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"EP2 Immunity Challenge"
These new vidcaps from Sfever show challenge caps of what may be from both a treasure chest RC and some kind of Tug-o-War IC…

http://www.survivorfever.net/vc_ep2_webpromo.html

…But what we need to figure out is if they are two different challenges or one and the same? Since we see the Immunity Idol in the Tug-o-war challenge, we know that is part of the IC. What’s unclear is if the treasure chest retrieval is RC or part of the IC.

Here's one idea of how the elements might be combined:

7 players from each tribe, Drake sits one out.

Each tribe has a long rope and an under water chest out deep in the water.

2 players must take the rope out into the water, dive down to find the chest and attach the rope.
The 5 tribe members on shore pull the chest out of the water (with help from those in the water) the must drag it up to shore and up the beach to the finish line.

First tribe to get there chest across the finish line wins immunity!


Ryan O. running towards the water while the rest of his team wait for him to attach the rope to the treasure chest…


A woman diving down to the treasure chest…


Michelle(?) and a male team mate help push the chest toward shore, while the rest of the tribe pull the rope from shore…


The rest of the tribe pulling the chest toward shore. (Notice the II next to JP…)


The Morgan tribe pulling the treasure chest towards shore, where they will have to drag it up the beach (notice the logs used to delineate their “lane”) toward their finish line. Where we will see a “photo finish”...and another Morgan defeat?


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge jkokoj 09-19-03 1
 RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge SteffiGurl 09-19-03 2
   RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge VerucaSalt 09-19-03 3
   RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge lroy 09-19-03 4
 RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge Brownroach 09-19-03 5
   RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge jkokoj 09-19-03 6
       RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge VerucaSalt 09-19-03 7
       RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge Krautboy 09-19-03 8
           RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge Brownroach 09-19-03 11
           RC.... smrtNsassybnkr 09-19-03 18
       RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge FarmBoy 09-19-03 12
       RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge Brownroach 09-19-03 15
       RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge DoodleBug 09-23-03 53
   RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge smrtNsassybnkr 09-19-03 9
       RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge anotherkim 09-19-03 19
 RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge anotherkim 09-19-03 10
   RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge Brownroach 09-19-03 13
   RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge jkokoj 09-19-03 14
   RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge anotherkim 09-19-03 16
       RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge anotherkim 09-19-03 17
           More pics Brownroach 09-19-03 20
               RE: More pics ImNext 09-19-03 21
       RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge Krautboy 09-19-03 25
           RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge Brownroach 09-19-03 26
               RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge Krautboy 09-19-03 27
           RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge ShowMeTheWinner 09-21-03 29
               RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge Joyful 09-22-03 36
 RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge wendyp 09-19-03 22
 So which challenge is this from? Brownroach 09-19-03 23
   RE: So which challenge is this from... volsfan 09-21-03 32
   RE: So which challenge is this from... mistofleas 09-22-03 34
       Blue shirt mavsfan 09-22-03 35
       RE: So which challenge is this from... Brownroach 09-23-03 38
           RE: So which challenge is this from... mistofleas 09-23-03 39
           RE: So which challenge is this from... tamarama 09-23-03 42
               RE: So which challenge is this from... Brownroach 09-23-03 43
 "If They Lose" and Rampaging Rupert... I_AM_HE 09-19-03 24
   RE: "If They Lose" and Rampaging Ru... I_AM_HE 09-21-03 30
 RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge TeamJoisey 09-19-03 28
 More evidence of Morgan loss... Krautboy 09-21-03 31
 RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge O2dawg 09-22-03 33
   RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge cosita121 09-23-03 37
   RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge VerucaSalt 09-23-03 40
   RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge Brownroach 09-23-03 41
   Vidcap Analysis Rain Crow 09-23-03 44
       RE: Vidcap Analysis tamarama 09-23-03 45
           RE: Vidcap Analysis byoffer 09-23-03 60
               RE: Vidcap Analysis tamarama 09-23-03 61
       RE: Vidcap Analysis mistofleas 09-23-03 46
           RE: Vidcap Analysis Brownroach 09-23-03 48
               RE: Vidcap Analysis mistofleas 09-23-03 69
       RE: Vidcap Analysis Brownroach 09-23-03 47
           RE: Vidcap Analysis O2dawg 09-23-03 49
               RE: Vidcap Analysis Brownroach 09-23-03 50
                   RE: Vidcap Analysis O2dawg 09-23-03 51
                       RE: Vidcap Analysis VerucaSalt 09-23-03 52
                           RE: Vidcap Analysis dabo 09-23-03 54
                               RE: Vidcap Analysis O2dawg 09-23-03 56
                           RE: Vidcap Analysis mistofleas 09-23-03 55
                               RE: Vidcap Analysis O2dawg 09-23-03 57
                               RE: Vidcap Analysis Brownroach 09-23-03 58
                                   RE: Vidcap Analysis yensid 09-23-03 59
                                       RE: Vidcap Analysis VerucaSalt 09-23-03 62
                                           RE: Vidcap Analysis dabo 09-23-03 63
                                           RE: Vidcap Analysis Brownroach 09-23-03 64
                                               What BR said mistofleas 09-23-03 65
                                               RE: Vidcap Analysis dabo 09-23-03 66
 RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge Joyful 09-23-03 67
   RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge mistofleas 09-23-03 68
       RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge Joyful 09-24-03 70
           RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge VerucaSalt 09-24-03 71
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1. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
LAST EDITED ON 09-19-03 AT 03:25 PM (EST)

