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"State of the Spoiling, Episode Three"
strid333 2928 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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"State of the Spoiling, Episode Three" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-30-03 AT 10:24 PM (EST) by SurvivorBlows (admin) Ladies and Gentlemen of the Survivor spoiling board, we have an interesting week and an interesting show coming up. That said, let’s start summarizing.
Reward Challenge winner http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4106.shtml This set of vidcaps appears to show the RC. And for once, Morgan may win something. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4098.shtml This set of vidcaps was discussed a lot. For both the RC and IC, it has been theorized that both tribes have won, though it seems that Morgan is starting a winning streak. It has been discussed that the challenge could be bumper boats and they have to get close to the other team’s boat to pull a plug so the boat fills with water. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4092.shtml In See BS Misdirection, there is talk that the Drakes are getting stronger while the Morgans are getting weaker. The distraction of a Jon vs. Sandra fight could lead to yet another set of Morgan losses. So, this would contradict some of the other discussions of RC and IC winners. I guess Lil would be the Morgan bootee but there hasn’t been much discussion about another Morgan loss other than here. Immunity Challenge winner http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4091.shtml First set of vidcaps. Though there is some speculation about other stuff (Reward Challenge winner), quite a bit of speculation about the IC and the bootee. It looks like Morgan finally wins an IC, and we are fearing for Rupert or Sandra or Jon. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4108.shtml Another set of vidcaps shows at least one of the challenges (though it looks like both the RC and IC). It could just as easily be the tribes arriving to a challenge, though. Bootee http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4080.shtml Episode title is ”United We Stand Divided We . . .” It appears that Drake loses for the first time. And because the third bootee is supposedly a male, it could be bad news for Rupert or Jon. But it appears the bad news is leaning heavily for Rupert. (D’oh because I liked him.) http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4110.shtml Returning to the Outfrontgirl theory of a person who appears in the promo will be booted out, it appears to be bad news again for Rupert. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4100.shtml The whole caption appears to be about a big fight between Sandra and Jon. This could lead to the booting of one of the two. There is also other information. It appears that one of the challenges has someone being held up by the rest of the tribe. These captions appear to favour Morgan winning (for once). http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4107.shtml Krautboy has done an excellent summary of who has had key confessionals. The theory is that people who have lots of confessionals early on, get the boot early on so people who don’t have confessionals get to have them later on when they remain. The conclusion is not good news for Rupert and Jon. Miscellaneous http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/3976.shtml#15 In the info about Shawn Cohen, the update added during my week asks if he was one of the true people who auditioned or if he is one of those who were found on the street by MB or some other CBS rep. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/3985.shtml In the info about Burton Roberts, the same theory about Shawn Cohen is mentioned again. Was Burton picked by a CBS rep? But then the lie theory surfaces with Burton Roberts actually being John Burton from Eco-Challenge. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/3988.shtml#14 For Osten Taylor, LadyT was at a party with his former boss. His boss commented that Osten is one who gives up (in the workforce) but then finds some inner strength and keeps going. This may be mirroring his stay on Survivor. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4109.shtml With RC challenges, the winning tribe gets to pick something from the other tribe. Could it be another contestant? Certainly would be interesting if it could be true, though I don’t think it would be true. I think they were limited to objects. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4111.shtml Some speculation about how if a tribe votes a strong person out of the tribe before the merger, there is a good chance that the winner of Survivor came from that tribe. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4093.shtml Not much spoiling here, but Markopolo’s Yahoo Insider is always an interesting read for those of us too cheap to spend money on it. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4102.shtml Though this may become a long term spoiler, I think it will fall into miscellaneous. Tina (S2 winner) mentioned to watch for small details like body language, facial expressions and interactions like hugging and not to pay as much attention to what is being said to figure out who is comfortable with each other. That could lead to friendships and alliances (that will more likely last). That said, Krautboy did an excellent summary of the tribe members and their interactions. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4052.shtml Again, Krautboy has thrown some excellent analysis into the picture. In the past, people that have appeared to be teetering on the chopping block have made it very far in the game. This season’s underdog appears to be Lil, the Boy Scout leader. Only time will tell if this analysis is correct. Long Term Spoilers http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4094.shtml Ryan S on Early Show has some speculation about Andrew leaving early. