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"RAGE FOR ORDER: HELP!!!"
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"RAGE FOR ORDER: HELP!!!" |
LAST EDITED ON 06-14-02 AT 01:43 PM (EST)Some ppl on the abc boards claim that the next person executed can be deduced from the order the players have been introduced; that there is a "pattern", although they will not give details. Does anyone have the orders from episodes 2 & 3? I have the ones from 1, 4, and 5, so once we get them all, maybe we can crack this together and test the theory for validity. (They also claim that based on their pattern Myra is next) OK HERE IS THE INFO FOR THOSE WHO CARE The * indicates who is executed on the NEXT episode
EPISODE 1 ORDER:
1. Al 2. Katie 3. *Ali 4. Bill 5. Myra
6. Dorothy 7. Bob 8. Bribs 9. Darwin 10. Patrick
11. Heathe 12. Elavia 13. Lisa 14. RobEPISODE 2 ORDER:
1. Al 2. Heather 3. Bribs 4. Elavia 5. Bill
6. Katie 7. Rob 8. *Lisa 9. Ali 10. Patrick
11. Myra 12. Darwin 13. Dorothy EPISODE 3 ORDER:
1. Al 2. Heather 3. Bribs 4. Elavia 5. Bill
6. Katie 7. Rob 8. Lisa 9. *Patrick 10. Myra
11. Darwin 12. Dorothy EPISODE 4 ORDER:
1. Al 2. Heather 3. Bribs 4. Elavia 5. Bill
6. Katie 7. *Rob 8. Patrick 9. Myra 10. Darwin
11. Dorothy EPISODE 5 ORDER:
1. Al 2. Heather 3. Bribs 4. Elavia 5. Bill
6. Katie 7. Rob 8. *Myra 9. Darwin 10. Dorothy
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1. "No changes 4 to 5" |
The actual order remained the same between eps 4 & 5, except that Patrick had been removed once booted and those behind him in the order moved up a spot.During the last Survivor, the spoilers board was inundated by charts by someone claiming to be able to detect patterns based on their order in the intro. Turns out the guy was just blowing smoke until one of his buddies got voted off the show. That being said, I do think it's interesting that there was a big scramble at some point after E1. Why not just keep them in the same order and pull out the eliminated as time goes on? And why keep Al in the top spot and move all of the others? Rude, snotty, mean, horrible, nasty, witch, yadda yadda yadda...
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06-13-02, 11:37 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: No changes 4 to 5" |
So the question is really what was the order in ep.2? Or at least, where in the list did Lisa and Ali fall?
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5. "or find the mole" |
Of course you could always use that complicated formula to show how Pi relates to a specific player being the mole. 
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14. "RE: or find the mole" |
No, Dorothy had two pieces of cake. Since she eats cake, not pie, she cannot be the Mole.Didn't Myra refuse a piece of cake? Does that mean she likes pie more than cake? Does that mean she's the Mole? Rude, snotty, mean, horrible, nasty, witch, yadda yadda yadda...
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06-13-02, 11:51 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: RAGE FOR ORDER: HELP!!!" |
It appears those in the 7th position are the next to go. Bob was 7th and he went..Rob was 7th, he went...In episode 6 perhaps Myra is 7th as she'd take over Rob's vacant spot and gets booted. What do you think?
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8. "RE: RAGE FOR ORDER: HELP!!!" |
This is what I thought at first, but like I said if Myra is supposed to be next, then she should have been 7th THIS week. These abc goons could have been talking out their rears, too, for all I know, but I luv me a good cloo...
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9. "RE: RAGE FOR ORDER: HELP!!!" |
She will be 7th in the next episode..meaning that's the time she goes. Bob was 7th in the first ep. and that's when he got the ax. Right??? LOL
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11. "RE: RAGE FOR ORDER: HELP!!!" |
Why do you have Rob in the 7th position in Episode 5 then? Myra is in 8th in your example. By looking at what you have posted, Rob would leave and Myra would move up to the 7th position and she'd get the ax in episode 6. Did you type something wrong in your first post???
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16. "RE: RAGE FOR ORDER: HELP!!!" |
Sorry guys, but i don't see a pattern at all...Gee, i really dont have a feeling that Myra is going though, I really think its Al...and my instincts have been right so far. Myra just doesn't make sense going this early, and plus, If you go to the website, her and Dorothy are the only two people to get a POST game question in there Bios...thats a little suspicious to me. So now my question is: Do i trust my gut and keep her on my anti-executee list? Or do i follow the sheep and lose my place... ?
