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KeithFan 7422 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-09-03, 09:45 PM (EST) "Butch's "Dave" vote.." Something is going on behind the scenes that we are not aware of that would cause Butch to vote for Dave. I'm sure Dave went up to him and said "me, you, Deena, maybe Christi and Heidi" are going to vote out Matt. I see only 2 posibilities: 1. Butch feels like Roger felt in that he thinks Dave switched at last TC. 2. Butch has joined up Christy and Matt in a block of 3 misfits that can swing left or right until the "popular" players are gone. This would easily fit in with CO. Feel free to call me stupid, but I can't see how Matt is as dumb to the game as they are making him out to be. I think he is playing Rob like a trumpet. This week, block of 3, Alex, and Rob vote out Deena. Jenna can join with the gruesome 3 some primarily because she is UTR and least likely to win another immunity.   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Butch's "Dave" vote.. dabo 04-09-03 1    Hint on E11 IC winner? Bebo 04-10-03 7  RE: Butch's "Dave" vote.. Jims02 04-09-03 2    RE: Butch's "Dave" vote.. munson 04-09-03 3    RE: Butch's "Dave" vote.. Krautboy 04-10-03 4        RE: Butch's "Dave" vote.. Q 04-10-03 5  RE: Butch's "Dave" vote.. sorgee 04-10-03 6

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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-09-03, 10:13 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Butch's "Dave" vote.." My feeling is that Butch knew how the vote was going and simply tried to maintain his UTR position in the hope of not being next on the chopping block. As for the misfit 3 you postulate, I think that is a very likely development, possibly it will be a misfit 5. Left out of Rob's power players list were Heidi and Jenna, who have been trying to control the game jointly according to their mutual strategy. If there is a fall-out among Deena, Rob and Alex, which seems likely, then it may be Heidi/Jenna who join forces with the misfits to form a new Misfit5 to oust the leaders3. (Haven't had much time for spoiling this week, been bringing too much work home darnit.) ARRRRRRR!!!!   Top

Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-10-03, 11:19 AM (EST) 7. "Hint on E11 IC winner?" new Misfit5 to oust the leaders3 Dabo, sweetie, stop bring work home, because you make sense here. The one question that comes out of it is, how would Heidi finish 6th if she's part of the Misfit5? The answer is that the last leader left wins that crucial IC, forcing the Misfit5 to start cannibalizing three days earlier. Or this could force the Misfit 5 to face a tiebreak situation in a 3-3 vote, as the minority 2 (whichever pair is less loosely allied with Matthew, the trusty swing vote) convinces the leader 3 to vote with them. When Heidi loses the tiebreaker, the leader and Jenna become the next 2 boot targets, with Jenna surviving by winning the IC challenge to prevent Matthew, Butch, and Christy from voting her out in 4th. Then she could make final 2 by either entering into a final 2 pact with Matthew or winning the final IC. Bebo says...919 beats 205 - I am your American Idol and the Baroness of Babedom.   Top

Jims02 7407 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-09-03, 10:33 PM (EST) 2. "RE: Butch's "Dave" vote.." I agree with dabo. We've seen a few situations where contestants know that they're going, so they'll tell their allies to vote against them to keep themselves safe possibly. I'm guessing that this is the situation. You never know though. In Honor of Summary Writers... 3. "Survivor is turning into Playboy At The Rainforest" -AMAI 4. "Eat a sandwich and contemplate how shallow you are" -dajaki 5. "She’s deaf! She’s deaf! Oh God, the humanity, she’s deaf!" -TechNoir 6. "Christy’s smile... one of the 1,612 defining moments" -TeamJoisey 7. "Christy wins the Jan Gentry “Aim High” Award" -Fester   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 04-09-03, 10:58 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Butch's "Dave" vote.." We've seen a few situations where contestants know that they're going, so they'll tell their allies to vote against them to keep themselves safe possibly. Listening to Dave in his post show interviews, I didn't get the sense he told Butch to do it but, you're correct, you never know. Voting against your alliance when the writing is on the wall certainly has precedent. It worked for Vee (Boston Rob) in Marquesas but didn't do Penny (Jake) much good in Thailand. I don't know how effective it is as strategy though because it sends the wrong message to the others - namely, you can't be trusted and your loyalty is in question.   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 04-10-03, 00:24 AM (EST) 4. "RE: Butch's "Dave" vote.." From MarkoPolo's "survivor Insider" transcript we get some insight into Butch's motivation...exactly what Dabo and Jims02 have pointed out... "Butch (votes Dave): Dave, you’re a great guy. This vote is for strategic reasons only. I wish you the very best." Butch voted for Dave so as not to draw too much attention to himself. Krautboy   Top

Q 2569 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 04-10-03, 11:02 AM (EST) 5. "RE: Butch's "Dave" vote.." I was looking for the exact words after seeing this thread yesterday Krautboy. Thanks for posting it. I think and agree with those posting here, it was for pure stategic reasons. The writing was on the wall, dave was going, why rock the boat. It is astonishing how foolish humans can be in groups, especially when they follow their leaders without question - States: The Bene Gesserit View. All States Are an Abstraction.   Top

sorgee 1455 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 04-10-03, 11:11 AM (EST) 6. "RE: Butch's "Dave" vote.." >Feel free to call me stupid, but I can't see how Matt is as dumb to the game as they are making him out to be. I think he is playing Rob like a trumpet. rob has made many statements indicating that he is playing the game full on. he has called himself the chess master. he has even remarked at how he is playing matt. matt has said that he has learned what he knows about the game from rob. HOWEVER, we all know that strategies revealed don't win. so i conclude that rob gets taken out at some point by matt's efforts. the teacher gets beaten by the student. i also think that butch will be a part of it. he is down to slim pickings from his original alliance. he really has no choice for survival other than to go with christy and matt.   Top

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