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Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 03-08-03, 07:46 PM (EST) "EP5 Immunity Challenge?" TDT has speculated here: http://www.truedorktimes.com/s6/spoilers/ep5.htm that this series of split screen images is from the upcoming IC...this could be from the RC, but it seems pretty clear that a swap/cohabitation event takes the place of the RC in EP5. Deena is wearing her challenge buff. Her boat is carrying a yellow flag (not seen on their fishing boats) Deena is in the front position in her canoe. Deena is working very hard, apparently competing. Dave is wearing his blue challenge buff. His boat is carrying a blue flag. (not seen on their fishing boat) Dave is in the rear position of his canoe. Because of the split screen we can conclude that Dave and Deena are not in the same boat. We can also conclude that there is someone else in the boat with them. (They appear to be two man canoes, but there could several people in each boat.) Questions: Why the use of a split screen? The split screen gives the illusion of a two person (male/female) competing in a boat race. This could be to conceal the actual tribe mates after the swap or it could be to suggest a male/female pairing where there is none, because the tribes continue to compete seperately. What is the EP5 Event? Since the buff colors and flags are still yellow and blue, we might conclude that the two tribes have not merged. They will continue to compete for team immunity, we just don't know whose in each tribe. The split screen hides whether or not their has been a swap. The tribes could be cohabitating and competing seperately or they could have swapped and be competing as two new tribes. Why bother hiding the other person/people in the boat? If the teams continue to compete as men versus women, the split screen is not necessary. The question of whether the tribes are living together or not, would not be answered or even hinted at by a vidcap of men competing against women...the preview must be hiding something about who is in the boat with Deena and Dave. It seems to me, the only thing it can hide is teammates of the other sex on the same team. So I am concluding (until Brownroach, Forehead, Dawg, or someone else convinces me otherwise ) that this is the IC and that the new co-ed teams compete together for team immunity after the swap... Krautboy   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: EP5 Immunity Challenge? PepeLePew13 03-08-03 1    RE: EP5 Immunity Challenge? Krautboy 03-08-03 4  RE: EP5 Immunity Challenge? Markopolo100 03-08-03 2    RE: EP5 Immunity Challenge? Markopolo100 03-08-03 3  Swap by choice?? cowboyroo 03-08-03 5  Is this Dave opening the mystery bo... IceCat 03-09-03 6    RE: Is this Dave opening the myster... Krautboy 03-09-03 7        Someone has privately pointed out..... IceCat 03-09-03 8    not the "mystery box" tribephyl 03-09-03 9        Good call... IceCat 03-09-03 10  No BOS hype supports swap forehead 03-09-03 11    RE: No BOS hype supports swap Markopolo100 03-09-03 13  Dave coming and going from ambassad... cowboyroo 03-09-03 12    RE: Dave coming and going from amba... Markopolo100 03-09-03 14        More support for a switch Markopolo100 03-09-03 15            Even MORE support for a switch Markopolo100 03-09-03 16                Is that Jenna on his new tribe? Markopolo100 03-09-03 17  RE: EP5 Immunity Challenge? SurvivinDawg 03-09-03 18    RE: EP5 Immunity Challenge? frisky 03-09-03 19    RE: EP5 Immunity Challenge? tribephyl 03-10-03 20        RE: EP5 Immunity Challenge? SurvivinDawg 03-10-03 21            Jenna and Sean in S1 colleenwannabe 03-10-03 22                RE: Jenna and Sean in S1 Loree 03-10-03 25                    RE: Jenna and Sean in S1 SurvivinDawg 03-10-03 26    Live Together -- No Merge, No Swap samboohoo 03-10-03 23        RE: Live Together -- No Merge, No ... Brownroach 03-10-03 27  SurvivorFAQ -Merge mikey 03-10-03 24

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PepeLePew13 26134 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-08-03, 08:15 PM (EST) 1. "RE: EP5 Immunity Challenge?" Sounds reasonable to me, Krautboy. I haven't had a chance to check out past vidcaps yet (got a baby on my lap as I type!) ... but a question, can we rule out these Deena/Dave pics from the last IC where the teams were fishing for piranhas? Is the clothing/buff position definitely different? Just wanted to remove any doubt this could be from the last episode. "When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 03-08-03, 09:11 PM (EST) 4. "RE: EP5 Immunity Challenge?" Pepe: That's what I like to here...starting those future spoilers young! I didn't check the clothing, but TDT made a point of explaining that he did. He's usually very thorough, so I have no reason to doubt that these are EP5, or beyond... Krautboy   Top

