton's leg, honey   Top

Goooey_Alley 425 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-26-03, 05:39 PM (EST) 86. "RE: where is skinny ryan?" I think all contestants are participating or maybe the ghost tribe will sit one of them. Musta? Good thing that Studio 23 had a live telecast and a replay at Sunday! Twice you can watch!   Top

pinay_racer 122 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-26-03, 02:53 AM (EST) 80. "what if..last place tribe goes home (as a whole)" what if the tribe that loses automatically gets voted off-as in all of them at the same time. in a sense, the ghost tribe, if they dont finish last, comes back as a whole. while either the drake or morgan tribe, goes home also as a tribe - if they finish last. that would be interesting.   Top

SmilinNSide 7 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-26-03, 04:41 PM (EST) 85. "Anyone else notice....." If you blow up the picture of Christa with her hands tied you will notice she is not just tied up, but tied to something. Another thing is that Rupert looks to be tied to a log in front of him in the pic of Christa digging in Shaun. The only discovery here is that they cannot help to start untieing each other until the starter (Shaun) unties the first person........I think. Another thing is I watched the web preview, and no-where not one time during the actual challenge did I see Darrah or Sandra. Where are they? I know that they are shown entering the mat for the challenge, but no where in the actual challenge footage. Are we missing something important here..   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-26-03, 06:36 PM (EST) 87. "RE: Anyone else notice....." I just saw the preview again, amazing when you watch it how much more you can see Each are tied to various sections which is a tweak on Thailand since they can't do anything until their fast man comes back. Positively speaking we know Rupert et al exit their cage, and you can see the GT's Burton using a stick to retrieve a key (in the shot posted here) but he drops it (naturally we don't see him get it ) The Morgans however, did not have one optimistic shot in this preview at all. The fast man probably have to race to assist them and then when all are free race to the finish point somehow.   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-27-03, 02:09 PM (EST) 102. "RE: Anyone else notice....." Also - with the clips of Trish yelling and of Osten just pissed - I'd say its close between the GT and Drake- and Morgan loses big time. The person in the background of Osten's shot is either Shawn or Lil - only one with tan shirts so I'm guessing Osten never even gets untied.   Top

coolflowerpowerman 456 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-26-03, 07:03 PM (EST) 89. "RE: what if..last place tribe goes home (as a whole)" That seems unlikely... but it would be great to get rid of Sandra, Christa, Shawn, Rupert, and Jon at the same time.   Top

coolflowerpowerman 456 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-26-03, 10:11 PM (EST) 90. "Nicole Comes Back" So... rumor has it that three come back: a young woman, an older woman, and a black haired man. Black Haired Man = most likely Burton Older Woman = no idea... the coin I flipped says Trish. Young Woman = It could be Nicole or Michelle. I'm going to go ahead with Nicole... and here is why. Michelle seemed really bitter in her post-show interviews, while Nicole seemed really mellow. Perhaps Michelle is mad because she didn't get back in the game... I hope Nicole comes back... that blue dress is hot!   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-27-03, 10:18 AM (EST) 91. "RE: Nicole Comes Back" cool, I think this was all in relation as to who was coming back at all, meaning they weren't sure if all of the bootess or some were coming back. Since we know all do come back, I think the most we have about anyone actually returning returning to the game is the "older woman" rumored in final two.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-27-03, 10:37 AM (EST) 92. "RE: Nicole Comes Back" Yes, VS, the "three people" eventually morphed into "all the bootees", so I think it was about who was returning to perform in this Twist challenge, not who (if anyone) continues in the game after that. I, for one, believe that only one person from the Ghost tribe is going to officially return to the competition. I also concur with your comments further up about the general absence of Morgan in the challenge previews. The caps that we have are making me think the Ghost Tribe wins and Morgan comes in last.   Top

