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"Near Drowning?"
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Reply A near drowing
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THE MIAMI HERALD - http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/entertainment/6785735.htm
September 16, 2003
Associated Press Meanwhile, the seventh edition of the show, from Pearl Islands, debuts at 8 p.m. EDT Thursday. It features the biggest whopper of a lie told by a "Survivor" contestant and a near drowning.
When a contestant started struggling during a water-based challenge, Probst was on shore telling antsy rescuers to wait and see if the person's teammates would come to the rescue. "I was on the beach saying, 'Hold off, hold off,'" he said.
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Could this new vidcap be the “Near Drowning” mentioned above?
Does it occur during a water challenge next week?
Is this event what causes someone to consider "to Quit or not to Quit?"
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3. "RE: Near Drowning?" |
I'm thinking this might be Burton. Maybe it's just the way it looks on my monitor (not the best quality by far), but the rounded face looks more like Burton than Jon or Shawn.I think it's Burton for these reasons: 1) The lie seems to come to the surfce in the first episode. 2) The person in question is probably on Drake. If our other spoilers are corect, and Drake wins immunity, this would lead to his survival of tribal council. 3) We can eliminate Rupert, assuming he comes to the island with his beard fully in place. 4) The use of the the term "whopper of a lie" seems too convenient, and with Burton being from Texas, it seems to match.
So the lie seems to be that someone can't swim, but has touted themselves as an adventurer-type. If I were on the team that lost the first immunity challenge, I don't think I would keep them around after causing my team to lose, so it would tend to elminate anyone from Drake as the liar.
Fire away. Feel free to shoot holes in any/all of my thoughts.
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4. "RE: Near Drowning?" |
Well to narrow it down Burton says he scuba dives and was an Eagle Scout so I have a hard time thinking this is him. Ryan and Shawn do not mention water activities but I read somewhere (I'll have to look) that it could be Shawn b/c he isn't a good swimmer or something like that but don't quote me there. It looks more like Shawn than Ryan to me also.
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45. "RE: Near Drowning?" |
>>1) The lie seems to come to the surfce in the first episode.2) The person in question is probably on Drake.<< I missed where this info came from -- Can someone point me to the thread?
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48. "RE: Near Drowning?" |
The lie seems to come to the surfce in the first episodeVery doubtful. I think PackMan may be interpreting the "it" in this sentence to mean the debut episode rather than the whole series: It features the biggest whopper of a lie told by a "Survivor" contestant And we don't know which tribe contains the liar (though I myself would lean toward Drake at this point). 
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5. "RE: Near Drowning?" |
I think this person may be one of the 2 below. The face is too full to be Ryan S. and Shawn lists surfing as one of his hobbies. My guess is that this is Ryan O. From his profile at CBS he is really into motorcross and does not list many other hobbies. He seems more of a land type guy.
compare to Burton:
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7. "RE: Near Drowning?" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-17-03 AT 10:21 AM (EST)Good thoughts Misto. What comes to my mind is maybe everyone (all the males) indicated they could swim or exaggerated their abilities. Then when they are told to walk the plank and swim to shore it comes out that someone can't really swim. This could be a lie of sorts. A big lie that could cost one team to lose many challenges. Although that did not stop Roger or Sean from being in the water.
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9. "Episode 2" |
I agree with Misto. I think this happens in episode 2. I am not a strong swimmer, but I think I could manage to get to the raft.And I agree with PackMan. This may be the "big lie" that is very regretable. Someone doesn't let the tribe know they can't swim, indeed, they brag that they are a good swimmer. Then said person nearly drowns, causing the team to lose a challenge. That person is subsequently voted off. How much better for everyone had that person said up front at the beginning "guys, I'm not a real strong swimmer, I'll need your help"? The tribe would be prepared, and they would be able to trust the non-swimmer. 
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19. "Not a 'horrible" lie" |
It would be a good explanation for a "big lie" but lieing about swimming would not be "horrible"...JP:... "there are alot of things that play out. There is one of the greatest lies ever. It is a fantastic horrible lie." A lie becomes horrible when it hurts someone else. Lieing about swimming puts the person themselves at risk but would not be "horrible" I don't think lieing about swimming is what JP was talking about as "one of the greatest lies ever".
