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"Ep 13 Preview Vidcaps"
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12-12-02, 09:33 PM (EST)
 
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"Ep 13 Preview Vidcaps" |
As usual, we got very little. I could only find two shots I was SURE weren't from previous episodes.Here's the text, just in case it'll help... {Announcer} CBS Next Thursday, gather the family for the event of the week, the Survivor season finale
{JP} There are four left
{Brian} ...come a long way baby
{JP} Three tribal councils
{Clay, at Ep 9 IC} Yeah!
{JP} Two shots at immunity
{Jan} Hallelujah!
{JP} And in the end, only one survivor
{Clay, at the first Ep 13 TC} We're not talkin' 20 dollars, we're talkin' a million.
{JP} That's what makes Survivor the ultimate game.
{JP} Then join me for the reunion show. No singing and dancing, just answers to questions you've been asking.
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bebekid 1621 desperate attention whore postings
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12-13-02, 09:56 AM (EST)
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20. "RE: Ep 13 Preview Vidcaps" |
Sleeeve has this to say about the vidcap in his final 4 thread:"The vidcap is not fake, but feel free to go back and watch your tapes.
In every Survivor since S1, Jiffy starts the final four (in S2, it was final three) TC with questions to the group, just as normal... then he asks for the necklace back, then they do the immunity challenge.
This is designed to throw everyone off guard if someone unexpected wins (as happened in S1, S4, and apparently S5).
After the immunity winner is declared, Jiffy doesn't ask any questions... he merely opens up the floor to any final comments (ie deal making) before the vote happens.
So the vidcap is EXACTLY what we expect for the first TC... Brian is still wearing his necklace, and Clay is answering Jiffy's question... the IC hasn't even begun yet."
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12-12-02, 09:43 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Ep 13 Preview Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-12-02 AT 09:45 PM (EST)HOLY COW; nice job! I don't remember MB leaking something so blatantly before. Unless there's some very crafty computer editing going on in the MB camp, we have our first IC winner. YAWN! edited to add... is Erin LACTATING for God's sake? What is going on with her boobs???!?????????!????
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12-12-02, 09:53 PM (EST)
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10. "I Smell a Rat in the Editing Room..." |
LAST EDITED ON 12-12-02 AT 09:53 PM (EST)Remember the fake TC pic in S1... Note that Brian is wearing the same clothes in the preview pic as he was at tonite's TC. Bungler, can you see if you have any caps of previous TC's where Jan is wearing that bright blue shirt? If you can, it would be illuminating to see how Clay, Helen, and Jan are sitting in that previous TC. If they are sitting in the same orientation then the Clay, Jan, Helen part of the shot might be from a previous TC and the Brian part may be cut and pasted in.
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12-13-02, 11:31 AM (EST)
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23. "Maybe Different Challenge?" |
We are all assuming, based on previous shows, that Fallen Comrades is this IC. Well, MB did say he would have all "new" challenges this season and he hasn't used fire building and some of the others that he has used all of the time. What if he has a totally different challenge for Final 4? That would explain why they are not seated in one row.
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12-13-02, 00:50 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: I Smell a Rat in the Editing Room..." |
My thoughts exactly. Ever since we got the S1 picture that told us that Dirk, Joel and Gretchen were not long for their tribes, we haven't gotten anything nearly as incontrovertible except for the final four picture showing Rudy, Sean, Colleen and Gervase.With that in mind, I'm a bit torn on this. They've done this before for final four, so we can clearly not pick Brian as final four IC winner. On the other hand, the final four pic in S1 caused us to start second guessing everything of spoiler value we got from CBS. They know this, they would've counted on it, so we can clearly not pick anyone else as final four IC winner. I guess either way, we've fallen for one of the classic blunders. The most well-known is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: MB has the upper hand with next episode preview vidcap spoilers.
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12-13-02, 01:23 AM (EST)
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16. "RE: I Smell a Rat in the Editing Room..." |
Okay, i've watched that damn preview a bajillion times now, and am convinced there is a pic of jan, helen, and brian walking to tribal council WITHOUT clay. whats up with that? Also, I'm a firm believe that the final four challenge is indeed Fallen Comrades. If this is so, the Jan comment comes from the FINAL THREE CHALLENGE (The challenge even looks different) and jumps off in excitement because she wins. Also, at the beginning of the episode when it was the recap of last week, JP said "only one will remain" and who did we see? JANNY!
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12-13-02, 01:43 AM (EST)
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17. "RE: I Smell a Rat in the Editing Room..." |
I've gone and looked at some video's - Chewies have been to TC in episodes 1, 2, 3, 9, 10, 11, and 12 - obviously it wasn't 12, and I didn't go back and look at 1, 2 & 3 because of Clay's beard growth. The shot wasn't from 9, 10 or 11 - in each of these 3, they were in different clothes and the seating order was different.
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12-13-02, 10:05 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: I Smell a Rat in the Editing Room..." |
Good Point Veruca. MB has shook up his editing this season. Spoiler evidence has abounded this season. Maybe he figures that Brian is clearly going to be kept by Clay and Helen, so why hide the fact that he makes the F3. I think time will tell this week. What other info comes out, etc. But it just seems too clear to me that Brian is in the F2, Helen goes prior to it, due to the Husband comments about her not coming to go out 3rd (she may go 4th). I will have to think about this one and hope I am not over thinking it. 
