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"Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..."
mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings
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"Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
LAST EDITED ON 09-25-03 AT 06:53 PM (EST)The other thread was getting too big and hard to follow so I'm starting a new one in anticipation of more information coming out in tonights episode. Here's the link to the first threads discussion. And here all are the JP / MB quotes that were over in that discussion: ****************** Jeff also said that THE BIGGEST LIE EVER is told this season. He didn't elaborate, but he went on to say that he and Mark Burnett are waiting for someone to apply to the show and basically say that they have an advanced degree in psychology, have written 3 books, but they are totally going to play the game like a postman from Montana (or something like that). Jiffy said they were waiting for someone to come in and totally lie their way through the game, but that they haven't seen anyone like that yet. ----------------------------------------------- JP said the "greatest lie ever told" was on this season he also said there was "some regret." But emphasized regret. Elliot asked about the Ghandia-Ted incident and JP said this "regret" tops even that because with the Ghandia-Ted thing, you could at least play it off as happening in your sleep. ------------------------------------------------ For a time, he says he fell for "the greatest lie ever told on 'Survivor.' "It's brilliant. It's brutal and it's brilliant and it totally suckered me," says Probst, who, naturally, won't divulge who told the lie or what its ramifications were. "My first reaction was 'Motherf----r,' and then my second reaction was 'Wow, that's amazing.' "
*note: there were a couple of versions of this quote; this one is the most complete. ------------------------------------------------ Probst on The Big Lie: "Well, I'm in danger of becoming Mark in over-hyping the lie, but I'm out there actually believing this thing, and when I find out that its really a lie, it surprises me! Is it like Ted and Ghandia? Not really . . . its a flat-out absolute lie that one person tells everybody else, and they believe it. In fact, I'm sure that they still don't know its a lie and won't find out until they watch the show along with the audience." "We've been waiting for something like this to come along since we started this thing. We don't tell the Survivors anything about having to tell the truth about their occupations or anything else for that matter. (Pauses) You know, I've always said that if I did one of these things, I would come up with some off-the wall profession and tell everybody that my mother is deathly ill and my father is about to die." ------------------------------------------------ Probst says Dalton, an art consultant from Virginia, takes the prize for "squirreliest" contestant ever. He's responsible for "the greatest lie ever told on Survivor," says Probst, who's heard a few whoppers. *note: the reporter has retracted his statement here that Probst said it was Jon who told the lie. It leads to the "biggest regret" and "the most dramatic, impactful twist yet," he says. ------------------------------------------------ A "very, very regrettable event happens," Probst says. "And I think the person to whom it happens is going to regret it, and I think they're going to regret it more than they have any idea (they will) right now. I couldn't believe it when it happened, and I can't wait for it to play out." 
--anal retentive Virgo to the core
edited to add the quotes that BR brought over
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Acawap 184 desperate attention whore postings
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09-25-03, 05:02 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
does anybody else think it's possible that maybe the lie has to do with all those people betting on one person (Darrah?) and shutting down the betting completely? Maybe somebody let it "slip" who won, knowing that they in fact didn't win --- driving up the odds on the real winner, so they could place that lone bet on him/her??It's brutal -- causing people to lose a lot of money.
It's brilliant -- because now somebody is going to make lots of $$$
It could cause the 'big regret' -- when the person realizes he made a lot of people lose their money in order to make his own
Plus, it's bigger than the granola bar or beef jerky lies, which some of the other theories aren't. But what keeps getting me is JP saying he "can't wait to see how it plays out"... like the story hadn't been completely played out yet. To me that means they haven't actually voted yet (maybe the twist is nobody votes until the final reunion show or something)... OR that whatever happened is ongoing. Just a thought...
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drawde236 317 desperate attention whore postings
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09-26-03, 03:03 AM (EST)
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11. "Could the lie be in the Bio?" |
KB,Could the Big Lie be about the person and not the gameplay? Could Jon have lied his way into this game. I cannot get past the fact that Jon went from wrestling to Senior Art consultant for the online division of a gallery in less than 7 years. I thought I could find some link between the gallery and Jon in a google search, but the only hits were bio related. Perhaps this is a misconception, but the words "squirrely" and "art consultant" aren't used to describe the same person very often. Here is where I am reaching a snag. Virginia Tech's webpage is a Java based program and I am on webtv, which happened to be decaffienated. Can anyone help me out with this to see if Jon is simply full of it? 
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09-25-03, 06:48 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
Thanks MOF for starting this thread and BR, great summation of quotes, just wanted to add one more quote, that I took off of a taping I made of JP on REGIS and KELLY.
I believe this was the first convo where JP admitted that the lie was from a Survivor contestant.
Thanks to Kelly being a huge fan of the show, when JP was hyping this 'HUGE LIE' she asked quickly, if it was from a Survivor or from JP/MB. It again associates the lie with a regret, but it still doesnt absolutely give the direct correlation that the lie leads to the regret, but I think it is implied.JEFF: "there are alot of things that play out. There is one of the greatest lies ever. It is a fantastic horrible lie." Kelly: "from a contestant or from you?" Jeff: " FROM A CONTESTANT..ya. And there is a HUGE regret, that somebody does that is impactful (difficult to hear last bit)." Also, the description of FANTASTIC AND HORRIBLE..
I also remember reading on another site that the lie would start tonight in EP 2. Did anyone else read this somewhere? I will definitely be watching and listening for something FANTASTIC and HORRIBLE from someone.
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09-26-03, 09:36 AM (EST)
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I really have to think the lie has nothing to do with bios b/c the following quote would seem to indicate to me the lie is told within the game. Jeff says when he "hears it", his reaction is "mother....er". I didn't see anything in E2 that was brutal, brilliant, or, paraphrasing Jeff, "fantastically horrible." I think we have yet to see the lie.
"Thanks MOF for starting this thread and BR, great summation of
>quotes, just wanted to add one more quote, that I took off of a taping I made of JP on REGIS and KELLY. I believe this was the first convo where JP admitted that the lie was from a Survivor contestant. Thanks to Kelly being a huge fan of the show, when
>JP was hyping this 'HUGE LIE' she asked quickly, if it was from a Survivor or from JP/MB. It again associates the lie with a
>regret, but it still doesnt absolutely give the direct correlation that the lie leads to the regret, but I think it is implied.
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>JEFF: "there are alot of things that play out. There is one of the greatest lies ever. It is a fantastic horrible lie."
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>Kelly: "from a contestant or from you?"
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>Jeff: " FROM A CONTESTANT..ya. And there is a HUGE regret,
>that somebody does that is impactful (difficult to hear last
>bit)."
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>Also, the description of FANTASTIC AND HORRIBLE..
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>I also remember reading on another site that the lie would
>start tonight in EP 2. Did anyone else read this somewhere? I will definitely be watching and listening for something
>FANTASTIC and HORRIBLE from someone."