I remember seeing a quote in another thread that the IC is a "photo" finish. That may make it difficult to determine who wins.
EDITED:

From SB's thread:

CBS Episode 2 Press Release
September 19, 2003

ONE TRIBE MEMBER IS READY TO QUIT, ON "SURVIVOR: PEARL ISLANDS" THURSDAY, SEPT. 25, ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK

"To Quit Or Not To Quit" -- The harsh conditions on the island make one tribe member ready to quit, on SURVIVOR: PEARL ISLANDS, Thursday, Sept. 25 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

When the tribes compete at their first reward challenge, they learn of a new twist -- one member of the winning tribe is sent to the losing tribe’s camp to pillage and loot from their supplies. One survivor goes into a fit of rage after learning a fellow tribe member has lost a valuable item that is crucial to the tribe’s survival, and then becomes determined to recover it at all costs. At the immunity challenge, it’s a battle of mind and body where every last second counts in a thrilling photo finish.

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2. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
Are we convinced that this is the IC and not the RC?
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In picture one though and picture four Lillian's bottoms are different, she looks like is bottomless in the one and darkish pants in the other. Or am I mistaken? If that is the case, it may be two different challenges then

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4. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
The presence of the Immunity Idol in one of the above caps would seem to guarantee that this is the IC.

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5. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
Sounds reasonable -- except as VS noticed, what's the deal with Lillian's pants?

Those are Shawn's Armani "shorts" in cap 3.


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6. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
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LAST EDITED ON 09-19-03 AT 04:09 PM (EST)

Link to sucks where Griffe outlines the caps. http://pub207.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm2.showMessage?topicID=16366.topic


At sucks they are stating that this is the RC. Notice Lil is without her pants and Ryan S. has on his undies but no shorts. He is to her left, black skivvies. I would assume that the RC is also a water challenge hence Ryan and Lil sans clothing.

EDITED: at closer review black skivvies belong to Andrew. But in Griffe's analysis you can see where Ryan S. is dressed differently from the IC photo.

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7. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
So RC is probably the "water based" challenge to go down and retrieve the treasure chest along with other stuff and we may see the near drowning and IC is on land in some pulling contest.

Give the edge for the pulling contest to Rupert (oh I mean Drake)

Water challenge? Well Osten can't swim really well so he may have an almost drowning but that might not be (in the end) a loss for them but you never know.

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8. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
Ok, we've confirmed that the tug-o-war is IC and the treasure chest is RC. Which challenge is this part of?


The captions say "if they lose...heavy price". Is having someone take 1 item from camp a "heavy price" or is it referring to TC?


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Totally edited:

I think it's Andrew obscured by the T and he's in his usual dark brown shorts. So I'm not sure which challenge.

There's a better cap where you can see either Michelle's or Christa's head in the water by Rupert's raft, and someone else's head behind hers (Burton's)?


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18. "RC...."
I believe this is the water based "treasure Chest" RC, and the IC is the beach shots. If they lose.....the get raided by the other team. Drake has so many supplies, this would infact be a "Heavy" toll to pay for the well-equiped Drake tribe.

Likewise, Morgan has very little supplies as it is, so if they lost the RC......It would also be a "heavy" price for them to lose any of their needed supplies.

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12. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
There are also some kind of platforms in this cap that are not in the "rope" caps.



