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"State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
Episode Five

And now, the State of the Spoiling! But first, a conversation that didn’t take place, but could have.

Misto:
What have you been posting?

Dweezil:
Well, there's pelican temptation island, pelican Amazing Race, pelican OT and, uh, Episode Five State of the Spoiling.

Misto:
Episode Five State of the Spoiling?

Dweezil:
Well, uh, it's got some pelican in it.

Misto:
How much?

Dweezil:
Four. Rather a lot really.

Misto:
I'll have a slice without so much pelican in it.

ONE SLICE OF EPISODE FIVE STATE OF THE SPOILING WITHOUT SO MUCH PELICAN IN IT LATER

Misto:
Apalling!

Last Week’s Twist

There was a great deal of discussion about how stealing a player from the other tribe would play out. (See here.) Some felt Rupert was permanently a Morgan, others thought he was a Drake competing on Morgan. The matter was seemingly settled when IC vidcaps showed Rupert leaving with Drake after RC and sitting with Drake at IC. (See links below in discussion of RC and IC.) One question still remaining is whether or not the option to take another player will stay in effect for the next IC and, if so, and if Morgan wins again, can they take Rupert again. (See discussion here, where Cowboyroo gives this twist the designation “Red Rover”. Thus it was, thus it shall be.) See bootee discussion for more on how the twist could affect the boots.

Episode Title

“Everybody’s Hero” seems to be a clear reference to Rupert. If Drake wins RC without Rupert, and Morgan wins IC without Rupert, it will be an ironic title. However, it is probably more likely to do with the things Rupert does around camp for Morgan than anything else.

Reward Challenge

First, CBS would like us to know that Tempers flare in one tribe when the men decide to build a shower that requires everyone to bathe out in the open.

So far, no posters have posited theories about how a dead pelican fits into this week’s RC. The RC itself appears to be YET another type of relay, where castaways have to run from the beach, do something in the water, do something on the beach, and then, in an unusual twist, run through the jungle. (See here.) Krautboy speculates that the reward is the shower or the materials to make a shower.

Many seem to think the episode title, “Everybody’s Hero”, is an indication that Rupert helps Morgan win the challenge. There are some vid caps of Rupert and Rhino hugging, although it is unclear if that is the end of the challenge, the end of the water leg of the challenge, or just two guys who are quite fond of each other.

However, another vid cap appears to show Rupert walking away after the RC with Sandra back to Drake. Later vidcaps from the IC seem to indicate that members of Drake have had the opportunity to clean up. (See IC vidcaps below; also see here – scroll to post 1 to see a very refreshed and clean looking Sandra.)

Immunity Challenge

First, CBS would like us to know that One castaway’s failure to follow through with the tribe’s Immunity Challenge strategy leads to a very close, tense, gut-wrenching finish.

So far, no posters have posited theories about how a dead pelican fits into this week’s IC. However, we do have an excellent discussion of the IC. (See here.) It’s the return of the gross food challenge, or as we called it back in my dorm days, Wednesday. Given the nature of the challenge, gut-wrenching probably equals vomit. Vidcaps show us Michelle confidently tossing back a salmon slushie and Darrah choking on whatever was offered to her. (See above and scroll down to Posts 1 and Posts 16.) Many think this is indicative of a Drake win. However, as Krautboy points out in Post 16, this may all be misdirection to divert us from a Morgan win. Further caps show a dejected Jon and Christa (although Jon could be dejected cause he didn’t get any off Christa and Christa could be dejected because she’s sitting next to Jon). This is also the interpretation of True Dork Times.

Bootee

CBS would like us to know that While looting the losing tribe’s camp after the Reward Challenge, one castaway bonds with the opposing tribe. This may be how Darrah or Michelle end up not being booted (by being taken by the opposing tribe after IC) or it may be just a little nothing to whet our appetites.