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09-26-03, 02:04 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
With all the emphasis that Jeffy has put on the lie potentially involving someone's occupation/position in life, I'm wondering if, indeed, this season involves someone who lies about who they are, then wouldn't CBS have to be complicit in that lie, at least for purposes of the profiles of the survivors, or the audience would be aware that the person was lying? I.e. if their profile said "teacher" but on the show they say they are a plumber, we'd all know from the get go who the liar was from the moment they spoke. So, my question is, would we put it past CBS and EPM to tailor the person's official profile to mirror what they say on the show?If this is the case, then whose story would be most shocking, if, in fact, it was false? I think Lil, the Scout Master, as one of the primary tenants of the BSA is honesty. That, or Rupert, who has presented himself as a mentor for troubled teens. Things that make you go, hmmmm . . .
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Yogi 1206 desperate attention whore postings
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09-26-03, 02:36 AM (EST)
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10. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
I wonder if the 'big lie' is Burton not informing the other tribe members
about his experience with Eco-Challenge and all of his other adventures.
With that sort of bio you would expect a 'Hunter-like' booting from the
other players.(link pirated from Sucks)
http://www.ecochallenge.com/fiji/teams/70.html I apologize if this info has already been discussed. - Yogi 
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09-27-03, 10:07 AM (EST)
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36. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
It is possible that the lie is something on the application ... ie .... one of the contestants has an alter ego as a reporter/media person and is not who they have represented themselves to be. When revealed they are disqualified and hence the last one voted off prior to the revelation is returned.
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09-26-03, 11:15 AM (EST)
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This is blatently stolen from Brownroach's post in the "Contestant Jon Dalton" thread. I thought it might inspire a little more discussion here. I believe the original poster was "Hoos First" (BR- Please correct me if I'm wrong....)and this info was first posted on 9/19/03. " I've known this guy (referring to Jon) for many years. I used to party with him here in Danville, and at his school Va Tech.
He used to do this thing called John's Fables, where he would make up the stupidest stories and actually have people believe him" I'm still thinking that Jon is our Big Liar.......
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kykate 45 desperate attention whore postings
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09-26-03, 11:50 AM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 09-26-03 AT 11:51 AM (EST)Found this on survivorsucks. Something to think about? From gibby: "Began tonight. It's Osten faking like he wants to go home. Can't you people see it. It's as plain as the pecs on his chest. He wants everyone to overlook him. He knows they have to keep him if they want to win." From orangeena: "No, but this is the Big Lie. And it IS brilliant. I totally fell for it, until you just pointed it out. Osten is making them keep him. Of course, Matt was playing crazy, and they all didn't consider it AN ACT, so that they'd dismiss him, and now Osten is doing it. There is no other possible lie that occured tonight, because NOTHING occured. Boring, predictable boot episode. After the thrilling opener of last week, I'm very disappointed. This could be called "Survivor as usual." But that is the Big Lie. It's Osten's."
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09-26-03, 11:50 AM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 09-26-03 AT 11:54 AM (EST)Tx for starting a new thread misto. Regardless of the retraction, I still think Jon is the liar. Johnnie Fairplay definitely. The quote by Jeff about just when you want him to fall on his face and then he does you are pulling for him etc. This sounds like to me that Jeff was explaining his feelings for Jon prior to knowing he lied and I guess in a way it reinforces to me that Jon could be the liar. That comment and this reaction from the lie seem contradictory (yes I know Jon may not be the liar, so sue me for not thinking outside the box)  But the contradiction makes sense. You know the scenario, you can't stand someone, then you find out something about them/their life or what have you where they then appear to be vulnerable and you feel bad. You then find out later it was bull, and you feel like a shmuck for believing them. Does this lie cause Jon to stay longer? Not necessarily; we don't know anything other than a regrettable event ensues MAYBE from it. Jon could still end up leaving or someone else but it is a flat out lie and told to EVERYONE else as opposed to a hey come here, so and so...... that was constructed where the liar wouldn't get caught until the show aired and Jeffy got to see the dallies and it caused a reaction when known. Does it even only affect one person or does it literally affect the whole tribe en masse like lying about something they did as opposed to lying about someone.
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09-26-03, 08:08 PM (EST)
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34. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
I think your headed in the right direction with Jon.Considering JP's comment about when you want to see Jon fall on his face and then when he does, you start pulling for him sounds to me like a great place to look for "the big lie". Of all the folks on his team, I would think he would have the biggest bullseye on his back right now. Once his team has a loss an immunity challenge, I could very well see him telling some fantastic horrible lie about how his father abandonded him and he was raised by a cruel step father... Playing for sympathy and getting Rupert, the mentor of troubled teens (who already commented on Jon being like his "kids") to fall for it hook line and sinker. We've seen before how this game can change some people. If Jon made a play for sympathy and it worked (getting say Shawn voted out), we might see Jon come to really regret having lied to people especially if he and Rupert go on to develope a genuine psuedo father/son relationship. Then again, I could imagine several other players telling big lies resulting in big regret... So, this may well be the ramblings of an over active imagination.
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09-26-03, 11:56 AM (EST)
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17. "The Liar = Osten" |
Let it be told that the great lie was 1st uncovered here! Knowing Jiffy and Mark everything is over hyped. I believe that Osten is afraid that he will get voted out eventually due to his strength, so he is playing up that he is done and wants out. This may go on for a few weeks and then he will roll off many consecutive immunity victories.
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09-26-03, 12:01 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: The Liar = Osten" |
Then again, this would be a "fantastic" lie, but "brutal" and "horrible". I don't think so.
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09-26-03, 08:12 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: The Liar = Osten" |
That might be where the regret comes into play - He is lying about wanting to quit and makes it to the final 2, but no one will vote for him due to his previous attitude(wanting to quit) - Regret. Didn't Jeff say that lie only comes out when you watch it, not during the game?
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10-01-03, 09:10 PM (EST)
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80. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
Here's what I think. The amazing, big liar is Jon. In Episode 3, Drake HAS to lose the immunity challenge. Look at whatever the challenge is to see how they can rig it. The "partially worked puzzle" challenge(deliberately made easier for Morgan to finish than Drake) is my guess. This was done in an earlier survivor. One puzzle was solid black slate with words and the other was also black with words, but had grey streaks or something that made it easier to solve.
Anyway, as Drake sees they may have to vote someone off, then Jon comes up with the "big lie" about how his wife or child or mother or twin is dying from cancer and he needs the $1,000,000 for treatment. The others on Drake don't vote him off that week. This would explain why it will unfold when people see the episodes, the others never did find out he lied. Someone previously posted: "I've known this guy (referring to Jon) for many years. I used to party with him here in Danville, and at his school Va Tech. He used to do this thing called Jon's Fables, where he would make up the stupidest stories and actually have people believe him"
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09-26-03, 03:41 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
I don't think we saw any kind of lie yet. First of all the whole consensus about Ep. 2 was based on talk about the lie and then menmtion about Ep. 2 Jeff says he pretty much described the first episode but emphasized that Episode 2 is great. . Right after he mentioned that Episode 2 is great, Jeff gets into the bit about the "big lie". Jeff said that he fell for the lie. He also said that he doesn't think the other Survivors know it was a lie and they will find out when they watch the show. So FWIW, we don't know that anything happened in Ep. 2 to constitute the LIE. Ep. 2 could have been mentioned b/c he got done talking about Ep. 1; he isn't going to talk about Ep. 4
Also from the prior thread on this:
For the sake of the calendar spoilers, this morning on the Emmy Award Announcements Post Show on E!, Jeff Probst announced that today was day 25 (their time) of shooting. He said they had about 20 days left there. He also said two noteworthy 'events' have happened that have never happened on Survivor before. So therefore, we know the lie happens in that time frame. That is a pretty big time frame; it could happen pre or post merge.