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17. "Execution "Pattern" Theory" |
LAST EDITED ON 06-26-02 AT 05:47 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 06-19-02 AT 03:05 PM (EST) Edited 06-19-02 by pabby to add Episode 6 execution results
Edited 06-26-02 by pabby to add Episode 7 elimination results I noticed this almost immediately when I looked over cyclehausen's great job of listing the intros for each episode. I don't know if this is even close to being the pattern everyone is referring to, or whether I can explain it clearly, but hear goes. (I'm repeating cyclehausen's list below with two revisions -- the player in red is executed IN THAT EPISODE and the player in green is executed in the NEXT WEEK'S EPISODE.) I haven't figured out how to determine who the first player was to be executed in Episode 1, but if you start working from there: .......EP 1.........EP 2.........EP 3..........EP 4..........EP 5........EP 6........EP 7
.(1)..Al............Al.............Al.............Al.............Al............Al...........Al
.(2)..Katie........Heather.....Heather.....Heather.....Heather....Heather...Heather
.(3)..Ali...........Bribs.........Bribs..........Bribs.........Bribs.........Bribs......Bribs
.(4)..Bill...........Elavia........Elavia........Elavia........Elavia........Elavia....Elavia
.(5)..Myra........Bill............Bill.............Bill............Bill............Bill........Bill
.(6)..Dorothy....Katie.........Katie.........Katie.........Katie......? Katie ?...Katie
.(7)..Bob.........Rob...........Rob...........Rob..........Rob..........Myra.....Darwin
.(8)..Bribs........Lisa..........Lisa.........Patrick...? Myra ?......Darwin.....Dorothy
.(9)..Darwin.....Ali............Patrick......Myra.........Darwin.......Dorothy
(10)..Patrick.....Patrick.......Myra.........Darwin.......Dorothy
(11)..Heather...Myra..........Darwin.......Dorothy
(12)..Elavia......Darwin.......Dorothy
(13)..Lisa.........Dorothy
(14)..Rob The pattern I see emerging goes like this: Ali was executed in Episode 2
-- The player introduced before Ali that night was LISA Lisa was executed in Episode 3
-- The player introduced after Lisa that night was PATRICK Patrick was executed in Episode 4
-- The player introduced before Patrick that night was ROB Rob was executed in Episode 5
-- The player introduced after Rob that night was MYRA Is Myra the next to be executed? EPISODE 6 UPDATE:
Myra was, in fact, executed in Episode 6
-- The player introduced before Myra that night was KATIE Is Katie the next to be executed? (See my post below regarding the qualifier on Katie's possible impending execution -- there is a potential bribe to take into consideration in Episode 7) EPISODE 7 UPDATE:
There was no execution for Episode 7 --
Elavia accepted a "bribe" of $50,000 to remove herself from the game and, as a result, the lowest score on the quiz was never revealed and no player was executed Has the Introduction Order Pattern Theory fallen apart? It would certainly appear so.
I had great concerns when Katie appeared next in line for execution for Episode 7, as she is one of my top Mole suspects. However, I thought with the "bribe" coming into play, there might still be hope for the pattern to continue -- especially if the introduction lineup had shuffled, but this proved not to be. So, it seems we've hit a dead end . . .
Or, will this week's bribe be considered a "free" space?
Will the pattern resume with Katie being executed next?
Or, will the pattern shift up the list to Elavia's elimination with Bribs being executed next?
Or, will the introduction lineup change altogether beginning with Episode 8? I've always said I remained skeptical of this or any other pattern . . . but it's been fun speculating! =========================================================== The only episode the pattern doesn't fit is the first. If you try to apply it to the player executed in that first episode -- Bob -- it would lead you to believe that the player who should have been executed the following week was the person introduced after Bob -- BRIBS. Or, you could also approach it from the other angle in that Ali (who was executed in the second episode) should have been introduced after the player executed in the first episode. However, Ali was introduced after KATIE in the first episode. So, I'm not sure what to make of that. Is it possible that the inconsistency in the pattern of the first episode is meant to point us to the Mole? Is the Mole, in fact, Bribs or Katie? Or, does the pattern only give a clue as to the order of execution? Could the Mole be Al (who is the only player so far who has never changed positions in the introduction lineup)? I'm beginning to think that the most accurate conclusion is that my theory of this alleged "pattern" is more likely the ramblings of an addicted fan all too obsessive about this game! T G I F !!!!!