rose 313 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-27-03, 11:11 AM (EST) 94. "One member returns" Concurring here with BR about 1 tribemember returning; most likely the "older woman". Lillian seems the obvious choice because of foreshadowing... On another note- jeez, the spoiling of this episode is undeniably difficult. Not only do we have to spoil the normal choices- RC, IC, Bootee (or do we), we must figure in where the GT fits into the mix. I for one, have no idea where to begin. I'm completely overwhelmed, but here is my best rundown of Thursday's events. Teams arrive for what they believe to be RC. Turns out *gasp* all the people we screwed are back for revenge... The most pissed off- Nicole (Made a HUGE mistake, didn't get a chance to prove herself) Michelle- (sounds angry/resentful towards Drake in interviews) Lillian- (booted although Wusskins Osten wanted to quit) Burton- (shocker boot- to him at least) Seemed okay with it- Trish- admitted to being outplayed Ryan S.- ready to leave.. didn't like his teammates... Jail break escape ends with Morgan in last place, penalty is replacing one player with a bootee. Either chosen by Drake- they might think Ryan S. could be threat after merge, or that Nicole is a possible physical threat; they choose Lil for Morgan because she's just a harmless "little old boy scout leader" Or chosen by Morgan- (the momentous decision) Andrew's comments about Osten checking out and previous comments that Lil had good work ethic leads me to believe he would see the errors of his ways and trade Osten for Lil. Or, everyone booted takes over for the last place tribe.. (WAY OUT THERE, I know, but the comment of You may be going home, could be Jiffy speaking to an entire tribe) The numbers are even, this could eliminate booting scheduling problems. - this could explain how so little of Drake is heard of in final four, how all spoilers point towards Morgan going far. etc. etc..The two part episode would be required to get to know the bootee tribe complete with new alliances, politic, etc. Blow me out of the water, but I just thought I'd throw these out there...   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-27-03, 11:23 AM (EST) 96. "RE: One member returns" Shawn has the flag here so perhaps they race to retrieve the flag, run it back and they help their jailmates.   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-27-03, 12:04 PM (EST) 97. "RE: One member returns" LAST EDITED ON 10-27-03 AT 12:05 PM (EST) Usually anything the the tribes have to retrieve is color coded with the tribe colors, so we could assume that whatever Shawn has retrieved (personally I think it would be a key to use once he's inside. He unties one or more tribemates and they use the key to unlock numerous locks to open the door) has a teal marker on it. Morgan would have an orange on and the GT, purple. I've been out of town all weekend so am going to spend my lunch hour catching on theories etc. and come back with much more inteligent and insightful reasoning and opinions. Until then, please forgive my meandering brain spewing...it was a long weekend. --needs more coffee, asprin, midol and a shot of tequila edited to fix poor though cohesiveness   Top

SmirnoffRabbit 5 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-27-03, 12:31 PM (EST) 99. "RE: Nicole Comes Back" I'm confused about this rumor... does it mean that these players get to come back into the game, or do they get to come back (perhaps after the merge) and participate in (haunt) future reward challenges? Resurrecting one player makes a neat twist... but three seems to be over the top. It'd be cool if several of the ghosties got to hang around after merge, when the reward challenges become more individual, and got to steal the players' "booty".   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-27-03, 12:32 PM (EST) 100. "RE: Nicole Comes Back" That's what we're trying to figure out Rabbit. Until we get a little more info, (or see the frikkin show) anything is possible. --happily stealing #100 in an OT kinda way   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-27-03, 01:50 PM (EST) 101. "RE: more ???" There are a few things i'm not getting and any help would be great. 1. - Nicole, Darrah, and Sandra must all have the same role in the challenge since they are all missing in the web shots. 2. - The GT is all in the cage at one point but at no time do we see M/D all in a cage together - what does that imply?? 3. - If they can not untie each other or themselves - how does Christa get untied to help Shawn get into cage??? This is so confusing and fun.   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-27-03, 02:15 PM (EST) 103. "RE: more ???" If mr411 is to be believed (he had reported earlier on Christa/Burton loved ones) Registered User Posts: 41 (10/27/03 12:58 pm) Reply Rupert Doesn't participate in the "Loved Ones RC'...... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have confirmed that Laura Boneham flew to Panama from LA on the early Saturday morning the 19th of July, arriving in Panama the same day. However, she flew out of Panama the next day at 19:15 to LA. I would imagine that CBS would send 8 loved ones to the RC because the TC the night before that RC someone would get booted but they wouldn't know who that person is. So my statement is this. They take 8 loved ones to the island. The night before the RC Rupert gets booted, and they fly Laura out of the island the next day because she wouldn't participate in the RC. I know this because a few confirmed loved ones, Peter Waydo(husband) and Deborah Roberts(mom), flew out of Panama on the afternoon of the 21st. So Rupert gets the boot in the TC before the loved ones RC... Meaning then, Burton IS still there? And Rupert goes in TC 9 I believe unless my math is wrong)   Top

Acawap 184 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-27-03, 02:25 PM (EST) 104. "RE: more ???" this is some great info, but couldn't it just mean that Ruperts wife competes in the challenge, then decides to head home right afterwards, while the others decided to take a little vacation and not fly 14 hours 2 days in a row??   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-27-03, 02:30 PM (EST) 105. "Read on..." LAST EDITED ON 10-27-03 AT 02:31 PM (EST) Mr411 Registered User Posts: 42 (10/27/03 1:18 pm) Reply reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The flight reservations for Roberts, Waydo, Boneham and Bradley Williams were all made for the same dates coming and going. The only person that had a flight change was Laura and that ticket was purchased that day, so I doubt that it was a previous engagement, otherwise they would have booked the flight originally for that day, instead of for the 21st of July.   Top