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4101.shtml Ryan’s CBS web chat confirms that Osten will probably not make it very far in the game. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4089.shtml Yahoo TV listing spoiler (if it happens) only lists a few of the names of the contestants so possibly the names not listed mean early bootees. We will have to keep an eye on this as the weeks roll on. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4099.shtml Morgan is a poor team (as they exist right now), but supposedly some of their members are last a very long time. Some of the discussion here is how they might last a while. It just may be that Drake loses their fizzle and self-destruct. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4096.shtml Jiffy said in numerous interviews that this show has the biggest lie ever. Well, who lies and what is it about? The theory here is that Osten faking wanting to go home and so people won’t think he is a huge physical threat. There are some other theories floating around here about Osten but it seems that Osten is the liar. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4086.shtml This page is a continuation of the Big Lie / Big Twist. It was a newly formed page when the previous one was getting confusing. It didn’t take long for this one to get confusing too. It is an interesting read but almost too much for me to handle. I suggest reading it yourself. Some theories thrown out are people losing money while one person gets it all, the sleeping with someone and then regretting it, Sandra regretting taking the tarp, and Burton Roberts may have been John Burton from Eco-Challenge. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4049.shtml This week’s conversation about Trish’s picture that looks like it is from a future episode. She has red lipstick so she could possibly be booted and then return. But it could also be that they find the treasure. It is pre-merge because she is wearing a blue buff. But the picture could’ve been from the first episode when they jumped off the ship. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4103.shtml Next week’s (E4) title is “Pick a Castaway ... Any Castaway” which could mean one of those tribe shuffles or swaps. But it could also mean that in the RC, the winner takes a member of the other team. Well, ladies and gentlemen of the spoiling board, this concludes the E3 SOTS. I had fun reading all the topics and writing this summary. I hope that this summary is helpful.
Three is the perfect number. SOTS is provided by SurvivorBlows.com as a service to our readers. The purpose of this post is to consolidate the threads in the Spoiler Forum pertaining to this week's episode. Feel free to reply to this post if you feel that a theory you support was not adequately represented in this message... Please use this thread for unified discussion of all topics as we approach the next episode.
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strid333 |
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SurvivorBlows |
10-01-03 |
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Add Lil to the list |
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wastingtime |
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Interesting |
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I say they both go |
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Thanks for doing all this work and getting everything organized. The State of Spoiling is always so well done by everyone that it almost makes me think I've got things straight. Great job!
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10-01-03, 00:13 AM (EST)
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Not sure where to put this, but Snewser has a checkmark next to Episdode 3 that he has it right.He only has Ryan O, Rupert and Jon in his potential bootee section, with Jon on the top....
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SNEWSER>Not sure where to put this, but Snewser has a checkmark next to Episdode 3 that he has it right. >He only has Ryan O, Rupert and Jon in his potential bootee section, with Jon on the top.... This certainly means that Snewser knows. However, even if he knows and does not update his scorecard, we still need to add Lil (and maybe Trish) to the list of boot candidates. Snewser has mentioned that an early boot (an older woman) returns to the game and ends up in the final 2. THIRD BOOT MALE? VerucaSalt has pointed out elsewhere that the third boot does not have to be male as we initially thought (language/translation issue). IF MORGAN GOES TO TC Parsimony: if Morgan goes to TC, clearly Lil is the obvious boot. All of CBS's misdirection may exactly be that: misdirection. YET THIS EP3 TITLE Problem/question: is the ep3 title "United we stand, divided we ...." misdirection as well or does it mean Drake fills in the four dots with "v o t e" ? We know almost nothing about the IC. Maybe Drake gets disqualified somehow? How else could Morgan win the IC? SUMMARY If it weren't for the ep3 title, Lil would be the logical candidate. If somehow Drake goes to TC good points have been made for and against Rupert, Jon, and Sandra (she is safe though see Snewser's chirp). SB and AyaK have pointed out it's too soon for Rupert. There also does not seem to be enough time in ep3 for us to start rooting for Jon, especially after blowing up against Sandra. Maybe given that it's hard to figure out who would go on Drake, it could be as simple as Lil gets booted to return later. forehead
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forehead 932 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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10-01-03, 02:18 PM (EST)
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I think that's just for the episodes for which there is a title available.
