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"Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..."
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LAST EDITED ON 10-06-03 AT 11:57 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 10-06-03 AT 10:29 AM (EST) This is actually Part 3 Here's the link to the last one we had: Part 2 Here are the quotes from JP and MB. Please let me know if there are others that I should add to this list and I'll get them in here for discussion. And here all are the JP / MB quotes that were over in that discussion: ****************** Jeff also said that THE BIGGEST LIE EVER is told this season. He didn't elaborate, but he went on to say that he and Mark Burnett are waiting for someone to apply to the show and basically say that they have an advanced degree in psychology, have written 3 books, but they are totally going to play the game like a postman from Montana (or something like that). Jiffy said they were waiting for someone to come in and totally lie their way through the game, but that they haven't seen anyone like that yet. ----------------------------------------------- JP said the "greatest lie ever told" was on this season he also said there was "some regret." But emphasized regret. Elliot asked about the Ghandia-Ted incident and JP said this "regret" tops even that because with the Ghandia-Ted thing, you could at least play it off as happening in your sleep. ------------------------------------------------ For a time, he says he fell for "the greatest lie ever told on 'Survivor.' "It's brilliant. It's brutal and it's brilliant and it totally suckered me," says Probst, who, naturally, won't divulge who told the lie or what its ramifications were. "My first reaction was 'Motherf----r,' and then my second reaction was 'Wow, that's amazing.' "
*note: there were a couple of versions of this quote; this one is the most complete. ------------------------------------------------ Probst on The Big Lie: "Well, I'm in danger of becoming Mark in over-hyping the lie, but I'm out there actually believing this thing, and when I find out that its really a lie, it surprises me! Is it like Ted and Ghandia? Not really . . . its a flat-out absolute lie that one person tells everybody else, and they believe it. In fact, I'm sure that they still don't know its a lie and won't find out until they watch the show along with the audience." "We've been waiting for something like this to come along since we started this thing. We don't tell the Survivors anything about having to tell the truth about their occupations or anything else for that matter. (Pauses) You know, I've always said that if I did one of these things, I would come up with some off-the wall profession and tell everybody that my mother is deathly ill and my father is about to die." ------------------------------------------------ Probst says Dalton, an art consultant from Virginia, takes the prize for "squirreliest" contestant ever. He's responsible for "the greatest lie ever told on Survivor," says Probst, who's heard a few whoppers. *note: the reporter has retracted his statement here that Probst said it was Jon who told the lie. It leads to the "biggest regret" and "the most dramatic, impactful twist yet," he says. ------------------------------------------------ A "very, very regrettable event happens," Probst says. "And I think the person to whom it happens is going to regret it, and I think they're going to regret it more than they have any idea (they will) right now. I couldn't believe it when it happened, and I can't wait for it to play out." Hopefully we'll see some fruit this week regarding the BL or the BT. 
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edited because she's a big dork who didn't change the subject line to Part 3
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10-06-03, 11:36 AM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 10-06-03 AT 12:18 PM (EST)Hopefully we'll see some fruit this week regarding the BL or the BT. Yeah, Misto, or soon you will be starting a Part 26 thresd.  Just to address the discussion in Part 2 re LadyT's theory that Osten lied about being a poor swimmer: The problem here is that JP says he's sure the other players don't know the lie was a lie yet. If Osten suddenly became an excellent swimmer midway through the game, some players would already know he'd lied, or at least suspect it. JP says the lie was told by the liar to his tribemates. JP also heard the lie because he got suckered by it. But how would JP have heard it if it was told at camp? It seems to me like the lie would have had to come out either at a challenge or at a TC. Since there's going to be a "spectacle" at TC this week, I think we may hear our Big Lie in the process. 
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10-06-03, 04:04 PM (EST)
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5. "Big Twist and Big Regret connected" |
Evidence is now mounting that the Big Twist is an ousted player returning to the game. Appears it is going to be Lil. She wins a competition among the first 6 or so losers and returns to the game. We have been wondering how the timing of 39 days will work out if this happens, as it would mean 2 of the remaining players would have to go that same week. How about this? Suppose when Lil comes back, she is given the opportunity to choose the person she will replace. Whom might she pick? Here's what I think -- remember when she was voted out, she commented in her confessional that Andrew had promised her he would tell her if she was going to be the one, and yet he did not. Maybe Lil chooses Andrew as the one to leave when she comes back. That would lead to Andrew's Big Regret. If he had only told her, she would have chosen someone else.
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10-06-03, 05:11 PM (EST)
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I wouldn't exactly consider that a big lie but its possible. My theory is that Osten is the big lyer. Jeff Probst and MB have both said that they have been looking for someone to lie they're entire way through the game. Osten pretends that hes sick the entire game thus not making him a threat then around the final 6 he comes in and wins immunities until the final 3 where he is said to be voted off. It would also fit the profile of Jeff getting suckered into it because Osten has said to Jeff at Tribal Council that he is on edge. Thus Jeff would believe Osten that hes sick of the game. Also people would not know about Osten faking being sick because he never told them.