Finally, CBS is dying for us to know that - Though acting out of loyalty to the tribe, one Survivor fears being seen as disloyal. Uh, Rupert? CBS is giving us Rupert so heavily as the bootee (the opinion expressed is the opinion of Dweezil and is not reflective of the Blows opinion as a whole) that he can’t possibly be the boot. So watch him be the boot.

Seriously, we have two nice threads discussing bootees. (See OT for a discussion of booty.) There’s this one from Cowboyroo and this one from Krautboy.

Krautboy postulates that Snewser and TDT have already deduced the identity of the Episode Five boot and are simply waiting to post the name on Thursday. TDT lists Rupert, Christa, Jon, Michelle, and Ryan O. as being in trouble on their Survivometer. (See here.) TDT lists Shawn as Safe but with a question mark.

Snewser lists Christa as having potential suckitude. (See here.) As Krautboy points out, Snewser had previously listed Burton and Christa as safe but changed them at the same time he indicated that he knew who the bootee for Episodes Four and Five would be. Take it away, Krautboy

“SNN has had Jon and Rupert listed in the “Potential Suckitude” category of the “Scorecard” since before EP1. However, after EP3 SNN apparently received information resulting in the downgrade of both Burton and Christa. The Family Visit spoiler was questioned because it conflicted with, what must have been, a tip that Burton and Christa get booted pre-merge. Snewser “checked” his boot prediction table “correct” for both EP4 and EP5…Burton was predicted correctly.

Snewser has indirectly told us that he has reliable knowledge of the EP5 boot and is confident enough to pre-check his voting box. The curious thing was that two boxes were pre-checked at the same time, two players were downgraded at the same time and both players were downgraded for the same reason. I would conclude that the source of this information had knowledge about both players. The first was booted and correctly predicted…Burton. The second has yet to be booted, but appears to already be predicted (and pre-checked correct) as the EP5 boot…Christa.”

Cowboyroo lists the same six people as TDT. Cowboyroo concludes that Ryan O. and Christa are the most likely boots primarily because of their respective standings within their tribes, but also do to outside factors such as Snewser or Christa appearing in this week’s Star, with Rupert running third.

Alliances

Blow by Blow has a nice rundown of the likely alliances. (See here.) In short, they are:

Morgan:
Strong alliance: Osten - Tijuana - Andrew - Ryan O
Quasi-strong alliance: Osten - Andrew
Weak alliance: Osten - Tijuana
Terrible alliance: Ryan O - Darrah - others?
No Alliance: Dead Pelican

Drake:
Strong alliance: Jon - Shawn
Convenient alliance: Trish - Jon - Christa - Rupert - Sandra
UTR alliance: Trish - Christa - Rupert - Sandra
Weak/null alliance: Jon - Michelle - Shawn - Burton

Burton’s Chat

It should be noted that Burton said nothing about the Pelican. The silence is deafening. (See his comments from chat here, early show here, and TV Guide here.) There is some speculation that he and Rhino may have become friends, which could mean LL bonding. He also doesn’t have much favorable to say about Rupert or Christa, which could mean a lack of LL bonding with them. However, these are always tricky to interpret. For example, see Christy’s comments about Jenna and Heidi last season.

However, I think we know what CBS thinks of Burton, given that they allowed this question through: Q: I can't say I am sorry to see you go, you were rude and mean, you reminded me of a high school bully. Did you learn anything by seeing yourself on tv?

Omens, Auguries, and Portents

CBS would like us to know that A rising tide threatens to wash away one tribe’s shelter. I suppose washing away the tribe is out of the question.

Does a booted player return? That’s the big question of the season. (See here.) No conclusion yet, although various sources (Snewser primarily) seem to indicate that Lil, Burton, and Christa somehow make it back. Perhaps the competition to return is based on who can be the most annoying.

Don't forget Big Lie/Big Twist/Big Regret) by mistofleas. (See here.) Now in it's third big thread, Big Lie/Big Twist/Big Regret continues to amaze audiences. There is now some speculation that Shawn will lie about who he voted for and that this could be the big lie. Not much to go on here yet, though.

