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PLEASE NOTE: The Reality TV World Message Boards are filled with desperate
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"The clues are in the edits"
squirrel 10 desperate attention whore postings
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08-19-00, 11:50 PM (EST)
 
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"The clues are in the edits" |
The Story is all important but,
there are several "tales" being told here.
each with a different initial audience
First the obvious ones,1. The story for the TV public.
2. The dis-information tales being told by/to the news and the deeper tale
3. the story the "castaways" were being told about
the island --The myths -- the rituals along with
a few things thrown in to create dramatic/mysterious
TV (read as "the torches going out").
Look back through the episodes and these island
related nuances crop up every now and then.
This was done not only to make the show more
interesting and "real" to the TV audience,
but was also done to create an atmosphere for the contestants. This atmosphere was essential to get the most out of
each of the participants -- to bring out the primal
and base qualities of man -- whether these be good or bad.
These people were not "acting" and whether they realized
it or not the "Myths" of the island influenced their actions
and non actions. Note those on the island who did not take this
"game" seriously have left. What remains is a real "tribe"
who banded together because they saw this as a serious situation.
And they are now poised to eat each other in the same way
they dealt with rest. All in all this "is" a story of "headhunters". The editing is now finishing weaving the pieces together,
taking the myths and the rituals and using them to foreshadow
the end. The stories are now coming together as one.
look at the whole story -- the entire story.
Fact: Clues exist in the edits.
The F4 picture shows this- (just in the negative )
Fact : The final 2 comes from the participants in the F4 Clip
Fact: MB has admitted that "misdirection" is afoot
Fact: Two (less than 1 second total) clips aired on Ep. 12
These clips are the new clues the "sleuths" get for Ep. 13
The Clues: **F4 Picture
The "rumor" that MB said "the truth is in the middle"
Not the physical middle but...
one hidden, one in view Rudy is in view and has been the "leaked" favorite/winner for some time **The conch shell Headhunter Tale and the "rudy" conch quick-clip This is rudy blowing the Shell.
The clip is meant to show him calling the rain to cleanse his sins. Ep. 12 in Immunity challenge he was shown "unable" to answer
the question regarding headhunters.(only one other person was
shown with that question.
**The Skull - Headhunters -- And the "Flash" clip.
Ep 10 Richard fishing and his over dub goes on about
hunting fish and how he has been hunting the people
in the same way he hunted fish. Ep. 12 in Immunity challenge he was the only one
shown "answering" the "headhunter" question.
Richard has a skull on his staff/torch
Is he our headhunter? The one in the middle who is out of view?
And now the spoiler...?
squirrel
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08-19-00, 11:59 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: The clues are in the edits" |
So what, Rich is the Lord of the Flies?
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08-20-00, 00:02 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: The clues are in the edits" |
Very insightful post!From what I've read so far, not everyone agrees that picture is of Rudy with the Shell. What sins would Rudy need to have cleansed? To me, he seems to be the "cleanest" of them all. I don't think there is a better word to describe Rich than "headhunter" I'm really going to have to go back and watch these scenes you mention again.
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squirrel 10 desperate attention whore postings
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08-20-00, 01:01 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: The clues are in the edits" |
>From what I've read so far,
>not everyone agrees that picture
>is of Rudy with the
>Shell. True, but many also "think" the "torches" references "is"
important.
"the banished cast members torch goes out" is a red herring,
a simple mid American focused dramatic effect...
**cut to Susan when Jeff explains "mysterious torch"
(is susan the next off) > What sins would
>Rudy need to have cleansed? To get to the final 2 they must eat their own.
Each will have to betray one of the tribe -- they have no choice.
Remember the Tagi4 have killed off an entire boat load of
castaways. This scene would be a reference to Rudy returning from a hunt (after they have "eaten") True, the weaker point of this F2 configuration is that "rudy"
is one of them. But he has been projected to make the end for some time. It's a nice "carrot" MB has held out. The obvious is what they are trying to hide. But the obvious also serves a purpose. In this case it serves to "portray" Rudy to be the winner. A reinforcer, if you will, to the numourous other "Rudy wins" rumours.
Sentimentally (for america) he is the favorite. Remember this is Myth woven into Reality seen through TV.
See it as trying to tell a story, but to several audiences. The key here is Richard and the story.