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06-14-02, 05:26 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: Execution "Pattern" Theory" |
LAST EDITED ON 06-17-02 AT 02:47 AM (EST)I'm beginning to think that the most accurate conclusion is that my theory of this alleged "pattern" is more likely the ramblings of an addicted fan all too obsessive about this game! I tend to agree with you, but I also believe that you have found the pattern to which they have been alluding...kudos! So, if we keep following the pattern: Ep 6: myra executed, Katie is next
Ep 7: katie executed, Darwin next
Ep 8: darwin executed, Bill next
Ep 9: bill executed, Dorothy next
Ep 10: dorothy executed, Elavia next
Ep 11: elavia executed... Leaving Al, Heather and Bribs.....which works back around to Bribs' name being next to Bob's in episode 1.. Maybe it's something, maybe not....pretty much every theory is going to be blown out of the water if this holds up! I also want to mention that the abc goons who claim to have found this pattern say it points to Elavia winning, and Bill being the Mole, so we havent totally cracked it, but I'm sooo tired of trying to figure out something that may or may not actually be there. "I am an unlimited person, sadly living in a limited world."-Harlan Ellison
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19. "RE: Execution "Pattern" Theory" |
So far...so good...i think you are on to something since myra is gone..So Long Katie next week....
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06-19-02, 12:16 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: Execution "Pattern" Theory" |
Here's something I just discovered.Take a look at episode 2's order: ....Lisa, Ali, Patrick...
Ali was executed (red), Lisa was next (green), Patrick was executed after Lisa. And he is on the other side of Ali. Coincidence? I think not! Look at episode 3: ....Rob, Lisa, Patrick...
Lisa was given the axe (red), Patrick went in episode 4, and guess who was after Patrick? Yeppers! It's Rob! Episode 4: ....Rob, Patrick, Myra...
Patrick: gone. Rob next. Myra after Rob. Seeing the pattern? Episode 5: ....Katie, Rob, Myra...
Rob executed, then Myra last night, Katie next week? I didn't tape episode 6, but assuming the order didn't change, it would be in this order: Al, Heather, Bribs, Elavia, Bill, Katie, Myra, Darwin, Dorothy (I think that's right). Following the pattern, the person before the executee will go in episode 7 (Katie) and the person after the executee will be gone in episode 8 (Darwin). So not only do we need to have the people in green and red, we need to have a new one in...say...yellow? Executee Executed next episode Executed in two weeks Episode 6 Order
Al
Heather
Bribs
Elavia
Bill
Katie
Myra
Darwin
Dorothy Continuing the pattern... Episode 7 Order (assuming nobody changes places)
Al
Heather
Bribs
Elavia
Bill
Katie
Darwin
Dorothy I hope I'm wrong about that because I still think Bill is the mole. I didn't really change the theory, just amended it a little. Now maybe we can foreshadow someone else's demise a little earlier! Sorry the yellow is so hard to read! Comprende?
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25. "RE: Execution "Pattern" Theory" |
Would they have an execution if somebody left with the money? I don't think so, but who knows?
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06-19-02, 01:23 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Execution "Pattern" Theory" |
I posted the original "pattern" theory above, but I'm still not totally convinced of its accuracy since I can't tie Episode 1 to everything else that follows.However, I don't think we can really try to predict beyond the next week's episode, because the introduction order could possibly change in any given week. I realize it has remained unchanged since the second episode thus far, but there's no guarantee it won't change at some point in the future. Alot of people (including myself) count Bill and Katie in their top Mole suspects. But, if we assume the pattern is correct and the intro lineup remains unchanged, neither Bill nor Katie will make it to the final three. However, if you consider that the intro lineup may be different in next week's episode, Bill could still be in the game. Also, there is the possible $50,000 "bribe" coming into play next week, which could allow either of them to remain (or go) and also affect the subsequent lineups. After all, we don't know for certain whether one or two players will leave next week (one bribed and one executed). Therefore, I don't try to apply the pattern much beyond the next week's episode and, even then, I'm still skeptical. That's why I've put my theory out there so we can all discuss it -- I'm not claiming to have found the so-called "oracle" -- it's just that, so far, this is simply the only "pattern" I have noticed in the executions.
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06-19-02, 01:48 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: Execution "Pattern" Theory" |
When looking at episode 1 you can take the first letters of the names and along with Bill you get..AKA BILL MD Maybe this is the reason the first episode is listed differently than the rest...Who is the Mole? AKA Bill MD I think they stress him being an Admiral more than a Doctor to maybe keep us off track...What do you think?
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28. "RE: Execution "Pattern" Theory" |
Since Elivia took a bribe and was not executed it could have postponed this theory for one week. Katie shouldhave been the next executed in this theory and she was. If this thery is right then darwin is the next to go.