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10-06-03, 04:57 PM (EST)
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I'll try to sum up my previous thoughts in the 3rd edition of the BL BT BR thread (thanks misto  )Big lie is Osten. Not the swimming (though he is likely faking his swimming inability at least a little), but the quitting. He never wanted to quit. He wanted to remain UTR and being the big brawny guy, you've got a big target on your back. He does what he needs to when he needs to or at least puts in enough effort so he is still "needed" and let's them anticipate when he'll be "full strength" again. The big lie is linked to the big twist, which is Lill returning to the game (too bad these recent Lil quotes seem to be making fun of us for believing this). She returns and somehow makes it to the final three and wins final three IC. This leads to the big regret. Lill and Ryan S. seemed (at this point) to be the only ones who really disliked Osten's begging for votes. Lill was angry that Ryan S. was voted out over Osten when Osten said he wanted to go. So Lill decides to take whomever is left (Darrah...oh please let it NOT be Darrah - YUCK) to the F2 over Osten because he wanted to quit and his "heart" wasn't in it. Osten might not know WHY Lill picked the other player over Osten until he saw her ep 2 talks on TV about Osten having no heart and giving up/quitting. It's probably wrong, but I like it for now I am really leaning toward the regret being some sort of MORAL regret, but the above three possibilities all fit together nicely. 
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10-06-03, 05:04 PM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 10-06-03 AT 05:05 PM (EST)He wanted to remain UTR and being the big brawny guy, you've got a big target on your back. Not at the beginning of the game, you don't. I just don't understand why anyone would use this tactic. Ken in S5 tried a variation on it, his tribe lost the majority of challenges and he got screwed. And, like Osten, he was in the core F4 alliance on his tribe. Someone like that should plan on doing their damndest to win challenges, getting their tribe to the merge with a majority, pagonging the other tribe and non-alliance members, and then going on a late game IC run to ensure getting to F2. Like Colby did.
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10-06-03, 05:20 PM (EST)
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I just think it's fun coming up with all of these "possible" ideas. I do think Osten is faking wanting to go home (for whatever reason he may have). But I think we're all pretty sure that Rupie is a victim of the old switcheroo next week = big twist. But as far as how Osten's "lie" could help him out, I think the Ken situation at Sook Jai, and the Osten situation at Morgan is VERY different. Firstly, Ken was pretty sucky in challenges (I didn't know that was on purpose...he sucked in last stage of the individual challenge against Clay BIG time) AND his team was probably a lot stronger physically (all of the challenges thus far have been physical on S7) than Morgan (especially in comparison to the opposition. Osten is THE man for this tribe. That wasn't the case, as far as I see it, in any other season for any other tribe (maybe Colby) until now with Osten as THE man of Morgan and Rupert as THE man for Drake. Osten will certainly be perceived as an IC threat come merge time, so why wouldn't he try to lie low as long as possible while still contributing "just enough" (as he sees fit)? He's likely thinking "win" (like Brandon in Africa) rather than "place". He probably feels that he can't even get to the jury if he's that big of an IC threat (boot him before he can make an IC run). Granted, he is in the big 4 alliance, but I don't know how strong that alliance is (Osten-Tijuana is probably strongest link on the show, though Tijuana seems to be very much in control of the tribe). Maybe this was his strategy after he saw his team, maybe it developed, maybe it's just a bunch of baloney. But it's fun trying to piece everything together. I'm still wondering where the quote about the lite starting in ep 2 came from (or where it is...I keep seeing people reference it, but don't think I've seen it yet. That might shed some light into the possibilities (or at least narrow them down).
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10-06-03, 06:38 PM (EST)
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Agree BR, I just don't think the whole swimming/not swimming thing is the lie. This person told a lie to everyone else and it is brutal, blah blah. This is what I come up with as far as Osten:I can't swim So? I can't begin to even pull this together but somehow I have major hinky's that if the lie is going to happen soon; this episode with the talk of throwing a challenge, Rupert ending up leaving, spectacle at TC, accusations thrown, etc. It literally to me anyway, has all the ingredients; I just haven't stirred enough to make it fit with the whole lie receipe But if there is going to be any lie that is near to the LIE that Jeff is spouting, somehow I feel it is entangled in all that will happen this week.
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10-09-03, 10:38 PM (EST)
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73. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
Once again this week I just want to be put down for saying Olsten is the big lie. Still trying to figure out how to use this board though.He was kicking pretty hard on those underwater shots for a non-swimmer as far as I'm concerned. Know alot of you don't consider this a "brutal lie", but remember Mark over envisizes everthing on this show. The Drunken spectacal tonight..good example... was not that big of a deal.