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22. "RE: Not a 'horrible" lie" |
You are right, Captain K. I guess that wouldn't be a "fantastic, horrible lie". I read speculation on another board that someone might lie about needing the money for a sickness in the family or something to that effect.Anyway, IF a tribe member led the tribe to believe he was a good swimmer, and a near-drowning occurs, it could certainly have implications for the game. AND we must remember that both Jiffy and MB tend to exaggerate, so who knows? Have You Forgotten 9/11/01?
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59. "RE: Not a 'horrible" lie" |
I agree with Krautboy - Jeff said it was a "horrible" lie - a "brutal and brilliant lie". Not being able to swim would not qualify as brutal.
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14. "RE: Near Drowning?" |
I know this is subjective due to monitor quality, etc....The water in the "jump from the boat" caps is dark. Makes me think it was cloudy and the water is deep. The water in the "drowning" cap is a brilliant color like you see near the beach on really sunny days. Makes me think the drowning incident happens later on. 
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58. "RE: Near Drowning?" |
From the eyebrows, it also looks to me like Ryan O. His eyebrows don't extend as far over his nose as do Burton's.
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11. "I think it's Jon" |
To me the drowner looks like Jon, who also doesn't list any proficiency with any aquatic activities in his bio or favorites. Here's another cap:
His hair looks longish, and you can see faint goatee stubble down the right side of the chin, which Jon appears to have: 
If it's Jon, and the drowning cap is from a challenge, then these may be two different challenges since his buff is on his head in the "victory" cap and his hair doesn't look wet.
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60. "RE: I think it's Jon" |
This is undoubtedly Shawn. His ever present black rubber bracelet is making it's presence on the left side(his right wrist)of this shot.
Burton and Jon, neither one has the bracelet. Jon also has what looks like sand residue on his shoulder. They are both dry as well, Just look at Jon's hair. Meaning only, that he did no swimming.
... then these may be two different challenges ... I believe you are right about this statement BR. Jon and Burton certainly are celebratory. Since Ryan S. is supposedly 2nd boot, we can assume Drake wins the 2nd IC.
Which leads to the Shawn "drowning" clip as being from the RC.
If Shawn is having trouble staying afloat (leading to JP telling the "lifegaurds" to 'Hold off!'in hopes of having the tribe go back to save one of their own) would his tribe sacrifice the RC to save his life? Dare I say, Drake does not win the RC in ep.2. As to Jon's shirt ... it does not look like the one he was dropped into the drink with.
Very prominent white stripes on that shirt.
He could have borrowed a blue t-shirt from someone else, yet, noone else on his tribe has a blue t-shirt. If we can agree that these 2 shots are from ep.2, then it is possible(and from what Sue Hawk says. Probable.) that Drake wins the IC and is also rewarded with their personal belonings and luxury items. The blue tee was probably left behind in his bag and since Drake won the first IC he gets a different shirt to wear for ep.2. tribephyl
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61. "Shawn's Bracelet" |
Tribephyl: Excellent vidcap analysis as always...Here's another pic to support your observation:
Shawn with bracelet on his right wrist. I agree, if the EP2 RC turns out to be a water based challenge, and Shawn is the "near drowning" victim JP described, then his tribemates probably do go back to help him, in which case Drake would probably lose the RC... Early Spec for EP2: Drake loses RC.
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64. "RE: I think it's Jon" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-18-03 AT 04:43 PM (EST)Nice catch on the bracelet, tp! Also, I like your explanation of Jon's blue shirt in the victory cap. Now I'm confused, though. Shawn is a surfer -- he should be a good swimmer -- and the hair looks too long. Could that be Shawn's hand coming in to help Jon? What do we think about this cap? (I can't seem to paste it in so here's the link): http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/graphics/gallery/S7TVGuideHI/E01tvguide028 Successful rescue? Who is rescuing whom?
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65. "maybe not a cap of the incident" |
The cap may be from a different challenge -- even though it looks kinda bad, he may just be coming up for a breath.