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09-26-03, 05:49 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
If you count the "naked challenge" as one event that had never happened before, the other could be as simple as playing with 'just the clothes on your back" Then both of the items have already happened.
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09-26-03, 04:56 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
Osten may well be lying, but it's not THE lie. JP said Jon was somehow responsible for the lie, even though he retracted saying Jon was the one who actually lied. Jon had NOTHING to do with Osten playing like he wanted to go home... unless they had some secret meeting before the show started, which would just be stupid. Besides, there's nothing 'brutal' about it, and it wouldn't really be the biggest lie ever, would it?Personally, I think Osten is just a big p*ssy who's never been outside the city. He'll adjust. And the big regret won't be taking the tarp. She might regret it, but that would hardly be worth mentioning as 'THE BIG REGRET' -- it'll have to be something way more significant. It's probably something blown out of proportion like 'Rupert killed a pelican, and gets kicked out because of it.' Although it'd be way cooler if it was a sexual thing. I hope it's not, though, because I want to be the first person to have sex on Survivor!!!
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09-26-03, 07:06 PM (EST)
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actually, much like real life, I'll probably get booted immediately after sex.
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37. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
Here’s my 2 gold dubloons worth on what the Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist could be with the confirming quote from JP. I can’t recall each contestant’s specific backgrounds at this time, so maybe I’ll edit this post later on (those in the know should feel free to give your own suggestions on who I may be alluding to):1. “There is one of the greatest lies ever. It is a fantastic, horrible lie … I couldn't believe it when it happened, and I can't wait for it to play out." One of the contestants is actually an adventurous nun/priest or a very religious person who prefers to keep about his/her real career identity discreet, hoping to win some monetary booty for a good, charitable cause. The undercover plan backfires when - to his/her embarrassment – his/her group had no choice but be forced to be skimpily clad or even go totally naked due to the lack of change of clothes (refer to the “surprising twist” that the evil MB concocted at the beginning of E-1) . When he/she finally comes back to the real world, the conservative people in his/her circle frown upon his/her participation in the game which leads to his "biggest regret"(e.g. possible loss of respect?); 2. Mockingbird: “My mother said that she may have taught Lillian's kids piano lessons years ago and that currently one of her piano students is also a scout in Lillian's troop. He told her that Lillian apparently broke her foot during the show.” a. Lillian is actually a transsexual (read: originally a MAN) ! Too much hype about her wearing a Boy (in lieu of “Girl”?) Scout uniform may have been the foreshadowing clue courtesy of CBS. What if Lillian’s kids were actually adopted? Perhaps she? he? goes on to win the game in the reunion episode and decides to ‘come out’ to the utter shock of her fellow contestants as well as JP/MB whom she/he had all fooled. The revelation itself seems “fantastic”, but to her “regret”, her kids - who likewise never suspected anything - were downright “horrified” when they DO find out. Hmm, I wonder if PepeLePew can now get ANY sleep at all – what with this new nightmare of I-wonder-WHAT-really-were-in-those-huge-panties-of-hers, after all? (Que horror!) b. Another theory could have been about the lie of the broken foot. What if Lillian played around the rules and faked the whole broken-ankle thing, knowing full well that she’s still in the game if one’s torch isn’t deliberately snuffed out as a result of the TC and as long as she doesn’t miss an IC. She then had three days in which to relax and recuperate away from the stress and strain of spending another moment with her fellow tribe members. And that she can later declare that she’s fine – just in the nick of time. What if she actually advances on to win the million bucks which is of course “fantastic”, but “regrets” the “big lie” that she has made. Then with a nagging conscience she confesses to MB her guilt and decides to RETURN the prize money because she felt that she didn’t deserve it. Now THAT’s a “horrific” twist if I ever saw one! That is, unless her actions automatically disqualifies her from the game (whichever comes first?).  3. Well it’s either that, or perhaps Rupert IS in fact the Bearded Lady that went missing for a while from your local neighborhood Carny … No wonder he prefers to wear skirts! 4. But then again it could be that Rupert is actually a direct descendant of the notorious Blackbeard The Pirate (I’m sure everyone has noticed the resemblance!) on a mission to ‘claim’ back (win?) the ultimate pirate booty. But that before he accepts the million buckaroos, he turns to all and reveals the “biggest lie” ever experienced on the show (yeh right … like no one ever lied bigtime in Survivor?). Apparently he is the REAL Blackbeard, and with a yo ho ho and a bottle of rum proclaims that the curse has finally been lifted. He then disappears in a puff of smoke and no one heard from him ever since (ok, ok, I must be having a nightmare right a bout now) ... 5. CBS: “Two Survivors decide not to join their tribe (Drake) on a search for buried treasure, raising suspicions about what they are doing with their alone time”. As 02dawg suggested, Crista and Jon were most probably the ones who regularly stayed behind: a. Blistering barnacles! Survivor contestants actually (finally!) having SEX with each other? Could this be the “big lie” that allegedly “starts in Episode 2”? The one that Jiffy considered FANTASTIC (read: that 2 smelly, unwashed individuals could actually become attracted AND be intimate with each other then!)? “My first reaction was 'Motherf----r,'” says JP. “My second reaction was ‘Wow, that’s amazing’.” Amazing because someone actually revealed in the Reunion Show that she actually became pregnant (telltale sign: morning sickness?) during the taping of the show? 
