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SherpaDave 8326 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-07-03, 07:25 PM (EST) "SurvivorBlows Tribe, It's Time to Vote!" Look, Wheezy! I spelled it right! So... how much do I love you all? This much. I moved this weekend. We don't have cable installed yet, so I won't get to see this week's episode live. (Thanks, Nailbone, for mailing me the tape.) We don't have phone yet, so I can't get online from home. And yet, here I am at work, dutifully posting this vote thread for y'all... excuse me... all y'all... to vote. So follow the freaking rules. Or I keel you. The Rules 1. Please put the name of your choice for this week's bootee IN THE SUBJECT HEADING! This is really easy. Just erase the bit where it says "Re: SurvivorBlows Tribe, It's Time to Vote!" and replace with your vote, i.e., Rupert. This makes it easier to tally votes quickly and accurately. Oh, and btw... nicknames are tougher to tally unless they're REALLY obvious without actually reading your vote. 2. Reply ONLY to this post! Curves on women are good. Curves on vote threads are bad. The first part bears repeating: I like curves on women. EXCEPTION TO RULE 2! VOTE CHANGES! If it just so happens that you wanna change your vote for whatever reason, REPLY TO YOUR ORIGINAL POST! Your new post heading should read "VOTE CHANGE: Osten (or Whoever)". That said, there is not exception to the fact that curves on women are good. 3. THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION THREAD! DO NOT TREAT IT AS SUCH! There are plenty of places on the Spoilers Forum to debate the merits of people's arguments. Let's keep it out of here, please. 4. No sig pics! It was suggested that because this can be such a long thread, sig pics make it really hard to load for folks with dial-up connections. So show some respect to your slower brethren (and sistren). I see dead people. Criminals From the Neck Up | The Writers' Rendez-Vous | SmokeLong Quarterly   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    Jon ejm92 10-07-03 1  Christa forehead 10-07-03 2    Vote change: Burton forehead 10-09-03 100  Burton tommydgore 10-07-03 3  Jon strid333 10-07-03 4  Ryan O raven 10-07-03 5  Burton cqvenus 10-07-03 6  Christa, aka "Big Bird" frisky 10-07-03 7  Christa KeithFan 10-07-03 8  Jon drawde236 10-07-03 9  Jon I_AM_HE 10-07-03 10  Christa bobstew617 10-07-03 11  Jon Wheezy 10-07-03 12  Ryan O Yogi 10-08-03 13  Christa Krautboy 10-08-03 14    Vote Change: Burton Krautboy 10-09-03 89  Jon cowboyroo 10-08-03 15    Vote Change - Burton cowboyroo 10-09-03 109  Jon JazzyJax 10-08-03 16  CHRISTA cnsrol 10-08-03 17  Ryan O ShowMeTheWinner 10-08-03 18  Christa railfan 10-08-03 19  Christa VerucaSalt 10-08-03 20  Jon ITTechmom 10-08-03 21  Jon rnabring 10-08-03 22  Jon Breezy 10-08-03 23  Christa Bebo 10-08-03 24    Vote Change: Burton Bebo 10-09-03 90  Christa Jayzzzy 10-08-03 25  Christa NTK 10-08-03 26    Vote Change-Burton NTK 10-09-03 97  Vote Tally #1 GuessItRains 10-08-03 27  Jon scante60a 10-08-03 28  Rupert samboohoo 10-08-03 29  Christa bebekid 10-08-03 30  Christa LeftPinky 10-08-03 31    Vote Change: Burton LeftPinky 10-09-03 91  Christa wendyp 10-08-03 32  Christa Devious Weasel 10-08-03 33    Vote Change - Burton Devious Weasel 10-09-03 102  Rupert toddE 10-08-03 34  Christa blacknwhitedog 10-08-03 35  Christa lizzmac 10-08-03 36  Christa Jules72 10-08-03 37  Ryan O Sexishelly 10-08-03 38  Christa TeamJoisey 10-08-03 39  Jon smrtNsassybnkr 10-08-03 40  Jon tamarama 10-08-03 41  Jon Jims02 10-08-03 42  Ryan O (idiotic reasoning included) big idiot 10-08-03 43  Christa redbeard103152 10-08-03 44  Jon pancho 10-08-03 45  Jon Mistral 10-08-03 46  Christa janisella 10-08-03 47  Tijuana SherpaDave 10-08-03 48  Rupert djandy 10-08-03 49    Christa buckeyegirl 10-08-03 50  Okay, Christa, Maybe anninvt2002 10-08-03 51    Tijuana Acawap 10-08-03 52  Burton big bobby clobber 10-08-03 53  Jon joannie 10-08-03 54  Jon bmwpow 10-08-03 55  Christ it's Christa! Rain Crow 10-08-03 56  Vote Tally #2 Brownroach 10-08-03 57  Osten Joyful 10-08-03 58  Christa memacmur 10-08-03 59  Christa, because of Jon's Big Lie zorrosurvives 10-08-03 60  Christa Brownroach 10-08-03 61    Vote change: Burton Brownroach 10-09-03 93  Sandra Nash 10-08-03 62    I could be wrong but I'm sticking w... Nash 10-08-03 63  Ryan O. PhoenixMons 10-08-03 64  Christa Mon Cherie 10-08-03 65  Christa moonbaby 10-08-03 66  Jon whoami 10-08-03 67  Jon tribalwatcher 10-08-03 68  Bye Bye Burton IslandFever 10-08-03 69  HEY JON... Round Robin 10-09-03 70  Trish bergdogg 10-09-03 71  Jon SurvivorJoel 10-09-03 72  Rupert KDMaxx 10-09-03 73  Christa Hastie Goooey_Alley 10-09-03 74  Christa SteffiGurl 10-09-03 75  Ryan Oprey tribephyl 10-09-03 76  RE: SurvivorBlows Tribe, It's Time ... tribephyl 10-09-03 78  Jon... udg 10-09-03 79  Christa Thaibeach 10-09-03 80  Christa Draco Malfoy 10-09-03 81  Shawn echogirl 10-09-03 82  Jon queencityfan 10-09-03 83  Christa LilNik8 10-09-03 84  Darrah GuessItRains 10-09-03 85  christa smiles 10-09-03 86  Sandra 1derfool 10-09-03 87  Jon Booted 10-09-03 88  Burton AyaK 10-09-03 92  Christa DoodleBug 10-09-03 94  Burton mistofleas 10-09-03 95  Burton lroy 10-09-03 96  Jon SurvivaBear 10-09-03 98  Andrew Oscirus 10-09-03 99  Burton Blow by Blow 10-09-03 101  Jon Chez 10-09-03 103  Capm Burton dabo 10-09-03 104  Jon okaloosajohn 10-09-03 105  BURTON SurvivorBlows 10-09-03 106  Christa sleeeve 10-09-03 107  Burton mtopaz 10-09-03 108  Jon hrc2u 10-09-03 110  Burton MDSkinner 10-09-03 111  Burton royalswin 10-09-03 112  Vote Tally #4 GuessItRains 10-09-03 113  Jon sgoogs 10-09-03 114  Burton???? tig_ger 10-09-03 115  Burton zzz 10-09-03 116  Burton Loree 10-09-03 117  Jon BrykMantra 10-09-03 118  Jon BigGrrl 10-09-03 119  RE: Burton dendanash 10-09-03 120  Burton IceCat 10-09-03 121  Burton travelingbetty 10-09-03 122  christa wolfinthedark 10-09-03 123

