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"Obamacare meets the Supreme Court"
This week is the showdown in the Supreme Court, and I'm already starting to feel like the newspapers and Web sites are reporting on all-Obamacare, all the time.

The court cases will proceed in 4 parts:

Monday (90 minutes): standing (in other words, is anyone even permitted to challenge Obamacare yet since the law mostly hasn't taken effect?). This issue has been grafted on to this case because it has been coming up in a number of cases over the past 20 years, and it's time for the Supreme Court to issue a definitive ruling one way or the other on such challenges. It's a gating issue here; if the court decides that there isn't standing, then the case goes away. However, it's being watched to see what general guidelines the court will create on this issue, which will extend way beyond Obamacare.

Tuesday (120 min.): constitutionality of purchase mandate. This is the heart of the Obamacare case. Once more, we examine the limits of the horrible (in my opinion) New Deal Supreme Court decision Wickard v. Filburn, albeit from a different perspective. To me, it seems highly likely that the Court will decide that there are limits on Commerce Clause power. Which leads to. . .

Wednesday (90 minutes): severance. Normally, the remaining provisions in laws passed by Congress that have a provision struck down by the courts take effect anyway. However, for Obamacare, Congress added a provision that, if the purchase mandate was struck down, the whole bill was void. This is an examination of that issue. Then, later in the day. . .

Wednesday (60 minutes): federal coercion. This bill threatens all kinds of draconian cutoffs of federal aid to states for states that do not comply with Obamacare. In another infamous Supreme Court decision, South Dakota v. Dole, the Supreme Court held 7-2 that Congress could cut off some federal highway aid to states that didn't adopt a minimum drinking age of 21. (The libertarian O'Connor and the liberal Brennan dissented.) Basically, since then, Congress has applied that rule as if there were no boundaries. This session is to determine whether there are any boundaries to it. Like Monday's session, the issue is not really focused on Obamacare, but it's relevant to Obamacare.

In short, of the four Supreme Court sessions, two are focused on issues that exist independently of Obamacare (standing and federal coercion), with Obamacare just being used as a peg for the re-examination of those issues. One (severance) is based on an exemption to an established rule that Congress included in Obamacare. And only one (purchase mandate) is really based on whether or not any part of Obamacare will ever become law, so that day (Tuesday) will be the real focal point.