Olsten is hiding, and brutally doing it by sacraficing his teammates to get to the merge so he can win individual challanges.
That's my thought and I've been sticking to it since show two. Thanks for all your all help in keeping me in the game even though I'm makeing all the decisions.
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10-07-03, 00:51 AM (EST)
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do you think it is possible that Rupert is not an early boot?
maybe the rumors are wrong and he goes far in this game.
at least i think it is still very possible for him to end
up going farther than everyone thinks.
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10-07-03, 04:14 AM (EST)
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I'm not stalking, but I had to find your 3rd post.And As I've stated in other posts, I have to agree with you. I hope we are right.
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10-07-03, 05:57 PM (EST)
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yeah...I would like to see Rupert win it all somehow.
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10-07-03, 08:01 AM (EST)
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What if the big twist is that the tribe that wins IC gets to vote someone off from the other tribe? THat would explain Ruperts early exit would it not? just my 2 cents
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10-07-03, 08:19 AM (EST)
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19. "RE: Big Twist Cont..." |
What early exit rtru? I haven't found anything solid that suggests Rupert makes an early exit. I think there was a presumption that because he has been featured so much it must mean he goes and I don't always buy that.
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10-07-03, 08:40 PM (EST)
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44. "RE: Big Twist Cont..." |
My take on Ruperts alleged early boot involves this weeks "Surprise Reward" at the IC challenge. I specualte that the winning team gets to Shanghi (not sure on spelling, but it's an old pirate term that refers to involentary crew men) someone on the opther team and picks Rupert. Next week Drake wins immunity and doesn't/can't reclaim Rupert and he's sent packing by the Morgans.
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10-07-03, 09:25 PM (EST)
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I am really going to be upset if this is the big twist. I have been telling all of my friends since last year that I felt it would be a great twist in the game to have the winner of the IC to get to vote someone off the other team. I think it would be great. Alliances would be worthless, the strong would feel threatened rather than cocky and we would have nothing but weak little last picked dorks in the final three. I just never knew how to get the idea to MB. I am glad though that someone else has thought of this idea too.
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10-08-03, 12:27 PM (EST)
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55. "RE: Big Twist Cont..." |
Here's my thought on the "big twist"Whoever wins RC can steal a member of the opposing tribe, however, that person can still be voted out by their original tribe if/when that tribe loses IC. Example: Morgan wins RC and steals Rupert. Drake is bumming. Without Rupert they lose IC and need to vote someone off. The geniuses realize that as long as Rupert stays on Drake they're not going to win any more challenges, so they vote to boot him. The regret might be that they then win the subsequent RC and could have stolen Rupert back, but now he's gone for good. For what it's worth, I don't think any truly "booted" (torch extinguished) contestants get to come back. That's what season 8 is for. Maybe, just maybe there's a semi-boot option as has been discussed and players are put into limbo but I think that'll really complicate the game and leave viewers dissatisfied that Tribal Council has lost its significance. Just my $.02. -P
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10-07-03, 11:26 AM (EST)
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29. "Regret has different meanings..." |
Regret, as a verb, can connote different things:1) You can regret something that you did and wish you hadn't done it or 2) You can regret that something happened (to you) over which you had no control. Since "a regrettable event happens to someone," it sounds like the latter applies. The person is not responsible for the event but is most directly affected by it (and more so than they currently realize). Thus he/she will regret that it happened.
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10-07-03, 11:37 AM (EST)
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See and I think it means the other BR. First we've got:A "very, very regrettable event happens," Probst says. And I think the person to whom it happens is going to regret it... This could imply that it happens to someone and they cannot control what happens. But then we have this part: "...and I think they're going to regret it more than they have any idea (they will) right now." If a uncontrolable event happens and someone regrets that it happens to them, they'd know it and regret it right away. How can you regret even more something that you couldn't control? I truly believe that the regret comes from an actual action that someone takes. They'll have regret because of the action and then regret it even more when they seen even more consequences from the action.
To me "regret" implies some sort of action of conscience. You did something wrong or you "feel bad" at having to do something. If your the victim of circumstance, you don't really "regret" that circumstance, you're just sad about it. You have nothing to "atone" for as it were because you didn't "do" anything.
(did any of that make sense at all?)
--will explain if she just confused the issue even more
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10-07-03, 11:48 AM (EST)
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32. "RE: Regret has different meanings..." |
Not only didn't confuse but made sense and also makes me contradict my previous scenario. Someone could do the regrettable act then get booted pre-jury. The event itself plays out as part of the jury and voting, maybe helping to determine when someone else leaves. The one who caused the event won't know until they see the later episodes since they are off on vacation somewhere. Either it causes an enemy to go farther or it causes a friend to get booted earlier. Until we know the character of the person who committed the act (and what they would regret the most), we can't really tell how it will play out.
