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"EP2 Immunity Challenge"
Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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09-19-03, 03:16 PM (EST)
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"EP2 Immunity Challenge" |
These new vidcaps from Sfever show challenge caps of what may be from both a treasure chest RC and some kind of Tug-o-War IC…http://www.survivorfever.net/vc_ep2_webpromo.html …But what we need to figure out is if they are two different challenges or one and the same? Since we see the Immunity Idol in the Tug-o-war challenge, we know that is part of the IC. What’s unclear is if the treasure chest retrieval is RC or part of the IC. Here's one idea of how the elements might be combined: 7 players from each tribe, Drake sits one out. Each tribe has a long rope and an under water chest out deep in the water. 2 players must take the rope out into the water, dive down to find the chest and attach the rope. The 5 tribe members on shore pull the chest out of the water (with help from those in the water) the must drag it up to shore and up the beach to the finish line. First tribe to get there chest across the finish line wins immunity! Ryan O. running towards the water while the rest of his team wait for him to attach the rope to the treasure chest…
A woman diving down to the treasure chest…
Michelle(?) and a male team mate help push the chest toward shore, while the rest of the tribe pull the rope from shore…
The rest of the tribe pulling the chest toward shore. (Notice the II next to JP…)
The Morgan tribe pulling the treasure chest towards shore, where they will have to drag it up the beach (notice the logs used to delineate their “lane”) toward their finish line. Where we will see a “photo finish”...and another Morgan defeat?
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jkokoj 4389 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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09-19-03, 03:23 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-19-03 AT 03:25 PM (EST)I remember seeing a quote in another thread that the IC is a "photo" finish. That may make it difficult to determine who wins. EDITED: From SB's thread: CBS Episode 2 Press Release September 19, 2003 ONE TRIBE MEMBER IS READY TO QUIT, ON "SURVIVOR: PEARL ISLANDS" THURSDAY, SEPT. 25, ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK "To Quit Or Not To Quit" -- The harsh conditions on the island make one tribe member ready to quit, on SURVIVOR: PEARL ISLANDS, Thursday, Sept. 25 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. When the tribes compete at their first reward challenge, they learn of a new twist -- one member of the winning tribe is sent to the losing tribe’s camp to pillage and loot from their supplies. One survivor goes into a fit of rage after learning a fellow tribe member has lost a valuable item that is crucial to the tribe’s survival, and then becomes determined to recover it at all costs. At the immunity challenge, it’s a battle of mind and body where every last second counts in a thrilling photo finish.
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SteffiGurl 358 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host"
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09-19-03, 03:37 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge" |
Are we convinced that this is the IC and not the RC?
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jkokoj 4389 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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09-19-03, 04:01 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-19-03 AT 04:17 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 09-19-03 AT 04:09 PM (EST) Link to sucks where Griffe outlines the caps. http://pub207.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm2.showMessage?topicID=16366.topic At sucks they are stating that this is the RC. Notice Lil is without her pants and Ryan S. has on his undies but no shorts. He is to her left, black skivvies. I would assume that the RC is also a water challenge hence Ryan and Lil sans clothing.
EDITED: at closer review black skivvies belong to Andrew. But in Griffe's analysis you can see where Ryan S. is dressed differently from the IC photo.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-19-03, 04:24 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-19-03 AT 04:45 PM (EST)Totally edited: I think it's Andrew obscured by the T and he's in his usual dark brown shorts. So I'm not sure which challenge. There's a better cap where you can see either Michelle's or Christa's head in the water by Rupert's raft, and someone else's head behind hers (Burton's)?
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DoodleBug 5133 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-23-03, 02:16 PM (EST)
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53. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge" |
I see Tijuana (buff as tube top and her shirt pulled way up high), Lil with no pants, Osten, Andrew, and Ryan O. is running. I don't see Ryan S. at all in this photo.
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smrtNsassybnkr 332 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host"
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09-19-03, 04:15 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge" |
Must be Andrew and Michelle under water......The shorts are definitely Andrew's cut off slacks, and Michelle is the only blonde on thier team.
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anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-19-03, 04:48 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge" |
Christa is much blonder than Michelle and has longer hair.
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anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-19-03, 04:20 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge" |
How many guys on Drake are wearing longish dark cutoffs? In the water...Christa and I would guess Shawn pulling up a chest.
IN the Drake line, the first male is wearing long black pants, too.