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29. "RE: RAGE FOR ORDER: HELP!!!" |
With the execution of Katie, can we assume that Elavia was an anomaly? So, that would make Darwin next?
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07-03-02, 11:54 AM (EST)
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30. "Updated" |
EPISODE 6 ORDER:
1. Al 2. Heather 3. Bribs 4. Elavia 5. Bill
6. Katie 7. *Rob 8. Darwin 9. DorothyEPISODE 7:
1. Al 2. Heather 3. Bribs 4. **Elavia 5. Bill
6. Katie 7. Darwin 8. Dorothy
** left game, not eliminated EPISODE 8:
1. Al 2. Heather 3. Bribs 4. Bill
5. *Katie 6. Darwin 7. Dorothy If I understand the theory right, that means that the rest of the order would be: Darwin
Bill
Dorothy Leaving Al, Heather, and Bribs for the final episode - 2 finalists and one Mole.
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07-03-02, 12:01 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: RAGE FOR ORDER: HELP!!!" |
EPISODE 1 ORDER:
1. Al 2. Katie 3. *Ali 4. Bill 5. Myra
6. Dorothy 7. Bob 8. Bribs 9. Darwin 10. Patrick
11. Heathe 12. Elavia 13. Lisa 14. Rob
EPISODE 2 ORDER:
1. Al 2. Heather 3. Bribs 4. Elavia 5. Bill
6. Katie 7. Rob 8. *Lisa 9. Ali 10. Patrick
11. Myra 12. Darwin 13. DorothyEPISODE 3 ORDER:
1. Al 2. Heather 3. Bribs 4. Elavia 5. Bill
6. Katie 7. Rob 8. Lisa 9. *Patrick 10. Myra
11. Darwin 12. Dorothy EPISODE 4 ORDER:
1. Al 2. Heather 3. Bribs 4. Elavia 5. Bill
6. Katie 7. *Rob 8. Patrick 9. Myra 10. Darwin
11. Dorothy EPISODE 5 ORDER:
1. Al 2. Heather 3. Bribs 4. Elavia 5. Bill
6. Katie 7. Rob 8. *Myra 9. Darwin 10. Dorothy Ep 6:
1. Al 2. Heather 3. Bribs 4. $$Elavia 5. Bill
6. Katie 7. Myra 8. Darwin 9. Dorothy
Ep. 7:
1. Al 2. Heather 3. Bribs 4. Elavia 5. Bill
6. *Katie 7. Darwin 8. Dorothy Ep. 8:
1. Al 2. Heather 3. Bribs 4. Bill
5. Katie 6. ?Darwin 7. Dorothy It sure looks like next-x will be: 8: Darwin
9: Bill
10: Dorothy
11: Bribs
12: Heather/Al winner/mole?
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34. "RE: RAGE FOR ORDER: HELP!!!" |
Darwin better not go, he's my dawg! I mean, if he goes, I can forget PTTE (which I've been lucky in the past few weeks!) He is my mole pick, and this is just a theory, right? Of course, I wouldn't mind this being correct, because that means my babe, Bribs, gets to hang around till the end. Score! He's my eye candy. I mean, besides Bill. Those voluptuous curves are yummy... Please notice the sarcasm. ^_^
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37. "RE: RAGE FOR ORDER: HELP!!!" |
I don't see any truth to this rumor
You are all figments of my imagination! Now go away!
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38. "RE: RAGE FOR ORDER: HELP!!!" |
It is possible, since it deemed Elavia winner. But, if it did that, maybe it skipped the mole earlier on. If Darwin isn't executed this week (which he won't cuz he's the mole,) and the Oracle predicted person leaves next week, I'm going to say that Darwin's the mole. Of course, if Darwin is executed, I'm afraid I'll be camping out with the Bribs FOMOs. Of course, there have been so many Darwin FOMOs added lately, it would be horrible to see him executed. Blah. He won't be though, because he's the mole.
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39. "RE: RAGE FOR ORDER: HELP!!!" |
this will be really interesting to see if this pattern holds for episode 9... so far, it's been somewhat accurate... but why would ABC do something like this? isn't the whole point to keep the mole a secret? i mean, if we're not suuposed to know for sure who the mole is until the end, why make a pattern like this where we can sit back and predict who the mole is? doesnt that defeat the purpose of the game and real clues, if we can make predictions based on the orders people are introduced? arg dont mind me, i'm just rambling... i actually think this whole pattern thing is really cool ^_^ anyways, epp 9 will be interesting... i'm intrigued by the notion of AC getting tipsy a77u12a
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40. "New Pattern" |
LAST EDITED ON 07-09-02 AT 01:49 PM (EST)Alright I figgured out something different about the intro. order. The order is...