Could he be alluding to Osten and Tijuana? Naah, bringing up the Ghandia-Ted scenario to me seems way too blatant. Or perhaps they are actually long lost, real life brother and sister?!! And that the producers, cast and crew never suspected anything? Thinking of incest compounded by the possibility of an unwanted pregnancy here … (a far-fetched idea that is most unlikely, but nevertheless a possibility). b. “Jon takes the prize for being ‘squirreliest’ contestant ever”. It seems that Jon may have been a regular pack-rat (read: a squirrel who loves to store away nuts for a rainy day)who: Actually bartered/bought more useful items (such as food?) from the villagers in E-1 than he led us all to believe - and then buried the said items for retrieval at his own convenience. Either that, or - like the rodent that he really is - discreetly nicked on his tribe’s food on a gradual basis and likewise hid it for later consumption until a suspicious tribe member (Crista?) eventually found out and wasted no time in telling the others. How about if the great manipulator Jon hid critical items under the jurisdiction of certain tribe members that he wanted to be placed on the hotseat, accused of negligence, and finally considered to ‘walk-the-plank’ at TC. Aforementioned item is actually my best bet for the so-called “greatest … fantastic … horrible lies ever” where there is “a HUGE regret that somebody does that is impactful (?)”. Meaning: Jon’s little secret carried on until the merge … and probably even reached the finals. And why wasn’t he immediately voted out? That’s because as the resident ‘bad guy’ everyone would have wanted to be pitted against him in the final TC to increase one’s chances of winning the ultimate pirate booty – the 1 million US dinero, of course! But perhaps Jon (while still keeping in line with the pirate theme), wanders off alone and actually finds a long-neglected cache of centuries-old pirate booty! And that without telling anyone, discreetly planned to bring home to the US as much as he could take but was apprehended at the local airport – nearly creating an international incident on which country should get custody of such national treasure. Haven’t heard anything? Perhaps the problem is being sorted out behind-the-scenes in order to avoid a ‘horrendous’ scandal (I know, I know … pure speculation here!). 6. And last but not least: one of the contestants was actually - gaasp! - CANADIAN !!! (The shock! The horror! The humanity!) LOL  I’m currently bedridden with a fever with a lot of time to kill so do forgive if I seem to have an overactive imagination and ramble on incoherently with the first idea that comes to mind. But to conclude, it just goes to show that with this “Big Lie/Regret/Twist” – ANYTHING at this point is still a possibility. Now I REALLY can’t wait to see the final episode !!! (you can tell that I’m not much of a Jon fan, can you?) PS: I Luuv Canada
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38. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
Have you ever thought of approaching CBS for a job writing soaps? Very imaginative!
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88. "RE: Work for CBS ..." |
Well I'm Canadian... and I certainly know talent when I see it and you my friend, have it!
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44. "My Thoughts on the BL" |
I have been reading ideas and have been lurking on this issue for some time now. I would like to respond and give another idea of the BL!Maybe the BL did start playing out in the second episode. We saw almost one whole segment on the fishing spear incident. However, we never saw Shawn lose the spear and we never really saw him looking for it. He just appeared on the beach without it. Also, we saw Rupert get very upset about it. They also talked about how eating the fish was their lifeline. Also, last week we were given a CBS preview for the second episode that was something like, "a person loses an item that is crucial to the existence of their tribe" and then AGAIN this week we are given, "One Survivor loses an item that is crucial to the tribe's survival, inciting the tribe's fury." (that was copied from the CBS Web site preview for episode 3)! So, maybe the BL started last week with the spear incident. Maybe, Jon or Shawn eigher one decide they are going to "lose" the spear. They hide it and try to blame it on Rupert. Then, before they know it...they are booted and the tribe truly has "lost" the spear! However, the cameras catch the person hiding the spear and Jiffy P. and MB don't know it until they start editing the tape. IDEAS? GO VOLS!
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55. "RE: My Thoughts on the BL" |
That's perfect! That may very well be exactly what happens. Would'nt it be ironic for someone to hide the spear, blame it on someone else and then get voted off before they have a chance to let the tribe know where it is. This truly would be a "regrettable" incicent.
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77. "RE: My Thoughts on the BL" |
I just rewatched the tape of last episode and couldn't help but think that Shawn actually looked and sounded disappointed that Rupert found the spear tip - almost like he didn't "hide" it well enough. He wouldn't come right out and tell Rupert where he was fishing and let Rupert search the entire inlet. I wouldn't be surprised if the spear tip (or even the whole spear) ends up missing next episode by Shawn's hands.
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47. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
My .02...I think all of these things are separate events. The 2 significant events:
1. the Nude Challenge
2. ??? (probably sex -- w/BB4 it's the year for it) The Big Lie:
????? (nobody knows yet) The Big Twist:
The rumored return of a booted player The Big Regret:
?????? (nobody knows yet) Theories abound, but I think we need to let things play out a bit more before we lock ourselves in to some of the more 'exotic' possibilities that are coming up. We're working awfully hard to link all of these things together, and I don't think we have enough information yet. You know the simplest explanation is usually the right one.
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48. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
LAST EDITED ON 09-29-03 AT 03:56 PM (EST)Ok,,,, It's been years since I've posted, first season I think,,, anyhow, I just couldn't let this one go by. In this thread (lost in the massive amount of speculation) is this >I wonder if the 'big lie' is Burton not informing the other >tribe members about his experience with Eco-Challenge
>(link pirated from Sucks)
>http://www.ecochallenge.com/fiji/teams/70.html Well I took a look at the link and The BIG LIE is staring us right in the face ( pelt me with rocks if this has already been dealt with and dismissed) These two guys are the same guy. But they have different names. 
Now I would imagine that Survivor contestants can't be former Eco challange contestants, it would give them a giant advantage against the everyday folks. So it seems simple ,,, the BIG LIE is that Burton Roberts is really John Burton ,,, Sure would lead little ol jeffy to say "Mother*#cker" And would certainly cause an ejection and the return of a cast away castaway,,,,,, thoughts? (edited - changed Andrews to Roberts,,, not sure where I saw Andrews,,, my mistake BUT the theory still holds,,,,)
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49. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
LAST EDITED ON 09-29-03 AT 03:54 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 09-29-03 AT 03:51 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 09-29-03 AT 03:49 PM (EST) It very well could be the same guy..... 
(above photo from the Ep.3 vidcaps) Edited to say information in his bios match as well.
His name is Burton ROBERTS, not Burton Andrews. (Who is he anyway?)
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51. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
Hmmmmm,Two thoughts. I can't believe that Mark Burnett wouldn't figure out that he cast the same guy in two of his games, two years in a row (not ten years ago). So if it's the same guy, they knew. Also, if the Eco challenge had been more than a year ago, I might think yeah, that's the same guy.....but Survivor Burton looks much older, taller & bigger than Eco Burton. Go to the link & look at the pic of John Burton with his teammates -- he looks pretty short.