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68. "RE: I think it's Jon" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-18-03 AT 06:25 PM (EST)Great find BR. Here's the vidcap: 
When I first saw this picture I couldn't figure out what Shawn and Jon were doing "holding hands". I like your theory that Shawn (the surfer dude, excellent swimmer) goes back to rescue Jon (who's hair length and goatee match the guy in trouble). The hand with bracelet is Shawn reaching around Jon's neck in lifeguard fashion to get him on his back and to help him back to shore. Shawn may have swam back to shore with Jon on his back, hands around his neck. This vidcap captures the point at which the arrive back on shore... In this scenario the result is the same, the guy in trouble gets rescued, but the Drake tribe loses the RC.
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69. "RE: I think it's Jon" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-18-03 AT 07:15 PM (EST)I'm gonna contrary here. I think that the vid-cap of the "drowning" is nothing more that someone coming up for air in a challenge. I think that if in the vid-cap of Shawn and Jon "holding hands" this was right after a rescue, they wouldn't have stopped in that deep of water and neither would be smiling so big. If in fact as JP said, that he had to hold the rescue crew back from "saving" this person, whichever tribe member did go back to help would continue on to shore and make sure the drownee was alright. Just my .02 
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73. "Upon closer inspection" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-19-03 AT 03:08 AM (EST)There is NO WAY that hand could belong to the "drowning" person. This is most certainly someone's left hand, which wouldn't possibly be attached to the person "drowning" in this pic. Here is the vid cap:
Here is the important part, enlarged a bit:
 Note that the pinky finger is closest to the drowner, which is pretty much an impossibility if the hand belonged to the drowner. It looks to me like the "drowner" is really just taking a breath and the "other hand" is placed where it is as aresult of him swimming next to the "drowner". And it definitely looks like Jon is the "drowner" in the pic and Shawn is the hand (with bracelet) in the pic. Methinks this pic is probably NOT the near drowning - chances are the teammates wouldn't be in that close proximity during the near drowning (crew/medical staff maybe, but likely not teammates) if it was in fact during some sort of challenge...unless of course this cap is not from a challenge and we're just supposed to think it is? I haven't looked at Webby's caps yet...maybe I should go do that now  And as far as the "dry" team members, don't forget that there could be different "legs" to the challenege. Two survivors would never be sitting out in ep. 2 - either this is a picture from a challenge with different "legs" (some on land) or this is not an ep. 2 pic. If memory serves...I don't recall MB ever (or infrequently if ever) showing a scene from a FUTURE episode other than the one in question (the NEXT ep). There've been scenes from PAST episodes, but rarely, if ever (again, to my knowledge) from beyond the very next episode (not in the "next week on survivor" promos anyway). I think it's very likely that this challenege is one with varying legs and some portion of this challenge takes place on land...that or this cap is from the other episode's challenge? Just some thoughts. 
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80. "RE: Upon closer inspection" |
I'm not sure the "pinky" that is labeled is actually a pinky. Couldn't it be a bent index finger where we are looking at the knuckle and the rest of the finger is underwater? Then the hand does belong to the swimmer.
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09-17-03, 12:47 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: JP vs. Jon" |
If Jeff feels that way I can imagine what the tribe thinks of him. No wonder there seems to be some question as to whether the tribe will try to rescue him. It could also make him an early boot. Do you think the tribe would want to keep someone around that keeps bringing down the wrath of JP on them?
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09-17-03, 01:08 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: JP vs. Jon" |
Except JP tends to sound impressed and even admiring about the lie in interviews but doesn't seem to have that same attitude to Jon. In addition to horrible and brutal, he describes the lie as fantastic, brilliant, and greatest.
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09-17-03, 01:20 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: JP vs. Jon" |
That seems more likely. If the lie led to the removal of someone that was making life tough for JP, it would increase his admiration.