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ejm92 2221 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 10-07-03, 07:34 PM (EST) 1. "Jon" I know he's going soon, why not this week.   Top

forehead 932 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-07-03, 07:39 PM (EST) 2. "Christa" LAST EDITED ON 10-07-03 AT 08:04 PM (EST) Edited to include logic: The MVP promo (coupled with an earlier Rupert only promo) seems to imply that Rupert is everyone’s hero (ep5 title). The IC in ep4 comes with a twist: if you win “pick a castaway, any castaway”. It also seems clear that Morgan will finally win an IC (because Drake is willing to sit Rupert out). Morgan obviously picks Rupert to join them. The remaining 7 Drakes face their first TC. Markopolo discusses Jon’s quote about Sandra not being F4, suggesting Jon has a F4 pact. To get to the 3 other F4 pact members, we have the tight Shawn-Burton-Michelle trio. (If Sandra is not in Jon’s F4, the other 3 cannot be Rupert-Sandra-Trish.) TDT has reason to believe that Jon will survive ep4 (I take that to be a solid spoiler). So, Jon is safe. I see no reason for Shawn-Burton-Michelle to fracture now, so the F4 pact of Shawn-Burton-Michelle-Jon will decide the vote. (While TDT is currently speculating that Burton might be a target because he asked Rupert to throw an IC so they could boot someone, I don’t think S/B/M/J would fracture because of a twist out of left field.) S/B/M/J have three targets: Christa, Sandra, Trish. Snewser has changed his scorecard somewhat: Trish and Sandra are the only Drakes to get thumbs up. If Trish and Sandra both get to the merge, and if they feel in the minority among the Drakes, they have a good incentive after the merge to join the Morgans in voting. That leaves Christa to be booted in ep4. In ep3, we already saw that Christa was eager to meet Morgan. She didn’t seem to fit that well with Drake, and she felt sorry for Morgan. That could be all the motivation S/B/M/J needs to vote her out. Note that Snewser has also downgraded Christa post ep3. Christa also seems to be most sad in black-and-white vidcaps with Rupert post IC loss. forehead   Top

forehead 932 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-09-03, 11:39 AM (EST) 100. "Vote change: Burton" Well, TDT, KB, Bebo, and BR convinced me. B/S/M/J should know that they can't approach Rupert to boot Christa? Trish? Sandra? Rupert will probably only buy into throwing the IC if than means booting Jon. Even if B/S/M/J get Rupert to go along, B/S/M/J could still risk a tie vote, regardless of their target. So, I guess it's just B/S (and maybe M) trying to boot Jon and gain more allies somehow. Of course, none of this works, which Jon (or Christa) -with some liqor- can point out at TC after Drake lost Rupert to Morgan. I argued simplicity last week with Lil, maybe this week it's as simple as Burton suggests to throw IC and b/c they lose Rupert, it blows up in Burton's face. Go ahead, point fingers at forehead...   Top

tommydgore 9 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-07-03, 07:48 PM (EST) 3. "Burton" I hardly ever see him on the show. So, I picked him.   Top

strid333 2928 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 10-07-03, 07:48 PM (EST) 4. "Jon" LAST EDITED ON 10-07-03 AT 08:36 PM (EST) He's too annoying for me. (Edit I'm an idiot and left my sig pic.)   Top

raven 22 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 10-07-03, 08:03 PM (EST) 5. "Ryan O" a victim of a twist.   Top

cqvenus 9765 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-07-03, 10:20 PM (EST) 6. "Burton" glad wheezy said something. I noticed it last week, too, but decided Dave is too busy to be picked on.   Top

frisky 11695 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-07-03, 10:31 PM (EST) 7. "Christa, aka "Big Bird"" ...because I like forehead's theory.   Top

KeithFan 7422 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-07-03, 11:05 PM (EST) 8. "Christa" Too early for Rupert, Jon hasn't po'd JP enough yet.   Top

drawde236 317 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-07-03, 11:14 PM (EST) 9. "Jon" Going with my gut instinct. Hopefully, this isn't gas.   Top

I_AM_HE 6123 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-07-03, 11:30 PM (EST) 10. "Jon" it's (past) time for you to go   Top

bobstew617 723 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-07-03, 11:47 PM (EST) 11. "Christa" I'm going to go along with the theory that Jon is safe..for now. Christa is one of the outsiders on Drake, she would be easy to pick off.   Top

Wheezy 9153 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-07-03, 11:53 PM (EST) 12. "Jon" >>Look, Wheezy! I spelled it right! Y'all shore 'nuff did thar, par'ner! >>So follow the freaking rules. Or I keel you. I would like the record to show that I_Am_He has already been keeled, and that Rhino dude too tho' he ain't known it, and we ain't gwanna keel no others les we hafta. %%%%%%%%% ********* ------------------->^^^^^^^^^^^^^ we has this much in the arsenal. Plus the stocks, but I ain't got any symbols fer that. (Ok, can I stop talking like this now? Fore ya know it I'll be pulling a dead mule behind me *wink*) And I? Pick Jon because I_Am_He did, and He deserves some shout outs for bein' keeled an' all.   Top

Yogi 1206 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 10-08-03, 01:21 AM (EST) 13. "Ryan O" Morgan finds Treasure chest (as per some spoilers) Morgan = Osten = Whiskey = Whiskey enduced TC spectacle Andrew + Osten + TJ boot out Ryan O   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 10-08-03, 01:26 AM (EST) 14. "Christa" LAST EDITED ON 10-08-03 AT 03:56 PM (EST) Episode 4 Episode 4 apparently starts out as all the previous episodes have, with another Morgan defeat. Lillian’s slip of the tongue about her tribe losing six staright challenges, Osten’s “near drowning”, and a tribe finding the treasure, all adds up to a Morgan defeat in the RC. Vidcap Analysis The post-challenge vidcaps from the IC show Ryan and Tijuana hugging, smilng and overjoyed, while Rupert and Christa console each other, looking sad and dejected...Drake loses the IC, perhaps intentionally, only to have their plan backfire on them... SNN’s Scorecard: Christa and Burton were downgraded to “Potential Suckitude” after EP3 and added to the list which includes Jon, Rupert and Ryan O. The reliability of the family visit spoilers has apparently come into question…are conflicting reports of pre-merge boots the reason? Snewser already has his vote box checked correct…Burton and Christa should be considered vulnerable in EP4. TDT Survivometer: Regarding Jon Dalton… “Time appears to be running out, although perhaps not quite yet. We have reason to believe he lasts at least another episode.” TDT has a good track record of spoiler reliability, and we have yet to see Jon earn JP’s “grudging respect”, so we will assume that Jon survives EP4. Regarding Rupert… “We were told (prior to Ep3) he lasts a little while longer. Probably still valid.” This tip, combined with the speculation that Rupert is taken by Morgan as the IC reward, puts Rupert on the Morgan Tribe and therefore safe in EP4.. Episode Titles: The EP4 title, "Pick a Castaway, Any Castaway", supports the speculation of Rupert being the “most valuable possession” picked as the unexpected reward at the IC. The EP5 title, “Everyone’s Hero”, further supports the idea of Rupert ending up on the Morgan tribe. Rupert has already been Drake’s hero and in EP5 may become Morgan’s hero as well… Vic Vega 00 Spoiler: Vic vega 00 at SurvivorSucks posted that Ryan O is voted in EP5/EP6 after falling victim to a swap, much like how Silas met his demise. This added to the vidcap evidence of a Morgan victory at the IC, leaves Ryan O safe in EP4. That leaves Burton and Christa as the primary EP4 targets… Confessional Analysis: The confessional analysis reinforces the conclusions we arrived at based on the spoilers. Michelle and Trish continue along well under the radar with just one confessional each and Jon describes Sandra as not being an immediate threat. Comparing the confessionals of Burton and Christa, we see a small spike in confessional count and face time for Christa, while Burton remained under the radar, as an undeveloped character, with only one confessional and limited face time. Confessional analysis favors Christa as the boot in EP4. “Strategies Revealed Do Not Succeed”: The promo for EP4 features what appears to be a strategy of throwing the IC in order to vote off a member of the Drake Tribe. The promo suggests that obnoxious Jon is the target, as we are shown Burton and Rupert discussing the strategy, as well as Christa commenting on the strategy in a confessional. As is often the case, strategies revealed do not succeed and Jon will survive EP4. The OFG Theory: This season the OFG Theory seems to be holding true through the first 3 episodes. Each episode's bootee has been featured in the first Promo for that episode....unfortunately both Burton and Christa are featured in the EP4 Promo #1. Markopolo’s Yahoo Insider Transcript: The “insider” gives us a look at how the Drake tribe views Christa and Jon. They are obviously perceived as lazy and were the focus of criticism when the tribe returned from the treasure hunt. Burton/Shawn and Michelle all voiced their disappointment with Jon and Christa. Burton appears to be taking on a leadership role and is part of an alliance with Shawn and Michelle. Christa appears to be a bit of an outsider, sometimes with Jon, sometimes with Rupert and Sandra. The insider transcript shows that Christa was eager to visit the Morgan tribe, apparently recognizing the need to begin building new relationships outside the Drake tribe. This seems to show Christa’s sense of her vulnerability within the Drake Tribe. Editing for Irony MB likes to edit for irony whenever he can. Christa’s remarks… ”Christa (confessional): It's starting to get annoying, because we really want somebody to leave.” …become ironic if Christa is actually the one voted. JP’s Comments Jeff has been talkative and has made several comments that may relate to this week. In addition to the remarks that suggest Jon stays around a little longer, Jeff also mentioned that in S7 the tribe’s recognized the importance of not voting out the strong players early. That has proven to be the case on the Morgan tribe and would also be the case if the Drake tribe votes out Christa rather than Burton at their first TC. Especially if they lose Rupert as speculated. Drake Alliances: The Drake tribe appears to consist of two main alliances. One, led by Burton/Shawn which includes Michelle. Jon thinks he is part of this alliance. The other consists of Rupert, Christa and Sandra. This alliance is the product of exclusion from the other alliance. The common bond is mutual dislike of Shawn/Jon as evidenced by conflicts they have had with members of the other alliance. Trish is a free agent floating in between and seems to get along with both sides, but leans toward the older group… Rupert+++Christa++Sandra +Trish+ Jon+Michelle++Burton++++Shawn Rupert has been the voice of reason and appears to have held the two alliances together as one Tribe. If Rupert is removed from the picture, Burton’s plan may have to change. At that point Christa, Sandra and Trish suddenly find themselves out numbered and at a disadvantage. Trish could easily switch to the Shawn/Burton Alliance and Sandra is the “deal maker” not seen as an immediate threat. That leaves Christa alone, without Rupert to protect her, at the mercy of the Burton/Shawn Alliance who see her as lazy and with whom they’ve had conflicts. Christa is next without Rupert to protect her. Krautboy   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 10-09-03, 10:30 AM (EST) 89. "Vote Change: Burton" The spoilers point to either Burton or Christa, so it all boils cown to what happens when Drake makes their first trip to TC... Rethinking the Drake Alliances, it is quite possible that Burton and Shawn are the real outsiders… Shawn and Burton have a strong alliance, but beyond that it’s questionable… Rupert is close with Christa and neither cares much for the “idiot jock boys”. Both have had conflicts with Shawn. Rupert doesn’t like their teasing and Christa probably thinks it’s annoying… In the promo she says “it’s annoying, we want to vote somebody off”…and may very likely be referring to her annoyance with Burton and Shawn’s teasing of Rupert. Rupert and Sandra are part of the early riser, hard worker alliance. Jon and Christa are part of the lazy kid, stay behind during the treasure hunt alliance. Rupert is not threatened by Jon and has mentioned that he reminds him of one of his kids. Sandra and Trish bonded early in the village. Sandra and Christa bonded untangling the fishing net. Christa and Michelle were described as having a rivalry with Shawn, by Jon in the “insider clips” While Jon and Sandra have had an argument, Jon has stated that Sandra is not an immediate threat (because they are allied?) and Sandra has said that while she doesn’t like Jon she will be his buddie if that is what it takes. Why does Burton approach Rupert about throwing the challenge and voting someone off? … Burton and Shawn’s alliance is not strong enough without Rupert and his allies. Burton may be trying to build an alliance with Rupert because he is starting to feel like the outsider… If Burton becomes the “traitor” and Jon feels betrayed at TC, he may rally Rupert’s alliance’s to unite and vote out the traitor that was responsible for Rupert leaving… As foolish as it may seem to vote off your strongest male, drunken emotion may trigger the mutiny. This would also explain how the Morgan tribe can come back to dominate in the end and how Sandra, Trish and Michelle outlast Burton and Shawn. With or without Rupert at TC, Christa appears to have more allies than Burton.   Top