Due to some glitch, Rhino’s face showed up in Burton’s spot on the CBS Website. This was later corrected. (See here.) While some felt this was something significant, it probably means that CBS has hired the Dell interns to do Web work.

Episode Six Title: Me and My Snake. Really. I’m not kidding. Some speculation that Jon is the snake, and that Me is Shawn. (See here.) Or is that Me Am Shawn? I get confused about grammar sometimes.

Complaints? Updates?

Let me hear them, and I'll update as appropriate.

SOTS is provided by SurvivorBlows.com as a service to our readers. The purpose of this post is to consolidate the threads in the Spoiler Forum pertaining to this week's episode. Feel free to reply to this post if you feel that a theory you support was not adequately represented in this message... Please use this thread for unified discussion of all topics as we approach the next episode.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... VerucaSalt 10-14-03 1
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... Krautboy 10-14-03 2
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... anotherkim 10-14-03 3
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... Acawap 10-14-03 4
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... Brownroach 10-14-03 5
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... Corvis 10-14-03 6
   RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... buckeyegirl 10-14-03 7
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... FarmBoy 10-14-03 8
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... forehead 10-14-03 9
 Maybe... rose 10-14-03 10
   RE: Maybe... I_Got_Nutn 10-14-03 12
       RE: Maybe... rose 10-14-03 13
   Another Take on The Hug samboohoo 10-15-03 25
       RE: Another Take on The Hug Brownroach 10-15-03 30
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... LeftPinky 10-14-03 11
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... Bebo 10-14-03 14
   RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... Devious Weasel 10-14-03 15
       RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... VerucaSalt 10-14-03 16
           stinky hug rose 10-14-03 17
               RE: stinky hug VerucaSalt 10-14-03 18
                   RE: stinky hug rose 10-14-03 19
                   RE: stinky hug Krautboy 10-14-03 20
                       Another thought on the Hug hrc2u 10-15-03 26
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... FrogPrincess 10-14-03 21
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... strid333 10-14-03 22
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... cowboyroo 10-15-03 23
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... bebekid 10-15-03 24
 good job dweez cqvenus 10-15-03 27
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... mistofleas 10-15-03 28
   RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... ginger 10-15-03 29
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... DoodleBug 10-15-03 31
   RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... Devious Weasel 10-15-03 32
 RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... lroy 10-15-03 33
   RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode ... mistofleas 10-15-03 34

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1. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
Bravo my dear
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Outstanding Job!! In what is probably the most difficult week so far, you've sorted things about as well as one possibly could!

Thanks for your fine work!


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3. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
Nice work, DW!!!

Uh, so who do I vote for?


Miscellaneous Ramblings
--is the pelican an option?

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4. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
Great job!

I heard the dead pelican is actually going to return from the dead and appear on Survivor All-Star.

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5. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
Good job, Dweez! You made it very clear how unclear everything is this week.

Other than that the pelican is still dead.


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6. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
Weasel, you are my organizational spoiling hero.

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7. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
Brilliant Devious Weasel! Couldn't stop laughing. Great job on some difficult thresds to follow.
My favorite quote regarding the CBS wrong photo: While some felt this was something significant, it probably means that CBS has hired the Dell interns to do Web work.



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8. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
Wow DW!

Both concise and confusing. There is a lot of spoiling going on this time around. I am going to stick with my "way out in left field" picks. Hoping for that off chance I'll be right and I can do the "I told you so" dance. Just once. Just this one time, OK?



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9. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
Great SOTS!

This week is hard. The only thing I'm quite certain about is that ep5 will not feature any dead pelicans.

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10. "Maybe..."
First off, Great job deviousweasel..

Here I go, shoot me down if I cruise into left field...

1. I don't think this is a victory hug...


It's kind of hard to hug while your doing the challenge in a boat... Goodbye, thanks for teaching us how to catch fish with the spear we've had since we got here?