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52. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
LAST EDITED ON 09-29-03 AT 04:10 PM (EST)From Eco-Challenge Figi http://www.ecochallenge.com/fiji/teams/70bio.html Competitor:
John Burton
Age: 30
Residence: San Francisco, CA
Profession: Consultant
Accomplishments: Expedition Races:
Other: 2002 Cal Eco Kernville, 2002 Hi Tec Sacramento, 2002 North Bay AR Series Ukiah and Cloverdale, Escape from Alcatraz Triathlon - 1998, 2001 and 2002, 2001 Cal Eco Pancheo, 2001 Xterra Half Moon Bay, 2001 Xterra Tahoe, 2000 Fog Dog 24 Hour AR, 2000 Pathfinder Challenge, 1999 Hi Tec Portland, 1999 Xterra Hood River, 1998 Hi Tec Dallas Additional experience includes numerous Sprint and Olympic distance Triathlons, Swimming, Canoeing, White Water Rafting, Horse Back Riding, Scuba Diving, Skiing and Snowboarding. John is an experienced Mountaineer and has summated Mt. Kilimanjaro and Mt. Rainier and been to Mt. Everest Base Camp. From Survivor: Pearl Islands http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor7/survivors/bio/burton.shtml Burton Roberts was born in Houston, and raised in St. Louis. He is currently single and residing in San Francisco, where he works as a marketing executive for a start-up tech company in the video gaming industry. Previously, he worked as a marketing and business development consultant and an alliance manager. With bachelor degrees in both business and philosophy from Southern Methodist University in Dallas, he is most proud of earning a Masters Degree in business administration from the Kellogg School of Management in Evanston, Illinois (one of the top business schools in the world). His favorite hobbies include adventure racing, mountain biking and traveling, and he describes himself as adventurous, funny and a hard worker. He owns five Texas longhorns on his family's ranch outside of Austin, Texas. His heroes are his mom and dad who have worked so hard and have achieved success in life while being so dedicated to family. He thinks he'll do well on SURVIVOR: PEARL ISLANDS because of his experiences as an Eagle Scout and an adventure racer. Additionally, he believes his strength, smarts and his ability to take care of himself will serve him well. His birth date is April 10, 1972. AGE
31
MARITAL STATUS
Single
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Marketing Executive
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San Francisco, CA Curiouser and Curiouser!
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53. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
It was Eco-Challenge 2000 so it's three years ago. Jon Burton was supposedly 30 at the time and Burton Roberts is supposedly 31 now.They certainly look alike and the bios have similarities, including residence in SF and favorite activities. In the team messages on sgoogs' link, John Burton says:
"...To my family - you are in my thoughts everyday and I cannot wait to see you all when I get home. Tell all the animals hi on the ranch." From Burton's Survivor bio:
He owns five Texas longhorns on his family's ranch outside of Austin, Texas. I don't think this has anything to do with the big lie though. 
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57. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
>>It was Eco-Challenge 2000 so it's three years ago<<Didn't read it very carefully did I? Three year difference between the photos makes sense. I still say if that's him, MB & the gang know it already. They do enough background checking on these people that even if he tried to lie, & they didn't recognize him, they'd find out.
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63. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
Maybe Rupert's the liar? The previews say, "One castaway loses the spear." We are *ASSUMING* that it's Shawn. Nowhere in the preview, it says Shawn loses the spear! Nowhere!Remember, in Episode 1, Rupert will "lie, cheat, and steal" in order to win this game. Couple that with the lost spear, and we may be on to something. Rupert loses the spear.
Rupert lies, and says Shawn did it.
Tribe believes Rupert, since this incident has happened before.
Tribe boots Shawn, the undescribed third "male" boot. Just one possibility. It would be a pretty surprising boot. 
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64. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
Jims, the preview doesn't say, "someone loses the spear" nor does it say that Rupert, Shawn or Jon lose the spear. The preview says that someone loses something crucial to their survival (or something like that, I am typing this without checking out the exact quote by CBS). However, as I have stated earlier in this thread, I think the lie could very well be someone "losing" the spear. However, it would be "horrible" to hide the spear, say that someone else lost it, and then get voted out.Also, if we are to believe that Jiffy says it is "horrible", why would it be horrible for Rupert to lie to get Shawn voted off? I am not saying that I know what the lie is or that you are wrong. I am just trying to fit all qoutes together to come up with a viable scenario. You may be on the right track. I guess we will have to wait and see! GO VOLS!
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66. "RETRACTION " |
The reporter who wrote the story about Dalton telling "the Big Lie" is now retracting it. I got the link from Snewser's site: (which I hardly ever go to..)http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/Entertainment/2003/09/25/201898.html Thu, September 25, 2003
Brioux tells some island whoppers
By BILL BRIOUX, TORONTO SUN
Okay, put out my Tiki torch. I blew it last week on Survivor. That story I wrote about class clown Jon Dalton being the one who tells the "big lie" on Survivor: Pearl Islands? Wrong, totally false.
The week before, I interviewed host Jeff Probst, who told me three things: The latest instalment of the hit reality series would feature the biggest lie, the biggest twist, and the biggest regret in Survivor history.
What Probst didn't say was who was in on any of those things. I did, by mistake. The batteries kacked on my digital recorder and I was down to taking notes. Teams of experts are still trying to analyze my handwriting. When I wrote down that "Dalton is the liar," I may have been thinking about the Ontario election. We're still not sure. It could still be Dalton who lied, or it could be any of the 15 remaining contestants. You just didn't hear it from Probst. The big twist? It's not just that they were all dumped into the game with the clothes on their backs. There's a bigger twist coming. Could it be that somebody who gets kicked off early comes back when the tribes merge? Probst definitely didn't say that, but it is one of the rumours. Also last week I referred to the Morgan tribe as the Drake and vice-versa. That was good for about 15 "Hey, doofus" e-mails. Hey, you try and type, watch TV and eat Doritos all at the same time. Despite all my goof-ups, last week's Survivor premiere was huge: On Global, 3.6 million tuned in across Canada and CBS clocked 22 million in the U.S. It was the biggest show last week in both countries, bigger than the Emmy Awards. Tonight's show is on CH at 8 p.m., not Global, where a "supersized" Friends premiere is causing scheduling headaches. Hey, at least that wasn't my fault.
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69. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
Hey this is my first post so be nice please
I've been reading a few different threads about the BL and came to the realization that it might involve Jon, but in a different way than has been expressed so far. What if somebody lied *ABOUT* Jon to get him booted because they thought that they were targeted for some reason (ie. someone else loses the spear and creates a lie about Jon). As a stretch, he could even be the one returning (even though some of the spoilers don't point to that) which could bring about regret. Plus if he was booted unfairly, it may cause us to view him 'in a different light', as Jiffy seemed to be able to do. Just another perspective.
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70. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
Welcome to Blows, Aj. I'd say we've already seen Andrew manipulate one or two votes, I like this concept.
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72. "what if Rupert lost the spear?" |
For the second time we have promo's saying someone lost an important item. After making a big deal about Shawn losing the spear gun, what if Rupert comes back and has to admit now he's lost it, and can't find it. I could see Rupert getting desperate enough to try his hand at pelican hunting, and giving his tribe a reason to give him the ax.
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73. "Burton & ECO" |
Okay, I know I'm a little late here. I agree that Survivor Burton and ECO Burton are one and the same. Perhaps that's found out in Ep. 4 "Pick a Survivor, any Survivor". He is booted off and the tribe chooses a Survivor that has already been voted off in his place.
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76. "Who is the Big Liar?" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-01-03 AT 03:15 PM (EST)In my opinion, I don't buy into Jon being the Big Liar because who would be shocked, jaw dropping shocked doesn't it say?, if JON lied. He is sleazy, he lies, he's obnoxious. I think the Big Liar is someone you wouldn't expect to tell a lie. My son suggests LIL. The troop master lies? That's shocking! Just to save her butt on a game! How will it play out? Her troop will see this on T.V., her tribe mates don't even know yet, blah blah blah. If regret is involved in the BL, even more reason to move FROM Jon TO someone with a conscience. I also think it could be another load of hype . . . We'll see! Enjoying the thread, but it is too long to re-read whenever someone adds a post, so excuse me if I've misquoted or something, please.