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15. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
I would assume that the RC is also a water challenge hence Ryan and Lil sans clothing

Yeah, Lill looks like she is getting ready to run into the water after Ryan O. That must be why she removed her slacks; she's wearing them in the "listening-to-instructions" cap for this challenge.



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53. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
I see Tijuana (buff as tube top and her shirt pulled way up high), Lil with no pants, Osten, Andrew, and Ryan O. is running. I don't see Ryan S. at all in this photo.
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9. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
Must be Andrew and Michelle under water......The shorts are definitely Andrew's cut off slacks, and Michelle is the only blonde on thier team.
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19. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
Christa is much blonder than Michelle and has longer hair.
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10. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
How many guys on Drake are wearing longish dark cutoffs?


In the water...Christa and I would guess Shawn pulling up a chest.



IN the Drake line, the first male is wearing long black pants, too.

If so, would those pictures be from the same challenge?

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13. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
No, we are going with them being different challenges. The first
guy on Drake (between Ryan S. and Tijuana) also looks like Shawn, wearing his pale blue long-sleeve shirt and buff around his head. Looks like Burton's medium blue shirt right behind him.


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14. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
That first pic in AK pic looks like Christa and Burton/Shawn based upon his shorts being cut from trousers/suit pants. I believe that pic also is part of the IC challenge.

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Some more pics from Survivor Fever








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--edited to make the pictures larger

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they appear to be putting together some sort of sticks in the first caps. Andrew and Rupert on the rafts while the others are in the water. Andrew in boxers, so part of the reward with the treasure chest as a final step?

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20. "More pics"
Shawn in tug-o-war (first guy on the beach):

Andrew looking disgusted during RC:



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21. "RE: More pics"
In original set of vidcaps, Cap3, I'm almost positive that the girl is Christa; she had her hair wrapped identically to that through the whole first episode, in a not quite a ponytail, not quite a bun, with the strip of material tying it all together.
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25. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
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Notice the II in Christa's hand, just behind Sandra. This is as the Drake tribe is arriving at the IC. Sandra without hat and with blouse off...

Dressed differently that at the RC...

(Edited to make Michelle look more like Christa )


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26. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
That's Christa with the idol, KB. LOL -- it can be confusing to sort these people out. They don't seem to look alike in real life but somehow they always manage to in the caps.


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Oops, I'll fix it...those blonde people all look alike.


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29. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"

I find this picture very interesting. Sandra's obviously at the IC here since Christa, who is behind her, is holding the Immunity Idol. And most of the time, the IC occurs after the RC.

Now, is Sandra in her underwear or is she wearing a swimming costume? We've already had spoiler info that the contestants will have swimming costumes as prizes for a reward challenge. What if the prizes for this Reward Challenge are the swimming costume and a "special reward" (coz the CBS blurb says, "When one tribe wins the first Reward Challenge, they learn of a new twist: one member may visit the losing tribe's island to pillage and loot one item from their supplies" suggesting that the twist wasn't known until the team wins the first reward). I just think the reward of looting just one item isn't too attractive. If Sandra's wearing her swimming costume, then Drake must have won the RC.



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>I find this picture very interesting.
>Sandra's obviously at the IC
>here since Christa, who is
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From the look of the fabric and the stiching along the sides and the straps this looks like Sandra's bra.

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22. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
have to say that Drake was smart sending one man and one female in the water. That leave the stonger men to help pull the rope. I know that sounds bad comeing from a woman, but the peeps in the water will have to stop and come up for air while the peeps on the beach will continue to pull.

So Drake has Shawn and Burton to pull along with the ladies and Morgan has Ryan S and Osten.

Thanks for the vid caps!

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23. "So which challenge is this from?"
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First of all, is Jon hugging JP here? The blue shirt could be Burton's, but why would Burton have his finger pointed in the air? It seems more like a Jeff Probst "Drake gets immunity/reward!" gesture.

(Also note white trim on Jon's shirt in first cap, this is the same shirt he arrived with.)

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Those caps are not from the speculated Ep 2 RC, as Jon is not wearing his buff on his head for that:

Could it be the ending of the tug-of-war challenge? We don't see Jon in the tug-of-war caps, but the background looks awfully dark.

If it's not from the tug-of-war, it must be from a post-Ep 2 challenge.


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32. "RE: So which challenge is this from?"
Brownroach...in your last vid cap, what is Shawn holding in his right hand? This was brought up on another thread and there are caps of Jiffy holding something in his hands that looks very closely to this item. Is it part of the challenge?