RC:

It's hard to tell, but I'm guessing a Drake win based on the fact that Rup is going to build a shower, with Sandra getting all cleaned up. Also, you can't really share a reward, if you're walking away right after the challenge.

Drake Win? Rup not giving his all to stay loyal to Drake?

"I wouldn't let my Drakes lose. Those Dum dums at Morgan thought I was trying? We would have won if I was trying, I think I've proven that. I'm a pirate, and I've stolen their trust like a true blackbeard."

IC:

I think the Darrah "gut wrench" is complete and utter misdirection.

As someone pointed out, Neleh was portrayed much this way, only to win the challenge.
As for "Everyone's Hero", Rup has proven to be Drake's hero in winning everything he competed in for them, so he is already their hero; more misdirection to fool us to think there is a win for Drake.
Trish is missing from the IC photos of the bleachers, and she is a self proclaimed "picky eater".

Most evidence points toward Big Bird joining Bert and Earnie (Ryan S.) at Sesame Street Loser lodge. Star magazine's wedding spread points toward interviews soon to talk about how amazing it was.. lol did she marry grover or elmo?

I'm seeing a Jon/Shawn/Michelle vs. Rupert/Sandra/Trish tie for Christa with her throwing a vote out for Jon. She's too idealistic for this game, and would vote just for Jon's "secret shawn" alliance.

Jon, consoling his puppet, telling her there is no way she'll leave today... (if she gives him some.)

So, Morgan wins based on pure misdirection evidence, and Christa gets to join the puppets...

Poke holes where you will


Thank you to TDT for their easily accesible vidcaps...

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So, you think this

is "So long and thanks for all the fish"?


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13. "RE: Maybe..."
Yup. It's too obvious for MB to give us a victory hug... We'll see, but I think Ryan O. and Rup bond alot... When Rup leaves, Ryan will want him to know how grateful he is.. or something along those lines..

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25. "Another Take on The Hug"
Although I'm of the opinion that Drake wins the reward, is it possible that Morgan wins, Ryan and Rupert hug to celebrate and, even though Rupert is allowed to share in the reward, he decides not to out of loyalty to Drake.

The picture of Rupert pumping his fist could be his way of saying to Morgan, "Enjoy your reward, but I'm going back with my original tribe."

Remember this is Rupert's (and Morgan's) first look at the new Drake without Burton. I'm sure he's curious about that boot. Plus by going back and taking part in Morgan's reward, Rupert could certainly be seen as being disloyal to his original tribe.

Just a thought.

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30. "RE: Another Take on The Hug"
The picture of Rupert pumping his fist could be his way of saying to Morgan, "Enjoy your reward, but I'm going back with my original tribe."

I like this a lot.

First of all, the title "Everybody's Hero" suggests that Rupert will work wonders around Morgan's camp, but the logical extension is that they go on to win the next challenge with Rupert's assistance. It would be kind of "anti-heroic" if they lost.

And it would be in keeping with Rupert's character. He didn't want to hurt Morgan in the first camp raid, and I think while he is there he would do his best to help them out. He is competing for Morgan in the RC so he'd help them win.

But -- he would not want to share in their reward because he is not TRULY a Morgan and always remained a Drake at heart. So he gives them the victory sign as he heads off with Drake.

It would also explain why Rupert might worry Drake that sees him as disloyal (if he is the one having these doubts).


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Perfectly clear version of the uncertain week...

Where, by the way, is Misto? Out with the dead P???

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14. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
Wow. Except for leaving the Spam Song in my head for the rest of the day, this was an absolutely terrific effort. Full of information with just the right touch of humor.

And if you hadn't nailed that pelican to the perch, he'd be pushing up the daisies.

We really do have guidelines here. Believe it or not, the Guidelines make things more fun. Really.

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15. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
We have our winner! First person to correctly ID the reference!

The prize? Strawberry Tart, of course...