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79. "RE: Who is the Big Liar?" |
its a flat-out absolute lie that one person tells everybody else, and they believe it.Given this statement, and the fact that JP twice segued from talking about the Big Lie into a spiel about lying one's way through the game, I really don't think the lie involves a second contestant. I think it's just a tall tale that someone tells about him/her-self. JP's used the following words to describe the lie: fantastic, horrible, brutal, brilliant, amazing. "Fantastic", "brilliant" and "amazing" suggest awe that someone had the cojones to concoct such a story, and also that the story creates at least something of the effect the liar desired. "Horrible" and "brutal" suggest that once he found out it was untrue, JP thought it was in dubious taste for the liar to have concocted the story. I think the lie is going to be incidental to the game itself, since JP says he doesn't want to "overhype" it. But it will generate some sympathy for the liar. E.g. -- someone says their close relatives were killed during the Holocaust, and it's not true. Or someone says their sister, with whom they were very close, was killed in the World Trade Center attacks, when the person never even had a sister. Etc.
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87. "RE: Who is the Big Liar?" |
When you add up the spoilers about an "older woman" returning, Andrew's lie to Lil could have repercussions, knocking him out of the game. Didn't JP refer to two unfortunate incidents? I wonder if their tribe is really going to need some knowledge later on that Lil could have provided - i.e., how to build a fire, etc., or maybe Darrah turns out to be a BIG liability. Also, isn't Lil supposed to have lost a lot of weight and hurt her ankle?
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84. "RE: Burton & ECO" |
It is against the rules for anyone who has participated in an Eco Challenge to apply or to be a contestant:"Employees, officers, directors and agents of CBS Broadcasting Inc., DJB, Inc., Survivor Productions, LLC, SEG, Inc., Combat Missions LLC and Eco Challenge Lifestyles, Inc., and/or of any of their respective licensees, assigns, parents, affiliated and subsidiary companies and the immediate family (spouse, mother, father, sister, brother, daughter or son, regardless of where they live) or members of their same households (whether related or not) of such employees, officers, directors and agents are not eligible to be contestants on Survivor or participate in this application process. Previous contestants and their immediate families are also not eligible to be contestants on Survivor or participate in the application process." from CBS website on Survivor 2 contestant rules:
http://survivor.cbs.com/primetime/survivor2/castingcall/rules.html I think this would be a big lie that would lead to a big regret...
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85. "RE: Burton & ECO" |
Well to be nit picky (and name me something about the law that isn't nit picky ) It doesn't say that a participant of another of Burnets games cannot participate in Survivor.This section:
"Employees, officers, directors and agents of CBS Broadcasting Inc., DJB, Inc., Survivor Productions, LLC, SEG, Inc., Combat Missions LLC and Eco Challenge Lifestyles, Inc., and/or of any of their respective licensees, assigns, parents, affiliated and subsidiary companies and the immediate family (spouse, mother, father, sister, brother, daughter or son, regardless of where they live) or members of their same households (whether related or not) of such employees, officers, directors and agents are not eligible to be contestants on Survivor or participate in this application process. ...deals with the corporations themselves. Not the particular or individual games. This section:
Previous contestants and their immediate families are also not eligible to be contestants on Survivor or participate in the application process." ...says that a previous contestant or their immediate families of Survivor are not eligible to apply again. It could easily be argued that since the section listed above lists only the game Survivor and does not name any other game from which those contestants would be ineligible, then anyone who has been on another of Burnet's games would be eligible. I'm not a civil attorney but it's pretty clear that they're only talking about Survivor in the contract. In order to cover all of his bases, Burnet would have had to included the names of The Eco Challenge, Amazing Race etc. as non-eligible contestants.
--can't believe she knows this stuff
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ExInterper 3093 desperate attention whore postings
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10-02-03, 07:40 PM (EST)
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86. "RE: Burton & ECO" |
As a blood sucking parasite, aka lawyer, in training (and Andrew isn't exactly doing a lot to improve our image, might I add), I gotta agree with Mistofleas on this. Any ambiguity in a contract is generally construed against the drafter, in this case MB. Plus, the fact that the "previous contestants" bit is a separate sentence from the laundry list of MB affiliated businesses would lead to the conclusion that "previous contestant" applies only to Survivor. (I think there's a latin term for this rule of contract construction, but I'm too lazy to look it up.) Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in and prove to myself that I'm actually learning in exchange for mounting student loans.
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89. "Osten is the lier!!!! :D" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-02-03 AT 10:36 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 10-02-03 AT 10:21 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 10-02-03 AT 10:15 PM (EST) I'm not really replying to Exinterper, but I can't figure out how to start a seperate thought withen a thread here. This is only my 2nd. posting even though I have been lurking here for 4 seasons of this show. I wanted my first coming out of lurkerdom thread to be about the BIG LIE. Unfortunatly someone beat me to it. It practicaly hit me upside the head last week. Following all the spoilers thruout this past week though made me question myself. Tonight confirmed it for me. It's Osten! I know you all question the "Brutality" of this lie, but think about it. It IS a brutal lie if he is sacrificing all his origanal team mates to make it to the merge. Their is no doubt in my mind he threw that challange toninght. He's a smart guy, he knows his phazic (my stupid spelling of body) is a detrement to him in this game. He is lieing by holding back his strength, not winning any of the challanges for his team, that's pretty brutual in this game. They are HURT'en. Maybe he figured out early on he was on a losing team and decided it was best he hide himself.
NO one has every done this before in this game. Hope I've made since. Anyway, thanks for listening, I enjoy this site alot. The only reason I've been lurking so long instead of contributing is I've had HUGH password problems trying to log on and gave up and just read and played the Survivour game only. And thanks to you all you wonderfly smart folks here,I have done fairly well. Thanks. Can't spell sorry. Also edit to say sorry, this should have gone on the east coast spoliers thread. It's so late...hope I didn't give anything away.
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brvnkrz 20491 desperate attention whore postings
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10-02-03, 10:33 PM (EST)
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90. "RE: Osten is the lier!!!! :D" |
Forgive me if I am not posting correctly. I am a long time lurker and a first time poster. I know I will get some flack for this posting but my girlfriend and I have come up with a silly little idea about the lie. I'm sure it probably has no truth to it but I just thought it would be fun to put it out there.
We think that MB is the big liar and JP is so shocked because even he was fooled.
We think that MB has planted someone in the game. Someone that MB has primed for this game and knows how to shake things up but still stay in the game long enough but not so long as to win the game.
So go ahead and blow our theory apart and tell me to stick to lurking.
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silentJ 336 desperate attention whore postings
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10-02-03, 10:41 PM (EST)
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91. "RE: Osten is the lier!!!! :D" |
There was similar debate that that happen last season (Alex) I think that's a little more than MB would risk. I'm supporting a wilder theory (over on the west coast spoiler thread) that the lie is Shawn telling Rupert to throw the challange.