Now... the spoiler ...?
squirrel
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squirrel 10 desperate attention whore postings
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08-20-00, 01:32 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: The clues are in the edits" |
>I think MB would be
>more likely to tell a
>story in the style of
>Danielle Steel than Joseph Conrad.
>Ah, but in one persepective it is. just look at the ratings.
However...
Creative people want to be "seen" as artists.
This show is edited as "Video Art" ... not MTV "art Video"
There are many concrete things the boards see in the show that the majority of people did not pickup on. Not because it wasn't there, but because the people on the boards were more attuned to the story... A good story teller can make the most complex story simple and make that simple story oh so complex. really... do you want the spoiler now?
squirrel
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squirrel 10 desperate attention whore postings
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08-20-00, 12:48 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: What's The Spoiler Squirrel?" |
Well as most true spoilers I don't expect for folks to beleive me. But here is goes. .
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I have a access to an individual(1)in the movie industry, in the production aspect. An individual(2) who is known to individual(1) worked on the show. Upon return the beans were spilled accidentally. In a conversation, Individual(2) heard that the winners name was published and commented regarding this and let out the name of the winner, not knowing that the published name was wrong.
This person was very worried regarding the non-disclosure agreement. The individual I got the info from was worried also and it was like pulling teeth to get the info. CBS has has these folks really scared.For what it's worth the winner is "rich" (he is a "scary" winner to the public becasue they see him and his methods as "evil" but the way he played is just a reflection on our society... That is what should "scare" us.) (btw,,, my chain could have been pulled on this.) squirrel
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squirrel 10 desperate attention whore postings
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08-20-00, 01:09 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: What's The Spoiler Squirrel?" |
>Believe me squirrel, I think anyone's
>chains can be pulled right
>now. True, but the thing that makes this most "credible"
is the fear that individual(1) had regarding this info, and they are so far removed from MB that it rings true. This, along with the editing clues leads right to rich as our
conquering headhunter. Oh and then idea the "rich doesn't win" because he will have a radio show is just not thought through.
By setting up a gig in his town, he now has a base to work from for syndication, on his terms. Interviews and appearances will only fuel the radio shows syndication possiblities. sq
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08-20-00, 02:04 AM (EST)
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10. "RE: The clues are in the edits" |
And.......WWF is called performance "art"
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08-20-00, 10:11 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: The clues are in the edits" |
Whats the freakin spoiler already???
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08-20-00, 01:15 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: The clues are in the edits" |
I only have one problem with your "deeper tale" that you claim MB was trying to accomplish. It kind of blows your whole theory to sh*t, even though I liked the idea of MB trying to create a art visual or visual art thing.
Do you want to know your mistake with this theory?
Are you sure?
The answer is... All these allusions to head hunters and snake handlers and the Island possesing its own spirit, was done before MB knew who the final winner was. Any idea of MB trying to create a surreal Island theme is pure chance, because the winner wasn't determined at this point of the story.
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squirrel 10 desperate attention whore postings
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08-20-00, 01:34 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: The clues are in the edits" |
>The answer is... All these
>allusions to head hunters and
>snake handlers and the Island
>possesing its own spirit, was
>done before MB knew who
>the final winner was.
>Any idea of MB trying
>to create a surreal Island
>theme is pure chance, because
>the winner wasn't determined at
>this point of the story.
I was waiting for this....
You are missing the point.
It is true that the winner was not known at that time.
But the Island stories/myths "were" told to the castaways --
for them and for other purposes.
They filmed the reactions and actions of the castaways. The Myths (as myths are) are very flexible -- A tremendous tool in telling a story. Remember we are only looking at one myth in particular -- the "headhunter" myth. The others don't seem to fit the ediitng. (slaughtering goats,,, getting lost..) But once the winner was known, all the footage reveiwed, the story would be told using what was availible. Had rich been kicked off, the "skull" on his staff would not have been used.
By having several Myths to choose from they could make things fit as they wished. Knowing the winner was unimportant at the time they first presented the myths. The myths were tool put in to allow for a compelling flexible telling of a tale. Remember we see very little of what was filmed. sq
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08-20-00, 01:46 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: The clues are in the edits" |
I'm sorry Squirrel, but I didn't tape the show. Can you discuss the "skull on the staff" in more detail(when it occurs), and the headhunter myth(what happens and what they have to do).
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