cowboyroo 590 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-08-03, 01:55 AM (EST) 15. "Jon" Wow, this week is tough again. Congrats to all that picked Lillian last week. I'm going to go with Lillian having said more than once that Morgan lost SIX challenges in a row. Some say it was a slip thinking there were 2 per episode, but I think losing SIX in a row would have been talked about quite a bit, that she would forget she was only there for 5. Thus I think Drake wins the Reward Challenge, especially if Osten is "drowning" and finds the treasure (even though spoiler says Morgan does, I say that is a boo-boo in the writing). Therefore, Morgan must win the IC or it would be SEVEN losses in a row. It seems pretty clear that Rupert is going to go to Morgan as the reward of the IC. This could even be where the big lie comes in. Burton lies to Rupert about throwing IC in order to get rid of Jon, when in actuality it was Rupert who was going to get booted, but no one finds out about it because he gets switched to Morgan. So with Rupert gone, that leaves Jon, Burton, Shawn, Michelle, Trish, Sandra, and Christa. I think Jon is under the impression that he is in an alliance with Burton,Shawn, and Michelle, but he may not be.But Burton/Shawn/Michelle are probably going to be calling the shots. Trish is probably the other in this alliance. That leaves Sandra, Christa and Jon as the potential bootees. Christa and Jon are on Snewser's downlist, but Sandra was upgraded from early boot to late boot after Ep. 1. MB was quoted saying A player doesn't come back from the dead, leading to the possibility that more than one do. Could Jon or Sandra be one of those. Maybe we want to root for Jon because he gets booted after such a dramatic Tribal Council that we feel sorry for him and then we root for him after he comes back later? Or does Rupert being gone make Sandra the next target? Or does Christa take the chop for being lazy and odd man out? Snewser had his checkmark in Box 4 before he moved Christa and Burton to the Suckitude list, so I'm going to stick with a Jon boot, and a very brief return from the dead later.   Top

cowboyroo 590 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-09-03, 02:02 PM (EST) 109. "Vote Change - Burton" I was planning on changing my vote after thinking about it last night, and now that I've seen the rest of the people doing it, I feel more confident about it. In Episode 1, we were given the Burton/Shawn (kinda Michelle) outcast from the rest of the tribe by the sharing of the coconut milk. However, we were given Shawn as the bozo of the bunch, and I would have bet Shawn would go first over Burton when that time came. But, with the possibility of Rupert going to Morgan, Burton is the more likely choice because he has already sat out two challenges where Shawn has participated in every one. Seems like TDT thinks, however, that Burton will be coming back to the game. They have him as Toast and as "Jury", just like Lillian. This should be interesting to see how these players get to come back into the game.   Top

JazzyJax 531 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-08-03, 02:32 AM (EST) 16. "Jon" No matter if the IC reward involves some type of switching, I think Jon's history. JazzyJax   Top

cnsrol 8 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-08-03, 03:26 AM (EST) 17. "CHRISTA" SHE'S BACK AT THE HOTEL FOR COCKTAIL HOUR.   Top

ShowMeTheWinner 962 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-08-03, 03:44 AM (EST) 18. "Ryan O" I agree with most that Drake is likely to go to TC this episode. However, I think the twist this season will involve an option for tribes to trade players (a variation of Thailand's voluntary switch). MB must prepare for the event that Drake may win the IC and I don't foresee the tribes to be unbalanced to such a degree of 9 is to 3. I think the twist will be the "special reward" of the IC winner having the option to choose if they wanted to trade players. Morgan's straight loss of 6 challenges (which will probably include this episode's RC as well) makes them desperate to try anything and they take up the offer. Hence, "Pick A Castaway... Any Castaway" and they pick Rupert while Drake picks Morgan's strongest member, Ryan O, since Osten's so useless in the episode's water challenges (and many others like sinking his own boat). My main argument for a trading of players: If the traditional merge were to occur in episode 7, we will have 3 more boots to go including this episode. If Christa were to go this week, logic will tell us that the next two on the chopping block from Drake will be Sandra and Trish, yet these two are in Snewser's Most Likely To Starve category. Hence, we can therefore conclude that Drake would not go to TC at all or these two would be toast. If Drake does not go to TC at all, then Morgan would definitely have to go to TC in both episode 5 and 6. Logic tells us that the next two on Morgan's chopping blocks would be the switched Rupert and Darrah. However, Darrah is in Snewser's Most Likely to Starve category, hence this would not work either. I just don't see how Ryan O would go before Darrah since he has a solid alliance with Andrew, Osten, and Tijuana. Consider the alternative for a trading of players. Morgan gets Rupert and Drake gets Ryan O. Ryan O will be toast since he'd be the one voted off Drake this week. For the next two weeks, we can have the people not in the main alliance as the next two boots before the traditional merge: a Christa boot from Drake and a Rupert boot from Morgan. Other evidences for Ryan O: 1. Thumb down in Snewser's score card. 2. I believe the Vic vega 00's actual post in Survivor Sucks said Ryan O was the victim of the twist. He never really said if the twist was the usual swap and the episode 5-6 was only speculation on Vic's part. Since this is the twist episode, Ryan's boot could also happen this week. 3. A sudden spike in facetime. He was featured quite a lot in last week's episode. 4. OFG Theory: He was featured in the promos but the promo was not about him (eg. Sarah's promo in S4). 5. Tijuana hugging him in the previews seems to suggest Tijuana was bummed to see Ryan get switched to the other tribe. 6. Strategy revealed does not succeed: We were clearly shown Morgan's alliance of Andrew, Ryan O, Tijuana, and Osten. Hence these four will not stick as a unit, and one or at least a few of them have to go.   Top