Acawap 184 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-27-03, 02:44 PM (EST) 109. "RE: Read on..." as usual, BR, you're my hero -- with the best insight in the business! watch for me on Survivor 9 --- I'll be the guy you hate!   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-27-03, 03:06 PM (EST) 114. "RE: Read on..." Whose - mother/husband are they???   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-27-03, 03:13 PM (EST) 115. "RE: Read on..." Stop, Acawap, I'm blushing. They're arguing on Sucks saying maybe Rupert's wife left early for an emergency or something. Realistically, since she was there already, I don't see why they'd have to rush her back if the others were coming back the very next day anyway. But... I wonder who Bradley Williams is. Relation of Tijuana? Darrah's boyfriend? Looking forward to hating Acawap on S9.   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-27-03, 03:43 PM (EST) 118. "RE: Read on..." I had thought it would be Darrah's boyfriend perhaps but since Tijuana and Darrah are not supposed to do badly, could be either I suppose although Tijuana credit's her mother as a single parent unless it is her brother.   Top

Acawap 184 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-27-03, 02:31 PM (EST) 106. "RE: more ???" here are my thoughts, 1) I think the role of these three is the same as it was all show: Be the chicks that get no air time because you have nothing of interest to say. (Sandra has interesting things to say, but only when she gets pi**ed... maybe she's in a good mood that day! ) 2) Maybe that is part of Ghost Tribes handicap. They have to free more members. Or maybe it just looks that way because of the timing of the photos -- for effect, they show all the ghost tribe together at the beginning of the event, the rest of the pics are during the event, after some players have been freed. 3) They have to untie each other. No way they untie themselves, or the pics of Osten and Rupert would show them trying. The have to perform some task, race back, untie one of their comrades, free them, perform some other task, etc.   Top

pdragonfly 318 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-27-03, 02:37 PM (EST) 107. "RE: more ???" LAST EDITED ON 10-27-03 AT 02:43 PM (EST) The pic of Sandra looks like its post challenge. If that's so then its something that had/has an affect on the tribe even after the challenge itself. Whatever it is, I hope Osten stays tied up.   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-27-03, 06:13 PM (EST) 132. "RE: Nicole Comes Back" I don't think Nicole is going to make it back into full competition because she already sold the blue dress. I think she would have been able to get more money for it if she had come back into the game and then sold it after the episode in which she's voted out for good. -P   Top

coolflowerpowerman 456 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-27-03, 06:39 PM (EST) 134. "RE: Nicole Comes Back" That's a good point.   Top

Acawap 184 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-27-03, 02:40 PM (EST) 108. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" this just occurred to me: Does anybody else think this challenge could be incredibly unfair?? If the challenge is to get people out of jail by crawling under the bars, Drake and Morgan would have a big disadvantage having Rupert/Shawn and Osten/Andrew/Ryan, while ghost tribe is full of tiny players Michelle, Ryan, Nicole, Lill, Trish, with one big guy (Burton) to run around outside. Drake and Morgan would have to dig twice as far to get their key players out, while GT would practically be able to squeeze their scrawny frames through the bars directly. Perhaps this was done on purpose (I know hard to believe MB would skew the odds in a challenge to make a disadvantaged team win), but definitely would explain how GT wins... watch for me on Survivor 9 --- I'll be the guy you hate!   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-27-03, 02:47 PM (EST) 110. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" They had a dig-your-way-out challenge in Thailand -- Chuay Gahn won, even though Ted was much bigger than anyone on Sook Jai. In any case, I think in this challenge one person digs a hole to get in, then unties everyone else, then they eventually get out by releasing the door.   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-27-03, 02:56 PM (EST) 111. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" I was just typing that same thing BR! I had to go look something up so saw that you posted the Thailand info first so was able to save myself the embarassemnt of repeating you. (kind of like seeing two women in the same dress at prom ) I agree regardless. I think that the only digging is to get in to the cage. Once all are untied they will exit through the door. --knew she and BR were sympatico   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-27-03, 03:02 PM (EST) 112. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Yes, which is why the shot of the GT's in their little cage is showing Burton attempting to get the keys to unlock the door; you can see them all trying to grab it by that pole and in the actual video, I am pretty sure I saw Burton maneuvering the stick. MB had to tweak this challenge a bit so make it harder by having to try and get IN first in order to untie everyone else and then try to get out. This: and this: look like Morgan is going to have some major problems   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-27-03, 03:14 PM (EST) 116. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" If you look at the confessional of Andrew it is after the challenge as he has the orange skull still on his wrist?   Top

aethelstan 4435 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-28-03, 03:55 PM (EST) 140. "Could someone clarify?" In the first of Veruca's three pics, the one with everyone in the cage, it's very hard to tell who is reaching in the middle of the picture. Sometimes it looks like it's Michelle's hand and yet in other pics of the same shot it looks like Michelle's left hand is holding someone else's arm. Still other times it looks like Burton has his leg right against Michelle's cheek. Can anyone see this better? I'm only wondering in case it's in fact Nicole's arm and we just don't see the rest of her. -aethelstan   Top