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10-08-03, 02:01 AM (EST)
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48. "RE: Regret has different meanings..." |
Clearly Darrah sleeps with Rhino and then he exits, leaving her to fend for herself
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10-07-03, 06:24 PM (EST)
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38. "RE: Regret has different meanings..." |
"A very, very regrettable event happens," Probst says. And I think the person to whom it happens is going to regret it...
"...and I think they're going to regret it more than they have any idea (they will) right now
Can I ask a question? The second statement by Jeff. Is he talking within context of the show's progression or real time? Because if he is talking about it within the context of the show's life as opposed to real life, the scenario changes somewhat especially since we were trying to tie it into the big lie and how no one would know until watching the show. If the lie and regret are separate then maybe Jeff is referring as to how this regrettable event happens and the person is going to regret it but not until after they do it and feel regret will they really really regret it (within the confines of the show's life span) If the regrettable event is TO throw the challenge and the event is placed on someone to do it (which they will regret but will do it anyway) won't they regret it even more when they see what resulted from it. I know I know, I'm taking major liberties here.
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10-07-03, 07:27 PM (EST)
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40. "RE: Regret has different meanings..." |
I'm not so sure about that, BR -- they MIGHT regret it already, but it may get worse for them when they get home. For example (not that I necessarily believe this to be the BR): Osten and Tijuana hook up one night and make the monster with two backs. Although they're listed as 'single', I'm sure they have somebody back home. Or maybe Osten later reveals he has genital warts, like the guy from Big Brother... lol.Example 2: MB decides a twist (after 4000 misdirections talked about here) will be that final voting is done live on the final show, instead of on the island as usual. Then everybody has a chance to see the shows and see what is said on the confessionals. If somebody did something to get somebody else kicked off (like maybe Lill said Rupert pushed her off a cliff, breaking her ankle, when in reality she just tripped over all of Morgan's treasure (ha!)) and it gets them to the final 2... but then they find out everybody's going to see what they did and vote for the other... that'd be a big regret of an unfortunate incident that the person would have no idea how bad it was. I know both examples are a little far-fetched, but the point is whatever the regret is, it's probably regrettable now, but will be MORE regrettable after the show.
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10-07-03, 08:27 PM (EST)
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42. "RE: Regret has different meanings..." |
I'm in agreement with BR that JP was talking about the regret in long term sense, not in terms of show time. Acawap, I don't think either of your examples are far-fetched actually. This one: Example 2: MB decides a twist (after 4000 misdirections talked about here) will be that final voting is done live on the final show, instead of on the island as usual. Then everybody has a chance to see the shows and see what is said on the confessionals. Is something that I suggested in the first BL/BT/BR thread. I think it's a great example of how someone could really regret an action taken while doing the show only AFTER they realize that it will greatly affect how people vote. I'm also thinking about how little we're hearing from the contestants and what they're doing right now. We usually hear that one or two contestants visit each other or get together to party or watch shows, but we haven't heard much (if anything) like that this season. My thinking is that if the final vote actually takes place live on the finale night (as we see it)MB would put a quash on any contact between survivors until that actual night. No visits to make people become closer friends with the final two and be swayed by that friendship to vote their way. No contact at all until the finale. That way, the F2 wouldn't be able to influence and garner for votes. The jury wouldn't be able to talk amongst themselves (like they surely do while at the jury LL during the show).
Could this be a possibility?
--thinks it would be an interesting twist
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10-08-03, 09:39 AM (EST)
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50. "From Acawap" |
Osten and Tijuana hook up one night and make the monster with two backs. Although they're listed as 'single', I'm sure they have somebody back home.What if the big lie is one of them is married? They hook up, regret it but will regret it even more when the show airs. I'm sure when it actually does occur, we'll be like WTF? That was a big lie?  
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10-08-03, 11:28 AM (EST)
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51. "I keep having a nagging feeling that something was missed..." |
I just watched ep 2 again (love TiVo). If the lie started in ep-2, there is really only one event per tribe, outside of a challenge, that could be the start of the "big lie". First is the obvious one about Osten wanting to go home and that's been covered. The only other real event that was shown was Sean losing the spear tip. I keep having the feeling that he may have done it on purpose to undermine Rupe's importance in his tribe. He claimed to have fired the spear and the tip shot off, yet he couldn't remember where he fired it. He was very evasive when Rupe was interrogating him and I think he looked like he was lying about the whole thing. I'm sorry if this has been covered before, I tried to get through all of part 1 and part 2 threads but it was giving me a headache!!! This speculating is making the week between episodes soooooo long!