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 Obamacare meets the Supreme Court   AyaK     03-24-12       
   RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   Estee     03-24-12     1  
     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   AyaK     03-25-12     6  
   RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   kingfish     03-24-12     2  
     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   foonermints     03-24-12     3  
         RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   kingfish     03-24-12     4  
   A legal question.   Max Headroom     03-24-12     5  
     RE: A legal question.   AyaK     03-25-12     7  
   Day 1   AyaK     03-26-12     8  
   RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   kingfish     03-27-12     9  
     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   AyaK     03-28-12     10  
   Transcripts   AyaK     03-28-12     11  
     RE: Transcripts   Estee     03-28-12     12  
         RE: Transcripts   ginger     03-29-12     13  
             RE: Transcripts   ginger     03-29-12     14  
                 RE: Transcripts   kingfish     03-29-12     15  
                     RE: Transcripts   ginger     04-04-12     19  
                         RE: Transcripts   kingfish     04-04-12     21  
                             RE: Transcripts   AyaK     04-04-12     26  
             RE: Transcripts   AyaK     03-29-12     16  
                 RE: Transcripts   ginger     04-04-12     20  
                     RE: Transcripts   AyaK     04-04-12     23  
                         RE: Transcripts   newsomewayne     04-04-12     24  
   Obama: open mouth, insert foot   AyaK     04-03-12     17  
     RE: Obama: open mouth, insert foot   bondt007     04-04-12     18  
         RE: Obama: open mouth, insert foot   samboohoo     04-04-12     22  
             RE: Obama: open mouth, insert foot   AyaK     04-04-12     28  
     The Explanation   dabo     04-04-12     25  
         RE: The Explanation   AyaK     04-04-12     27  
             RE: The Explanation   KeithFan     04-04-12     29  
             RE: The Explanation   dabo     04-04-12     30  
                 RE: The Explanation   newsomewayne     04-05-12     33  
                     RE: The Explanation   dabo     04-05-12     35  
                 RE: The Explanation   AyaK     04-05-12     34  
                 RE: The Explanation   ginger     04-05-12     38  
                     RE: The Explanation   AyaK     04-05-12     41  
   RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   KeithFan     04-05-12     31  
     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   dabo     04-05-12     32  
     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   bondt007     04-05-12     36  
     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   HobbsofMI     04-05-12     37  
         RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   ginger     04-05-12     39  
             RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   HobbsofMI     04-05-12     40  
                 RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   AyaK     04-06-12     46  
                     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   HobbsofMI     04-11-12     59  
             RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   AyaK     04-05-12     42  
                 RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   ginger     04-06-12     43  
                     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   AyaK     04-06-12     45  
                     ABA President speaks   AyaK     04-09-12     47  
                 AyaK's blunder   AyaK     04-06-12     44  
                     RE: AyaK's blunder   ginger     04-09-12     48  
                         RE: AyaK's blunder   AyaK     04-09-12     49  
                             RE: AyaK's blunder   kingfish     04-09-12     50  
                                 RE: AyaK's blunder   ginger     04-10-12     56  
                                     RE: AyaK's blunder   AyaK     04-10-12     57  
                                     RE: AyaK's blunder   kingfish     04-13-12     61  
                         RE: AyaK's blunder   Starshine     04-10-12     51  
                             RE: AyaK's blunder   kingfish     04-10-12     52  
                                 RE: AyaK's blunder   Starshine     04-10-12     53  
                                     RE: AyaK's blunder   newsomewayne     04-10-12     54  
   Anyway   dabo     04-10-12     55  
     RE: Anyway   AyaK     04-10-12     58  
         RE: Anyway   dabo     04-11-12     60  
   RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   cahaya     06-25-12     62  
     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   kingfish     06-25-12     63  
     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   AyaK     06-25-12     64  
         RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   cahaya     06-25-12     65  
             RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   AyaK     06-26-12     66  
                 RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   Starshine     06-26-12     67  
   Upheld, 5-4.   Estee     06-28-12     68  
     RE: Upheld, 5-4.   kingfish     06-28-12     69  
         RE: Upheld, 5-4.   Estee     06-28-12     70  
             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   frankz     06-28-12     71  
                 RE: Upheld, 5-4.   Estee     06-28-12     72  
                     RE: Upheld, 5-4.   frankz     06-28-12     73  
                         RE: Upheld, 5-4.   cahaya     06-28-12     74  
                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   Estee     06-28-12     75  
                                 RE: Upheld, 5-4.   frankz     06-28-12     77  
                                     RE: Upheld, 5-4.   Estee     06-28-12     79  
                                         RE: Upheld, 5-4.   frankz     06-28-12     80  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   Estee     06-28-12     83  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   frankz     06-28-12     84  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   Tummy     06-28-12     85  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   Estee     06-28-12     86  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   frankz     06-28-12     87  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   Tummy     06-28-12     89  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   PepeLePew13     06-28-12     90  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   bondt007     06-28-12     91  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   Tummy     06-28-12     92  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   dabo     06-29-12     113  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   AyaK     06-30-12     132  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   frankz     06-28-12     93  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   PepeLePew13     06-28-12     95  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   frankz     06-28-12     96  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   cahaya     06-28-12     97  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   frankz     06-29-12     99  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   HobbsofMI     06-29-12     101  
                                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   AyaK     07-02-12     140  
                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   frankz     06-28-12     76  
                                 RE: Upheld, 5-4.   Estee     06-28-12     78  
                                 RE: Upheld, 5-4.   HobbsofMI     06-28-12     82  
                             RE: Upheld, 5-4.   HobbsofMI     06-28-12     81  
                                 RE: Upheld, 5-4.   angelworth29     06-28-12     88  
                                     RE: Upheld, 5-4.   cahaya     06-28-12     94  
   Because that's exactly how i...   Estee     06-29-12     98  
     RE: Because that's exactly h...   kingfish     06-29-12     100  
         RE: Because that's exactly h...   KeithFan     06-29-12     102  
             RE: Because that's exactly h...   kingfish     06-29-12     108  
                 RE: Because that's exactly h...   Estee     06-29-12     110  
                     RE: Because that's exactly h...   HobbsofMI     06-29-12     111  
                     RE: Because that's exactly h...   kingfish     06-29-12     112  
                         RE: Because that's exactly h...   HobbsofMI     06-29-12     120  
                             RE: Because that's exactly h...   kingfish     06-29-12     123  
     RE: Because that's exactly h...   Snidget     06-29-12     105  
         RE: Because that's exactly h...   Estee     06-29-12     107  
             Can we get someone to use this poll...   Snidget     06-29-12     114  
   RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   KeithFan     06-29-12     103  
     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   Estee     06-29-12     104  
         RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   KeithFan     07-01-12     134  
             RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   dabo     07-01-12     136  
                 RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   KeithFan     07-02-12     137  
                     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   dabo     07-02-12     138  
                         RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   KeithFan     07-06-12     152  
     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   HobbsofMI     06-29-12     106  
         RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   kingfish     06-29-12     109  
             RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   dabo     06-29-12     117  
                 RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   kingfish     06-29-12     122  
                     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   dabo     06-29-12     126  
         RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   mrc     06-29-12     115  
             RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   frankz     06-29-12     119  
                 RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   mrc     06-29-12     125  
                     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   kingfish     06-29-12     127  
             RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   HobbsofMI     06-29-12     121  
                 RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   mrc     06-29-12     124  
                     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   kingfish     06-29-12     128  
                     Roberts' intent   AyaK     07-02-12     143  
   RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   PepeLePew13     06-29-12     116  
     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   frankz     06-29-12     118  
         RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   cahaya     06-29-12     129  
         RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   PepeLePew13     06-29-12     130  
     RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   dabo     07-02-12     139  
         RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   AyaK     07-02-12     144  
             RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   PepeLePew13     07-02-12     145  
   RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou...   Max Headroom     06-29-12     131  
   It's Romney's fault.   Estee     07-01-12     133  
     RE: It's Romney's fault.   KeithFan     07-01-12     135  
         RE: It's Romney's fault.   AyaK     07-02-12     141  
             Mr. Etch A Sketch opens his mouth a...   HobbsofMI     07-02-12     142  
             RE: It's Romney's fault.   cahaya     07-02-12     146  
     RE: It's Romney's fault.   AyaK     07-03-12     147  
         RE: It's Romney's fault.   HobbsofMI     07-03-12     148  
         Don't tell me --   Estee     07-03-12     149  
             RE: Don't tell me --   AyaK     07-03-12     150  
                 RE: Don't tell me --   cahaya     07-03-12     151  

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