Loquatrix 640 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-27-03, 03:42 PM (EST) 117. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" >I agree regardless. I think >that the only digging is >to get in to the >cage. Once all are >untied they will exit through >the door. Mist, I humbly suggest that there's digging going on inside the cages, also. This shot of Ryan appears to show him inside a cage, digging to get into another cell of the same cage: while Andrew is separately digging himself in, at a different location: If the only digging to be done were to get Andrew into Morgan's cage, surely Ryan would be helping him in rather than digging somewhere else? It strikes me that the foot-runner (Andrew, Burton, Shawn) isn't the only person who has to get under a cage wall. I think there's foot running, foot runners digging to get into the cage, a person tied to vertical pole in the center of a cell who is allowed to struggle to free himself (we see Christa in this situation, and then we see her no longer tied but digging to help Shawn in), more digging to get from one cell to another inside the cage, and a bunch of people who are tied up to horizontal bars who must wait to be rescued (Rupert and Osten both seen waiting, and Jon probably too).   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-27-03, 03:48 PM (EST) 119. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" If you look close at the blown up pic of Shawn and Rupert leaving through the door - Jon and Christa are in the background leaning over - which means all 4 of them are in the same part of that cage - only one missing is Sandra   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-27-03, 03:57 PM (EST) 120. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Yes the way the cage appears, the Survivors, if in different sections of it need to all end up together in order to work at getting the keys which a nice close up shot was done here: The picture Loq posted of Ryan shows orange wood on the other side of him so the cage is probably sectioned somehow and if people like Rupert and Osten are not shown digging but just waiting, more than likely it would be determined by them it is pointless for them to try and squeeze under their part of the cage. Maybe they just all need to be in a certain section together but it doesn't have to be a particular section? and BR, I found the info Darrah's boyfriend http://www.mcherald.com/news/0310/02/aplan02.html 'Survivor' contestant returns home to Ridgeland Her boyfriend, Bradley Williams of Madison, also must remain tight-lipped about some aspects of the show. For all we know, Johnson may now be a millionaire, but Williams isn't talking. CBS says it all must remain a secret until the final show.   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-27-03, 04:01 PM (EST) 121. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Loqu, since you addressed me in your post I'll reply directly to you. I'm not sure if your quibbling my post, but I was answering dear Acawaps question/lament that the challenge would be unfair to some because of digging to get all of their people OUT of the cage. Size being the issue. I never said that Andrew, Shawn and Burton would be the only ones who were digging. Only that eventually the doors would be opened to let the remaining players out so Rupert or Ostens wide shoulders and size wouldn't come into play. I still say the only digging going on is to get to the cages. Even if Ryan O. is digging to get into another part of the cage (which I don't necessarily agree with, sorry) he's still digging to get in, not out. Nit picky? Sure, but what do you expect from a criminal defense brained Virgo? Ask Brownroach and Krautboy, they know I'm anal retentive! --is working on cutting her caffine intake form 5 to 2 cups a day   Top

Loquatrix 640 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-27-03, 04:17 PM (EST) 123. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" I wouldn't dream of quibbling so esteemed a spoiler as your good self, madam! Merely drawing too much significance from your emphasis on the word "in," it would appear. ;) I completely agree with you that Ryan is not digging to get himself out of the cage altogether -- I support the hyphothesis that all the competitors must walk out through the door together, once it has finally been unlocked with the key that must be fished in from some remote location. It is just a question of how they all get from their starting cells to the room that has the door in it, and that's where my "digging on the interior of the cage" comes into play.   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-27-03, 04:41 PM (EST) 125. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" I wouldn't dream of quibbling so esteemed a spoiler as your good self, madam! I have 2 responses to the above quote. 1) Pfft! Quibble away, that's what gets good discussions going! and B) Pfft! "..so esteemed a spoiler as your good self"...you're sweet, delusional, but sweet! --wonders if since Loqu called her a "madam", that means that she has to now start the "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" Part II   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-27-03, 04:03 PM (EST) 122. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" more digging to get from one cell to another inside the cage, That's possible too. I couldn't reconcile the Ryan O caps with anything else. I just don't think they all have to dig their way out at the end.   Top