1.Al
2.Katie
3.Ali
4.Bill
5.Myra
6.Dorothy
7.Bob
8.Bribs
9.Darwin
10.Patrick
11.Heather
12.Elavia
13.Lisa
14.Rob Episode 2 with changes.
1.Al(0)
2.Heather(9 up)
3.Bribs(5 up)
4.Elavia(8 up)
5.Bill(1 down)
6.Katie(4 down)
7.Rob(7 up)
8.Lisa(5 up)
9.Ali(6 down)
10.Patrick(0)
11.Myra(6 down)
12.Darwin(3 down)
13.Dorothy(7 down) Even Changes-Myra,Patrick,Katie,Elavia,Ali,Al
Odd Changes-Heather,Bribs,Bill,Rob,Lisa,Darwin,Dorothy
The only odds executed were Rob and Lisa but they were on a duplicate change number.
5-Lisa/Bribs
7-Rob/Dorothy
So it just happens that the 2 executed odds had the same change number with someone else. Even
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0-Al-Maybe Next?
2-For some reason no one switched 2
4-Katie-gone
6-Myra/Ali-gone
8-Elavia-gone Is Al next? Odd
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1-Bill
3-Darwin
5-Lisa/Bribs
7-Rob/Dorothy
9-Heather Now these are the ones left... Even
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0-Al Odd
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1-Bill
3-Darwin
5-Bribs
7-Dorothy
9-Heather The Lowest numbers would go to the last 3.So the order should be...
Al
Heather
Dorothy
Bribs
Darwin(Winner)
Bill(Mole) What do you'll think?
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43. "RE: New Pattern" |
You didn't just happen to finish watching "A Beautiful Mind", did you?  I would have never found this pattern. Quite interesting.
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44. "Who will be the winner/mole?" |
I've held faith in the Oracle since I first heard of it on the ABC board. Has anyone figured out how the order of the final three - Bribs, Heather & Al will play out?It seems that Bribs will be the eliminated player because he now falls in line next in the pattern (thanks to Elavia taking the Bribe, otherwise the pattern would have stopped). That leaves Al & Heather as the winner & mole. (Remember, this is based on the intro order only, not any actions or behaviors that the players have done)
Could Heather be the mole because she is listed second in the intro order (which would make sense because this is the Mole 2). Could Al be the winner because he has been first in the intro order for every episode (#1=winner). Could Heather be the winner because in the pattern, after Bribs is eliminated, that leaves Heather as the only other "player". Is it possible that the Oracle was put in by the producers not as a clue but just for fun. Maybe to see if anyone would be able to find it. Did we ever think as to how someone found this? It could be someone with lots of time on their hands or it could be someone was tipped off by somebody connected to the show. The only problem I have with the Oracle is that Al & his big stinkin' feet will be with us 'till the end.
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46. "RE: Execution Pattery Theory" |
First, let me say that I am the one who first posted the "Execution Pattern Theory" above, and I do not have any connections to the show (nor do I have lots of time on my hands!).  In fact, as you can see from my DAW number, I don't have much spare time at all to post to these boards. Second, let me remind everyone that the "EPT" I posted here is not the same as the "Oracle" which was posted on the ABC Boards. These are two different theories. The "ABC Oracle" fell apart when Myra was executed and, from my understanding, is no longer in play. As I have previously repeated many times, I have always remained skeptical of this pattern . . . mainly because I just didn't believe the producers would use something this easy to see as a clue. However, I have also cautioned everyone not to assume the Mole and winner can be determined that far in advance. Remember, the execution pattern is based on the previous week's Introduction Lineup . . . which could possibly be changed at any time (the first week's lineup is different from all of the rest). Also, there was Elavia's bribe tossed in which threw all of us for a loop for that week. So far, the pattern has held up to this point . . . predicting Darwin's demise this week. I'm in the process of updating the pattern to include Episode 9, although I suppose I will remain skeptical of the EPT until the very end. So, please don't anyone think I'm bragging about finding this . . . I probably have less confidence in it than anyone! In fact, I hadn't really looked at the Introduction Order that closely until Cycle posted it back in June, but as soon as I saw the lists for the first five episodes, the pattern was obvious to me. BTW -- Coincidentally, based totally on my observations of each episode, my top Mole suspects are still Heather (since Day 1) and Al (strongly since Episode 5). Katie was also in my top three right up to her execution, so that just goes to show how little I thought of my own pattern theory! 
