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esquire 1095 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 12-02-02, 09:12 AM (EST) "Jake goes" LAST EDITED ON 12-04-02 AT 02:23 PM (EST) This is the 5th version of Survivor and we now have a small sample of what happens when certain situations appear. Its not a guarantee that the same thing will occur in every version of the game, but we can surely make observations of common occurences, and come to conclusions about what will happen in the current version of the game. In each of the 4 prior versions of the show, the game reached a point where there was 1 dominant tribe and only 1 member left from the prior tribe. In S1 it was Colleen and 5 members of the other tribe. In S2, it was Liz and 3 members of the other tribe. In S3, it was T-Bird and 4 members of the other tribe. In S4, it was Vee and 3 members of the other tribe. In the first 3 versions of the show, the last remaining member of the loser tribe was voted off right away. In S4, Vee wasn't voted out because she had immunity. I think everything we know about S4 indicates she would have been voted out if she didn't have immunity. We have now reached that same point in this version of the game. Unless I see some convincing evidence of a different result, I gotta believe that this is Jake's week to take the walk   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    Brian and Clay barrymore 12-02-02 1    RE: Brian and Clay Cathy the Canadian 12-02-02 2        RE: Brian and Clay FesterFan1 12-02-02 4  RE: Jake goes Cathy the Canadian 12-02-02 3    Paratrooper Prediction Boilermaker 12-02-02 6        RE: Paratrooper Prediction esquire 12-02-02 7            RE: Paratrooper Prediction dabo 12-02-02 9  RE: Jake goes snoocharoo 12-02-02 5    TDT big idiot 12-02-02 8        RE: TDT Brownroach 12-02-02 12            RE: TDT snoocharoo 12-02-02 13                RE: TDT Brownroach 12-02-02 14                RE: TDT big idiot 12-02-02 21            RE: TDT Griffe 12-02-02 19                RE: TDT Brownroach 12-02-02 20    The Gospel according to TDT... FesterFan1 12-02-02 15        RE: The Gospel according to TDT... Brownroach 12-02-02 18  RE: Jake goes Speedy 12-02-02 10  A couple things to consider... FesterFan1 12-02-02 11    RE: A couple things to consider... dabo 12-02-02 16    RE: A couple things to consider... Devious Weasel 12-02-02 17  RE: Jake goes ejm92 12-02-02 22    RE: Jake goes ulalame 12-03-02 23        RE: Jake goes ejm92 12-03-02 24        RE: Jake goes JohnMc 12-04-02 25            What about Helen getting the boot? AZ_Leo 12-04-02 26                RE: What about Helen getting the bo... frisky 12-04-02 27                    RE: What about Helen getting the bo... AZ_Leo 12-05-02 28

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barrymore 42 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 12-02-02, 09:15 AM (EST) 1. "Brian and Clay" According to true dork times (link below)... http://www.truedorktimes.com/s5/spoilers/ Clay and Brian are the final two. Do they know something that we don't?   Top

Cathy the Canadian 599 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 12-02-02, 11:13 AM (EST) 2. "RE: Brian and Clay" Am I dreaming, or didn't Bebo have a thread saying TDT had picked Jan as the winner? Do these guys change their mind every week or what?   Top

FesterFan1 5947 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-02, 11:27 AM (EST) 4. "RE: Brian and Clay" Do these guys change their mind every week or what? Every hour, on the hour. I wouldn't bet a dime on any of their "speculation" this season. They're bound to change their picks again, once Snewser makes his. That's the only constant for TDT for S5. Fester   Top

Cathy the Canadian 599 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 12-02-02, 11:15 AM (EST) 3. "RE: Jake goes" Well, there is the pesky business of Paratrooper stating that a Sucky wins. Jake is the only sucky left. And he could indeed win immunity. And I think Brian and Ted are likely to be pissed at Clay for voting outside the alliance. Even though it was inconsequential, it showed he'll vote with emotion over loyalty. Brian won't like it, I guarentee it. Despite this, I wouldn't be surprised to see a pagonging either.   Top