Acawap 184 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-27-03, 04:28 PM (EST) 124. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Acawaps bold spoiler o' the week: Tying together all the spoilers: Morgan loses Reward Challenge because Osten refuses to dig himself out, worried that for the first time in his life he'd get dirt under his fingernails, complaining openly that sand lice would get under the nails and kill him. This noble act of courage wins Tijuana's heart, as she, too, has never had dirt under her fingernails. T&O take a stroll along the beach to discuss how much they have in common, and do the wild monkey dance on the beach (which, along with the ghost tribe, are the 2 notable events JP mentioned). Ryan O stumbles across the 2-backed beast and tells the others. Andrew, also not-so-secretly in love with Osten, sides with the pair to vote Ryan off, making him the 'victim of the twist'. Stay with me here... Jon hears about the whole thing at reward challenge or at the merge. He tells everyone that it was he, and not Osten, that had hooked up with Tijuana, and Ryan had mistaken him for Osten (as anybody easily could...), squelching rumors that he's gayer than Richard Hatch on Richard Simmons' birthday (the BIG LIE). Osten, meanwhile, whines about how Tijuana wasn't any good, and how he probably has crabs that'll kill him, and T overhears him. Now wanting to discount the rumors about the two of them, T takes Jon up on his offer and sleeps with him post-merge (the BIG BIG BIG REGRET). This grosses everybody out so much they all decide to quit (the monumental decision), leaving Jon and Tijuana to get married (the wedding). Tijuana kills Jon on their wedding night, meaning nobody is left to play the game... except the Ghost tribe!! The older woman and younger woman in the finals are actually Lillian and skinny Ryan, in a major surprise ending.   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-27-03, 04:49 PM (EST) 126. "More food for thought about Andrew" The picture of him with his head down - he has no shirt on - could this be an after the challenge shot? While he is on the matt he has his coat on? I'm thinking maybe this is after they loose (Or maybe I'm just wishfull thinking)   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-27-03, 04:50 PM (EST) 127. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/postnuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=827 TDT and Survivor Phoenix have learned that the Ghost Tribe will only get one chance to bring players back into the game. As we reported earlier (see All Booted Players on Ghost Tribe), all of the players previously voted out of Survivor Pearl Islands will return to compete against the Drake and Morgan tribes for a chance to get back in the hunt for the $1 million bounty. Read more... As initially reported (see Ghost Tribe Competes), should the Ghost Tribe win, Drake and Morgan will have to vote out a player each. Since we have various spoilers of returning players, it is most likely that we will indeed see a Ghost Tribe win on Thursday. We have also learned that if it wins the mega challenge, the Ghost Tribe will then vote 2 people back in to replace the newly booted players and that individual players cannot vote for themselves. With the Ghost Tribe comprised of an equal number of ex-Drakes and ex-Morgans, it is probable that the returning players will feature one from each tribe. Descriptions by various spoilers of returning players were said to fit best Lillian and Burton. Thursday's 3 tribe mega-challenge features an escape-type challenge, as initially reported by Griffe in a post at Sucks. The challenge involves a race to free tribe mates from a series of enclosures, in a challenge reminiscent both of Thailand and Amazon. Run, dig under, crawl, untie, pull, dig, reach for key, unchain, win. The previews for Episode 7 feature Jeff Probst calmly addressing Drake and Morgan players with a simple "Your past is come back to haunt you." Cue to the booted players emerging from the jungle under a purple tribal flag and sporting purple bandanas adorned with a skull & cross-bones logo. Clearly a jaw-dropping moment for the audience, not to mention for the players still in the game. For once, Mark Burnett's pre-season hyperbole does not disappoint. On another note, good news for Rupertmania. We have reason to believe that Rupert should be around a bit longer. Still developing...   Top

ExInterper 3093 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-27-03, 04:54 PM (EST) 128. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Interesting. Does this mean that it is an all or nothing event for the Ghost Tribe? For example, if they beat Morgan, but not Drake, are they still SOL, or do they get to replace someone on Morgan only? Of course, the language of the post seems to indicate that the Ghost tribe wins, so this is likely a moot point. ExI   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-27-03, 05:32 PM (EST) 129. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Michelle would vote for Burton. Trish would vote for Burton. Burton would vote for -- Michelle? Lillian would vote for Ryan S. Ryan S. would vote for Lillian Nicole would vote for Lillian?   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-27-03, 06:06 PM (EST) 131. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Michelle would vote for Burton. Trish would vote for Burton. Burton would vote for -- Michelle? Lillian would vote for Ryan S. Ryan S. would vote for Lillian Nicole would vote for Lillian? I think you're absolutely right about the Drake voting. The Morgan voting I'm not completely sure about, but if I had to guess (and I do) Nicole would indeed vote for Lillian to return. I just don't see Nicole being too impressed with Ryan. Plus, of course, this fits the spoiler info that Lillian returns. I think it would be more troubling for the Drakes if Trish returned. It's conceivable that Michelle and Burton would acknowledge that the game's a drake, vote Trish back in and then have a nice vacation together in LL. That would be fun. However, I think since we saw Shawn trashing Burton after the first TC, Burton's return is more likely. Of course, Jon will spill the beans to make sure Burton and Shawn don't team up again. I see the Drake tribe completely full of fractures and they won't make it very far post merge. The Morgans on the other hand can probably more easily absorb Lill back into the tribe. Andrew has a problem in that Lill might be holding a grudge against him. She's probably not holding a grudge against anyone else and can for a two-person alliance with someone to go far in the game. As always, I see RyanO on the outside at Morgan and the return of Lill may be the end for him. Should be fun episode. -P   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-03, 03:40 PM (EST) 139. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Nicole and Michelle have their arms around each other and look kinda chummy in the vid-cap we have of the ghosts coming to the challenge. It's possible because of how close their are in age that they would vote for each other as opposed to Nicole voting for Lillian and Michelle voting for Burton. I don't think that the Losers give a flying fig about the Drakes and Morgans since it was the existing tribes that voted them out. I see the voting as this: Burton: Michelle Michelle: Nicole Trish: Lillian Ryan S.: Lillian Lillian: Ryan S. Nicole: Michelle That puts Michelle and Lillian back in the game. I know everyone thinks that Burton is coming back but I'm going down the road less travelled. --wishes this road had some signage and a McDonalds   Top

Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-03, 04:46 PM (EST) 142. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Bebo's Wild Speculation #4,538. (for those of you keeping score at home) Trish: Burton She commented in interviews that Burton was the reason her team won challenges. If she can't go back in herself, she'll put someone in who actually has a chance of going somewhere in the game. Since she sees him as a major challenge threat, and would love to throw an anti-Rupert salvo from the grave, a vote for Burton would accomplish something. Michelle: Burton Yes, she's cozying up to Michelle and is close in age. But Burton was her alliance mate from the beginning, and it would be sweet revenge if he were able to get back in and make things happen. Burton: Michelle Stiking with his original alliance mate. But if he has any inkling that she might get a vote from someone else, he'll vote for Trish to give himself a better shot of coming back. I would not be surprised at all if he voted for Lillian, because she made a deal with him that she ends up breaking. Still thinking that Lillian might be the one to tell the big lie, which would make it shocking. Ryan: Lillian No need to explain. Lillian: Ryan Again, no explanation necessary. Nicole: Lillian If Nicole doesn't think she has a chance of getting back into the game, her best strategic move would be to keep folks around that she enjoys hanging out with at LL for the duration. We know that Ryan got a chance to mend fences with her, because he's said nice things about her in his interviews. Voting for Michelle would mean sending the woman closest to her own age back into the game and leaving her there with two older women, who would probably have more in common with each other and leave her out. That's 2 votes Burton, 2 votes Lillian, 1 for Ryan, and 1 for Michelle. Spoiler satisfied. We really do have guidelines here. Believe it or not, the Guidelines make things more fun. Really.   Top

forehead 932 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-27-03, 05:59 PM (EST) 130. "Deserves new thresd" VS: Great find! After a lot of specualtion in this thresd, I would encourage you to start a new one with this info. f   Top

jkokoj 4389 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-27-03, 06:17 PM (EST) 133. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" I will reserve judgment until Thursday, whether or not I like the concept at all. Good job VS, thanks for bringing this here. Brownroach, as always I agree with your speculation about how the voting will go. It is highly doubtful that Burton and Michelle would vote Trish back in. So it would appear that Lil will fit the spoiler regarding an older woman returning. I suspect that Ryan S. and Nicole have not special liking for eachother and will vote Lil back.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-03, 01:20 PM (EST) 137. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Thanks, jkokoj. I suspect that Ryan S. and Nicole have not special liking for eachother and will vote Lil back. Actually, Nicole said she had liked Ryan (and also Lillian) while in the game and wanted them to stick around. Ryan said in a chat that he thinks he has the most in common with Nicole and wished he could have gotten to know her better in the first three days of the game. So I think all three of them like each other. Will they have time to discuss the vote among themselves after the challenge, I wonder. If so, maybe Nicole and Ryan would decide they don't really want to go back and would prefer to have a Panama vacation, so they agree to vote for Lill.   Top

jkokoj 4389 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-28-03, 02:06 PM (EST) 138. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Thanks for the info BR. Time will tell why they voted for Lil. Assuming our spoiler is true about Lil being the older woman.   Top

KObrien_fan 8360 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-27-03, 10:37 PM (EST) 135. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" I totally thinks this fits everything we have seen for spoilers so far...The report that an older woman returns and makes a run late into the game (F2), the report that Burton is to be around at family visit time, the report that it is mostly Morgan in the F4, the report that Rhino is a victim of the twist...it all makes sense. Not to mention that it appears from the vidcaps that Morgan is struggling at this challenge, it looks like the GT may win and get Burton and Lil resurrected. As a side note Johnny Fairplay has got to be shaking in his sneakers after the last TC, lol!   Top

Spanky68 8092 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-03, 01:56 PM (EST) 149. "RE: The G/D/M Challenge" Thanks a bunch, Acawap. I am cleaning soda off my screen now. I laughed that hard. I don't care what anyone says. I'm having fun trying to spoil this.   Top