Here is the link to the other thread with the caps of Jiffy (caps number 19 and 20):

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4072.shtml

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34. "RE: So which challenge is this from?"
In the above vid-cap #32. Look just to the right of Jon big fat open mouth. You can see the dark hair of the person Jon is jumping on and it looks like he's wearing a blue buff. While my first instinct was to agree with BR that this is Jon jumping on JP in happiness of winning a challenge, why would JP be wearing a buff?

Who from Morgan has a blue shirt like this? Is it possible that the is a vid-cap from a later EP after a switch of some sort?

I could be nuts on what I'm seeing though. Help a girl out here!


--wants the #32 vid-cap to actually be Jiffy getting so frustrated and pissed off with Jon that he's actually throwing him out of the game and Jon is throwing himself on JP in an effort to stay *puh-puh-puh-puh-leeeese, Jefff, let me stay!!*

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35. "Blue shirt"
Osten, Burton & Andrew all had blue shirts.

Osten sold his so that leaves Burton & Andrew.

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38. "RE: So which challenge is this from?"
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wants the #32 vid-cap to actually be Jiffy getting so frustrated and pissed off with Jon that he's actually throwing him out of the game and Jon is throwing himself on JP in an effort to stay *puh-puh-puh-puh-leeeese, Jefff, let me stay!!*

That would be hilarious, I agree, Misto.

Duh, I don't know what I thought that blue thing was, but obviously it must be Burton's buff. I can't imagine why he's pointing skyward. It sort of looks like he's been decapitated, actually.

Now if we could see how Burton is wearing his buff for the rope-pull we'd be able to confirm whether or not this is at the end of that challenge.

***Edited to add: Oops, already confirmed -- 02dawg's post below has clearer caps of Burton's buff in the rope-pull and Jon at the back of the line.


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39. "RE: So which challenge is this from?"
I didn't see that other post either BR. And here I thought I was being clever and all!


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42. "RE: So which challenge is this from?"
I think the skyward point is probably a 'we're number one' kind of thing.

As for all the vivid blues -- These or similar caps have shown up on a couple of threads sparking questions about where Jon got the blue shirt from -- I think those particular caps are just REALLY blue. Maybe the sun, maybe the processing. dunno.

But I don't remember the other guys' shirts being that bright a blue, & I have a feeling that's Jon's regular black shirt.

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43. "RE: So which challenge is this from?"
Yes, it's the shirt Jon arrived with, which has looked variously black, charcoal gray and navy blue in different caps. Whatever color it is, it always has the white trim around the collar and the sleeves. Burton's blue shirt also looks brighter and duller in different caps.


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24. ""If They Lose" and Rampaging Rupert?"
i'm not sure if this belongs in this thread or a different one, but could the misdirection quote about one tribe member losing an important object enraging another member is linked with a RC loss/pillaging of the camp?

So, if the analysis that the "loss" is by Shawn, angering Burton, what if Shawn pulls some boneheaded move that causes Drake to lose RC, which allows Morgan to steal the fish spear (or something else)...

as usual from me, this is pure speculation and unlikely to eventuate, but interesting nonetheless (imho anyway)

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30. "RE: "If They Lose" and Rampaging Rupert?"
ok, the scenario bove is wrong (see one of webby's vidcap threads) but i'm not sure if the "if they lose quote" was completely clear before. i just saw a commercial during football where the "if they lose they will pay a heavy price" quote is followed immediately by jiffy saying the winning tribe gets to loot the other camp. so i'd definitely say the "if they lose" is referring to raiding the camp

apologies if this was the case in the original promo as well, but i don't remember it

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28. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
These are not the same event.


Lillian's clothes aren't the only ones that change.

Tijuana is clearly seen wearing a buff as a tube top in the first frame. She's is just as clearly seen wearing her white top in the third and fourth frames.

The red platform in the first frame is not visible in any of the other photos.


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31. "More evidence of Morgan loss..."
LAST EDITED ON 09-21-03 AT 07:17 PM (EST)


At the IC,Tijuana wearing her sleeveless top, and Lillian in her uniform behind her…

…just as they are in this shot showing tears of frustration as they apparently lose again.

Edited to add: Looking at the actual tape, it appears that these vidcaps are DURING the challenge and Tijuana is gritting her teeth in angry determination. Since we know the IC will end in a "photo finish", we can conclude that they don't give up, and that either tribe can win at the point these vidcaps occur.

That still leaves us with the shot of a jubulant Jon jumping for joy as the best evidence that Drake wins the close finish...


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33. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
It has become clearer from some pics just posted on Survivorfever.net that this is the IC, and who is involved.
I think that we have concluded that the rope pull is the IC challenge, given that the II is clearly shown in the pics.