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10-08-03, 11:37 AM (EST)
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53. "RE: I keep having a nagging feeling that something was missed..." |
If the lie started in ep-2Just want to clear this up because it's been mentioned a couple of times already: There is no spoiler that says the lie started in Episode 2. A poster on Sucks wrote this because he/she was positing the theory that the big lie was Osten faking wanting to quit, and his fakery started in Ep 2. So, if you believe that is the big lie, yes, it started in Episode 2. If you don't believe that is the big lie, there is no reason to believe it concerns something that started or occurred in Episode 2.
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54. "RE: I keep having a nagging feeling that something was missed..." |
In that case... I don't think we've seen the big lie yet. hopefully it will happen in ep-4, the suspense is killing me. I do have a feeling that Jon is involved.
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10-08-03, 03:35 PM (EST)
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59. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
Osten is faking drowning. I've watched the video again and again, and when someone is drowning they flail (sp) their arms in panic, grabbing at the water to pull them up. Their legs go at rigged and awkward angels. They sink or bob up and down. (Going once, going twice, going thrice.) Jeff says "Well, I'm in danger of becoming Mark in over-hyping the lie, but I'm out there actually believing this thing, and when I find out that its really a lie, it surprises me!" and "It's brilliant. It's brutal and it's brilliant and it totally suckered me," and let's not forget ""My first reaction was 'Motherf----r,' and then my second reaction was 'Wow, that's amazing.' " Well, tonight he will be watching someone supposedly in danger of drowning and believing it. I also believe that Mark Burnett kept insisting that no one was in danger of drowning when asked that question in the pre-show interview. Now, perhaps he slipped by letting us know that it was the lie. Because if it was true that someone almost drowned, wouldn't he have played it down instead by saying "Well, you'll have to see the show to appreciate what happened. We had the situation well under control." See what I mean?
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60. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
if THAT is the big lie, then I'm never watching Survivor again!!!
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...ok, I'll watch, but I'd still be POed. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Osten were faking drowning. I think he's a pathetic baby, hypocondriac and attention hound (anybody notice he ripped off his shirt 5 seconds after they said people were going overboard, and stripped off his clothes 10 seconds after being on the beach? And speaking of which -- why haven't the women stripped down? What's the big diff between the typical bikini other survivors wore and a bra/panty combo??).The hype was that it was the 'greatest lie ever on Survivor' (paraphrasing), and that it was 'brutal', 'brilliant', etc. Maybe Osten did it because he knew of some switcheroo where the worst player would go to Drake in exchange for their best... who knows. But that's giving Osten waaaaaaaay too much credit. So he may have been faking, but don't think it was because of brilliant game strategy, it'll be because he is a wuss and didn't want to continue and hoped for some sympathy. More likely, the BIG LIE is when Osten later says in confessional that he was faking being a loser as part of his 'strategy'.
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61. "Torch on fire...Now it's out" |
While of little spoiler value, I hadn't seen the following speculation, so I deemed it worthwhile to post.I was trying to speculate what sort of lie could produce
a "M*****F*****" from Jiffy and in the wee hours I decided
it was the following. We're down to the final three, pick three, any three.
Let's call it Sandra, Osten and Darrah. Jiffy wakes
them at 3am for the "do something stupid for 20 hours"
challenge. After about five minutes Sandra quits. Osten asks Darrah "Hey, if I step off will you take me
to the final?" Darrah responds "mwahmwah". Osten steps down and we're
off to tribal council which unlike S6 wasn't held at
the TC site. Darrah writes on her parchment and
Jiffy goes to tally the vote. He opens the
parchment which the whole audience is expecting
to say "Sandra" only to reveal "Osten". Jiffy
swears, then retains his composure, returns and shows
the vote to an incredulous Osten. So, there's lots of holes. Jiffy claims that he tells
it to everyone else, that may mean "everyone else who is left",
as for not knowing it's a lie until they're watching it
at home, well that's a bit more difficult to talk my
way around. Also, I think I prefer Sandra in the backstabber role. J.S.C.
(Jiffy's Surprise Count)
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67. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
My first post this season, but this twist/lie/regret is driving me nuts. I think they're all somehow tied together and I didn't see anybody pose this scenario. What if the big lie is about Jon and Christa getting some action while everyone is treasure hunting? I'm not sure whether Jon himself tells the lie, or implies something (to someone like Burton?) that makes someone else tell it. If that's the case, then the lie could be the impetus for throwing the challenge--Jon's a jerk so we gotta get rid of him. If then, the big twist is losing a team member (Rupert?) there's some big regret all the way around--for throwing the challenge, for having loose lips about personal involvements,and perhaps some regret for ganging up on Jon if the lie proves to be false at a later time. By the way, I also think the Rupert switch is not the really BIG twist--that'll be the revived members later on...but the big lie and big regret, which are not exactly the same but ARE related will probably happen tonight, and will probably impact DRAKE's boot choice, in more ways than one.