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34. "RE: Jon first from Drake?" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-17-03 AT 03:33 PM (EST)From what we've gotten so far, I'm starting to think Drake's first TC is going to pit either Jon or Shawn against Rupert, with Sandra running interference. If I can get it together at some point I'll organize the caps, but basically: a recent preview has Shawn dissing Rupert to Sandra, while she seems noncommittal (Michelle is also there)... Shawn: I don't want to expend that kind of energy
Sandra: yeah
Shawn: Throwing a spear at one fish, that just sucks There's also a cap of Rupert and Sandra in the water looking like they're having a serious discussion; there's a cap of Jon, Shawn and Burton standing and talking in the water without Rupert; and there's the Early Show preview of Sandra telling Trish and Christa about a conversation she overheard between some of the guys: "they said, 'dude, we have nothing but luuuuv for you'." It all must mean something! 
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36. "RE: Jon first from Drake?" |
I agree with whomever said the almost drowning/big lie just doesn't seem related. Yes they hype but this is big hype for someone who lies about swimming? I can't think that would be it.I go back to this: Jeff also said that THE BIGGEST LIE EVER is told this season. He didn't elaborate, he went on to say that he and Mark Burnett are waiting for someone to apply to the show and basically say that they have an advanced degree in psychology, have written 3 books, but they are totally going to play the game like a postman from Montana (or something like that). Jiffy said they were waiting for someone to come in and totally lie their way through the game, but that they haven't seen anyone like that yet. I know it states they haven't seen anyone like that yet. But I find it strange that he would immediately go from mentioning this BIG LIE to how he and MB are waiting for someone to apply who pulls a huge snow job in the game. To me, it kind of smells like a trigger reaction. Did you ever mention something and it "triggers" another thought? Perhaps I'm looking at this too analytically but why would you discuss a big lie in the current game and then just move on to what you would like for another game which just happens to be a whopper of a lie. I just find it a bit strange. Now perhaps, to the degree they are waiting for someone to apply to do something this monumental, I get the impression that someone did something along these lines in this game but maybe not to this magnitude. How do you switch gears like that unless talk of the big lie triggered a reaction to say the next thing. This is just me playing psychologist. Anyone want to be Freud?
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41. "RE: Jon first from Drake?" |
Looking back that statement could be a description of several situations last season: The guys in the beginning, Roger, Deanna, Alex, Christy. It was almost to the point that if someone said they were in control that would be the boot that night.
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51. "RE: Jon first from Drake?" |
Maybe there was a nugget in that VH1 special after all. I had the impression that the interviews with MB and JP took place while they were in Panama, although you can't really tell when. MB makes the point that Jeff is much tougher in TC than we see on TV and that he will shut someone down in a second if they give a nonsense answer or try to worm out of something. Although we've seen mean Jeff before maybe he was thinking about a recent incident? Maybe Jeff exposes the lie in tribal council? I could see Jeff praising the lie if it leads to great drama even though he can't stand the liar.
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50. "RE: Near Drowning?" |
FarmBoy, most definitely I agree with your thoughts but the way this is stated this time with the nice little M------ F----r and just the way he sounds almost in awe of what this person did, leads me to believe it is a bigger than the normal breadbox exaggeration they normally do.
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52. "Big lie not a swimming lie" |
This quote from JP is in the Interview with FlmMaker thread:its a flat-out absolute lie that one person tells everybody else, and they believe it. In fact, I'm sure that they still don't know its a lie and won't find out until they watch the show along with the audience. If the lie were about swimming, the other contestants would have figured it out before airtime.  Fighting for evil (and neat forums) since 2002
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54. "Here you go Liar ID" |
According to this article, Jon's pants are on fire.www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/Entertainment/2003/09/18/195614.html Last two paragraphs:
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57. "RE: Lets be careful..." |
I certainly agree that's possible. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate and point out conflicting info so it can be knocked down or not.
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74. "RE: Osten" |
nope. you are right. that was osten.
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86. "MB says, "There is no near drowning."" |
in an interview from snewser's site, he is on a radio show and says:Actually there is no near drowning....it's just stuff on the internet...like people predicting who wins...it's always wrong. There's no near drowning. It's 1:58 into the interview if you want to listen. http://mfile.akamai.com/3310/rm/sportnws.download.akamai.com/3310/snr/mitm/misc/200309/mark_burnett.ram The other thing he mentioned is that he already knows where S10 will be and to expect the All Star version at the beginning of the year.
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88. "RE: MB says, "There is no near drowning."" |
well..it was fun contemplating who drowns.
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