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47. "Execution Pattern Theory (Updated through Episode 9)" |
LAST EDITED ON 07-12-02 AT 05:38 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 07-12-02 AT 05:32 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 07-12-02 AT 05:16 PM (EST) Sorry, everyone . . . the 20,000 minute time limit for editing has locked me out of my previous post on the Execution Pattery Theory, so I've posted it again which is edited through Episode 9 (Dwindling Darwin's Downfall) for anyone who's interested. Originally posted 06-14-02 by pabby after Episode 5
Edited 06-19-02 by pabby to add Episode 6 execution results
Edited 06-26-02 by pabby to add Episode 7 elimination results
Edited 07-03-02 by pabby to add Episode 8 execution results
Edited 07-10-02 by pabby to add Episode 9 execution results NOTE: OK, folks, this is bizarre . . . I never thought the pattern would hold up this long, but we're now through Episode 9 and still on track. Holy Schnikees! ================================================================ I noticed this almost immediately when I looked over cyclehausen's great job of listing the intros for each episode. I don't know if this is even close to being the pattern everyone is referring to, or whether I can explain it clearly, but hear goes. (I'm repeating cyclehausen's list below with two revisions -- the player in red is executed IN THAT EPISODE and the player in green is executed in the NEXT WEEK'S EPISODE.) I haven't figured out how to determine who the first player was to be executed in Episode 1, but if you start working from there: ......EP 1......EP 2......EP 3.......EP 4.......EP 5......EP 6.......EP 7......EP 8.......EP 9
.(1).Al.........Al..........Al..........Al..........Al..........Al..........Al..........Al..........Al
.(2).Katie.....Heather..Heather..Heather..Heather..Heather..Heather..Heather..Heather
.(3).Ali........Bribs......Bribs.......Bribs......Bribs......Bribs......Bribs......Bribs......Bribs
.(4).Bill........Elavia.....Elavia.....Elavia.....Elavia.....Elavia....Elavia....Bill......? Bill ?
.(5).Myra.....Bill.........Bill..........Bill.........Bill.........Bill........Bill.........Katie.....Darwin
.(6).Dorothy.Katie......Katie......Katie......Katie......Katie....Katie......Darwin...Dorothy
.(7).Bob......Rob........Rob........Rob.......Rob.......Myra....Darwin....Dorothy
.(8).Bribs.....Lisa.......Lisa.......Patrick...Myra.....Darwin...Dorothy
.(9).Darwin...Ali.........Patrick...Myra......Darwin...Dorothy
(10).Patrick...Patrick...Myra......Darwin....Dorothy
(11).Heather..Myra.....Darwin....Dorothy
(12).Elavia....Darwin...Dorothy
(13).Lisa......Dorothy
(14).Rob The pattern I see emerging goes like this: Ali was executed in Episode 2
-- The player introduced before Ali that night was LISA Lisa was executed in Episode 3
-- The player introduced after Lisa that night was PATRICK Patrick was executed in Episode 4
-- The player introduced before Patrick that night was ROB Rob was executed in Episode 5
-- The player introduced after Rob that night was MYRA Is Myra the next to be executed? EPISODE 6 UPDATE:
Myra was, in fact, executed in Episode 6
-- The player introduced before Myra that night was KATIE Is Katie the next to be executed? (See below regarding the qualifier on Katie's possible impending execution -- there is a potential bribe to take into consideration in Episode 7) EPISODE 7 UPDATE: There was no execution for Episode 7
Elavia accepted a "bribe" of $50,000 to remove herself from the game and, as a result, the lowest score on the quiz was never revealed and no player was executed. Elavia can be disregarded in the execution pattern, because she was not executed . . . she was eliminated by removing herself. QUALIFIER: Will Episode 7's bribe be considered a "free" space? Since Elavia was not actually "executed," she would not be considered part of the execution pattern.