The picture below shows that Osten, Tee, Ryan S and Lil are pulling for Morgan. And in the distance we can see John with the buff on his head, and wearing his purple/blue shirt.

Given that we have the photo (below) from the opening sequence where John is jumping up on someone in an obvious celebration, I think we can assume that Drake wins IC, now that we see John in the same clothes while pulling the rope at the IC.

(is that Darrah in the background looking dejected?)

Also, John is jumping on Burton, in the above picture, where Burton is wearing his blue shirt and the buff on his head just as he is wearing while he is pulling the rope during the IC. See picture below showing Shawn, then Burton then Sandra pulling for Drake (John is just out of pic to the left)

NOTE, in the first picture in this sequence, there is a pile of something behind the Morgan tribe, they look like sandbags, and also the ladders in the background of that picture, mean there is more to the challenge than just the pull.


So some other observations from available pictures:
I think during the IC that they may be pulling the rafts that Rupert and Andrew are shown on. You can see Ruperts raft being pulled at the front by some rope.


It looks to me that Trish (dark hair) is at Ruperts raft, with either Michelle or Christa across from her. I think that it is Michelle, and Christa is sitting out this challenge. Having these 3 at the raft would fit with the picture above where we can see Shawn, Burton, Sandra and now John pulling the ropes.

'On the rafts' picture:
When you go to the CBS.com video preview, you can see a man behind Michelle swimming to the right, it appears to be RYAN O. It also appears, in the video at CBS.com, that Rupert is untangling and removing something (a cannister?) from the post on the raft. He is definitely ahead of Andrew, where you can see Andrew is still trying to untangle the object tied to the pole, but Rupert has swung the 'cannister' behind his back.

Also, to differentiate the water part of the IC from the RC:
I believe that they are NOT pulling the treasure chest during the IC, the main reason is that Shawn is shown hoisting the chest under water (his shorts and his build, with his back to the camera) and during the IC he is shown pulling the rope on shore. Also there is not a rope attached to the treasure chest, or at least not visible. The treasure chest is the RC challenge, in my mind.

Would love to have some comments! I am sure I missed something here.

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37. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
Hi there, I'm new and figure I should just jump in feet first.
Anyhow, the pic that O2dawg posted of the rafts is great. Before seeing that pic I was convinced that it was a guy and a gal out at the raft with Ruport. You can clearly see that the person with their back to the camera is a girl in that pic.
Quick question. Anyone want to speculate what the red rope attached to the front of Ruports raft is? With the raft being pulled down in the back, it seems to have lifted the front and revealed a red rope of sorts. The rope is taught so it deffinetly seems to be tied to something out of screen.
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40. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
It is definitely Michelle by Rupert's raft

Big question for me, what is the purpose for Rupert and Andrew. I'm actually quite shocked they would put Rupert on this raft if part of the IC b/c you would think he would be a puller like Osten is showed. He obviously untied something b/c Andrew is still working on removing that thing from the post and notice how Andrew's raft is stable and Rupert's is sinking back almost like his weight is pushing it down.

What is the purpose for someone as big as Rupert to be on the raft as opposed to pulling?

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41. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
Good post, 02Dawg -- it makes sense and firms up everything that was speculated to this point.

So for the IC, Morgan has Andrew, Ryan O. and Darrah (invisible in all caps) in the water and Osten, Tijuana, Ryan S. and Lill pulling the rope.

Drake has Rupert, Michelle and probably Trish in the water, and Shawn, Burton, Sandra and Jon pulling the rope.

However, is it possible no one sits out this challenge? In the cap you posted there's someone behind Jon in the rope-pull. It would have to be Christa (or whichever other woman is not in the water).


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44. "Vidcap Analysis"
LAST EDITED ON 09-23-03 AT 12:14 PM (EST)

O2dawg, you said...

>Would love to have some comments!
>I am sure I missed
>something here.

OK...here is some comments that your post and others have dredged out of my rusty thought processes. I hope this spurs more discussion and spoiling!!!

In the photo below, Drake is on the left side. From the photo, it appears that there is a lot of space between the two horizontal travel-limiting barriers. The survivors are widely spaced, both with each other and between the teams. The ground poles have long colored stripes painted on them with fairly wide, unpainted areas in between.