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75. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
LAST EDITED ON 10-10-03 AT 00:23 AM (EST)OK - what about this for a big lie: - What if the whole idea of throwing the challenge, and approaching Rupert wasn't Burton's idea, but Jon's AKA the "Freaken Puppetmaster" - and we, and Jiffy are all laughing at the irony of Burton's proposal getting Burton booted - when, in fact, in was Jon's idea. I can see Jiffy swearing - due to surprise - (no one thought Jon was that smart - or that he could keep quiet about it). I just can't figure out how this ties into the big regret............ Of course - it's more a lie by ommission - so maybe this isn't it - OK - this is driving me nuts too - going off to a corner to babble quietly by myself.......
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10-09-03, 07:01 PM (EST)
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68. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
I just want it to be known I've become a bigger fan of Brownroach (JP) and Mistofleas (MB) than I am of the show.That being said, and since I know how much you both like Pelican stories (ie BRs 72 pt font message in another thread), somebody please tell me what the big deal with killing the pelican was? If it were me, and I was stranded without food, clothes, or supplies, I'd damn sure kill a pelican, monkey, spotted owl, baby seal or whatever had meat on it. Overweight cameraman would have to watch their back. And I've decided that I'm going to be on Survivor 9, and hire the two of you to manage me!
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10-09-03, 07:46 PM (EST)
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71. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
just want it to be known I've become a bigger fan of Brownroach (JP) and Mistofleas (MB) than I am of the show.Stop it, I'm getting a bigger head than I deserve! (you're just too sweet acawap!) That being said, and since I know how much you both like Pelican stories (ie BRs 72 pt font message in another thread), somebody please tell me what the big deal with killing the pelican was? Actually, the big deal about the pelican was that (and someone really smart correct me where I'm wrong here) a reporter (I think it was ET or TV Guide) was there during the first few days of shooting. Rupert and Christa killed a pelican and made it into a stew (or were about to make it into something) when the Survivor doctors stepped in and stopped them since pelicans are commonly known to carry parasites. The reporter reported the killing of the pelican. Some have continued to speculate that neither Rupert or Christa can go until we've seen this pelican killing happen. BUT it happened during the first few days and thus would have been shown to us in the first episode. We obviously didn't see it so MB must have deemed it "not worthy" and culled it from the episode. That damned pelican has played Moby ##### to my Ahab this season, so a bunch of us have been having fun making pelican jokes. How's that? And I've decided that I'm going to be on Survivor 9, and hire the two of you to manage me! Fine, but you should know that while I may be cheap, I am decidedly not easy. (shut up BR!)
--promises webby she'll work harder at keeping her OT nature under control
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10-10-03, 04:40 AM (EST)
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76. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
I think the big lie is Jon accusing Shawn of not voting for Burton, saying he knows what Shawn had on his card and it wasn't Burton's name. Jon knows the vote was 5-2 and he knows that Shawn did indeed vote for Burton, but Jon is trying to get Shawn kicked off next week so he lied to cause some more controversy. Jon's vote was the only one not shown, so that is how he knows it was 5-2 with Burton/Michelle voting for Christa. If that isn't THE big lie, it is definitely A big lie.
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10-10-03, 10:49 AM (EST)
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81. "OK, maybe I'm crazy..." |
LAST EDITED ON 10-10-03 AT 10:50 AM (EST)... but the thing that struck me the *most* about last night's episode was the weird way Jon was holding his arms at TC. He had two fingers extended on each hand, with his arms crossed. And it looked weird enough the first time, but he sat the same way after he got up and voted. Did this strike anybody else as weird? However... what could it mean? I'm not sure. That he's saying "I Am The Puppetmaster" and he's holding strings over the two factions? (And one little tiny baby string over Shawn ) I dunno. But it was the one thing that really smacked me in the face last night, and I instinctively thought of it in Big Lie terms. It would be something that JP would not notice at the time, but might come to realize later, as in being the final clue for him to realize that a BL was being told. Or... it was just a stupid drunk trying to hold himself upright. Does anybody else know what I'm talking about? One other conclusion I came to was that the Big Regret must be the Drake decision to throw the IC last night. Yeah, tribes have done that before and regretted it before, but I think JP must have been talking about the "losing a member" thing. Which, BTW, is doubly insidious, with the person returning to his/her tribe... can he/she ever be trusted again? Lizzmac
(edited to say that I use WAY too many smiley faces....)
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10-10-03, 11:31 AM (EST)
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85. "RE: OK, maybe I'm crazy..." |
I noticed that, too.Seemed to me like just some drunk little punk that wants to think he's something trying to look like he's cool, though. I think the big regret was throwing that competition (unless it was killing the infamous pelican that BrownRoach loves so much). They lost Burton AND Rupert, and the power has completely swung. How can Drake win any challenges now????? STUPID STUPID STUPID. I'm confused about one thing, though -- if that little paper said to take a member of the opposing tribe, that would've left Morgan with only 3 players if they lost, correct? I can't imagine that they would let that happen. I'll bet anything there were 2 notes on that little paper (or it was blank, whatever), and if Drake had won they would've had something different.