railfan 450 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-08-03, 06:53 AM (EST) 19. "Christa" I'm not even sure which tribe wins IC, but will take this guess and see.   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-08-03, 07:38 AM (EST) 20. "Christa" LAST EDITED ON 10-08-03 AT 07:40 AM (EST) I didn't read any of your votes b/c I don't want to be swayed in one direction or another but she is who I think is going I don't like her visit at the Morgan Tribe along with the Insider comments. This girl is not as secure to me as it appears. She also has no dealing with Burton/Shawn who will IMO call the shots if Rupert goes. She may or not be the result of a lie about throwing the challenge. Sandra is used a lot for work and challenges and Trish is more easily ready for a vote with the guys than Christa who has already expressed her feelings about Shawn. She was already shown as lazy which was told to us by S/B/M and if B/S/J/M vote the same at least, that is the majority vote. Jon may not like Sandra the most but he wants to save his skin and will go where he needs. The only other potential victim is Jon and he hasn't done enough to make me think Jeff's comments were fulfilled. And those who feel Burton would go because of what was said, well we don't know how it was said and Rupert may be the only person who knows and he is GONE.   Top

ITTechmom 88 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-08-03, 07:54 AM (EST) 21. "Jon" Worthless, immature, desperately needs a haircut.   Top

rnabring 54 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-08-03, 08:24 AM (EST) 22. "Jon" cause...I have nothing else to go on of substantial merit.   Top

Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-08-03, 08:59 AM (EST) 23. "Jon" Please!!! I have Michelle next in my PTTE and then Jon, but I don't think Michelle is in trouble.   Top

Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-08-03, 09:01 AM (EST) 24. "Christa" RC Drake IC Morgan I believe that the comment about Morgan getting the treasure chest is a mistake, and that Drake will actually get theirs. I also believe that Morgan will be rewarded for winning the IC by getting Rupert on their tribe. We have Andrew's comment about how valuable Rupert is, which I believe to be foreshadowing. Jiffy's enjoyed talking about consequences in interviews. Since it's known that some tribes threw challenges in the past (ex. Sook Jai), I can see MB throwing in a rule that would allow for severe consequences for tribes that did that. At this point in the game challenge throwing would be a possibility, since there could be the chance that one tribe is dominating challenges and because the merge is not that far away. Why I ruled out: Jon - My most likely target, but I'll trust TDT that he survives E4. Ryan - Spoilers say he is a victim of the switch. I posted in another thread how I thought that Rupert joining Morgan could spell Ryan's demise. His strength is no longer as important, and Rupert could give Osten/Tijuana/Darrah the extra vote they need to control the next 2 TC votes. Ryan goes before Andrew because he is the bigger IC threat post-merge. Burton - If you believe that Rupert goes to Morgan (which I do), Drake is suddenly at a huge strength disadvantage. Punishing Burton for wanting to throw a challenge could weaken Drake further. As desirable a target as he may be, he's needed for a little while longer to try and maintain the tribe survival. Trish - Oldest Drake woman, true, but she seems more useful than Sandra and Christa in challenges. Michelle - The smallest member of Drake has already shown her worth in a challenge, and this week's IC shows that there's still a place for the small and agile. Sandra - Jon's adversary, weaker in challenges, but as Jon said in the last episode, there are bigger threats to eliminate first.   Top

Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-09-03, 10:38 AM (EST) 90. "Vote Change: Burton" Call me a Krautboy wanna be. Yes, keeping Burton over Christa would make sense from a strength standpoint. But as we've seen in this game, sense doesn't often dictate the boot. Alliances do. So in that vein, Drake becomes the next Sook Jai by letting a thrown challenge - or the suggestion that a challenge gets thrown - leading to the ultimate extinction of the tribe. This is step 1.   Top

Jayzzzy 88 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-08-03, 09:03 AM (EST) 25. "Christa" Well....nothing in your face this week...but reading thru others' picks the logic for Christa makes the most sense.   Top

NTK 109 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-08-03, 09:35 AM (EST) 26. "Christa" A lot of things don't add up this week. It doesn't seem fair for Drake to be punished twice for losing an IC, but probably in MB's mind if they were talking about throwing a challenge, it's their own fault. Morgan may find their treasure chest. That could even be what they were "fishing" for in the jungle. But maybe Drake gets their hands on it somehow. Somebody lubricated at TC just screams Jon. Even more so, if he discovers that he was one of the people slated for removal before Sandra. The irony is if they do lose Rupert, they will probably need him and Burton.   Top

NTK 109 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-09-03, 11:13 AM (EST) 97. "Vote Change-Burton" I've never changed a vote before. I thought the Drakes would be too scared to vote him out after losing their first IC. But, the bitterness and backlash must outweigh his strength.   Top

GuessItRains 700 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-08-03, 09:37 AM (EST) 27. "Vote Tally #1" Christa...........11 Jon................10 Ryan...............3 Burton.............2 All other castaways are UTR. Still early, but it's shaping up to be a two horse race.   Top

scante60a 76 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-08-03, 10:08 AM (EST) 28. "Jon" because I like to be wrong about these things...   Top

samboohoo 17173 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-08-03, 10:20 AM (EST) 29. "Rupert" Going out a limb here. If I'm wrong, oh well I've been there before. But hey if I'm right, I'll look like a genius. I'm not yet convinced of a swap. Jiffy and MB keep promising new stuff and although they are not always so good on their promises, I just think something unexpected will happen. Morgan will lose RC fulfilling Lil's comment about the 6 lost challenges in a row. I don't know what they could possible lose as a result of the pillage, but it's probably a light or something. IC is what brings about the "loss of the most prized possession." This might sound a little crazy, and it would have probably made more sense to start this at the beginning of the season, but what if Drake loses Immunity and loses their choice of voting out a player. Morgan and Drake both go to TC, Morgan gets to vote out a Drake player and they boot Rupert. I think Drake throws the IC and it comes back to haunt them. Andrew has made mention about Rupert being Grizly Adams, and how Morgan really has no chance against them with Rupert there. Snewser has Rupert on the "short" list. Jon hasn't been around long enough to give me a chance to root for him, Christa was downgraded after Ep. 3, and Snewser already had a check in the Ep. 4 box. Rupert has had lots of air time. We need something shocking, this could be it. Plus I picked Rupert to go fourth in my PTTE, and I could sure use the points.   Top

bebekid 1621 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-08-03, 10:25 AM (EST) 30. "Christa" LAST EDITED ON 10-09-03 AT 10:50 AM (EST) Superb reasoning by forehead convinced me. bebe Edited to include an alternate: Burton Just hedging my bets!   Top

LeftPinky 4150 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-08-03, 10:30 AM (EST) 31. "Christa" I really wanted to say Burton, but I can't believe that in the 7th season of the show a tribe could still be dumb enough to vote off their remaining strongest member (now that Rupert is a Moron). With that, I go with my second choice, Christa. See ya Big Bird!   Top