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bigannie 1 desperate attention whore postings
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10-03-03, 05:38 PM (EST)
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98. "Osten is a dirty dog....." |
First time I have posted.... be gentleWhat if Osten told Tijuana he was single and perhaps he is not.(maybe getting a divorce, separated, engaged) In his bio it says something about kids, but nothing about marital status that I could find. I would assume that they hook up at some point. Then, Osten's wife/fiance/whatever shows for the family reward challenge and Tijuana loses her mind. Spoilers indicate that both Osten and Tijuana make it far. I know this is highly doubtful, but it would sure be hilarious. Annie
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frankz 1214 desperate attention whore postings
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10-03-03, 10:13 AM (EST)
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93. "What about Lillian?" |
I had an idea about this last night. Keeping in mind what Jeffie said about the lie, that no one knew about it until afterwards and that it was “ brutal and brilliant”. (“It's brutal and it's brilliant and it totally suckered me.”)
What if Lillie didn’t really lose the fishhook but kept it instead? (E3) That’s something you could conceal from a cameraman if you wanted and tried to and her statement to the camera when she turned around and said she lost the hook was odd, I thought. It seemed forced, not really natural (anyone have it on tape?). And that would explain the footage of Andrew going on and on about not tying the knot properly. Of course she should have known how to tie a knot. Foreshadowing?
She could have kept it knowing she was the next one out, just for spite. Or she may have had other strategic reasons for doing so. Maybe “finding” it later to help out her status, if she needed to. Or who knows what? Then perhaps she pulls it out of her pocket after the F2 vote and sticks it in the faces (pun intended) of her former tribemates. The ultimate f**k you, and from a scout leader no less! It would be brutal, brilliant, fantastic, horrible, cause regrets, and have a huge impact as now Morgan has no way to get food in addition to the difficulty they have boiling water after the second raid.
And if Lil is really brought back then this could sum up both the “big twist” and the “big lie” in one package. Her coming back and her sticking it to the Morgans.
Just a thought.
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Acawap 184 desperate attention whore postings
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10-03-03, 01:18 PM (EST)
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94. "RE: What about Lillian?" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-03-03 AT 01:23 PM (EST)That lillian theory would be great, and I'd love it, but 2 things -- 1) I don't think that would make JP say mother f***er, and 2) it doesn't make any sense -- it was a toss up between her and Darrah, why would she do anything to put her over the top? I also don't buy the Osten lie theory. If it was a horrible, brutal lie about him wanting to quit, why would he have mentioned wanting to quit in his confessional?? Nobody around to hear it, no point in lying. I think the lie has already been said, but they glazed over it so we don't see it yet. Going to re-watch the tapes this weekend. If it was something obvious, it wouldn't be scandalous when it was revealed. It'll be something that seems very trivial and minor now, but actually plays out to something bigger later -- like, I dunno... Christa isn't a druggie or Jon isn't an a-hole? ps -- my vote for 'big regret' is Tijuana and Osten hooking up. You all heard him say she was some goddess or something (can't remember exact playa language he used), and they obviously have a bond which hasn't been over-hyped. They hook up in the jungle, and catch hermit crabs from each other.
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frankz 1214 desperate attention whore postings
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10-03-03, 02:57 PM (EST)
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95. "RE: What about Lillian?" |
Acawap
I don’t know. Just something about the way she made her statement about losing the hook when she turned to the camera raised a red flag for me. It just looked odd in some way. Wish I could see it again. Let me know what you see this weekend. The rest of it is just my active imagination. Must be the writer in me.
I thought about the two things you mention.
1) Sure it would. The scout leader pulling something like that? Jeff doesn’t necessarily say he says it out loud or in front of anyone. Could just be in his head. I certainly would say that under those circumstances. Probably in my head but not necessarily.
2) It may not have been a tossup at all. She might have known. The editing can tell whatever story they want from whatever angle. Now it was clear from Markopolo‘s Insider E3 Yahoo Platinum thread and her parting comments that she was angry that Andrew did not specifically come up and tell her she was gone like he said he would, but it could still have been a foregone conclusion, known to everyone, and she was just mad at him personally for not keeping his word. Or it could have still been a tossup at that point (even if only in her mind) and she was going to “find” it later (before TC, of course) in the hopes that it might cast her in a more favorable light as they headed off to vote. And then once she realized for sure that it was her, decided to keep it to spite them. Who knows what people think.
I do agree with you 100% about the fact that we’ve seen the lie already. I do believe it comes early but plays out much later. And it’s not in the last bit obvious. I think we will be saying motherfucker too. ( I hope at least. I’m tired of, but have grown accustomed to, the weekly hyped up accounts that amount to nothing)
And I can’t remember what Osten called Tijuana either. But it caused a few people to question his sexual orientation.
Crabs or she gets pregnant as someone else suggested (sorry, don’t remember who) in another thread.
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Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings
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10-03-03, 04:15 PM (EST)
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96. "RE: What about Lillian?" |
A different Lillian idea...she said that she had the problem with Andrew because he said he would come back and talk to her once the boot decision, but he didn't.But what if he did? If she comes back into the game, she could tell the others that she no longer trusts him, because he didn't keep his word to her. Since she is regarded as trustworthy, they'll believe her, and this could lead to Andrew's demise since he's no longer trusted. It will be interesting to see if there's a confessional in the next episode with Andrew saying something like, "It was so hard telling Lil that it was her time to go." That would shock Jiffy, to have the Scoutmaster oust the lawyer by lying, since by reputation you would expect it to go the other way.  We really do have guidelines here. Believe it or not, the Guidelines make things more fun. Really.
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LadyT 5567 desperate attention whore postings
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10-04-03, 07:59 PM (EST)
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103. "Another idea to throw out" |
What if the lie is from Osten and he says he can't swim well. He figures because of his strength physically he will be there until the merge. Then post merge and they have a swimming challenge he kicks butt. Now in the reward challenge in ep 2 it's unclear if he was going to be one of the swimmers. At that point he may not have considered saying he couldn't swim. He may be conserving a lot of his energy by saying he wants to quit and stuff. But post merge, he is going to have a large target on his back like Colby did. He may pull a Colby run. In a later confessional he may confess that he didn't give it his all during the tribe challenges. Would this be enough for Jeff to say MF? I don't know. I realize that there are a lot of holes in this theory. So fire away 
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10-05-03, 10:54 AM (EST)
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106. "RE: Another idea to throw out" |
The lie and regret don't have to be tied together, as far as I understand. Big lie, big twist, and big regret, are all separate (or at least all potentially separate) events from what I've read.I have been thinking Osten is lying his butt off since I rewatched ep 2 (can't find my tape with ep 1 and 2 on it now - grrrrr). His confessional comments (or any voiceovers where he's not actually speaking to his tribe) don't add up with someone who wanted to quit or with someone who is physically spent. Man...I spent about 2 hours searching for the ep 1/2 tape on Friday (survivor airs friday here)
so I could tape them all together, and STILL haven't found it. As soon as I do, I'm planning to watch it again for Osten confessional clues. I definitely could see where Osten lying in this fashion would not only be beneficial, but might guarantee him a spot on the jury, at which point he can kick butt in the physical challenges (assuming Rupert is gone, of course) and go on a Kelly/Colby win streak. And I think he's at the point right now where he's performing just enough at the right times to be seen as valuable, but not too much to be seen as a threat. 