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10-10-03, 05:57 PM (EST)
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93. "Awww nuts" |
That's what I get for not watching pro wrasslin' like my grandma used to ;)Don't tell me I have to go back to thinking about this... No. I'm going to just say no to hidden signals and meanings, and keep repeating "Jon is a knucklehead, Jon is a knucklehead..." Thanks for the clarification, Acawap! Lizzmac
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10-16-03, 06:55 PM (EST)
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98. "RE: Jon's Hand signs" |
While I don't profess to know why Jon was holding up the 2 fingers on each hand, pressing them against his forearms as he rocked back and forth...he did do this before and after the vote Lizz, you were right about that. He did hold up the 4 fingers like the symbol of the 4 horseman, but he did this during his "can you dig that sucka?" at the voting portion, which if you watch the replays closely you can see that. He also did a swaggering little dance on his way in to TC, and going up to the voting booth. As for him seeing Shawn's vote, the only way he could have was if it was open in the container when he put his own vote in. Jon wrote additional stuff on his card below Burton's name and in each corner, he also knew that his card was not held up by Jiffy when he read the votes. So with a 4-2 vote and his own vote left in the container, that is how Jon knew that Shawn voted for Burton (since Michelle and Burton were obvious votes for Christa). I think the whole reason Jon "outs" Shawn in EP5 for voting for Burton is too show the tribe that they should vote for Michelle. He wants Shawn to stay around, they have a 1-1 alliance. I also believe that the big lie will happen in EP5 and have something to do with Jon and Shawn. 
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10-10-03, 11:12 AM (EST)
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82. "Hmmm. Another idea." |
I was pondering what would shock me the most about this season... and that would be if Jon were NOT the big a**hole he seems to be. From the beginning (even reading his bio, I told my sister he was "Survivor I'm most likely to loathe by the end of the first episode") he seemed like too much of a - ewww - kinda guy to be believed. Hugh Hefner as his idol?What if he really IS The Puppetmaster? What if this stupid, loud-mouthed, boorish, drunken behavior is all an act? Of course, I'm not sure what he would want to accomplish with it - he'd be too likely to be voted out if everyone bought it completely. But obviously something's working so far, for him to convince the others 5-2 to vote out Burton... Lizzmac
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10-10-03, 05:35 PM (EST)
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92. "Lillian" |
I still think it has to do with Lillian and the fishhook (Big Lie/ thread 2). Has anyone gone back and looked at the tape yet? I don’t have it. Could tie into the Big Lie and Regret.
And I don’t know what Jon was up to with his two finger declaration but I did notice they rivaled Arsenio Hall’s in length. But as someone (Draco Malfoy?) mentioned somewhere else, Jon’s little “gang sign” while he was going up to vote was a wrestler thing signifying “The Four Horsemen”, apparently a wrestling clique of four wrestlers (foreshadows his 4 person alliance? Or just a drunken ass?). I think the two fingers were in that vein as well, some inside wrestling thing.
And sorry, Mistofleas and brownroach, but what was with all those pelican shots last night? I kept thinking it was finally going to happen (I know, I know, it was in E1).
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10-10-03, 11:08 PM (EST)
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94. "RE: Lillian" |
I have been a "Four Horsemen" fan for a number of years. What Jon did was NOTHING like the Horsemen four finger gesture. Jon was just showing that he is an idiot.
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96. "RE: The Big Lie" |
My 2 cents on the big lie:I think it is Jon. I believe the reporter who originally reported it, got it right the first time. Besides, it fits well with Jon's personality. I think the lie itself will be something about Jon's personal life that he will tell the others. Perhaps some whopper about a personal tragedy in his life - he's an orphan, his brother has aids, his wife died in an accident, etc... just something to win him some sympathy or goodwill. I think it will be a personal history lie because Probst admits the lie fooled him for a while. I'm betting that he knows about every detail that happens on the island - so I don't think he'd be easily fooled. Also, it is a lie that is never revealed to the other contestants. Supposedly, they'll find out the same time as we will. I believe that this could be where the regret comes in. If the lie is truly despicable - then Jon is going to feel the heat. Everyone in TV-Land will hate his guts. Assuming Jon has some shame - he should regret that. Well that's my theory (today).
