I hadn't thought of that. But you're right. The permissive parents are always adamently against the strict parent's manner of parenting, but their kids are always holy terrors (with, possibly the exception of the bizzare california buddhist family with the non-traditional parents who'd been reincarnated a few dozen times or whatever - those kids seemed pretty mild despite the lack of obvious structure). The strict parents tend to come away with the notion that they might need to lighten up a little and let the kids have more fun, but the permissive parents tend to come away with the attitude of "Now I'm SURE I'm a wonderful parent!" - although there was one episode with a family from Memphis where the dad of the permissive family ended up saying "it wouldn't hurt the girls to work a little" and he seemed to start to step up and discipline a little more (remember the dad was doing all the work while mom did all the spoiling?)