LeftPinky 4150 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-09-03, 10:44 AM (EST) 91. "Vote Change: Burton" Should have stuck with him!   Top

wendyp 2081 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 10-08-03, 10:30 AM (EST) 32. "Christa" Not sure this week, but I am going with the arguement that Drake goes to TC and they keep the men because Rupert is now at Morgan.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-08-03, 10:32 AM (EST) 33. "Christa" Sign me up for Krautboy's reasoning...   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-09-03, 12:02 PM (EST) 102. "Vote Change - Burton" And sign me up for KB, BR, and Bebo's vote change.   Top

toddE 1433 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 10-08-03, 11:06 AM (EST) 34. "Rupert" I feel confident that he goes in the next two weeks, so I am just going to guess him both times.   Top

blacknwhitedog 6532 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-08-03, 11:50 AM (EST) 35. "Christa" Oh I never vote on Wednesday- but why not! Lots of face time=lots of bye bye's. See ya Big Bird! (love ya too Dave )   Top

lizzmac 131 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-08-03, 11:57 AM (EST) 36. "Christa" Though I feel somewhat sheepish , here is my reasoning: 1) I do believe Morgan wins the IC 2) I do believe Morgan, as part of the win, gets to claim a member of Drake, and takes Rupert. 3) I do believe that Christa's statement about "We're ready to get rid of someone" (I'm paraphrasing) is foreshadowing her own boot. 4) I believe Shawn and Burton are close enough to Jon and Michelle to form a voting bloc of 4, enough to have the upper hand at TC. 5) Given their choices of Sandra, Trish, and Christa, I think has the highest irritant/least help in challenges combo necessary to make her the slight favorite over Sandra. Lizzmac   Top

Jules72 3 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-08-03, 12:05 PM (EST) 37. "Christa" My first instinct...   Top

Sexishelly 49 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-08-03, 12:40 PM (EST) 38. "Ryan O" This week is hard and I am feeling gun shy after blowing it last week. There are so many different theories abound regarding switches, returning bootees, lies, and regrets that my head is about to implode and leave my ears on the side of my neck. But with that being said, Drake wins reward and finds their treasure after getting the third piece of the map. The reference to Morgan finding the treasure was a mistake. This may explain Christa's new outfit, but why doesn't the rest of the tribe have new clothes on too? I have no idea, but it seems like either (1) the treasure did not include clothes and Christa made a dress from a blanket much to the chagrin of her tribemates or (2) it is in fact Morgan who finds their treasure and I am just wrong. But since no one on Morgan has new clothes number 2 is credibly ruled out. Jon becomes an irritant and several members of Drake conspire to throw the immunity challenge as evidenced in the previews. Drake throws the challenge despite Jiffy having told them of the special surprise awaiting the immunity winner though not disclosing what it is. Morgan, the immunity challenge winner, in a "twist" on the normal tribal switch is allowed to determine who from Morgan will be switched with someone from Drake. Morgan chooses Hagrid, as foreshadowed by Andrew's confessional singing the shaggy wanna be pirates praises and ships off Ryan O who removed himself from the alliance after Lil was booted. Here is where it gets tricky. Why wouldn't Drake still vote of Jon despite having a stowaway in their midst? Strong tribal loyalty perhaps. What would make them turn on Christa to vote her out despite their being an outsider among them and an irritant like Jon around? Switchees have never been granted immunity upon the switch in previous episodes and I have no reason to believe Ryan O would get such an special immunity. This vote may change 7 times before the thread is locked but at 12:49 EDT on 10/7/2003 Ryan O is my pick with Christa and Jon as alternates.   Top

TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-08-03, 12:46 PM (EST) 39. "Christa" LAST EDITED ON 10-08-03 AT 12:58 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 10-08-03 AT 12:56 PM (EST) I'll go against the grain here to reach the same conclusion. Christa suggests throwing the immunity challenge in order to remove one of her annoying tribemates. Maybe she's trying to evict Shawn or Rupert, despite the fact that all of America wants Jon dead. Anyway, she convinces most of the the others to go along. So they tank the challenge. Because the Drake tribe threw the immunity challenge, Evil Pecker Mark Burnett and Resident Evil Jeff Probst deliver the promised sledgehammer, and Drake is penalized in an outrageously unfair way. Morgan gets to take one of their players. Of course, they choose Rupert. The Drakes still go to TC, and have to evict someone. They take it out on Big Birdbrain, who suggested losing in the first place. Shawn/Burton/Michelle/Trish/Jon vote for Christa; Christa and Sandra vote for Jon. After finding booze in their treasure chest, they all had a few drinks before TC. Christa reacts badly to the backstabbing, and creates a whiskey-fueled scene when she exits. This twist evens the two tribes at six each. You can call it a "twist," or you can call it blatant on-the-fly manipulation such as we've come to expect from Burnett. Eventually, maybe even next week, Morgan loses an IC. Rupert has done so much work to improve things at Drake that he is deemed too valuable to lose. Ryan O, who thought he was in a solid alliance, is victimized by the "switch" of Rupert, and Rhino gets sent home. (Now, if I can just work Big Liar Lillian into this theory, I might have something.)   Top

smrtNsassybnkr 332 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-08-03, 12:54 PM (EST) 40. "Jon" I am so sick of this guy already, perhaps he will be the drunken fool at TC and his tribemates will take him out instead of the vulnerable Christa! (Please let it be so.....)   Top

tamarama 1785 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 10-08-03, 01:05 PM (EST) 41. "Jon" He had a classic "pride before fall" moment when he crowed about his F4 alliance. His tribe has yet to have a vote, and he thinks his F4 alliance is safe to the end? A wee bit early, hon. RC: Drake IC: Morgan As for the twist, I don't know. Maybe I'm in denial. I don't want Rupert to go over to Morgan. They're not nice people. I hope (though I doubt) that Drake doesn't deliberately throw the IC...if they do, and if they lose a tribemate to Morgan for it, this is probably the big regret.   Top

Jims02 7407 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-08-03, 01:37 PM (EST) 42. "Jon" Sorry, forehead, I just can't buy into the Christa theory. We really don't have that much insight to the Drake Tribe's dynamics to say that Christa is in the minority for sure. Jon says that he was a million dollars that Sandra won't win the game, or make it to the final 4. This, IMO, does not mean that he has a 4 person alliance! It just means that Jon doesn't think she'll go far. And with a person like Jon, it's not surprising if he was the next boot, and didn't even see it coming. We had foreshadowing of the "power struggle" between Sandra and Jon. I think that it may come into play this week too. Why would they want to throw a challenge? To get rid of a certain player. I really don't see why they'd want to get rid of Christa so quickly. No one's said anything negative about her yet. It doesn't make sense. Unless she is the "traitor" or gets tied up in the Big Lie, I don't see her as someone that Drake *has* to get rid of. RC: Drake (Morgan gets their treasure later, I'm guessing) IC: Morgan   Top

big idiot 193 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-08-03, 01:47 PM (EST) 43. "Ryan O (idiotic reasoning included)" Others have well-stated: 1) Title refers to some kind of swap 2) Morgan wins IC What is lacking is a good justification for the method and madness of the swap, so here goes: I think the IC winners will get a choice; they MAY take a player from the other tribe if they want, but knowingly must exchange one of their own. This is fair because think if Drake wins IC, would they do this? Nope, they are on a streak and would not want to jeopardize it with a volunteer swap, but say Morgan finally breaks their losing streak, this is more of a way to damage the other tribe than possibly benefiting themselves. I see it similar to the immunity necklace give-away option from prior seasons. So this season MB sets this up as optional to decrease predictability, add a new twist to this season, stick a pirate kidnap-themed aspect into this season, and decrease odds of tribes going on uncontested winning streaks. So Morgan wins IC, takes Rupert, offers up Ryan O. Ryan gets booted at TC. BI   Top

redbeard103152 466 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-08-03, 01:56 PM (EST) 44. "Christa" Sometimes when you hook your wagon to the plowhorse the horse leaves and lets you on your own. Sorry girl.   Top

pancho 82 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-08-03, 02:07 PM (EST) 45. "Jon" I hope   Top

Mistral 205 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 10-08-03, 03:13 PM (EST) 46. "Jon" 'cuz he bugs me   Top

janisella 698 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-08-03, 03:20 PM (EST) 47. "Christa" I'm going to agree with Krautboy.   Top