Markopolo100 218 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 03-08-03, 08:16 PM (EST) 2. "RE: EP5 Immunity Challenge?" Excellent analysis Krautboy. While I am not 100 percent sure we can say it is a SWAP. I do feel a SWAP is vital for MB to keep women in the game and for Chillone's final four to work. Jeff hinted the game would change at the end of the Ep4 tribal council. Didn't he say something similar before the swap in Africa and Marquesas? I think that is why we see no RC caps and the reused caps of Alex and Deena in the web preview here: Also, can we identify this Heidi cap as AFTER the date? She looks like she is near the women's camp which means she stays on Jaburu. That would also support a switch, because she is at Jaburu camp and I DOUBT if the tribes lived together, they would pick the Jabaru camp.   Top

Markopolo100 218 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 03-08-03, 08:26 PM (EST) 3. "RE: EP5 Immunity Challenge?" ANOTHER simple thing to support a switch. Heidi and Deena appear with yellow buffs. It's so logical that Jenna would want her alliance on her team. Right? I am starting to think this really IS a switch.   Top

cowboyroo 590 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 03-08-03, 10:58 PM (EST) 5. "Swap by choice??" Could we have another swap by choice situation here? There appear to be no outcasts at the men's camp, sure outcasts over at Jabaru and this season unlike last I could see people definitely jumping on the opportunity to swap....   Top

IceCat 17415 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-09-03, 00:11 AM (EST) 6. "Is this Dave opening the mystery box?" LAST EDITED ON 03-09-03 AT 00:11 AM (EST) These are preseason caps from an episode of eXtra: Do they show Roger holding the mystery box while Dave holds the lock and twists the key? Note that Dave is wearing the same clothes as he is in the canoeing challenge photo (split screen with Deena) except his buff is on his head. He is wearing his machete and looks ready to travel. Here is something interesting. In this photo, Dave's buff appears to be on the left wrist instead of the usual right. It would appear that MB has deliberately reversed the video so that it appears that Dave and Jenna are approaching each other in the canoes. I think that the first tree mail contains the key and the following instructions: Choose someone to go on a quest... then open the mystery box for further instructions... The box will contain a map to a spot on the river where a single-person canoe waits with another map leading to the shower hut. A similar process happens for Jenna in the Jabaru camp. Heidi (the Grand Boobah) tells Jenna to go so that she can keep tabs on the tenuous alliance back at camp. There will be no RC as the first half of the episode will be nothing more than a softporn version of the ambassadors meeting. Then the swap/merge/co-hab occurs... I'm thinking a co-hab at a new camp site. The tribes will be told that they can take the shelter branches that they have already chopped down to the new site (picking up sticks). The Deena and Dave split shot comes later and is the IC. Since they are wearing the old buffs they are not merged yet.   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 03-09-03, 00:36 AM (EST) 7. "RE: Is this Dave opening the mystery box?" LAST EDITED ON 03-09-03 AT 01:00 AM (EST) Great recall on the old vidcap! After Dave opens the "mystery box" (with buff on his wrist), the heads off to his date where he has his romantic dinner with Jenna (toasting with buff still on his wrist)... Or after tree mail arrived Dave is selected as the ambassador and heads off to his date...the next morning they get the big surprise when he returns with a key and instructions to open the "mystery box" revealing the 3 buffs for the swap! The surprise could be that they are expecting a merge, but get a swap instead... Krautboy   Top

IceCat 17415 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-09-03, 00:55 AM (EST) 8. "Someone has privately pointed out..." That the beard growth is missing for Roger and Dave in the shots so it's not likely that they are from EP5. Oh well... back to the drawing board.   Top

tribephyl 12393 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-09-03, 01:57 AM (EST) 9. "not the "mystery box"" Not exactly sure what it is... But it definitely is not the mystery box. These two are of the mystery box. A very understated box, not really adorned with any markings except for the goldish band running around the top edge of it. Could the item you have pointed out earlier actually be the First-Aid kit? tribephyl   Top