If so, would those pictures be from the same challenge? Miscellaneous Ramblings
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ImNext 99 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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09-19-03, 05:16 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: More pics" |
In original set of vidcaps, Cap3, I'm almost positive that the girl is Christa; she had her hair wrapped identically to that through the whole first episode, in a not quite a ponytail, not quite a bun, with the strip of material tying it all together.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-19-03, 05:34 PM (EST)
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23. "So which challenge is this from?" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-22-03 AT 10:55 AM (EST)First of all, is Jon hugging JP here? The blue shirt could be Burton's, but why would Burton have his finger pointed in the air? It seems more like a Jeff Probst "Drake gets immunity/reward!" gesture. (Also note white trim on Jon's shirt in first cap, this is the same shirt he arrived with.) - 31 - 32 - 33 Those caps are not from the speculated Ep 2 RC, as Jon is not wearing his buff on his head for that: Could it be the ending of the tug-of-war challenge? We don't see Jon in the tug-of-war caps, but the background looks awfully dark. If it's not from the tug-of-war, it must be from a post-Ep 2 challenge.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-23-03, 09:56 AM (EST)
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38. "RE: So which challenge is this from?" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-23-03 AT 10:01 AM (EST)wants the #32 vid-cap to actually be Jiffy getting so frustrated and pissed off with Jon that he's actually throwing him out of the game and Jon is throwing himself on JP in an effort to stay *puh-puh-puh-puh-leeeese, Jefff, let me stay!!* That would be hilarious, I agree, Misto. Duh, I don't know what I thought that blue thing was, but obviously it must be Burton's buff. I can't imagine why he's pointing skyward. It sort of looks like he's been decapitated, actually. Now if we could see how Burton is wearing his buff for the rope-pull we'd be able to confirm whether or not this is at the end of that challenge. ***Edited to add: Oops, already confirmed -- 02dawg's post below has clearer caps of Burton's buff in the rope-pull and Jon at the back of the line.
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TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge"
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09-19-03, 10:32 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge" |
These are not the same event. Lillian's clothes aren't the only ones that change.
Tijuana is clearly seen wearing a buff as a tube top in the first frame. She's is just as clearly seen wearing her white top in the third and fourth frames. The red platform in the first frame is not visible in any of the other photos. These reality show contestants need a reality check!
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Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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09-21-03, 04:15 PM (EST)
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31. "More evidence of Morgan loss..." |
LAST EDITED ON 09-21-03 AT 07:17 PM (EST) At the IC,Tijuana wearing her sleeveless top, and Lillian in her uniform behind her…
…just as they are in this shot showing tears of frustration as they apparently lose again.
Edited to add: Looking at the actual tape, it appears that these vidcaps are DURING the challenge and Tijuana is gritting her teeth in angry determination. Since we know the IC will end in a "photo finish", we can conclude that they don't give up, and that either tribe can win at the point these vidcaps occur. That still leaves us with the shot of a jubulant Jon jumping for joy as the best evidence that Drake wins the close finish... Krautboy
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O2dawg 68 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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09-22-03, 09:11 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge" |
It has become clearer from some pics just posted on Survivorfever.net that this is the IC, and who is involved. I think that we have concluded that the rope pull is the IC challenge, given that the II is clearly shown in the pics. The picture below shows that Osten, Tee, Ryan S and Lil are pulling for Morgan. And in the distance we can see John with the buff on his head, and wearing his purple/blue shirt.
Given that we have the photo (below) from the opening sequence where John is jumping up on someone in an obvious celebration, I think we can assume that Drake wins IC, now that we see John in the same clothes while pulling the rope at the IC. (is that Darrah in the background looking dejected?) Also, John is jumping on Burton, in the above picture, where Burton is wearing his blue shirt and the buff on his head just as he is wearing while he is pulling the rope during the IC. See picture below showing Shawn, then Burton then Sandra pulling for Drake (John is just out of pic to the left) NOTE, in the first picture in this sequence, there is a pile of something behind the Morgan tribe, they look like sandbags, and also the ladders in the background of that picture, mean there is more to the challenge than just the pull. So some other observations from available pictures: I think during the IC that they may be pulling the rafts that Rupert and Andrew are shown on. You can see Ruperts raft being pulled at the front by some rope.
It looks to me that Trish (dark hair) is at Ruperts raft, with either Michelle or Christa across from her. I think that it is Michelle, and Christa is sitting out this challenge. Having these 3 at the raft would fit with the picture above where we can see Shawn, Burton, Sandra and now John pulling the ropes.
'On the rafts' picture: When you go to the CBS.com video preview, you can see a man behind Michelle swimming to the right, it appears to be RYAN O. It also appears, in the video at CBS.com, that Rupert is untangling and removing something (a cannister?) from the post on the raft. He is definitely ahead of Andrew, where you can see Andrew is still trying to untangle the object tied to the pole, but Rupert has swung the 'cannister' behind his back. Also, to differentiate the water part of the IC from the RC: I believe that they are NOT pulling the treasure chest during the IC, the main reason is that Shawn is shown hoisting the chest under water (his shorts and his build, with his back to the camera) and during the IC he is shown pulling the rope on shore. Also there is not a rope attached to the treasure chest, or at least not visible. The treasure chest is the RC challenge, in my mind.