I *heart* my ©2003 GeorgiaBelle Creation
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nitafaisca 5 desperate attention whore postings
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10-05-03, 12:06 PM (EST)
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109. "RE: Another idea to throw out" |
I agree with you. I only read your post after posting mine later in this discussion, but I think if he's faking and sacrificing other players, I know I would definitely say MF...i'm not sure if there isn't enough evidence to prove this theory
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anninvt2002 86 desperate attention whore postings
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10-05-03, 11:20 AM (EST)
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107. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
I like this idea. I just have one question. Doesnt JP always at the beginning of any RC say, "Would you like to know what you are playing for?" He usually tells them ahead of time so this would Drake time to change their minds about throwing the challenge. I know there arent any "rules" out there but if this did happen, and I were on the Drake team, not only would I be some pissed I would have have a huge regret. I do believe that Morgans will all or some next week according the the thurs.football clips.. They are way, way to happy. Could Rupert still throw the challenge and they just simply take his fishing spear? But I could have sworn in last weeks episode I saw Darrah with a similar spear in her hand. Anyone have that clip. SHe is walking down the beach with something in her hand.
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nitafaisca 5 desperate attention whore postings
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10-05-03, 12:02 PM (EST)
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108. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
I agree that the liar is Osten, which was mentioned earlier in this discussion. Although it's a BIG lie, brutal which will lead to regret, it's got to be simple and something that's found out within the game, because as Jeff mentioned he/she will come to regret this lie. So, here's how I think it will play out (remember, in his quote, he says he can't wait to watch it play out...keyword - play). Whatever people did in the past, whether they were on other games or lied about where they work is not what's important here - it's what they do in the game. Osten, obviously a physical threat fakes his near-drowning in Ep.4. Earlier, it was mentioned that Jeff hinted the Big Lie starts in Ep.2, which it does - this is where Osten begins to show "signs" of giving up, thereby showing the others he's not a physical threat, and once again in Ep.3 where he lost to Rupert. I know some may think - but why sacrifice others? It's strange but even though he's losing, he probably knows they don't want to get rid of him - they made this known when booting Ryan S. instead of him. After faking his near-drowning in Ep.4, he wants to show the other tribe, not just his, that he's not a physical threat. Once the traditional merge plays out, he'll win an immunity challenge which involves some type of swimming. He'll show others that he indeed is an excellent swimmer. He'll somehow live to regret it by either getting booted out for his lie, or not making the final 2 because of his lie, or not win the game if he's in the final 2 because he did lie. Even though it's a great game strategy, just like Amazon's Matt (who played a great game) he won't win, which is the big regret. I know that if I was Jeff and found this out, I'd have the same type of reaction he did <insert quote here> and it applies. Just a thought....
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10-05-03, 12:15 PM (EST)
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110. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
After reading all the theories on the big lie/big twist/big regret, I've come to the conclusion it's all Osten. I hope I didn't miss a post where someone explains the same theory. I tried to read them all, but if I did miss it, sorry for stealing your thunder, and for the duplication.The Big Lie:
I'm thinking he faked the "I wanna go hooooome" thing. If he looks weak, he won't be a big threat after the merge. For now, he's the only real muscles the tribe has, so he knows he's relatively safe until the merge, they need him too much to risk voting him off. The near drowning in this week is just another part of his plan - let the other side see how weak he really is, so they can get the idea he won't be a threat after the (expected) merge. He probably even quit during the IC challenge last week, just held on long enough to make it look good. After the merge, when the challenges are less physical, he knows he can count on his brain and brawn during the challenges - so he's got a good chance of getting immunity often enough to last to the end. Since his near drowning was staged, MB can honestly say that no one was in danger of drowning. The Big Twist:
We're all pretty sure that the RC winners get to pick a castaway from the losing tribe. Assume Morgan wins - they're going to pick Rupert, since they assume Osten is weakening, and they need Rupert for his strength, as well as he's the only choice that will really knock the wind out of Drake. The Big Regret:
Osten didn't count on the switch - he's now in trouble. His team doesn't need a whiner around, he knows the first time they're at TC, he's gone. Either his team is sick of his whining, or they want to help him out to recover his health, but he knows he's a goner. He can't even admit he faked it all, or he'll suffer their wrath. If he does admit he faked it, and convinces them to keep him around so they have two strong men to guarantee a win in a physical challenge, he is still not completely off the hook - he's again top of the list at TC after the merge because of his deceit. No matter how he slices and dices it, his strategy was brilliant, but it also sealed his fate - he won't get even close to the F3, he knows he won't get the million dollars. How this works for Rupert? It could go either way. He's safe at Morgan for a while since they need his strength, but he is also going to be on the chopping block right after the merge since he's a threat to them then. Even Drake will be upset with him. Even though he had no choice, he's now working for the other side, and they'll vent their frustrations on him as soon as they can, probably first TC after the merge. I'd say that Rupert makes it to the merge, but he's first of second one to go after that. If they have any brains though, they'll keep him on until he can be a jury member. He's the only one who's had a chance to make alliances with everyone this early in the game. It could work to his advantage, to stay on farther in the game towards the end. If he's on the jury, it would work to everyone else's advantage, since they've had a chance to form an alliance (or at least some kind of bond) as a team member, not individual. He's probably the only one who every castaway can access for an alliance this early, which they can use to win his vote in the finale. I'm still hoping though that they do revive a player. This could possibly happen if Osten realizes his goose is cooked with the tribe swap. If he is smart, and wants to save face, he could end up asking to quit. It's better to blame physical weakness for the loss of a million dollars, than getting voted out (how embarrassing!! So, if I were Osten in this situation, I'd fake it one more time - pretend to be so physically wiped he's got to quit, like yesterday!! If Morgan has immunity at the time, they can't really cancel the IC, since Drake has to lose a member, nor Morgan. So I'd think the IC goes ahead, Drake votes someone out, and the 'dead' Morgan members get to compete for a chance to come back (or possibly the last Morgan voted out comes back, which if done soon, would be Lil). Again, it's nt really bringing a dead member back to life, so MB would be correct again - 'he' didn't revive anyone, it was a technical problem.
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10-06-03, 00:48 AM (EST)
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112. "RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Cont..." |
Sorry if this has been discussed on this board I cant remember but doesnt someone have a twin who is on the show? my brother seems to think this is the big lie and that the brothers have been playing the entire time but my problem with that is wouldnt everyone else know? He says that accounts for the extra person but i dont know about that, Any theories on this issue and which one has the twin?
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