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anninvt2002 86 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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09-19-03, 09:05 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: key quote?" |
Agree. Also significant to me was Lillians "i am patient, very patient" comment during TC.
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Jims02 7407 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-19-03, 01:16 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: key quote?" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-19-03 AT 01:17 AM (EST)I posted this in the East Coast thread, but it would be better here: Another tidbit, supporting a Ryan boot. I noticed something in a confessional. During Mole 2, during one episode, we got a quote from Bill: "Myra was my favorite player." Lo and behold, Myra left the show THAT EPISODE. I think we have something better, in Survivor 7. It came from Lillian, right after she and Ryan S brought back the water (I think) "The first person who genuinely befriended me was Ryan... He is a good kid..." *sniffle* I probably wouldn't read into this statement too much, but it doesn't make sense why she'd cry about this reflection (unless she's VERY emotional). This could lead to four conclusions, based on the context and time: A. Ryan S is booted in Ep2, and this confessional is in Ep3. You know, at the beginning, where they talk about the departed castaway. B. Ryan S is in danger, and wants to quit, and Lil can't bear to see one of her friends like this. Trying to redeem his character with the "he is a good kid" comment. Still, it means he's in trouble. C. It's all a mare's nest, and amounts to nothing. D. Jims had way too much Dr Pepper this evening. Kinda an ambiguous meaning, open to opinion, but I really think it points to A or B. Especially with the Ep2 boot description. I think Ryan's quote would make some sense, especially if Lily is indeed on the outside looking in. However, he said she shouldn't stop trying UNTIL her torch is snuffed. I dunno. Maybe some irony? A 2003 IceCat original
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dangerkitty 1913 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser"
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09-19-03, 01:30 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: key quote?" |
Jiffy's quote at TC was also a little strange - something like: obviously there were a few of you who thought it might be you voted out, just goes to show that you're never out of the game until your torch is snuffed out. Just remember, you can always save yourself.Why include that? Also, they really didn't show clips that showed anyone "obviously" thinking they might be voted out. The line sounds odd to me, yet doesn't say anything that isn't always the case. With all this talk of someone being brought back, I'm trying to find something in it that leaves a loophole for it, but I can't.
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TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge"
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09-20-03, 10:01 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: key quote?" |
>Just sounds like a motivational speech >to me. Ryan was shown >according to the insider as >knowing that he was leaving >that episode. > To Ryan and Lill, it was a motivational speech. There are probably similar clips all over the cutting room floor for all of the other players. To the editors who know how the game plays out, it is a chance to use something said early in the game to foreshadow something significant that neither Ryan nor Lill can foresee at that moment. The general feeling here is that this particular snippet was included in the broadcast because something happens down the road where Lill is saved at the last minute, or returns in some fashion. These reality show contestants need a reality check!
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FarmBoy 2618 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson"
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09-19-03, 10:51 AM (EST)
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16. "RE: key quote?" |
Me too!!!JP wouldn't have said it unless there was a reason. I think he would have repeated what ever relevant quote has an impact on the outcome. This was it!! Bovinated- An Original Draco Masterpiece
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Wacoshade 7 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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09-19-03, 02:01 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: key quote?" |
JP's quote was blatantly obvious. I too wonder if maybe Ryan S's comment to Lil was made AFTER the tribal council and just shown out of order, or if Jeff was inserting a message in there to Lil and Ryan, particularly given how anxious Ryan was that night. I lean toward the latter. I wondered if it had anything to do with the rumored returning aspect, but I frankly don't see the connection to that yet. I don't know why Jeff would want to get that in there, when Ryan and Lil would know what it is about, although no one else would realize it had been said by Ryan. I am also of the opinion that the producers and editors are trying to implant ideas and directions in our head. Of the hundreds of hours shot over the first couple of days, when things wittled down to 44 minutes, we get an obvious repetition of some "gameplay wisdom." I think the staff is trying to create dots for us to connect in some foreshadowing. Jeff has stated repeatedly in interviews that he liked Lil, and she is one to watch. Given other spoiler rumors, and the cliques developing in the tribe, there may be an obvious direction in plot lines with regard to Lil and whether or not she will be getting voted out or whatever. I think there wa a reason for both Jeff saying this and for the quote to be shown in the episode, but I am not clear on the matter...