O2dawg 68 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-28-03, 00:11 AM (EST) 136. "The ghost tribe vote to return " Brownroach, that breakdown of possible voting strategy definitely sounds the most plausible. It fits with the post game chats, shown alliances, and with the spoiler which said that Burton and Lillian return to the game. But what if we didnt have the spoilers on Burton and Lil? I think it would be very interesting if one of the ghost tribe members were to think this vote through. If you really want to return to the game, would it not improve your chances of returning if you actually voted for someone you thought no one else would vote for? for example: Burton might vote for Nicole if he thinks no one else is voting for her. That would be instead of voting for say, Michelle who with his 1 vote may actually give her more votes than himself. I think the vote might also depend on the dynamics that may have occured at losers lodge. I have not read anywhere in my memory, that mentioned that the ghost tribe members were kept separately after there boot. 2 questions that might influence the vote: Did the returning group interact at losers lodge? If they did and we are not privy to their interactions we might not understand the way the vote plays out. So, I think I answered my own question.. They are most likely kept separately. Does the ghost tribe return with the Drake/Morgan tribe before the Tribal councils? As this would influence the vote as well, both for players being booted and for those being voted back in.   Top

jkokoj 4389 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-28-03, 04:41 PM (EST) 141. "Analyzing vidcaps from original 1st post in thread" We see Andrew digging his way into a cage. We see he has his buff tied on his right hand. Notice we cannot see any colors around him as to which cage he is digging into. We only see that Andrew is digging into the cage from outside. Now: We see someone going into a Drake cage, presumably Shawn, however Shawn is wearing his buff on his head in the other caps. The man in this cap does not have a buff on his head. Are we sure this is Shawn? Could Christa be helping this person get into their cage or trying to keep them out of her cage. Disclaimer: I could be way off base here but I think we should be looking closer at the vidcaps we have.   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-03, 04:54 PM (EST) 143. "RE: Analyzing vidcaps from original 1st post in thread" Are we sure this is Shawn? It's Shawn jkokoj honey. You can see his dark shorts through the bars (his right knee is up as through giving himself a push into the cage) and he's wearing his buff as a headband. While not clear, you can see it making an indent in his hair in the above "getting into the cage" vid-cap. I think if it were someone trying to get into the cage, Rupert would also be helping to "repel" the invader by using his feet to keep them out. --thinks those purple buffs look pretty spiffy   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-28-03, 04:56 PM (EST) 144. "RE: Analyzing vidcaps from original 1st post in thread" jk, here is a better shot showing Shawn   Top

jkokoj 4389 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-28-03, 05:08 PM (EST) 145. "RE: Analyzing vidcaps from original 1st post in thread" Ahhh much better shot. So how did Christa get untied?   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-28-03, 07:11 PM (EST) 147. "RE: Analyzing vidcaps from original 1st post in thread" Ah jk, the question for the ages. Good question and I don't know. In looking at her shot tied to the stake, perhaps she managed to undo the knots herself somehow or perhaps someone is situated in another part of the cage (where the heck is Sandra) that they are able to reach over somehow. What I find a bit perpelexing is the flag in the cage with her unless Shawn tossed it over to her and then tries to slide under cage since he is in the one running with the flag OR the flag is in there already and he is completing the last half of the challenge. Rhino is also untied and is digging leading me to assume that he is trying to get Andrew in. Maybe one person is tied in such a way from each tribe that the knot is able to be untied by that person provided they work at it. (?)   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-29-03, 01:20 PM (EST) 148. "RE: Analyzing vidcaps " Ok I was sitting here thinking that MB likes to put clips out of order to mess with the spoilers - so was trying to figure out what order things happen. I first looked at the 3 running and thought maybe this was the finish with Adrew diving to a win - however I think he falls and that puts Morgan way behind. If you look at Phoenix there are 3 shots of them running but Burton has his headband on. In the picture with the GT in the cage Burton has nothing on his head - no way he stops in the middle of the challenge and puts on a headband. And looking at Adrew I think he is ahead but then falls. Whatcha think?   Top

Loquatrix 640 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-29-03, 02:08 PM (EST) 150. "RE: Analyzing vidcaps from original 1st post in thread" >Rhino is also untied and is >digging leading me to assume >that he is trying to >get Andrew in. This is the "digging inside the cage to get from cell to cell" thing that I keep mumbling about. If you look at the bars where Andrew is squirming in, they're rounded poles and the crossbar at the bottom is quite a few inches off the ground. If you look where Rhino is digging, they are flat planks and the crossbar at the bottom is pretty much right on the ground. Rhino is digging in some location other than where Andrew comes in. Not that it tells us who's getting voted out, or anything interesting like that. It just points to the fact that there are a variety of tasks to be performed inside the cages, and the tribes may choose to do them in a different order from each other; Christa elects to help Shawn in, whereas Rhino elects to leave Andrew to get himself in and instead decides to make some progress with a different part of the challenge. I don't think any of this is incredibly important from a spoiling standpoint, because it doesn't advance the cause of unearthing who wins, but it does seem to indicate that there are choices to be made as to how to complete the challenge. The fact that there are choices to be made (now that I am untied, whom should I help?) suggests to me that this is as much about exposing alliances as anything else. Christa helping Shawn is what steered me away from voting for Shawn this week, and Rhino leaving Andrew to fend for himself is what led me to register an Andrew vote. Of course, these choices could have been an overall strategic decision by the Tribe concerned with the best interests of finishing the challenge fastest at the forefront of their minds, but I like my theory anyway. ;)   Top