Compare the above comments with this photo having the Immunity Idol. You will note that now Morgan is on the left. The two horizontal travel-limiting barriers are now only a short distance apart, the survivors are closely spaced, and both teams are very near each other. The ground poles now have short colored stripes painted on them with very short, unpainted areas in between. In my opinion, I don't think camera angle and fore-shortening would explain the different spacings, but I am willing to be contradicted by some camera/photography expert. Due to the II being present, this is clearly the IC.

In the photos below, Drake is on the left side of the raft-pulling event. This would jive with the first photo above where Drake is on the left side pulling the rope. I suspect that both challenges involve water and rope pulling. Due to photo 2 above clearly being the IC, I have to think that the first photo and the raft photos are from RC.

I have placed the four vidcaps in sequence as the raft moves from right to left as it is being pulled. Note that Rupert appears to have untied the canister and is raising it above his head in triumph. Clearly the Morgan canister is still firmly tied. Even more interesting is that the Drake raft is closing the gap with the Morgan Raft. Question is, how does this play within the RC? There are lots of ladders and "arena" areas in the background of the first photo above that may come before or after the raft portion.




Special Speculation!
I also suspect that the canisters contain maps showing the location of the other tribe's island.


More RC anaylsis. Here is the photo at the start of the RC. Note the red bench behind the contestants.

Here is the photo of the very start of the RC. Red bench is still visible. Lil and Ryan have obviously taken off their pants to compete in a swimming contest. Ryan is carrying something in his right hand, but I can't tell what it is.

I now think the Drake's treasure chest in the photo below stands a good chance of being part of the IC. We seem to have different swimmers from Drake in this sequence as opposed to the raft swimmers. Don't know about the apparent lack of a rope, maybe that comes later or is tied on where we can't see it. However, I can add that there are three people on the chest, the woman, the guy in the black cut off's, and an elbow on the other corner of the chest belonging to some third person.

Last comment...there is always the possibility that Jiffy is messing with our minds again with similar photos and beach scenes. He could have even once again done evil by reversing and editing the video footage!!! I don't think so, but it is always good to keep his trickery in mind!

Will close for now and let others cogitate on my comments.


"Onward Thru the Fog"

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45. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
Rain Crow -- I think your first two caps are from the same challenge -- just different perspectives.

The stripes on the logs look the same to me, and the different angle would account for the apparent difference in distance between teams.

With Drake on the left & Morgan on the right in the first shot, we then move around to the left, and Drake is in the foreground & Morgan is in the background.

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60. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
Actually I don't think it is different perspectives, but rather that the second clip is shown in reverse. Notice that all of the Morgan pullers are on the other side of the rope pulling. At first I wondered if they pulled out of the water and then back towards the water, but people tend to always pull from the same side of the rope. I say the second is flipped and not the first, because in the first you can see the white letters on Osten's left thigh, which matches the team pic.

I agree, same challenge but different views.

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61. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
Yeah -- I caught that later. OK, sometimes I'm smart -- but only sometimes.

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46. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
It looks to me like Ryan O is carrying a balloon bottomed glass vial containing clear liquid. I have no clue what it might mean or what it's for but that's what it looks like to me. Could they be filling something?

And in that vid-cap, look how close the tribes are the the trees. In the "pulling" vid-caps they're very close to the water and the trees are farther back. I really and truly belive we're looking at the underwater scenes, the Rubert/Andrew on the raft scenes AND the pulling scenes as all being part of the IC. The vid-cap of Ryan O. running is part of the RC and it takes place on the obstacle course type area visible behind the tribes during the pulling scenes.

To me it's the only thing that makes sense. What else would the tribes be pulling that's out in the water other than the rafts? Why would tribe members be in the water behind the rafts unless they're trying to get the treasure chest and put it on the raft to be pulled into shore?

This is my story and for now, I'm sticking to it.

Of course I'm a woman, I may change my mind.


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48. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
I agree that sounds logical Misto -- the problem is that Shawn is underwater getting the chest and he's also on the shore pulling the rope. So the chest and the rope-pull can't be the same challenge.


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69. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
Whilst I am a Virgo, little details tend to slip my mind!

Thanks for pointing that out BR.

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47. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
Rain Crow, some of the rope-pull caps are just flipped, they are all from IC. Clothing is different on some people for the RC.

I also suspect that the canisters contain maps showing the location of the other tribe's island.

I wondered this too, which would suggest the rafts are part of RC because part of the reward is to "pillage" the other camp.

But -- we have four (maybe five) people pulling the rope for Drake in the IC, and the three missing people are the ones that are in the raft caps. Just a coincidence?

Also -- Andrew is on the raft, but there are caps from RC where Andrew is still on shore at the starting point, looking disgusted with how things are going for Morgan. And Andrew is not on the rope-pull line for Morgan. So that would also point to the rafts as part of IC.