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If I may be of assistance to a very astute rose . I had said somewhere the hug stunk

The "hug" has background shots of rocks and R/R both have their buffs on hugging

Rupert/Ryan are at Morgan and both wearing their buffs in the same spots on the body as the hug

I do not see those background rocks at the RC

In your face caps bother me as does the Darrah choking. I still don't believe there is a steal but Drake will go to TC. I think Jon could also be the one who is forced to square off in the IC also; that shot could be him not happy about it or after his first round. How fitting this swarmy little game player can't hold down his cocktail

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17. "stinky hug"
The only prob with that Veruca, is that JP is standing near when the hug occurs.. I'm pretty sure this hug takes place at the RC, not on Morgan's beach; but along with you, I think the hug is in no way a victory hug. Too easy. MB thinks we're daft...

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So why can't Jeff be coming to Morgan to take Rupert back? We have never seen this situation occur before so we can't presume to know if Jeff doesn't arrive to escort him back. But I already posted about this somewhere else anyway

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19. "RE: stinky hug"
I was thinking that too, Veruca. I'm just trying to figure out, if that is the case, how and why Rup would be back at Morgan if he is walking off with Drake after RC... If Jiffy was picking up Rup from Morgan, the RC would have been a victory; Rup sharing in the Reward is over, and that blows about ten holes in my theory.. (They're never that good anyhow...)

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20. "RE: stinky hug"

Andrew with JP in background, wearing dark shirt….

JP in backround wearing dark shirt.

Jp is in the background of both shots. Andrew would not be running if JP was coming to take Rupert back.


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26. "Another thought on the Hug"
First: DW Great S.O.T.S. really helped clear some things up. ]


Also wanted add:


perhaps Rhino is squeezing Rup so hard while he whispers in Rups ear that if Drake wins the IC this week he needs to steal Rhino because he will be the next to go on Morgan. So, the hug is more of "please don't leave me with these losers."

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Great SOTS! I love the comment about the Dell interns. I think people are reading too much into the mistake on the CBS website!

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Great job!


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23. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
Great Job Dweezil. Hey, I just saw that pelican fly by in South Texas. He must have been freaked by this cast or something.

Thanks for putting it all together for us. I'm starting to lean more toward Christa than Rhino, but the title is still bugging me.

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bebekid 1621 desperate attention whore postings
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10-15-03, 09:50 AM (EST)
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24. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
Great job, Dweezil!


I hear that our own li'l Bebekid is like the Spoiling Queen of the Universe now. How cool is that? ~ SherpaDave

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cqvenus 9765 desperate attention whore postings
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10-15-03, 10:34 AM (EST)
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27. "good job dweez"
you make me laugh.

i needed a sharkie wipe riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight here:

Perhaps the competition to return is based on who can be the most annoying.

thanks again!


- playing her anti-bootee picks ultra-conservative this week

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10-15-03, 12:41 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
My dear darling twin dweezel, I love you more that you love yourself. *smoooch*

You've got in me in stitches over here and that's not fair dammit because I was all ready to reprimand you for all the pelican stuff. *mumbles*damn pelican*mumbles*

Thank you very very much for putting this all together. I've been working my tail off with real and true (meaning I actually get paid for it) work AND then worked all weekend at the Texas Renaissance Festival hawking for a friends shop (she makes soap, incense, lotions etc.)

Anyhoo, it's wonderful to have everything laid out for me to catch up on all the wonderful speculation and spoiling ya'll have been doing.

*kisses*


--smells like chocolate from the wonderful lotion her soapmaking friend made for her

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10-15-03, 12:43 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
Brilliant, but not enough about dead pelicans.



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10-15-03, 03:03 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
Dwheeze, you never disappoint me.


double scritches for you, hon.

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10-15-03, 03:11 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
Ahhhhhhhh

No one scritches like Doodle scritches...

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10-15-03, 03:29 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"
This is great! But you realize that Rupert and Christie can't go until they kill the pelican, right?

~lroy

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10-15-03, 04:00 PM (EST)
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34. "RE: State of the Spoiling, Episode Five"


--huggles lroy

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