Will the pattern resume with Katie being executed next? Just for fun . . . If we continue the pattern disregarding Elavia's bribe . . . Is Katie the next to be executed? EPISODE 8 UPDATE:
Katie was, in fact, executed in Episode 8
-- The player introduced after Katie that night was DARWIN Is Darwin the next to be executed? EPISODE 9 UPDATE:
Darwin was, in fact, executed in Episode 9
-- The player introduced before Darwin that night was BILL Is Bill the next to be executed? ================================================================ I've always said I remained skeptical of this or any other pattern . . . but it's been fun speculating! ================================================================ The only episode the pattern doesn't fit is the first. If you try to apply it to the player executed in that first episode -- Bob -- it would lead you to believe that the player who should have been executed the following week was the person introduced after Bob -- BRIBS. Or, you could also approach it from the other angle in that Ali (who was executed in the second episode) should have been introduced after the player executed in the first episode. However, Ali was introduced after KATIE in the first episode. So, I'm not sure what to make of that. Is it possible that the inconsistency in the pattern of the first episode is meant to point us to the Mole? Is the Mole, in fact, Bribs? (Katie was eliminated from contention in Episode 8.) Or, does the pattern only give a clue as to the order of execution? Could the Mole be Al (who is the only player so far who has never changed positions in the introduction lineup)? ==================================================================== OR, is it possible that the first episode's lineup is different because this is the Mole 2, so the pattern is meant to begin with the 2nd episode? ==================================================================== I'm beginning to think that the most accurate conclusion is that my theory of this alleged "pattern" is more likely the ramblings of an addicted fan all too obsessive about this game! T G I F !!!!!
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07-10-02, 12:05 PM (EST)
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48. "RE: Execution Pattern Theory (Updated through Episode 9)" |
I believe this pattern will fall apart next week. Because they can't execute the mole. And Bill is the MOLE.
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50. "RE: Execution Pattern Theory (Updated through Episode 9)" |
i'm with ya! darwin, you'll be sorely missed, and bill... you need to go bye bye
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51. "RE: Execution Pattern Theory (Updated through Episode 9)" |
I'm sorry if I have offended you Pabby . I didn't mean to insinuate that you (or cycle) are losers with a lot of time on your hands. Kudos to you on all your work with the EPT. I may be a new poster but I have been reading these forums for a while.
Once again Pabby, sorry
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52. "RE: Execution Pattern Theory (Updated through Episode 9)" |
Sorry about calling your great theory the Oracle sometimes... I don't believe the real Oracle one, so if I goof up again, know that I mean your theory. Thanks!
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Quotes of the week:
1. "Al, do you think you could move just a little?"-Myra
2. "Ewww... Patrick, no... I don't want to see that."-Heather
3. "I really hope Darwin doesn't realize I have a coalition with Dorothy, or... that could be bad."-Lisa
4. "Gas station attendants... They no NOTHING about flat tires... Let's ask these tourists!"-Darwin
5. "I swear, Rob, if this freaks me out I'm gonna punch you."-Anderson
6. "Those hills are a b!tch."-Anderson
7. "Um, thanks guys for not liking me!" (waves the $ at them)-Elavia
8. "They do look like piercing blue eyes, Heather, but I don't get it. He's totally making out with (that girl)."- Bribs
9. "I was a little surprised when Anderson came into my room in a suit. He usually just comes into my room in his pajamas, just his bottoms usually."-Darwin
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54. "RE: Execution Pattern Theory (Updated through Episode 9)" |
LAST EDITED ON 07-11-02 AT 03:03 PM (EST)Your theory is getting way too scary!
A thought on Ep1/2. Bribs (who was in the EPT execution position) moves to the position in Ep2 that Ali (who was executed) held in Ep1 (position 3). The way the theory works eliminates all higher positions first leaving 1,2 and 3 untouched.
Given ABC's intelligence, I can imagine them screwing up (gasp) the Ep1 intro (ie Ali should have been where Bribs was and vice versa) and some bright assistant producer fixing it after Ep1 aired by making the order fixed so no-one could screw it up again.
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56. "RE: Execution Pattern Theory (Updated through Episode 9)" |
Pabby wrote: "OR, is it possible that the first episode's lineup is different because this is the Mole 2, so the pattern is meant to begin with the 2nd episode?"Verrrrrrry Interesting, Pabby! Could it be the 1st 3 spots are the final lineup - 1) Al's the mole, 2) Heather the winner, and 3) Bribs in 2nd place? I've been thinking Al since early on so this would be great! I also think Bill should have been gone long ago. I am skeptical of patterns too, but think about this - what draws you to The Mole instead of other reality shows? My family and I were drawn to this show from the start because it requires you to THINK! Not like other shows based mostly on luck. It's obvious from most of the posts on this board (including your pattern theory) that it takes a little intelligence to really enjoy this show - something much of this world is lacking these days. So thanks for showing this pattern and please keep us updated. I for one will enjoy watching the rest of it play out.
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57. "RE: Execution Pattern Theory (Updated through Episode 9)" |
Hmmmmm.... That theory is pretty scarry.... I am sticking with Dorothy being the mole.... Why you may ask, well during the previews for the next show, Dorothy asks Heather who she wants to get rid of next.... Now, how does she know who to knock off if she doesen't know who the mole is. And if she is not 100%, how can she create an alliance with someone without being 100%.. The only way one can be 100% is if he/she is the mole... Therefore, Dorothy is the Mole....