SherpaDave 8326 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-08-03, 03:22 PM (EST) 48. "Tijuana" yeah, that should do it   Top

djandy 1711 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-08-03, 03:36 PM (EST) 49. "Rupert" Since Jon's ouster was alluded to on the preview, I don't think he will go. I do believe that Morgan finally wins IC, so Rupert is the next logical choice. This assumes there is no swap of course. Alt: Jon   Top

buckeyegirl 5449 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-08-03, 03:46 PM (EST) 50. "Christa" Because Krautboy and Forehead convinced me. (But I really want Jon to go.)   Top

anninvt2002 86 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-08-03, 04:03 PM (EST) 51. "Okay, Christa, Maybe" Ditto what Verucasalt, and Krautboy said. I don't believe it is Rupert or a strong player. This quote from before the season haunts me. Found this from a few pages back. Jeff Probst on the Early Show" Jeff was just on and said a few nice tidbits. ........He also said that this time they realised that you better not vote off the strong ones early because they will be needed. I went with my gut last wed and voted for lil. I have no gut feeling this week. Burton is my back up.   Top

Acawap 184 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-08-03, 04:24 PM (EST) 52. "Tijuana" LAST EDITED ON 10-08-03 AT 05:16 PM (EST) just because I like to be wrong. added: My more realistic prediction is Ryan O. think it's a twist and he gets booted. Those of you that think Jon is going this week are just going with who YOU would vote off. History shows the annoying a-hole/b*tch ALWAYS makes it through the first few votes.   Top

big bobby clobber 13 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 10-08-03, 04:29 PM (EST) 53. "Burton" I'm probably wrong, but it has never stopped me before!   Top

joannie 380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-08-03, 04:49 PM (EST) 54. "Jon" We saw how many people he ticked off the last time he got loaded!   Top

bmwpow 25 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-08-03, 05:17 PM (EST) 55. "Jon" Because he annoys grown-ups.   Top

Rain Crow 374 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-08-03, 05:30 PM (EST) 56. "Christ it's Christa!" At least I think so... Rain Crow   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-08-03, 05:31 PM (EST) 57. "Vote Tally #2" LAST EDITED ON 10-08-03 AT 05:32 PM (EST) Edited to add Rain Crow's vote. This is post 57, comprising 55 votes and 1 previous tally. Still close, but Christa gaining over Jon. Christa -- 24 Jon ----- 18 Ryan O --- 5 Burton --- 3 Rupert --- 3 Tijuana -- 2 All other contestants, and the pelican, are UTR.   Top

Joyful 232 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 10-08-03, 05:49 PM (EST) 58. "Osten" Because I like to be different, and I think he's a weenie and I think he's the one to make a spectacle at TC. Maybe because Rupert was "won" in the reward challenge and he feels his position in the tribe (as the "muscle") is in jeopardy. *Joyful has a delusional smile on her face thinking that Osten will be the next to go*   Top

memacmur 359 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-08-03, 06:13 PM (EST) 59. "Christa" Until last weeks episode, I had Shawn pegged as the first to go from the Drake tribe. However, after watching what little they showed of the Drake's tribal dynamics, I don't actually see a true Alpha-male dissection happening. Instead, I think they will get rid of the most useless player - Christa. I'm putting off Jon's boot because I really do beleive that there is a BIG LIE as per Jiffy's spoiler, and retraction or no, I don't see anyone else telling it except Jon. Surely, if it was such a great "m-----f----r" inducing lie he can't be voted off the episode it takes place. Then again, how many "photo-finishes you can't miss" have their been??? Obviously, I have faith in the Morgan tribe finally winning the IC - mostly thanks to the lovely vidcaps that make it look like little aw-shucks-I-embalm-people-while-batting-my-eyelashes Darrah as the last woman standing... MEmacmur This season's spoiling record 2-1 Still almost good...   Top

zorrosurvives 30 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-08-03, 06:44 PM (EST) 60. "Christa, because of Jon's Big Lie" Christa is booted because of Jon's Big Lie. Here is why. As Drake sees they have to vote someone off, Jon comes up with the "big lie" about how his wife or child or mother or twin is dying from cancer and he needs the $1,000,000 for treatment. The others on Drake don't vote him off that week. This would explain why it will unfold when people see the episodes, the others never did find out he lied. Big regret is that they don't vote him off now. Next week, they vote off Rupert (everyone's hero). Later, when people count on Jon for an Alliance vote, he shafts them. Someone previously posted: "I've known this guy (referring to Jon) for many years. I used to party with him here in Danville, and at his school Va Tech. He used to do this thing called Jon's Fables, where he would make up the stupidest stories and actually have people believe him"   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-08-03, 06:55 PM (EST) 61. "Christa" LAST EDITED ON 10-09-03 AT 10:51 AM (EST) n/m -- changed to Burton; see below.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-09-03, 10:50 AM (EST) 93. "Vote change: Burton" LAST EDITED ON 10-09-03 AT 11:50 AM (EST) I figure I can't go wrong following the lead of Krautboy and Bebo. Here's my .02 about how I think it will go down: First Christa and Burton talk about possibly throwing the IC, with annoying Jon as their target. Burton takes the idea to Rupert -- as their virtual one-man challenge winner they would need his complicity. Jon has been annoying Rupert too, but he hems and haws. So the plan becomes that the three of them will "passively" help Drake do poorly; if they still win IC, fine. Rupert and Burton will sit out, depriving the tribe of strength. Christa will participate, and if there's a situation where she can maneuver Drake's loss, she'll act on it. So only Christa, Burton and Rupert are in on the challenge-throw plot. As for booting Jon, besides the three of them, they know Sandra will vote for Jon in a heartbeat. Burton says he can convince Shawn after the fact that Jon is useless and needs to go. That gives them the minimum five votes to oust Jon. So the IC goes as planned, with Christa going last in competition and taking a dive at the end. Then the shock -- Rupert is going over to Morgan. They would still have enough votes to get Jon out, but Christa and Burton quarrel -- this isn't the outcome Christa wanted. Now all bets are off. Burton doesn't know what Christa plans to do, but he approaches Shawn and Sandra, and Trish and/or Michelle for good measure, about booting Jon. Christa gets drunk and spills the beans at TC that it was Burton's idea to throw the IC but they never intended for things to work out this way, blah-blah-blah. Burton tries feebly to deny it. That the challenge was thrown is shocking news to Shawn, Michelle, Trish, Sandra, and Jon (obviously), and that Burton was in on it is unconscionable. Strength be damned, they don't trust him anymore and want him out. So, Burton gets the boot.   Top

Nash 437 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-08-03, 06:58 PM (EST) 62. "Sandra" OK here's how I see it....there's a men's alliance...they want to systematically vote off the women....even if the big twist occurs, inevitably, Ryan O. will allign with the men... it won't be Christa because she's the one who gets along with Jon. It won't be Michelle and I think that Sandra IS the most vunerable...I'm probably dead wrong but....what the hay?   Top

Nash 437 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-08-03, 07:00 PM (EST) 63. "I could be wrong but I'm sticking with Sandra" but...it'll probably be Ryan O. if there's a big twist.   Top

PhoenixMons 4696 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Stuff Magazine Centerfold" 10-08-03, 07:29 PM (EST) 64. "Ryan O." LAST EDITED ON 10-08-03 AT 07:30 PM (EST) I've thought he'd be gone in week four for a while now...just a gut feeling I guess I don't even know who I'd choose as an alternate. I would HOPE they'd get rid of pointless Jon if (when) Drake goes to TC, but I don't think the powers that be (Burshawn and Michelle) would let that happen. Drat. edited for sigpic removal (DOH!)   Top

Mon Cherie 1813 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 10-08-03, 08:54 PM (EST) 65. "Christa" n/m   Top

moonbaby 17120 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-08-03, 09:32 PM (EST) 66. "Christa" I hope she gets medical attention for that tonsillitis.   Top

whoami 2936 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 10-08-03, 10:16 PM (EST) 67. "Jon" no reason just a hunch. WHOAMI Juat ask me.   Top

tribalwatcher 56 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-08-03, 10:45 PM (EST) 68. "Jon" I don't know who's going, but I hope it's Jon.   Top

IslandFever 205 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 10-08-03, 11:06 PM (EST) 69. "Bye Bye Burton" His idea to throw IC backfires.   Top

Round Robin 2914 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 10-09-03, 00:14 AM (EST) 70. "HEY JON..." ...it's time for you to go!   Top

bergdogg 380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-09-03, 00:30 AM (EST) 71. "Trish" Why the hell not.   Top

SurvivorJoel 73 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-09-03, 00:51 AM (EST) 72. "Jon" One, ur different spoilers for this episode all seem really possible. Two, I just don't like Jon.   Top

