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"Granny's "Hallelujah!" challenge"
Bungler 497 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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12-13-02, 04:00 PM (EST)
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"Granny's "Hallelujah!" challenge" |
Very brief shot here, which I didn't include in the Vidcaps topic last night (sorry!).Granny jumps off something, yelling, "Hallelujah!"
Then lands on the ground, near this structure.
I didn't include these last night, even though I wasn't sure if I'd ever seen them before. Now I've gone through the challenges from previous episodes, and it appears these are new. TrueDorkTimes is also reporting these as new, and speculating that these shots might be from the F3 "Indiana Jones" IC, which would put Granny in the F3. I'm not disagreeing, but don't we have one more Reward Challenge to go? If so, this shot could be the F4 RC. If I'm wrong, TDT might be right and Granny could go to F3. Anyway, it's discussion fodder. So dig in! Bungler
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forehead 932 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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12-14-02, 05:14 PM (EST)
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11. "Indiana Jones could be IC for final 4" |
When the TV Guide description for the final episode appeared on survivor fever, I copied it and posted it here on SB (currently on page 3). -------------- From SurvivorFever.net: Airdate: Dec 19th During the two-hour finale, a pair of contests whittles the final four players down to two and the jury votes for the winner. According to executive producer Mark Burnett: “Think 'Indiana Jones' in terms of how (the final immunity challenge) is presented. The feel of the whole thing is definitely 'Indiana Jones,' that's what we were trying to create.” The finale is followed by a reunion of all 16 castaways at CBS's Television City in Los Angeles. Jeff Probst hosts the event and provides details about the show's next installment, Survivor: The Amazon. --------------- Note "... (the final immunity challenge) ..." The original had square brackets, but I was unable to make them appear (something to do with html, I guess), so I replaced them with round brackets. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think having "the final immunity challenge" in square brackets means that Burnett used a word like "it" referring to something he said in an earlier sentence. Next, TV Guide chose not to use that earlier sentence and make the first quoted sentence comprehensible by replacing the "it" with "the final immunity challenge". BUT that may just be the TV Guide making its own interpretation. My take on this is the Indiana Jones IC could be either final 4 or final 3. Note that TDT is using the above reference in deducing that Jan has to be in the final 3. I say, because we don't have the full literal quote from Burnett, we shouldn't be too hasty in concluding the Indiana Jones IC is final 3. In fact, it would make a lot of sense for Indiana Jones to be final 4 IC, Brian wins it, and shows up with the IN at TC, just as we have it in a vidcap posted by Bungler. Some have suggested that Brian appears at the final 4 TC with the IN, and he gives back the IN before the Fallen Comrades IC. I'm not sold on that though. Why have a seating arrangement with two rows, have Brian give back the IN to JP, AND THEN change the seating arrangement to one row for Fallen Comrades so that nobody can peek answers. I doesn't make sense to me. Somebody might want to check tapes with Fallen Comrades from prior seasons to see whether the change in seating arrangement was used before. My tentative take is: IC 4 is actually -for a change- a different challenge. TV Guide and vidcaps combined do not rule out the following scenario: IC4 Indiana Jones like - Brian wins TC4 Jan voted out (disposable) IC3 Hand on the Idol, or something else - Brian or Clay wins TC3 Helen voted out If Clay wins the IC3 and votes out Helen, Brian will have played an almost perfect game. Final comment: I'm a big TDT fan, and I totally buy into the final 2 spoiler. However, as Fester has noted before, TDT's speculation record has not been stellar this season. He hasn't convinced me yet on Jan making the final 3. Thoughts??? forehead