On the last show, Dorothy somehow came up with the combo at the last min... And the way she said she got the combo. did not make sense.. When the answer to the combo was right in front of them...
In the episode where Elavia walked away, Dorothy said in one of the final shots of the show, she asked her why she left when the 2 of them could have knock off the rest of them 1 by 1... How could they do that? Easy,remember when Doothy got hold of Elavia's book, sh said so you think that I may be the mole... Elavia thought Dorothy was the mole, so she would get the questions correct, therefore stay in the game... Dorothy is the mole, therefore she will stay in the game... That is how they would be able to knock them off 1 by 1.....
This is a little wordy, but it is just my theory....
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60. "RE: Execution Pattern Theory (Updated through Episode 9)" |
On the last show, Dorothy somehow came up with the combo at the last min... And the way she said she got the combo. did not make sense.. When the answer to the combo was right in front of them . . .
Posted by Gypsiwynd on 07-14-02I don't think Dorothy was saying that she had figured out the clue which then allowed her to guess the combination. I think she simply guessed the combination after trying various numbers and then tried to find an explanation to fit the combination. I've seen several instances in which Dorothy and I tend to think alike. If it were me, even though I had found the correct combination, my mind wouldn't accept that it was totally random. I would continue to try to find a way to tie it to something else which would explain why that particular number was chosen. I think she was simply trying various combinations based on dwindling numbers . . . 9876, 8765, 7654, 6543, 5432, 4321, 3210 . . . and when none of those worked, she tried them in reverse . . . 0123, 1234, 2345, 3456. The others, and especially Darwin, had already agreed that the key to finding the combination was probably the "dwindling numbers" phrase in the clue back at the hotel. I think Dorothy's explanation that (to paraphrase) the combination made sense, in a way, because there were six players left in the game which would eventually dwindle down to three was Dorothy's attempt to find an explanation to fit the combination. She, like the others, hadn't noticed that these numbers had been taken from the car's odometer until Bill pointed it out to everyone later -- after she had found the combination. I think Dorothy has a very analytical mind, and even when she deduces or even stumbles upon an answer, her mind still looks for a connection to tie everything together. Granted, she used the "dwindling number" clue to start from, but she wasn't the only one who agreed that they should base their guesses on that. And, it was still a matter of trial-and-error until she found the "correct" set of numbers (which also then had to be transposed to increasing order, rather than decreasing order). I think after Dorothy found the correct combination, she was still trying to figure out what might have pointed to that particular set of numbers (3456) out of the fourteen possible combinations based on their theory. In her mind, she still felt there was another qualifier which pointed to 6543 which would have enabled them to pick that set from all of the other possibilities. She incorrectly theorized that it was based on the number of players at that point. It was, in fact, based on the reading on the car's odometer. And, don't worry . . . I was much more wordier than you, Gypsiwynd!
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61. "Another Abberation, But . . ." |
I've been extremely impressed with the reliability of the EPT throughout the course of this show. While some people may think that Episode 10 has sunk the theory, I'm not quite so sure. About halfway through Ep. 10, I turned to my mom and told her that if Bill wasn't eliminated, it would be Bribs.Up until this point, we've had two abberations in the pattern. The first was the unique introduction order of the first episode, the second was the round that Elavia took the exemption. While the first has continued to be somewhat mysterious, the second has been rationalized by the fact that Elavia was bribed, not executed. While Ep. 10 provided a third abberation, it also seems to be logical in my point of view. The current introduction order, as it was left last episode: Al
Heather
Bribs
Bill
Darwin (Executed, go up to Bill)
Dorothy The first introduction order provided the clue "AKA Bill," which many people have used to argue that Bill was the mole.Suppose this clue from the first introduction order grants Bill special status and that he is immune from the order. The logical person to go then would be Bribs. Al
Heather
Bribs (Executed Ep. 10, go down to Dorothy)
Bill (Immune due to "AKA Bill")
Darwin (Executed Ep. 9, go up to Bribs)
Dorothy Therefore, Dorothy would still be the person executed in the next episode, leaving a final three of Bill, Al, and Heather.
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63. "Agree" |
In fact, this is exactly why I picked Bribs to go this week ... but I didn't want to admit to it, in case we BILLFOMOs were toast after this show. However, while I was afraid to post this theory ... iggyboop wasn't.As you note, the remaining order, per the modified pabby theory, is:
Dorothy,
Heather,
Al (winner),
Bill (mole)
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