KDMaxx 18 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 10-09-03, 01:19 AM (EST) 73. "Rupert" Hey, I got Lillian last week (prior to Snewsers post) so I'm going with my gut again.   Top

Goooey_Alley 425 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-09-03, 03:56 AM (EST) 74. "Christa Hastie" I will miss her voice... 'Cause it made mine Angelic... I'll miss her "Helga" looks... Yodel...   Top

SteffiGurl 358 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-09-03, 05:24 AM (EST) 75. "Christa" And I really don't want that to happen, but the argument for Christa's boot makes sense.   Top

tribephyl 12393 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-09-03, 05:25 AM (EST) 76. "Ryan Oprey" I'm pretty sure Morgan benefits from the treasure, but unfortunately they show up drunk to TC as well. Osten, you li'l stinker. Tijuana, you li'l snake. Darrah, you li'l mole. Andrew, ... Andrew? ... What? You're on Drake now? Well, Andrew, if you could have voted, who would you have voted for? Andrew: "Darrah" Mean while at TC ... JP: "Ryan, you are the fourth person voted out of the game."   Top

tribephyl 12393 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-09-03, 05:53 AM (EST) 78. "RE: SurvivorBlows Tribe, It's Time to Vote!" Tis post 78, containing 73 votes, 3 vote tallies, 1 violation /slash/ vote re-affirmation, done by Nash. Feel free to ridicule. And 1 vote tally f**k up. Argh! By me. Make sure to ridicule relentlessly. So far Christa is the favorite boot. With Jon, being the only other close choice. Plus, Sandra, Osten and Trish finally join the list of hopeful boots. Christa -- 31 Jon ----- 22 Ryan O. -- 7 Burton --- 4 Rupert --- 4 Tijuana -- 2 Osten --- 1 Trish ---- 1 Sandra -- 1 UTR: Shawn Michelle Darrah Andrew tribephyl   Top

udg 3381 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-09-03, 06:09 AM (EST) 79. "Jon..." 1) Just because TPTB have made it LOOK like Rupert is upset at Burton for suggesting they throw the IC, that doesn't mean that the events actually transpire that way. I think he's pissed off at Jon for something. 2) I think the greatest lie ever is told to or by a person who is sent to the other tribe to pillage. Then again, I'm never right, and I think it's Jon, which means it's not.   Top

Thaibeach 872 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-09-03, 06:43 AM (EST) 80. "Christa" ...but I really hope it's Jon.   Top

Draco Malfoy 10525 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-09-03, 07:17 AM (EST) 81. "Christa" Baaa...   Top

echogirl 2120 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 10-09-03, 08:15 AM (EST) 82. "Shawn" Why? Because he needs a vote! I'm trying to think of a plausible reason for a Shawn vote and honestly I can't think of one. But I'll make something up so my left field pick has some substance. Drake wins IC and sends Jon to pirate Morgan. Jon gets interrogated just like Christa did. However Jon, already thinking merge, leaks vital information in hopes of gaining post merge alliance members. He does this because he is aware he is at best the 4th or 5th wheel in any Drake alliance. When he gets back he catches wind that Drake is planning on throwing the IC in order to boot him. Jon, who thought he was in good with Burton/Shawn/Michelle is furious. Burton/Shawn/Michelle also think they have Trish in their alliance so they feel safe booting Jon. At the same time Rupert/Christa/Sandra also think they have Trish in their alliance, so booting Jon appears safe and logical. Jon begins manipulating everyone! He convinces Rupert that Shawn intentionally lost the spear in order to weaken Rupert's importance to the tribe. Jon convinces Rupert that his name was brought up as an enticement to throw the challenge, but Rupert, not himself, was the actual target. Jon said Shawn convinced Burton to approach him about this. Jon then approaches Burton/Shawn/Michelle and convinces them they will target Burton, not him. Meanwhile the hidden alliance is between Trish and Jon, but because Trish is UTR nobody suspects her. She plays both sides and agrees to vote out Rupert/Shawn. Now Jon has to decide which group to vote with. When the IC occurs and Drake loses Morgan does indeed take Rupert, which further complicates matters. As compensation, Ryan O goes to Drake. Jon brings him into his alliance with Trish, and the shocked members of Drake don't know who to vote out. The tribe splinters. Burton/Shawn/Michelle vote Ryan O. Jon/Trish/Christa/Ryan O vote Shawn. Sandra votes Jon. A shocked Shawn has his torch extinguished, and Jon becomes the temporary power broker in Drake. Meanwhile Morgan tells Rupert that Jon spilled the beans about his tribe forcing him to either join Morgan's ranks, or walk the plank the next time they go to TC. Hey it took me ten minutes to make this up! Pretty silly huh?   Top

queencityfan 123 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-09-03, 09:06 AM (EST) 83. "Jon" Please, let it be Mr Fair-Play.   Top

LilNik8 195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-09-03, 09:47 AM (EST) 84. "Christa" Mmm yeah...you got me with the evidence   Top

GuessItRains 700 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-09-03, 09:55 AM (EST) 85. "Darrah" I've been going back and forth between Jon and Christa for the last couple days, and at this point I feel like I'd have to draw a name out of a hat to pick between them. But when I saw this morning that Darrah was one of only 3(!) contestants that nobody thinks is going, it gave me pause. There was a spoiler saying Christa, Burton, and Darrah got family visits. It's now been discounted. If either Christa or Burton could go, why not Darrah? Though Dawg has departed our board, his Hollow theory remains valid...when everything in sight is pointing away from the obvious, there's a good chance the obvious is right. We know that Morgan is completely decimated and unable to win challenges on their own. We know that some in Drake want to throw a challenge but others don't. So let's cut it all away and assume that Drake wins the IC. Their unexpected reward has nothing to do with picking who goes...it's just more food, blankets, or something like that. The decimated Morgans then vote off exactly who you would expect them to: their most worthless member who they thought about canning last week. And the spoiler world really is rocked.   Top

smiles 675 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-09-03, 10:00 AM (EST) 86. "christa" .   Top

1derfool 185 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-09-03, 10:23 AM (EST) 87. "Sandra" Sandra and Jon are the only ones who seem to be fighting. Since they need muscles to balance out kidnapped Rupert, so it's got be a women who gets booted.... pick the one that's causing the most discontent --- Sandra.   Top

Booted 156 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-09-03, 10:25 AM (EST) 88. "Jon" Here are the details. Jiffy said he didn't like Jon but came to root for him. We have not seen the "came to root for him" part but I think most people don't like him. We have the Big Lie that we don't know if it happened or not yet, but indirectly it was attached to Jon. We have the Big Regret that we don't know if it happened or not yet but was implied that it tied to the Big Lie. We have heard that someone at tribal council has had too much to drink and (I don't remember correctly but this is my remembrance of it) makes a scene. Here is how I think they all tie together and why Jon goes. I think the Big Lie happens this week. It involves Jon, though I think he will not tell it. The Big Lie causes Jon to be in the hot seat and know that most likely he is going to be voted out, although at the time almost no one knows it is a Big Lie except the teller. Later in the show the teller of the Big Lie will come to regret it, but we won't know why until that happens. Drake loses the IC. It does not matter if Rupert goes to Morgan or not. Because of the Big Lie and knowing he is probable going home Jon drinks too much. At tribal council it is apparent that Jon is not long for the game. He makes some type of speech / comment that gets Jeff rooting for him to stay and go far in the game (similar to what Robb - with 2 b's did). But, Jon does not change the minds of the voters (just like Robb with 2 b's didn't) and he is the first one gone from Drake. Booted   Top

AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-09-03, 10:47 AM (EST) 92. "Burton" I really wanted to vote for Shawn, but I'm too wimpy to do so. The truth is that I have no idea. Heck, I still think the "biggest lie" is that one tribe claims that it was told that it was OK to take one of the people from the other tribe. That said, I think the architect of the "let's lose a challenge" strategy gets the boot after his tribe decides that it lost something too valuable. Throwing a challenge worked for Ethan, but it won't work for Burton.   Top