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Spidey 6259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-15-02, 04:51 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Indiana Jones could be IC for final 4" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-15-02 AT 04:53 PM (EST)>Note "... (the final immunity challenge) >..." The original had square >brackets, but I was unable >to make them appear (something >to do with html, I >guess), so I replaced them >with round brackets. I only saw the version with "think of Indiana Jones in terms of how it is presented." From the context it appeared to me that MB was talking about the finale in general. But this has me re-think it. > BUT that may just >be the TV Guide making >its own interpretation. Possibly, but the more I think about it, the more it seems weird that a whole 2 hours will be Indiana Jones-like. >Some have suggested that Brian appears >at the final 4 TC >with the IN, and he >gives back the IN before >the Fallen Comrades IC. >I'm not sold on that >though. Why have a >seating arrangement with two rows, >have Brian give back the >IN to JP, AND THEN >change the seating arrangement to >one row for Fallen Comrades >so that nobody can peek >answers. I doesn't make >sense to me. Me neither. I am thoroughly convinced this is a picture of F4 TC afterBrian has won immunity. "All new challenges" precludes Fallen Comrades and the seating seems to too. So how do we get a Jan IC win AND a Brian F4 IC win AND a Brian/Clay finale? We don't. So IF indeed Brian wins F4 IC, one of TDT's guesses is wrong. Since Jan winning F4 IC is merely speculation and Brian/Clay F2 a "spoiler," I'm sticking with the surer thing. IMO, while Jan may not go at F4 (and TDT might know that), it is because Brian betrays Helen (at Clay's insistance) NOT because Jan wins IC. This also fits with the "betrayal and rage" is the CBS website misdirection. An IceCat Original, 2002
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forehead 932 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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12-16-02, 11:44 AM (EST)
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16. "RE: Indiana Jones could be IC for final 4" |
Spidey:I appreciate your comments! >> BUT that may just be the TV Guide making >>its own interpretation. > >Possibly, but the more I think about it, the more it >seems weird that a whole 2 hours will be Indiana >Jones-like. I agree. I was thinking that Burnett had mentioned "an immunity challenge in the final episode" and referred back to it as "it", which TV Guide then interpreted as "the final immunity challenge" >Me neither. I am thoroughly convinced this is a picture >of F4 TC afterBrian has won immunity. "All new >challenges" precludes Fallen Comrades and the seating seems to too. Glad to see I'm not the only one to think this. >So how do we get a Jan IC win AND a >Brian F4 IC win AND a Brian/Clay finale? We don't. > >So IF indeed Brian wins F4 IC, one of TDT's guesses >is wrong. Since Jan winning F4 IC is merely >speculation and Brian/Clay F2 a "spoiler," I'm sticking with the >surer thing. Me too. >IMO, while Jan may not go at F4 (and TDT might >know that), it is because Brian betrays Helen (at Clay's >insistance) NOT because Jan wins IC. This also fits >with the "betrayal and rage" is the CBS website misdirection. That's possible. Somehow, I'm still leaning to Jan getting the boot at the final 4 TC. Helen's husband comment about Helen not wanting to finish 3rd would be perfect foreshadowing. If Clay fails to win the final 3 IC, Brian would have to win it and vote Helen out, which could also produce "betrayal and rage". Three days left to figure this out... forehead
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IceCat 17415 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-14-02, 04:28 PM (EST)
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9. "Yup..." |
Good eye, IE.
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12-15-02, 08:25 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Not the RC that Brian won" |
Remember they claimed it was the ultimate immunity challenge. In survivor 4 (or 3 cant remember) they had the "ultimate immunity" and it combined old challenegs to make one large obstacle course... so the ball passing through the ladder structure may also be a part of the final 4 or 3 immunity challenge...
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12-15-02, 05:40 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Granny's "Hallelujah!" challenge" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-15-02 AT 05:42 PM (EST)To spidey, bringing it down to bottom of thread, >>So IF indeed Brian wins F4 IC, one of TDT's guesses is wrong. Since Jan winning F4 IC is merely speculation and Brian/Clay F2 a "spoiler," I'm sticking with the surer thing. Sounds right. >>IMO, while Jan may not go at F4 (and TDT might know that), it is because Brian betrays Helen (at Clay's insistance) NOT because Jan wins IC. This also fits with the "betrayal and rage" is the CBS website misdirection. I agree that it's very possible that Brian wins IC and chooses disposable Granny over loyal soldier and generates even more acute feelings of betrayal than would come if Jan won IC. Thanks for your observations on the seating. Thank you Webby for that great vidcap of the jury at TC!
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