Boilermaker 260 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 12-02-02, 01:09 PM (EST) 6. "Paratrooper Prediction" Does anyone know the date when Paratrooper made his Sook Jai winner prediction? This would be interesting to analyze at this point in the game. I think that just like every spoiler out there Paratrooper is human and is bound to make mistakes. He is way above my spoiler level for sure, but I believe his statement was more a prediction than a spoiler with evidence attached. What he predicted is at some early point in the game that one or two Sook Jai make the Final 3 and a Sook Jai wins. His chances at that point in the game of being right was probably 50/50 (maybe less). His motivation was that by prediciting this early he could take the mantle of being a great spoiler away from people like Snewser and SuvivorBlows and from organizations like the Acme Brain Trust (Yes ABT and others are having a bad season, but are still great at what they do). I think that game logic is one of the strongest spoilers out there, and game logic says that Jake needs to go because he is (at least in the minds of CG) guaranteed votes for the million by Ken, Erin, and Penny. All he needs is one more from a spurned CG and he wins. When you start splitting your tribe at the end there is always going to be one or two that feel spurned and will at least vote against their own tribe or at least let that person's version of chance (answer to a question, pick a number, etc.) decide the fate of the winner.   Top

esquire 1095 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 12-02-02, 01:59 PM (EST) 7. "RE: Paratrooper Prediction" >I think that game logic is >one of the strongest spoilers >out there, and game logic >says that Jake needs to >go because he is (at >least in the minds of >CG) guaranteed votes for the >million by Ken, Erin, and >Penny. All he needs is >one more from a spurned >CG and he wins. When >you start splitting your tribe >at the end there is >always going to be one >or two that feel spurned >and will at least vote >against their own tribe or >at least let that person's >version of chance (answer to >a question, pick a number, >etc.) decide the fate of >the winner. Which gets back to my original point. The players in this game realize what Boilermaker just said and therefore once there is only 1 member left from the loser tribe, they are quickly eliminated by the dominant tribe. That would mean Jake goes.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-02, 03:23 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Paratrooper Prediction" Agree, game logic pretty much dictates that Jake goes, but immunity could spare him this time and force the CG rifts into the open. Additionally, in previous Survivors (Outback, Africa) we've seen examples of a tribe with superior numbers ousting one of their own (Jerri, Amber, Clarence, Kelly G.) rather than continue with a straightforward Pagonging. I'm leaning towards Jake needing to win immunity this time, however, because the CG5 are a pretty tight unit. ARRRRRRR!!!!   Top

snoocharoo 1 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 12-02-02, 11:38 AM (EST) 5. "RE: Jake goes" Okay...maybe I've been hidden away in a cabin in Vermont just a bit too long. Where did TDT come up with the very final sounding speculation that AssManClay and PornoBrian are the F2? What information is there to support this???????? Snoocharoo Be cheerful, fit in or someone might think you're weird   Top

big idiot 193 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 12-02-02, 03:19 PM (EST) 8. "TDT" Snooch and all, I am on the "what the....?" bandwagon with ya about TDT's final two prediction. Here is what concerns me: TDT usually provides their analysis (vidcaps with explanation) on their predictions or gives credit to a source (Snewser and others). Their predictions may not always be correct, but they usually reflect parallel thinking of others or at least convergent thinking with others. The one time that I can recall that they had an anomalous prediction was the Reward Challenge Swap, they had a huge analysis about how everyone swaps at the food auction. This speculation was not anywhere else and they provided their full analysis of how they formed that theory. After reading through it, I posted here on it that "I like TDT but every good pumpkin has its soft spot", and criticized their analysis and conclusion. The commonality with the RC spec above and the B/C final two spec is that both are stated with confidence and appear independent of support/evidence from other sites. The difference is that the RC spec showed analysis and was the obvious product of TDT. The B/C final two does not show analysis and may not be the product of TDT. So here is my concern/dilemma: If I knew that TDT had deduced the B/C final two then I would put less stock in it, but the whole thing reads like they have an inside source. So until I know the above, I'm up in the air if I believe their prediction...sigh...   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-02, 03:45 PM (EST) 12. "RE: TDT" It's not even worded like a prediction, which concerns me too. In the Episode 11 analysis they have this rather definitive-sounding statement: "Clay might seem like an obvious pick for the alternate boot if Jake somehow wins immunity. But he and Brian are in the final two, so they're safe." And both are listed as "Final Two" -- without question marks -- on TDT's boot odds chart now. It sounds to me like inside information too, but, if so, why wouldn't they preface this with "TDT has learned that..." or something of that nature, to call more attention to it as a spoiler? Very strange.   Top