IceCat 17415 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-09-03, 06:02 AM (EST) 10. "Good call..." Looks like Dave is holding a cut thumb or something... Roger is hardly being helpful, though... handing the afflicted person an unopened first aid kit. Anyway flase alarm... move along... move along... no spoiler, here folks!   Top

forehead 932 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 03-09-03, 10:02 AM (EST) 11. "No BOS hype supports swap" KB: Great thread! What's missing from the Dave vs Deena shot is "battle of the sexes hype". MB/CBS has tried to milk the men vs women theme as much as possible. Why not continue the hype with this Dave vs Deena shot? Only logical answer seems to be a swap... forehead   Top

Markopolo100 218 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 03-09-03, 06:46 PM (EST) 13. "RE: No BOS hype supports swap" Forehead...GREAT catch! Just one more reason why we will see a swap. >KB: > >Great thread! What's missing from >the Dave vs Deena shot >is "battle of the sexes >hype". MB/CBS has tried >to milk the men vs >women theme as much as >possible. Why not continue >the hype with this Dave >vs Deena shot? Only >logical answer seems to be >a swap... > >forehead   Top

cowboyroo 590 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 03-09-03, 12:49 PM (EST) 12. "Dave coming and going from ambassador meeting" Could the shots of Dave in the boat be him coming and going from the Ambassador meeting. We have a solo shot of Dave in boat with buff on arm, as well as the split shot of Dave/Deena with him in boat solo with buff on head. This could be an illusion that Dave/Deena shots are part of the IC, but in acuality the shots of Dave with Deena are either from the return/arrival from/to the ambassador meeting leading us to believe that they are from a challenge. He is wearing the same shirt in both shots. Maybe we are being led to believe that there is an IC, but in actuality Shawna quits and there is no IC. We're being given the Shawna wants to quit in the previews again. Surely we can't get that again for yet another week after this one. Why make a "fake" looking IC. Because there isn't one?   Top

Markopolo100 218 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 03-09-03, 06:49 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Dave coming and going from ambassador meeting" LAST EDITED ON 03-09-03 AT 06:59 PM (EST) Cowboyroo, I don't think the Dave IC shot is the same as the one going to the date because: There is no Blue Tambaqui flag in this pic. Also, Dave is really trying hard to row in the challenge pic. He is relaxed on his way to the date. Also...we see Dave in that shirt A LOT! He seems to like it. Check Survivoramazon.com. He is seen in it all four episodes! >Could the shots of Dave in >the boat be him coming >and going from the Ambassador >meeting. We have a solo >shot of Dave in boat >with buff on arm, as >well as the split shot >of Dave/Deena with him in >boat solo with buff on >head. This could be an >illusion that Dave/Deena shots are >part of the IC, but >in acuality the shots of >Dave with Deena are either >from the return/arrival from/to the >ambassador meeting leading us to >believe that they are from >a challenge. He is wearing >the same shirt in both >shots. > >Maybe we are being led to >believe that there is an >IC, but in actuality Shawna >quits and there is no >IC. We're being given the >Shawna wants to quit in >the previews again. Surely we >can't get that again for >yet another week after this >one. > >Why make a "fake" looking IC. >Because there isn't one?   Top

Markopolo100 218 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 03-09-03, 06:51 PM (EST) 15. "More support for a switch" Poster Chaos on EZ has a long post....and in the long post he states: "Survivor rules now state that if tribes are even with 6 each, there is a 3-member swap." He says: "Someone from S4 said that in an interview." This makes sense, because Jeffy P. has said that everything is planned prior to Survivor. When contestants complained that it wasn't in the rules, Burnett showed them the rules and it states it right there. Mark   Top

Markopolo100 218 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 03-09-03, 07:03 PM (EST) 16. "Even MORE support for a switch" Don't you think if there was a fake merge, the previews would be hyping the men and women sleeping together at a camp. I mean come on, Rob gets to sleep near Heidi. Alex and Shawna....bow bow chicka bow bow. "pick up sticks" doesn't mean living together or merge in any way either.   Top