Would love to have some comments! I am sure I missed something here.
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cosita121 4 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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09-23-03, 02:15 AM (EST)
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37. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge" |
Hi there, I'm new and figure I should just jump in feet first. Anyhow, the pic that O2dawg posted of the rafts is great. Before seeing that pic I was convinced that it was a guy and a gal out at the raft with Ruport. You can clearly see that the person with their back to the camera is a girl in that pic. Quick question. Anyone want to speculate what the red rope attached to the front of Ruports raft is? With the raft being pulled down in the back, it seems to have lifted the front and revealed a red rope of sorts. The rope is taught so it deffinetly seems to be tied to something out of screen. Great site btw.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-23-03, 11:16 AM (EST)
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41. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge" |
Good post, 02Dawg -- it makes sense and firms up everything that was speculated to this point.So for the IC, Morgan has Andrew, Ryan O. and Darrah (invisible in all caps) in the water and Osten, Tijuana, Ryan S. and Lill pulling the rope. Drake has Rupert, Michelle and probably Trish in the water, and Shawn, Burton, Sandra and Jon pulling the rope. However, is it possible no one sits out this challenge? In the cap you posted there's someone behind Jon in the rope-pull. It would have to be Christa (or whichever other woman is not in the water).
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Rain Crow 374 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host"
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09-23-03, 11:53 AM (EST)
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44. "Vidcap Analysis" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-23-03 AT 12:14 PM (EST)O2dawg, you said... >Would love to have some comments! >I am sure I missed >something here. OK...here is some comments that your post and others have dredged out of my rusty thought processes. I hope this spurs more discussion and spoiling!!! In the photo below, Drake is on the left side. From the photo, it appears that there is a lot of space between the two horizontal travel-limiting barriers. The survivors are widely spaced, both with each other and between the teams. The ground poles have long colored stripes painted on them with fairly wide, unpainted areas in between. Compare the above comments with this photo having the Immunity Idol. You will note that now Morgan is on the left. The two horizontal travel-limiting barriers are now only a short distance apart, the survivors are closely spaced, and both teams are very near each other. The ground poles now have short colored stripes painted on them with very short, unpainted areas in between. In my opinion, I don't think camera angle and fore-shortening would explain the different spacings, but I am willing to be contradicted by some camera/photography expert. Due to the II being present, this is clearly the IC. In the photos below, Drake is on the left side of the raft-pulling event. This would jive with the first photo above where Drake is on the left side pulling the rope. I suspect that both challenges involve water and rope pulling. Due to photo 2 above clearly being the IC, I have to think that the first photo and the raft photos are from RC. I have placed the four vidcaps in sequence as the raft moves from right to left as it is being pulled. Note that Rupert appears to have untied the canister and is raising it above his head in triumph. Clearly the Morgan canister is still firmly tied. Even more interesting is that the Drake raft is closing the gap with the Morgan Raft. Question is, how does this play within the RC? There are lots of ladders and "arena" areas in the background of the first photo above that may come before or after the raft portion.
Special Speculation! I also suspect that the canisters contain maps showing the location of the other tribe's island. More RC anaylsis. Here is the photo at the start of the RC. Note the red bench behind the contestants.
Here is the photo of the very start of the RC. Red bench is still visible. Lil and Ryan have obviously taken off their pants to compete in a swimming contest. Ryan is carrying something in his right hand, but I can't tell what it is. I now think the Drake's treasure chest in the photo below stands a good chance of being part of the IC. We seem to have different swimmers from Drake in this sequence as opposed to the raft swimmers. Don't know about the apparent lack of a rope, maybe that comes later or is tied on where we can't see it. However, I can add that there are three people on the chest, the woman, the guy in the black cut off's, and an elbow on the other corner of the chest belonging to some third person. Last comment...there is always the possibility that Jiffy is messing with our minds again with similar photos and beach scenes. He could have even once again done evil by reversing and editing the video footage!!! I don't think so, but it is always good to keep his trickery in mind! Will close for now and let others cogitate on my comments. "Onward Thru the Fog"
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mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-23-03, 12:30 PM (EST)
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46. "RE: Vidcap Analysis" |
It looks to me like Ryan O is carrying a balloon bottomed glass vial containing clear liquid. I have no clue what it might mean or what it's for but that's what it looks like to me. Could they be filling something?And in that vid-cap, look how close the tribes are the the trees. In the "pulling" vid-caps they're very close to the water and the trees are farther back. I really and truly belive we're looking at the underwater scenes, the Rubert/Andrew on the raft scenes AND the pulling scenes as all being part of the IC. The vid-cap of Ryan O. running is part of the RC and it takes place on the obstacle course type area visible behind the tribes during the pulling scenes. To me it's the only thing that makes sense. What else would the tribes be pulling that's out in the water other than the rafts? Why would tribe members be in the water behind the rafts unless they're trying to get the treasure chest and put it on the raft to be pulled into shore? This is my story and for now, I'm sticking to it. Of course I'm a woman, I may change my mind. --waves at RainCrow
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-23-03, 12:34 PM (EST)
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47. "RE: Vidcap Analysis" |
Rain Crow, some of the rope-pull caps are just flipped, they are all from IC. Clothing is different on some people for the RC.I also suspect that the canisters contain maps showing the location of the other tribe's island. I wondered this too, which would suggest the rafts are part of RC because part of the reward is to "pillage" the other camp. But -- we have four (maybe five) people pulling the rope for Drake in the IC, and the three missing people are the ones that are in the raft caps. Just a coincidence? Also -- Andrew is on the raft, but there are caps from RC where Andrew is still on shore at the starting point, looking disgusted with how things are going for Morgan. And Andrew is not on the rope-pull line for Morgan. So that would also point to the rafts as part of IC.