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Draco Malfoy 10525 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-19-03, 09:22 AM (EST)
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10. "RE: key quote?" |
I'm beginning to think that the "contest to get back in" is an error or something. Jeff said, "You're not out of the game until your torch is snuffed." Well, anyone who was in a contest to get back in would have to have had their torch snuffed. That's why I'm really leaning towards an injury taking Lil out of the game and then she comes back. When Skupin was taken out, they knew he wouldn't be back, so they did a "ceremonial" torch snuffing for him. What if they don't do that for Lil, but everyone assumes that she's out, even though her torch was never put out. "As long as you have fire, you have life in this game."Start Weight:339 Last Weigh-in:321 Loss To Date:-18 I guess one person can make a difference, but most of the time, they probably shouldn't. - Marge Simpson
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mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-19-03, 10:27 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: key quote?" |
The fact that Ryan S. told Lil she could say she was out only after her torch was snuffed and then having Jiffy say almost exactly the same thing at TC is important. We can't dismiss this at all.Jiffy and MB see the tapings from the day, that's how JP is able to ask his telling and sometimes uncomfortable for the tribe questions at TC (or right before challenges etc.) I think that Ryan S. making the comment to Lillian about torch snuffing (and an understandable comment it was) made JP and MB snigger and say to themselves..."that's what you think buddy!". MB told JP make sure you mention torch snuffing, as long as you have fire you have life...etc. at this first TC. I'm leaning towards these comments as an indication of the BT. We need to listen to what JP says and how he phrases things at the first TC for Drake. --has rattled on for too long without caffine
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tamarama 1785 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser"
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09-19-03, 11:17 AM (EST)
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19. "Two other possible "key quotes"" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-19-03 AT 11:19 AM (EST)Rupert was talking about coming in as a caretaker & said: "...make them believe they can't get along without me -- And I think I'm doing it." And after winning IC, Shawn said:
"(we beat them...) Not just with brute strength, but willpower...they gave up & we didn't -- we almost did, but we didn't -- and that's why we made it to the end." (quotes are close, but still approximate) Granted, we won't know 'til we know, but these were the only 2 I caught that smelled like the 'winner's ep 1 key quote' kinda thing. (edited to correct a typo)
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VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall"
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09-19-03, 12:34 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Two other possible "key quotes"" |
I thought the same thing as everyone else. Jeff's comment was exactly like Ryan'sHow this was done could potentially be what came out at TC. According to what I have read, these TC's last a couple of hours for which we are shown certain segments. Now the stuff about Jeff stating that some thought they were going to go could have all come out in that two hours so his comment was relevant to the discussion we didn't see such as Lillian discussing what happened with Nicole after we were shown the part of Nicole making mention of trust and Tijuana's comments and Ryan also could have said that he felt the same way about going. So, this all could have happened and Jeff summarized the meat of the TC by what he said. Now, the comment Ryan made to Lillian "could" have been mentioned in this context i.e. Lillan discussing how she felt she was going to be booted but "Ryan has been a rock for me and he told me blah blah" The fact of the matter is that I don't believe it was a miraculous coincidence they BOTH said the snuff comment BUT MB made sure he kept it in to show us; that is the issue to me. I think everything comes out at TC and Jeff does a nice little summary at the end so the viewers don't get too confused or to send a message and makes sure relevant points are brought out to us in the long TC. He purposely made sure that the comment Ryan made to Lil (and which I believe was mentioned in the unedited TC) was reiterated by Jeff and shown to us. Was it designed to a. give us the winner type comment. Ryan says to Lil, Jeff says to Drake and Lil got the prophecy b. Simple foreshadow of Ryan making the comment only to have his torch snuffed next time c. Prelude to the twist. It's not over till your torch is snuffed, hang in there (or whatever he said) Broadly looked at, if the booted players are ALLOWED to return to compete to decide who will go back, they may be given NEW LIFE and NEW TORCHES with flame so although it was snuffed it wasn't snuffed FOR GOOD. But what the heck do I know lol
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Amily 88 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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09-20-03, 08:50 AM (EST)
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24. "And another" |
I mentioned this on the East Coast thread ... In one of Osten's confessionals he says something like "I am not ready to go home ... yet". Given the attention he's received on the betting "scandal", I was thinking this could be an episode one quote from the winner (or with the "yet" thrown in the possible runner-up)? Who knows.
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volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-20-03, 09:46 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: key quote?" |
SHOME...You are right...the Sean quote to Vee was not in the first episode. Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but there were no confessionals or quotes about Tina when she won in The Outback.
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ImNext 99 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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09-21-03, 12:27 PM (EST)
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29. "Another quote" |
This isn't a key quote, and I'm kicking myself because I absolutely cannot remember the exact wording, but did anybody else cock an eyebrow when Christa mentioned something about "forty days?" Survivor's still only 39 days, right? I haven't lost my marbles after watching this show one to many seasons, have I? We were wondering how they could bring a player back to life and still have the show run 39 days - maybe they added a day, like they did in the Outback, but this crew just thinks it's an additional day, and don't know the real reasoning behind it.
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PepeLePew13 26134 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-21-03, 12:51 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: Another quote" |
>but did anybody else cock an eyebrow when Christa >mentioned something about "forty days?" >Survivor's still only 39 >days, right? >We were wondering how they could >bring a player back to >life and still have the >show run 39 days - >maybe they added a day, >like they did in the >Outback, but this crew just >thinks it's an additional day, >and don't know the real >reasoning behind it. I don't think there's an extra day at all -- JiffyProbe said in the opening the usual spiel, "39 days, 16 people, 1 survivor" and I think that if they were going to add a day later on, they'd have Jiffy do a re-voiceover to make it more vague so that his words wouldn't be misleading. Sometimes people, especially those young people who might not give a flying crap about little details, give a generic statement like they'll say "I weigh 190 pounds" when they really weigh 192 or 189. I think most participants would be saying 39 days but I can see someone like Christa saying "40 days (whatever)." Having said that, I don't recall hearing anything about Christa mentioning 'forty days'? Will have to watch the rebroadcast tonight... Click here to rank all 96 Survivors!
Heidi: My biggest assets to the tribe are my athletic skills and my intelligence. I've lost one of them. Jiffy: Which one?
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ImNext 99 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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09-21-03, 05:33 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: Another quote" |
I think she said the "forty days" bit immediately after landing on their island, when she was talking about the loot they got and how they "had enough to last forty days," but I'm sure that's not a direct quote.
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Gennenut 28 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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09-22-03, 09:23 AM (EST)
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34. "RE: Another quote" |
Didnt the pearl islands get hit with a hurricane during production? Would that maybe explain the 40 days? (a break for the hurricane to pass)
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Chez 777 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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09-22-03, 08:16 PM (EST)
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38. "fire snuffed out" |
Remember back in S1 when JP told us that at repeated TCs, the player who was being voted out actually had their torch blown out by the wind before the vote was counted? If your torch is blown out by the wind, would that mean it was not snuffed out? Would that little technicality give us some wiggle room in this whole discussion, about how a player can return?
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