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12-13-02, 11:58 AM (EST)
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24. "RE: I Smell a Rat in the Editing Room..." |
Q......you took the words right out of my mouth! I think Helen's husband's comments are typical misdirection. She didn't go there to come in third, she went there to win. However, she chose NOT to take the game into her own hands (she could have with the help of Jake). Brian basically told us last night that he will use Clay and Helen's dislike for one another against them. I think we will see that in the first TC of the finale. helen will come in 4th, not 3rd. Granny is expendable, and is unlikely to win any challenges (per her forshadowing..."I haven't won an IC yet"). Jan is NOT a threat, and therefore is safer to keep around than Helen, who could pull out an IC win. Brian and/or Clay will win the final IC, and boot Jan out in 3rd. Leaving Brian and Clay in the F2
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12-13-02, 12:58 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: I Smell a Rat in the Editing Room..." |
helen will come
>in 4th, not 3rd.
>Granny is expendable, and is
>unlikely to win any challenges
>(per her forshadowing..."I haven't won
>an IC yet"). Jan
>is NOT a threat, and
>therefore is safer to keep
>around than Helen, who could
>pull out an IC win.
> Brian and/or Clay will
>win the final IC, and
>boot Jan out in 3rd.
>Leaving Brian and Clay in
>the F2 Why in the world would Brian chance Jan winning final IC? Clay is clearly liked the least and she would take him to F2, barring a Colby-moment. Or she could take Helen, her best friend on the island, for an all-gal final. IMO, Brian is the LAST person Jan would take to F2. Jan MUST go out at F4, so Brian can tank the final IC knowing he has an F2 pact with the other 2 and assured that Helen and Clay won't break that pact and take each other. Even though Helen knows Clay is easier to beat, she dislikes him so much she won't even want to give him a chance at the big prize. And vica versa.
Once Jan is gone, Brian is an F2 lock. All the editing has been way off pattern this time out. Clearly they are giving us the winner, knowing we are all saying "MB can't just be giving us the winner" IMHO, the only way Brian doesn't win this thing is if TDT is wrong and he is up against Helen in F2. 
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12-13-02, 01:01 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: I Smell a Rat in the Editing Room..." |
>>Now, if I am hallucinating about that then we at the very least missed the agreement that took place to take Ted out and that conversation took place during the time when Brian, Clay and Jan were brooding when Ted and Helen were gone at the camp.<<Jsanb, Brian did say to Jan and Clay in this conversation that Helen "knows what needs to be done." So it seemed clear that there had been a plan to boot Ted discussed previously, and all four of them were privy to it. We may not be seeing every single iota of strategy, but a few things have to be kept hidden in order to generate suspense. All the CG's strategies are intertwined -- as Jan said, there are no clear-cut alliances, and as Helen said, everyone is playing both sides of the fence -- so we're getting a pretty solid picture of what's going on, compared to S4, where for the most part we only heard Kathy strategizing.
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12-13-02, 02:44 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: I Smell a Rat in the Editing Room..." |
"knows what needs to be done." was exactly what I was referring to. We saw the Rotu4 strategizing, we saw Neleh and Pascal. We did NOT see THE meeting with Sean, Vee, Pascal, Neleh, and Kathy until after in the review crapsule. We saw Vee & Sean talking a lot at times. I am not saying we saw it all it S4 either, it seemed to me, that we saw more of the alliance deals/conversations. But, you bring up a good point that there are no alliances like there have been(and as Jan mentioned) in the past couple of Survivors and so showing what Brian and Helen talking is all they can show unless they want to show THE conversation(s) where they agree to take out Ted, and I argue show me that... I would rather see that and not be surprised in a votw that I could figure out anyways.Peanut Butter Jeff
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12-13-02, 04:19 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: I Smell a Rat in the Editing Room..." |
jsanb: one of the things I do love about this show is how the audience has different opinions. As I had stated the Vee situation last year IMO caused MB to do things differently. Whoever (despite the TDT spoiler) wins, we have gotten more talk of "strategy" and when I mean "strategy" I mean, their thoughts, their opinions, their facial expressions (because that all has a connection with strategy) then we have seen from last year. Brian practically laid out his plan last night
Helen advised her husband of her ideas
Ted told Helen his thoughts
Clay instigated votes against Ted
Jake tried to stir things up
Shii Ann made a overt effort with the Chewys
This has been a very visible, IMO, Survivor this season. Brian clearly made arrangements/agreements with three people
Helen clearly wanted Clay out of there
Helen has shown where her loyalities lay
The operation get Shii Ann was not hidden This is what I mean. So with that, why not show us Brian with the necklace ESPECIALLY if there is some indication to MB that he knows the spoiling community knows the final two even. But let's forget that. I don't necessarily believe that giving us Brian as the IC winner would be a huge secret; that really doesn't upset an apple cart full of surprises. However, I don't necessarily believe it ISN'T just before the challenge either. Either way though, I think MB took the audience's reaction to an invisible winner and changed his show because of it. Ironically, a lot of people are now angry because he isn't hiding things as much; that is really funny and just goes to show you how finicky we are as viewers.
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12-13-02, 01:13 PM (EST)
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28. "Curious Shot" |
Immediately following the jury shot, when Jeff is saying "just answers to questions you've been asking," there appears to be a shot of Jan, Helen and Brian at TC, no Clay (and it is not during F4 voting due to positioning).Unfortunately, I can't find the remote for my VCR and so I can't pause it and look closely. (Crappy old thing with only play, record, ff and rew on the face). It goes by very quickly. Maybe it is 1/2 of CG from an old TC, but I am very curious. Anyone seen this and know it is from an old ep?
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12-13-02, 04:05 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: Curious Shot" |
Not to mention the IN visible around Clay's neck in the bottom right of the Helen, Jan, Brian shot.
It is definitely from TC9
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From last night's promo 
From the E9 TC (courtesy of CBS.com)
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