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O2dawg 68 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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09-23-03, 01:02 PM (EST)
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49. "RE: Vidcap Analysis" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-23-03 AT 01:20 PM (EST) Some good thoughts here..THANKS! Raincrow, one other thing that will show you that the pictures are inverted is that on the pic with Osten right in front you can see the lettering 'A&F' on his left thigh. In the pic with Morgan in front, the lettering is on his right thigh, so they have just flipped the picture, and taken a vidcap which is shot from a distance. Sneaky buggers... Brownroach, I really cant tell that that is Sandra behind John off to the left. It could be Christa, but my assumption is based on the fact that there should be an even number on each team, 4 pulling. And since Sandra is shown pulling the rope in another picture I assumed that it is her. They (Drake) do have to sit one person out correct for a physical challenge correct? Another thing that I see in the pics at the tug of war, is that there is something hanging over the posts behind Drake, and there is a pile of something behind Drake. Is it possible that they are pulling stuff out of the water that the other teammates are attaching to the rope?
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-23-03, 02:25 PM (EST)
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54. "RE: Vidcap Analysis" |
Someone (Darrah or Tijuana?) seems to be swimming behind Michelle, away from either raft. Possibly they all have to swim to the raft, climb on board, do something? If that is the case then the shot with Rupert on the raft could have been selected to be a red herring.
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O2dawg 68 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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09-23-03, 03:07 PM (EST)
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56. "RE: Vidcap Analysis" |
Hey Dabo, it is difficult to see in the still shots, but it actually looks like Ryan O. If you go to the CBS.com site and watch the preview video, you can see him swimming to the right of the shot. Which again would fit with the people left on shore, Osten, Tee, Ryan S. and Lillian where Andrew, Ryan O, and Darrah (unseen) would be in the water at the raft.
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O2dawg 68 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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09-23-03, 03:11 PM (EST)
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57. "RE: Vidcap Analysis" |
DEFINITELY not nuts MoF. BUT..a few things are missing then, what are the people pulling on at the beach? And why would they use Andrew as the person to untangle on Morgan, someone like Lil or Ryan S would be smarter. I think that Rupert and Andrew are there because of their swimming ability or strength, as well as quickness in untangling. But I do agree that the other 2 in the water are waiting for something from the raft.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-23-03, 03:16 PM (EST)
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58. "RE: Vidcap Analysis" |
Consider it unanswered, Misto. Really, though, this is driving me nuts as well. (And since we've basically figured out that Drake wins both challenges, do we need to bother with this?) Anyway, Dabo's idea makes sense -- that Rupert and Andrew are not the only two that mount the rafts during the challenge, they just happen to be in these caps. Or, what occurred to me is, maybe JP stipulates that they HAVE to put their heaviest tribe member on the raft? As for the rest of it, I don't know. The people with the ropes are sure acting like they are pulling at something really heavy, so if it's not the raft I don't know what it is.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-23-03, 04:38 PM (EST)
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63. "RE: Vidcap Analysis" |
Osten, by his own admission, is a poor swimmer, only goes in the water when he has to. If only one person were to be on the raft throughout the challenge, it would make the most sense for Morgan to have Osten on the raft, since they can't sit him out and that would keep him out of the water.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-23-03, 06:54 PM (EST)
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66. "RE: Vidcap Analysis" |
That works, BR. But I'm thinking it is very possible that run, swim, raft is one challenge, heave and tug treasure chest is another challenge.
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