Markopolo100 218 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 03-09-03, 07:47 PM (EST) 17. "Is that Jenna on his new tribe?" pic from Sunaswed at SUCKS   Top

SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-09-03, 09:21 PM (EST) 18. "RE: EP5 Immunity Challenge?" It will not be this Dawg talking you out of anything, KB. I've been saying for the longest time that Ep. 5 looked like the ideal time for whatever merge/swap/livetogether happens. And everything I see just convinces me more and more of it. Apologies in advance if I repeat something already posted. I didn't carefully read the entire thread. Of the possibilities: 1) Merge - While I have yet to see anything that truly excludes the possibility, a full merge is the least likely scenario at this time. MB has never shown any inclination to have an early merge. HOWEVER, a Jenna/Dave meeting could be a forerunner of such a thing AND those split pics on TDT could also be misleading us into thinking there are still two tribes. But overall, merge is doubtful at this time. 2) Swap - More likely. However, the question then becomes "What exactly ARE Jenna and Dave having a meeting about?" The swaps in Survivors 3 and 4 were not preceded by meetings. However, S1, S2 (boys & girls nights out), S4, and S5 (lookee-see at the others' campsites after the painting game) all had pre-merge meetings. 3) Live together, but not merged. The main reason I like this idea is because Shawna and Dave bootings fit better in this scenario. And there's nothing to exclude it, either (or am I wrong on this?) Okay, rip it apart, and I apologize again if I've repeated something already covered. Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged   Top

frisky 11695 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-09-03, 11:36 PM (EST) 19. "RE: EP5 Immunity Challenge?" I'm picking number 3, Dawg. Based mostly on Butch's foreshadowing comment in Ep 4. When Rob was crooning, Butch voiced over that he was perfectly happy and content with his band of brothers, he's glad there are no women around, it's a perfect scenario for him. The guys are having a great time without the women.   Top

tribephyl 12393 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-10-03, 04:03 AM (EST) 20. "RE: EP5 Immunity Challenge?" My vote goes for # 2) Swap - More likely. However, the question then becomes "What exactly ARE Jenna and Dave having a meeting about?" The swaps in Survivors 3 and 4 were not preceded by meetings. However, S1, S2 (boys & girls nights out), S4, and S5 (lookee-see at the others' campsites after the painting game) all had pre-merge meetings. In S5 there was a meeting to discuss the switch. Where both tribes gathered around the "lit" set to be asked "Does anyone wanna switch tribes?" Yet, this time they only "invite"(or choose) two people to discuss this proposition(on a "lit" set). MB likes to change the dynamic a little each new show. Plus, this way someone might be more than willing to switch if all of their tribemates aren't sitting right next to them. Just imagine the damage that could happen, if Dave and Jenna end up making the decision for all of them to switch. MB probably wishes he had Shii-Ann in the Amazon. Which makes me think...it won't happen. Jenna and Dave are enticed by the offer to change tribal dynamics...but inevitebly option not to. Heidi doesn't look concerned at all in her confessional. Yet still is "shocked" by the rammifications of Jenna's decision. I bet she will also be glad they didn't send Jeanne to the meeting. Plus, IF Jenna and Dave's "date" is replacing the RC, which I think it will. Then the Split/screen Deena/Dave...leads more creedence to the fact the tribes are still split, by the time they hold the IC. Thusly, we have not seen any of the normal "Don't miss the suprise!" promo's, etc. because MB "did" the hype last time and it failed miserably. However this time he has decided to use a more ambiguous approach leading us to question ourselves. This time there is no big deal because it is no big deal. tribephyl   Top

SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-10-03, 06:28 AM (EST) 21. "RE: EP5 Immunity Challenge?" LAST EDITED ON 03-10-03 AT 06:30 AM (EST) In S5 there was a meeting to discuss the switch. Where both tribes gathered around the "lit" set to be asked "Does anyone wanna switch tribes?" This isn't the type of meeting I'm talking about. In S5, they gathered for a challenge and were offered by JP a chance to switch tribes. This was NOT preceded by tribe members having a meeting or "date". In S4, they met for what they thought was a challenge, stood on circles, and their new buffs were underneath. No preceding meeting. In S3, three from each tribe met at the original drop off point, and JP had gifts from them. Very very fresh new buffs. No player meeting preceded this. However... In S1, a Tagi and a Pagong (I don't remember who, but it was male and female) had a "date" dinner for merge arrangements. In S2, the Ogakor guys went to Kucha and the Kucha women went to Ogakor ("guys night out" and "girls night out"). Then both tribes went to a third location. S3 was different: they met, were told they were merged, had an IC, and decided at that time whose camp to live in. Boran was chosen. S4 had a "date" dinner with Kathy and Rob. The next day they collected the remnants of Maraamu and everyone went to the Rotu camp, where they were issued very very fresh new buffs. S5 had the paint game. Then Shii Ann went with Clay (I think) to Chuay Ghan while Mike took Helen to Sook Jai. They chose to live at CG. But wasn't a merge yet; they were just living together. Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged   Top

colleenwannabe 455 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 03-10-03, 09:23 AM (EST) 22. "Jenna and Sean in S1" Hello, The date couple in S1 consisted of Jenna and Sean. The producers were hoping for some old-fashioned rogering, but Jenna drank him under the table. Colleenwannabe   Top

Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-10-03, 12:56 PM (EST) 25. "RE: Jenna and Sean in S1" Yes, I remember it came out later that the teams had picked other people to send and MB had it changed because he wanted to set the scene for a romantic date. He chose Sean and Jenna. And it was Ken that was with Helen. I don't even remember a Mike in S5.   Top

SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-10-03, 01:41 PM (EST) 26. "RE: Jenna and Sean in S1" You're right, it was Ken. That's what happens when I try to think about three different things at once. Sumimasen. Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged   Top

samboohoo 17173 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-10-03, 09:27 AM (EST) 23. "Live Together -- No Merge, No Swap" I vote for #3 and here's why: In S5, we had the tribes given the option of switching teams, and while plenty thought about it, no one did it. Then there was the whole non-merge, which really threw the teams for a loop. In S6, the big hype has been men v. women. Why mess with it now? And everything so far has been pretty fair between the 2 tribes (here we sit at 6 v. 6). So let's say that MB has them pick an ambassador from each team. The girls pick Jenna and the guys pick Dave. Although I don't find any of the women particularly beautiful at this time, for the sake of argument, I think Jenna can probably "work it" better than any of the rest, and maybe Alex's injury prevents him from going, leaving Dave as second choice. The two meet thinking "plans for the merge." Only MB turns the tables on them and has them live together with no merge. Think about how much sexual tension there has been so far. Now picture them living together, but still competing against each other. I just think it's too soon to merge, and there's no need to swap.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-10-03, 01:48 PM (EST) 27. "RE: Live Together -- No Merge, No Swap" Samboohoo, I agree. While Krautboy's interpretation of the vidcaps makes perfect sense for a swap, a swap does not make any sense for the premise of the show. A swap's usual purpose is to attempt to reshuffle alliances, and/or perhaps assist a severely ailing tribe, as in S4. I don't buy the theories about the ambassadors picking their new tribes -- why would MB let them choose to bring alliance partners with them? I'm sure MB would not allow any of the players to determine the make-up of the new tribes in a swap situation. And he's already used a swap three times, the last one having been a total dud when no one opted to go for it. I think MB might want to retire that twist temporarily. The fake merge in S5 did not ultimately stop a pagonging, but it did cause people to start questioning loyalties. I'd guess that MB would want to try this twist again. And it works better for the Battle of the Sexes premise than a swap would.   Top

mikey 1150 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 03-10-03, 11:32 AM (EST) 24. "SurvivorFAQ -Merge" First time on the spoilers board this season so please forgive me if this was already mentioned. Compare the FAQ on the survivor websites. In survivors 1-4, it said exactly what episode there would be a merge. In survivor 5, it said more vaguely that there would be a merge halfway through their stay on the island. In survivor 6, the FAQ regarding a merge was omitted entirely, while the rest of the FAQ are left intact. HMMM... is there perhaps never a total merge this time?   Top

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