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10-17-03, 05:22 PM (EST)
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107. "RE: The Big Lie" |
What if
>the person responsible for the
>lie makes up a sob
>story in order to gain
>sympathy and possible votes? Then
>the person goes on to
>reveal in confessionals that its
>all a lie to gain
>votes. I could easily see
>Jeff freak out about this
>and no one would find
>out until the show aired...including
>the rest of the survivors. That could very well fit into the theory of the finale being different this year. Some people have theorized that the finale will be when the survivors on the jury actually vote...that the months that separate going home until the finale they have been "sequestered" by MB and told specifically not to have any contact with one another. I have heard that other survivors have mentioned this type of thing, but here is a cut from Michelle's CBS chat transcript:
(from survivorfever.net) http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/User_files/3f905cef31605fbf http://www.survivorfever.net/chat_michelle.html So if the survivor who tells the big lie makes F2 and then everybody gets to see the show BEFORE they vote, it sure would lead to a "million" regrets...
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10-17-03, 11:30 AM (EST)
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101. "RE: Lillian" |
misto I'll go pull their hair out with you Seems to me that Rupert leaving (outside your typical merge threat scenario) would be his being the receipient of the lie. J/S are obviously smarmy and apparently Trish is a very wiley player. And does stunning confession have anything to do with it or is this just your typical bull (I'm still waiting on photo finish and fury on the shower) Six members remain, J/S want Rupert gone. Trish is the real puppet master? And Rupert/Christa/Sandra make three. Although LOGICALLY (hrmph) I'm not sure of it but this lie is supposed to bring about A LOT of regret (if you are of the mind that they are interwined)
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10-17-03, 03:37 PM (EST)
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102. "Mole = Big Lie?" |
Ok, what if the big lie involves the rumored “Mole” in each tribe? (supposedly attributed to Lil and discussed in “See BS Misdirection Ep 6- Me and My Snake”)
Secretly a member of the other tribe or of the Ghost Tribe, they try and screw up things for their current “tribe”. This could be why Burton says it hasn’t happened yet. (discussed in “Burton on San Fran radio this a.m.”)
He may have been told about it by the mole themselves in LL. Or he might have figured it out while watching Osten (for sure) and probably Jon screw up challenges.
And if MB and co. didn’t tell Jeff (for whatever reason, primarily because they didn’t want Jeff to slip) about the existence of moles, he certainly would have made his now immortalized, albeit brief, statement.
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10-17-03, 04:55 PM (EST)
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106. "Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist :Next two episodes" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-17-03 AT 05:10 PM (EST)IMHO: I think the BL, BR, and BT will all happen in the next two episodes. Big Lie: Jeffy said the big lie is something one person told everybody else and they believed it. I think the preview about someone making a "stunning" confession while looting the other tribe is the big lie. Personally I'm still in the Jon tells the big lie camp. But Andrew is a close contender for the big lie because I think he knows his tribe sucks and is hoping to get in good with the members of the Drake tribe. (How can you have a strong alliance when your alliance partners can't win? Michelle knows all about this!) Did anyone catch Andrew's longing looks at the Drake camp as he left on the boat?
*Edited to add a thought I had while sitting at my computer staring blankly into space obsessively contemplating THE BIG DAMN LIE*
Maybe a member of the Moron tribe (possibly Darrah or Osten who were not impressed with Rupert) tells the BL to the Drakes about something Rupert said while he was at Moron camp. This could be the reason for Rupert's boot and nobody would know it was a lie until the episode aired. Big Regret: This I believe will come about with the booting of my Ruppie Doll. I think his tribe will betray him and he'll get the boot, his tribe anticipating a merger. When a merger doesn't happen as they "expect" it to, then they are going to regret it as they will consistently lose the comps. If Drake does boot my Ruppie Doll I am seriously going to go pirate all over their ass! Bashers here I come! Big Twist: I think the idea of a "ghost tribe" is a good one. I read on another post (I'm sorry I don't remember where ) that the early speculation was that the colors of the tribes were aqua, orange and black. The tribe names were Drake, Morgan and Balboa. (I think it was a Snewser spoiler) If Drake boots their care-taker and strongest player Rupert, thinking merger time then Jeffy springs it on them that not only will there not be a merger, but there is going to be an additional team to compete against. The Drakes will give a collective "What the..." I'm wondering though if there has been any talk of Rupert being part of the "ghost tribe"? So far Lil has been the favored pick on returning, but what about Rupert? This is the only glitch in my musings, if Rupert is booted, why has there been no talk of him returning? Joyful thinks that if Rupert goes to the LL it won't be the LL anymore. It will be the EALERL. (Everybody's a loser except Rupert lodge).
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10-18-03, 10:07 PM (EST)
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109. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist :Next two episodes" |
Because rupert is the bearded man who makes FF (not Andrew)
So it should be FF that is
Rupert
Osten
Darrah
Trish or Lil
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10-19-03, 10:16 PM (EST)
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111. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist :Next two episodes" |
Question Did I read somewhere Shawn has a twin ??? There were plans to have them appear on the same show,
but thought it would create an unfair advantage ??? If true, this could be a source of many lies, twists, and
regrets ??????
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*smooches* to Misto and BR for all their theories!
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