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Ajenda 12 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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10-01-03, 02:15 AM (EST)
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Hey this is my first post so be nice please I've been reading a few different threads about the BL and came to the realization that it might involve Jon, but in a different way than has been expressed so far. What if somebody lied *ABOUT* Jon to get him booted because they thought that they were targeted for some reason (ie. someone else loses the spear and creates a lie about Jon). As a stretch, he could even be the one returning (even though some of the spoilers don't point to that) which could bring about regret. Plus if he was booted unfairly, it may cause us to view him 'in a different light', as Jiffy seemed to be able to do. Just another perspective.
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wastingtime 1 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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10-01-03, 09:07 AM (EST)
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Don't forget that MB edited out Trish's unsuccessful swim at Ep. 2 RC. After Burton is shown going into the water a second time, there is a shot of the Drake tribe-Christa (who has miraculously recovered), Michelle, Jon, Shawn, Rupert and . . . what appears to be a wet Trish walking in the background, head down. There's a cut back to Burton, and then Ryan O is shown running toward his tribe, with the Drake tribe in the background. Who's shown? Jon, Shawn, Burton (oops--he should be in the water), Rupert, Michelle and Christa, in the background. So where's Trish? Also note Jon has his hands on his head, apparently concerned over what's occurring.
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10-01-03, 02:37 PM (EST)
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Really? I will watch the tape again tonight. This would have implications on how Trish is perceived by her tribemates, and also the Morgan person who went in after Rhino would have been frolicking around in the water a lot longer than was shown, too.
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frisky 11695 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-01-03, 11:39 PM (EST)
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I just watched and re-watched the tape of the RC and you are absolutely right, wastingtime! Good catch!How weird to see Burton on the beach watching himself in the water! When Christa comes ashore, Burton is clearly helping Trish prepare for her jaunt, putting one hand on Trish's back while reaching for the goggles with the other. When Burton (really Trish) is in the water, he is also standing on the beach watching Rhino come out of the water. Lil then dives in. When she comes back, after all Drakes are underwater retrieving the treasure chest, Android jumps in. He comes out of the water at the same time as the Drakes drag the chest to the beach. Two things can be surmised here: 1. Trish definitely blew the challenge, and even though Drake won, you can bet her tribemates have stored that event in memory in case a TC should come up. It made their decision easier. This hidden little tidbit will definitely affect the tribe's opinion of Trish. 2. Lil DID NOT ace this challenge as the episode would have you believe. She went into the water when Trish was out there screwing up, she was out there the whole time it took for Trish to come back ashore and for Burton to go out, get the last item, and come back, and for all Drakes to head back out to sea to start dragging the chest back. Only then did Lil finally rise out of the water. Actually, there's a third thing: MB is EVIL!!
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-01-03, 10:16 AM (EST)
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Good work, strid!Damn, this week is confusing. We have nothing conclusive on who wins IC, so half the people in the game seem like potential targets, LOL. If Drake loses IC we have Jon, Rupert, Sandra and Shawn to choose from. If Morgan loses IC, Lill, Osten and Ryan O. could all be contenders. Must review the situation some more before voting...
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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I am waffling about this week. But I do remember Nicole mentioned that her opinion of Rupert changed when she heard him talk. It sounded like she got to know him. But she didn't mention any other Drake members. So I am leaning towards Rupert at this time. Give Rupert time to meet Nicole at loser island.
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DoodleBug 5133 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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29. "Great Job!" |
What a tough, tough week!! Strid, you did a great job pulling all of this together.I can't decide.... I think Morgan WILL win something, but it's hard to know what. I'm leaning toward the RC. I think Morgan will go back to TC again. My hubby doesn't pay any attention to spoilers, so I ask him for his prospective. He thinks Jon is getting booted. So that makes me think Jon is safe. So then who? Will we have mutiny and Andrew gets the ol' heave ho? Will our odd-man-out-underdog Lillian get her torch snuffed? I need to do some more reading
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