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49. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
LAST EDITED ON 09-23-03 AT 01:20 PM (EST)

Some good thoughts here..THANKS! Raincrow, one other thing that will show you that the pictures are inverted is that on the pic with Osten right in front you can see the lettering 'A&F' on his left thigh. In the pic with Morgan in front, the lettering is on his right thigh, so they have just flipped the picture, and taken a vidcap which is shot from a distance. Sneaky buggers...
Brownroach, I really cant tell that that is Sandra behind John off to the left. It could be Christa, but my assumption is based on the fact that there should be an even number on each team, 4 pulling. And since Sandra is shown pulling the rope in another picture I assumed that it is her. They (Drake) do have to sit one person out correct for a physical challenge correct?


Another thing that I see in the pics at the tug of war, is that there is something hanging over the posts behind Drake, and there is a pile of something behind Drake. Is it possible that they are pulling stuff out of the water that the other teammates are attaching to the rope?

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50. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
Normally MB has sit-outs so that the same number of people are competing for each team, but occasionally (well, at least once that I remember) he has decided that evenly matched teams are irrelevant to the challenge.

But for a challenge like this, having someone from Drake sit out seems only fair. On closer inspection, Sandra and Jon are bunched together in this cap (you can see Jon's toothpick leg poking in in front of Sandra):


...so it's hard to tell who is really in front of whom. So I guess that's Sandra all the way in back in the other cap, and Christa is sitting out. (Since Christa is diving for the chest in the RC it makes sense she would sit this one out.)

I have no theory as to what the piles of crap behind them represent.


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51. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
Thanks Brownroach, I am starting to think that they are not actually pulling the rafts. I think that they have to pull in something attached to the ropes. I mean why would Drake put their heaviest person on the raft if they are to pull it in from shore???
Check out Lil in this picture, it looks like she is trying to do something with the rope.. not pulling at it.

Also, in the picture below there looks to be some items on Ruperts' raft, and I dont think it is just the rope laying at the bottom.

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LAST EDITED ON 09-23-03 AT 02:26 PM (EST)

Yes I am still debating on why Rupert was the selected person to be on a platform (which is obviously tilting b/c of his girth) if his bulk would be that much more valuable in pulling whatever they are pulling. You would therefore think that Osten would be selected to do whatever Rupert is doing if whatever their task is, requires strength. However, Osten, admittedly a bad swimmer could have passed b/c of problems dealing with falling into the water and this task may require good balance as well.

Michelle and Trish seem to be designated supporters of the platform perhaps to keep balance. I can only agree that Rupert must have another task that he'd be designated to be on that platform besides unraveling whatever he is unraveling and I do want to know what is the platform attached to on the other side of the platform towards the water. Do the pullers really pull or are they holders for Rupert/Andrew to make sure Rupert/Andrew don't go the other way and the strain is bad b/c something on the other side that we see the rope coming from Rupert's platform is pulling him? I'm not sure on this yet. Rupert/Andrew must have to do something besides unraveling that item.

The ladders and circular area behind the contestants also are part of this challenge as well.

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54. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
Someone (Darrah or Tijuana?) seems to be swimming behind Michelle, away from either raft. Possibly they all have to swim to the raft, climb on board, do something? If that is the case then the shot with Rupert on the raft could have been selected to be a red herring.
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56. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
Hey Dabo, it is difficult to see in the still shots, but it actually looks like Ryan O. If you go to the CBS.com site and watch the preview video, you can see him swimming to the right of the shot. Which again would fit with the people left on shore, Osten, Tee, Ryan S. and Lillian where Andrew, Ryan O, and Darrah (unseen) would be in the water at the raft.
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LAST EDITED ON 09-23-03 AT 02:46 PM (EST)

Here's an idea. Perhaps the rafts are part of a race type challenge (RC?). Rupert is up on the raft untangling various objects. The other tribe members are waiting in the water to get their object handed to them, swim back to the beach and then either assemble something or use the areana type area with the ladders and stuff behind the tribes in the rope pulling vid-caps. They would choose to have Rupert on the raft untangling stuff because he wouldn't be as quick in the racing part of it.

Possibilities? Am I nuts? (BR, don't answer that!)


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57. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
DEFINITELY not nuts MoF.
BUT..a few things are missing then, what are the people pulling on at the beach? And why would they use Andrew as the person to untangle on Morgan, someone like Lil or Ryan S would be smarter. I think that Rupert and Andrew are there because of their swimming ability or strength, as well as quickness in untangling.
But I do agree that the other 2 in the water are waiting for something from the raft.
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58. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
Consider it unanswered, Misto.