Nash 437 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-29-03, 04:22 PM (EST) 151. "RE: Analyzing vidcaps from original 1st post in thread" LAST EDITED ON 10-29-03 AT 04:23 PM (EST) http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/graphics/gallery/S7E7promoA?page=1 http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/graphics/gallery/S7E7promoA?page=2 http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/graphics/gallery/S7E7promoA?page=3 There are a total of 57 pics from Survivor Phoenix. If any one enlightens me as to how to post them here because my web writing skills truly lack. I haven't seen all the pics up here and wonder if there's room more even more discussion.   Top

Loquatrix 640 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-29-03, 06:06 PM (EST) 152. "RE: Analyzing vidcaps from original 1st post in thread" Har! On the principle that it makes no logical sense whatsoever, but is lots of fun, to vote for my bootee and then work backwards from that conclusion to find evidence to support it... I now conjecture that Andrew gets stuck in the muck under the bars and thereby engineers Morgan's loss in this challenge. Ironic on multiple levels -- gotta love it.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-03, 06:16 PM (EST) 153. "RE: Analyzing vidcaps from original 1st post in thread" I think maybe I see what's going on. In the caps of Christa helping pull Shawn in, Shawn is not coming in from outside the whole structure, he is coming in from another "anteroom". It's possible Christa was able to free herself and start digging a hole to get Shawn from the anteroom into her cell. Note that Shawn is coming under a section that has a diagonal crossbar. Ryan O is digging in front of a similar section in Morgan's cell. Ryan may have gotten himself free like Christa, and is digging a second passage for Andrew to pass under, while Andrew is still trying to get into Morgan's "anteroom" area from outside. Maybe.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-03, 06:35 PM (EST) 154. "RE: The ghost tribe vote to return " Good points, 02Dawg. The players stayed in separate cabins on the LL island, but Michelle said Burton was glad to see her when she arrived, so there must have been some interaction, maybe not as much as usual. As for the rest, who knows how much information MB gave the Ghosties, and when? Did they know they would be in a challenge before they arrived? (I assume yes). Did they know that one of them at least would have a shot at returning to the game (I assume yes on that too). Did they know how it would all be decided? (Before the challenge, I doubt it.)   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-29-03, 07:27 PM (EST) 155. "RE: The ghost tribe vote to return " Notice the orange parts on Morgan's cage which is to right of Rhino digging and then to right of Rupert is the blue wall and again the cage w/ the blue sections showing. I think you all who stated they are attempting to get to different sections is correct because at some point they MUST all be together in ONE section. We KNOW there are sections, we KNOW strategy would be involved, as to whether they implement the correct strategy in order for all of them to arrive in the same area to get the key (either help yourself or help your tribemates) to unlock the door is what determines how quickly you will all manage   Top

big bobby clobber 13 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 10-30-03, 01:23 PM (EST) 156. "RE: The ghost tribe vote to return " What if instead of voting to see who returns, the Ghost Tribe must compete in some sort of cahllenge amongst themselves to see who gets to come back into the game. It would be a lot more interesting than watching the equivalent of 3 tribal councils, and would be one way for MB to string this twist out over two episodes. Episode 1: Three way challenge, which the Ghost tribe win. Their reward: 2 "ghosts" get to return to the game. The episode concludes with the inter-ghost challenge while the others look on with Burton and Lil emerging as triumphant. Burton wins with his strength, Lil with her desire to get back at Morgan for voting her off. Episode 2: Drake and Morgan go to seperate tribal councils, and each vote someone out. Then they all (Morgan/Drake/2 Ghosts) go to one location for a merge. Based on the above scenario, I would suggest Johnny Fairplay as the likeliest boot for Drake. He fell flat on his face last week, and might get some redemption before a boot. Morgan is another matter. Ryno may wish to get rid of Osten, because he's a lazy wuss, which causes divisions with Ryno eventually getting the boot. This is based on spoilers that say Ryno is a victim of the twist and that Osten loses a lot of weight, suggesting he sticks around longer. Also, the previews indicate Osten is vulnerable, so he probably is going to stay. Kind of late to throw in my 2 cents, but I have been in court all week.   Top

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