DoodleBug 5133 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-09-03, 10:50 AM (EST) 94. "Christa" She seems like an outsider on Drake. The strong ones will survive until closer to the merge.   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-09-03, 10:50 AM (EST) 95. "Burton" I had to think and think about this. I decided to just come in here and vote for Burton before any of the other sites started putting up their picks and potentially influences me one way or another. Interstingly enough it was the discussions in Krautboys Burton Goes Scenarios thread and his decision that it was Christa that got the boot that made me decide on Burton. I think JP comment about not voting out the strong early only referred to Morgan since they're the ones that have been there so often. Drake (with the possibility of losing Rubert) still has Shawn and some strong women going for them, PLUS I'm sure they're thinking merge will happen soon so they're going to make the classic mistake of voting off a strong person before the merge. I'm not completely convinced of my reasoning, but there it is. Oh and I'd like to take this moment to taunt Nash for his blatent disrespect of the voting rules and responding to his own vote with a comment. And the two other people who voted incorrectly...I taunt you! I miss the taunting. Superman always encouraged us to taunt, I think Dave is going soft on us! mistofleas --has been taunted in the past   Top

lroy 536 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-09-03, 11:03 AM (EST) 96. "Burton" Wiser folks than me have said so... ~lroy   Top

SurvivaBear 2634 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 10-09-03, 11:14 AM (EST) 98. "Jon" I have no problem using other's "inside knowledge" to make my picks, but if you do you may not want to listen to the rest of my logic. Snewser has checkmarks on the first five episodes, indicating to me he knows the first five boots. Although he has downgraded some players in recent weeks, Jon and Rupert have been in the "potential suckitude" category from the beginning. In fact, he indicates that a little birdie told him Rupert does not go far. If Drake goes to TC, they should vote out the weakest link unless something drastic happens. Obviously, Jon is weaker than Rupert and there is anecdotal evidence that Jon may do some things that do not ingratiate him to his tribe. Oh well, it is a theory.   Top

Oscirus 1596 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-09-03, 11:20 AM (EST) 99. "Andrew" Because everybody nos that Jerry springer usually has 4 couples on per episode of Jerry Springer;this is the 4th tc and andrew is jery's lawyer coincidence? I think not. nuff said   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-09-03, 11:47 AM (EST) 101. "Burton" What can I say, I like the idea of Christa hitting the sauce and telling the tribe it was Burton's idea to throw the IC.   Top

Chez 777 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-09-03, 12:29 PM (EST) 103. "Jon" Jon   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-09-03, 01:29 PM (EST) 104. "Capm Burton" LAST EDITED ON 10-09-03 AT 01:34 PM (EST) ARRRRRRRR!!!! The oirony, HarHarHar, it be boot one loss yit ther Dreks torses owt Capm Burton whilst ther Morkens 'ave yit ter mutin on thet wretched Capm Andy. HarHarHar! It came down to OFG Theory and a choice between Christa and Burton. Christa has had more face time but she's also been telling the tale.   Top

okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 10-09-03, 01:35 PM (EST) 105. "Jon" Just because... Okaloosajohn   Top

SurvivorBlows 15230 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-09-03, 01:36 PM (EST) 106. "BURTON" I agree that Drake's IC run seems to end. I agree that there's multiple evidence pointing to a Drake RC win. The idea that its Burton's suggestion that Drake throw a challenge also certainly seems like legit speculation. If after that, Morgan gets an "unexpected reward" for winning the IC, even if Rupert *ISN'T* the reward, I can still see the Drake members blaming Burton for not getting the reward for themselves (particularly if there are some Drake members who weren't thrilled with the idea of throwing a challenge to being with.) Voting out strength is unusual... but not unheard of. At first glance, Christa or Jon might appear to be the more logical choice, but never underestimate the power of emotion over logic. And if there's one thing we've seen after seven series, is that the contestants don't always do the logical thing. -SB   Top

sleeeve 3456 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-09-03, 01:47 PM (EST) 107. "Christa" I've seen nothing to convince me that Burton is in more danger than Christa. If Drake loses, Christa seems like the obvious boot to me.   Top

mtopaz 2167 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 10-09-03, 01:47 PM (EST) 108. "Burton" I think Morgan wins both the Reward and Immunity challenges this episode. Perhaps Drake decides to throw the IC (or some members but not others decide to throw it?). I also think that the big twist for the reward challenge is that Morgan gets the MVP of the Drake tribe - and their most valuable player/possession is Rupert. So Rupert is save from vote off this time around (and should he remain with Drake, it would be extremely foolish and unlikely that he will be booted off). I think Burton may be one of the tribe who wanted to throw the IC - then the loss of Rupert comes back to bite him.   Top

hrc2u 146 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-09-03, 02:19 PM (EST) 110. "Jon" Jon, he doesn't get time to regret his "big Lie" or to show anyone. hrc2u   Top

MDSkinner 716 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-09-03, 02:25 PM (EST) 111. "Burton" going with the flow, though it seems to me that Jon is a better candidate from Drake just because of the fact that he does not appear to have an alliance with anyone. I am just believing the spoilers that Jon is safe this week.   Top

royalswin 8 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-09-03, 02:29 PM (EST) 112. "Burton" As to how it happens, I defer to KB, Brownroach, and Bebo. I'll only add that this makes more sense than a Christa boot based on what we knows happens in the long-term (i.e. once he goes and Rupert goes over, Morgan starts to win and eliminate the Drake people we know don't last). It is a surprising boot from an editing perspective, as, from that perspective, I thought Crista was perfectly set up to go.   Top

GuessItRains 700 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-09-03, 02:35 PM (EST) 113. "Vote Tally #4" This is post #113, compiling 99 votes, 8 vote changes, 3 vote tallies, and 2 rules violations (shame on you Nash and tribephyl!) Christa......30 Jon..........28 Burton.......21 Ryan O........7 Rupert........4 Sandra........2 Tijuana.......2 Andrew........1 Darrah........1 Osten.........1 Shawn.........1 Trish.........1 Michelle is UTR   Top

sgoogs 32 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-09-03, 02:37 PM (EST) 114. "Jon" RC Morgan IC Morgan Drake boots Jon   Top

tig_ger 2098 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 10-09-03, 02:45 PM (EST) 115. "Burton????" I'm never right...so nobody copy me. Go copy Bebo or something.   Top

zzz 703 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-09-03, 02:52 PM (EST) 116. "Burton" Hey--I'm riding a winner. For whatever it is worth, if you think you might change your vote later--I think you should just wait to vote (like I have). I find it amusing that people want to be among the first to vote, but then when the "experts" pick differently, they go and change their votes.   Top

Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-09-03, 03:02 PM (EST) 117. "Burton" Okay, it seems like Burton had the idea to throw the IC. And it all comes back to haunt them when Morgan gets to pirate a player from Drake and takes Rupert. Bye Bye Mr Big Idea.   Top

BrykMantra 49 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-09-03, 03:43 PM (EST) 118. "Jon" You notice that I always wait till the ABT picks come out, then I pick somebody different, somebody that I WANT to go. Hey, it's no fun shooting fish in a barrel ... ------------------------------------- http://brykmantra.blogspot.com   Top

BigGrrl 2 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-09-03, 04:21 PM (EST) 119. "Jon" There just plain isn't enough misdirection in the EPM universe for this dork. He's going to be kimmi'd right off the island tonight.   Top

dendanash 47 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-09-03, 04:40 PM (EST) 120. "RE: Burton" Burton goes with a vote of 5-2   Top

IceCat 17415 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-09-03, 05:23 PM (EST) 121. "Burton" Baaaaaa Baaaaaa... My reasoning prior to the TDT's Picks post was as follows: Drake wins the reward with Rupert competing. Drake wins IC with Rupert sitting out because it is a balancing challenge and his size might put him at a disadvantage. Just after The IC, Morgan finds their treasure and part of the treasure is a 'gift certificate' of sorts that allows the bearer to redeem the certificate for one member of the opposing tribe. The Morgans redeem their certificate just before the trip to tribal council and claim Rupert as their prize. Rupert is promptly given the boot at the tribal council where is everyone is a little tipsy from the booze that was also part of the treasure. but... that theory is apparently now shot full of holes now that TDT and Snewser have made their decrees.   Top

travelingbetty 296 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 10-09-03, 05:25 PM (EST) 122. "Burton" one more for the Burton tally   Top

wolfinthedark 9 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-09-03, 06:12 PM (EST) 123. "christa" though it wouldnt surprise me if it was someone outta left field this week   Top

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