Really, though, this is driving me nuts as well. (And since we've basically figured out that Drake wins both challenges, do we need to bother with this?)

Anyway, Dabo's idea makes sense -- that Rupert and Andrew are not the only two that mount the rafts during the challenge, they just happen to be in these caps. Or, what occurred to me is, maybe JP stipulates that they HAVE to put their heaviest tribe member on the raft?

As for the rest of it, I don't know. The people with the ropes are sure acting like they are pulling at something really heavy, so if it's not the raft I don't know what it is.


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59. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
Ok just throwing this out there.

Perhaps Rupert is on the raft because his portion of the race includes some sort of lifting. Thus having Drake pair big, strong Rupert with the two weakest women. Keeping the other 3 men and the strong woman to do the pulling.

Just my .02.

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62. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
I'm a glutton for punishment; it isn't enough that Drake wins BR lolol

I can't agree entirely that Andrew would be selected then. Osten is a freaking huge man, I personally consider him to be Morgan's strongest so wouldn't HE be the one on the raft unless my earlier comment about his swimming issues come to play.

But it could simply be whatever the task is they felt Rupert would do better at it, then be pulling but darn if it ain't bugging me to no end

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63. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
Osten, by his own admission, is a poor swimmer, only goes in the water when he has to. If only one person were to be on the raft throughout the challenge, it would make the most sense for Morgan to have Osten on the raft, since they can't sit him out and that would keep him out of the water.
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09-23-03, 04:51 PM (EST)
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64. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
How about this -- They want Shawn and Burton on the rope for their strength. The raft part might involve some strength so Rupert can do that. Trish is a good swimmer, put her in the water. Sandra is strong, put her on the rope. Michelle was a lifeguard, into the water she goes. Jon, who's not good at anything, gets the last spot on the rope. Voila. Done.


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65. "What BR said"
Not bad buddy, not bad at all.


--thanks BR for not answering the "am I nuts" question

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66. "RE: Vidcap Analysis"
That works, BR. But I'm thinking it is very possible that run, swim, raft is one challenge, heave and tug treasure chest is another challenge.
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67. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
Here's my take,

The picture of Sandra with just her bra has Christa in the background holding the II.

In the picture of the Morgan group pulling the rope on the beach (side view) you can see Sandra standing in the corner just barely but you can see she has just a bra and no shirt.

We see in another picture Jon hugging who I think is Burton with Burton holding up a "number one" sign with his hand.


In the long shots of the tugging we see Jon with his buff on his head just like the celebratory picture and we also see Burton tugging the robe and he has his blue shirt on.

I think that this "tugging event is the IC and that Drake wins immunity. I think the water shots are from the RC and like some have suggested, the canister holds the map to the other teams island for pillaging. It looks to me that Drake wins that as well, although the commercials hint that the team loses something very big and important and Morgan quite frankly didn't have much.

I know I'm not observing anything that has not already been observed but I like to feel a part of the group


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09-23-03, 10:36 PM (EST)
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68. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
I know I'm not observing anything that has not already been observed but I like to feel a part of the group

Actually Joyful, you're not just observing you're puttin things in a nice little order with the IC and Sandra in her bra. Very well done. (see there is life outside Joe Schmo )

Welcome to the spoiling group!


--thinks Joyful will do well here

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09-24-03, 01:53 AM (EST)
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70. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
>Actually Joyful, you're not just observing
>you're puttin things in a
>nice little order with the
>IC and Sandra in her
>bra. Very well done.
>(see there is life outside
>Joe Schmo )
>
>Welcome to the spoiling group!

<Joyful blushes as she reads Misto’s post>

Thanks Misto
I'm glad you approve of my Sandra's bra observations

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71. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"
Yep, that is probably the deal with Osten, not that he is having an easy time on the sand. Between his for once clothed butt on the sand, Rupert's lead in untying whatever he is untying and Jon's hug, there is no doubt to me anyway that Drake wins IC which sets up nicely next week's title as well. I agree Christa is sitting this one out especially since we see her visibly with the treasure chest for RC and everyone else seems practically identified with the IC.

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09-25-03, 01:26 PM (EST)
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72. "RE: EP2 Immunity Challenge"

Rupert's raft appears orange on the top. I can't see Andrew's. Who is pulling who here, or trying to stop Andrew/Rupert by pulling it? Hmmmm

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