snoocharoo 1 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 12-02-02, 04:23 PM (EST) 13. "RE: TDT" BI and BR, Do either of you know what the ramifications are for the media leaking the winner? TDT always acknowledges their source and bases their picks upon tried and true resources such as Snewster. If they don't know the answer they tell you they don't know. In this case the phrase seems disjointed, almost like it was thrown in to the paragraph as an assumption or after thought. Maybe it's a prediction that is being veiled so they can cover their asses. TDT's prediction record has been kinda dismal this season, I am personally more inclined to hop on the Snewster Lemming Train then TDT. But this is interesting none the less. Snoocharoo Be cheerful, fit in or someone might think you're weird"   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-02, 04:40 PM (EST) 14. "RE: TDT" Snooch, I don't know how a major media outlet could be held culpable for revealing the winner, but I'm beginning to think MB doesn't care that much anymore if information gets out in advance. I found it strange when the Enquirer blithely printed that Penny did NOT win, way in advance of when she got the boot. Someone close to Penny must have talked to the reporter, which means Penny told that person that she didn't win. So is MB suing Penny and/or the Enquirer? I doubt it. I'm not buying the Brian/Clay thing for the moment. I guess we'll just have to see if TDT says any more about their sources.   Top

big idiot 193 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 12-02-02, 06:54 PM (EST) 21. "RE: TDT" Snooch, I don't know much about legalities of leaking a winner. But I would love to see the legal CBS juggernaught go up against a site called "True Dork Times" on the grounds that TDT (David) ruined CBS (Goliath), hehe that would be good headlines. And what about the legalities of leaking a loser? To address BRs Ponder-osa of The National Enquirer. I think the NE made a brilliant move in absentia of a source. I think they just GUESSED that penny lost, odds were in their favor of being correct. If CBS pushed them for a source? 1) sources are basically protected by state shield laws 2) they can give any one of the myriad of spoiler websites or 3) tell the truth and CBS looks like a bigger ass in court. And what they printed was correct and was not damaging to a person's character so there is no libel. What if they guessed wrong? CBS still could not sue because there is no damage to CBS, it would have helped their show (and NE can't lose credibility that they don't have). Heck, I thought the NE went win/win, sold some extra papers and someone got employee of the month. But back to the present issue: TDT. Additions to this thread seem to indicate that this final two theory is their own speculation (not inside source), my big concern with that is why risk getting razed by your own petard. The point of spoiling is to "spoil" the show, but what happens when your big-bang theory is wrong and all you "spoiled" was your own website? I don't think TDT is that short-sighted (a wish), so perhaps they do have an inside source but are trying to protect them by dropping a woolen veil of analysis? Ah hell, who knows...all I know is that I hate wasting time spoiling spoilers...grrrrrr...but darn, that seems to be 90% of spoiling Survivor....sigh...   Top

Griffe 40 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 12-02-02, 06:07 PM (EST) 19. "RE: TDT" Brownroach, TDT did preface it with the "...has just learned..." phrase. It's under the E13 Spoiler section of his site and reads as follows... <<"The True Dork Times has learned that the final two are Brian and Clay.">> http://www.truedorktimes.com/s5/spoilers/ep13.htm   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-02, 06:27 PM (EST) 20. "RE: TDT" Ah, thanks, Griffe -- I didn't see that! All I can say is: Ewww. I hope they're wrong.   Top

FesterFan1 5947 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-02, 04:55 PM (EST) 15. "The Gospel according to TDT..." Here's their hard and fast Spoiler data...at least it's what they're citing as the reasons for Clay and Brian's F2 showdown: For Clay, - Reportedly lost 32 lbs. - Came back with a beard, suggesting he's in the final two. - Richard Hatchian editing. - "You'll be surprised how far this man from Louisiana goes." For Brian, - Quartzeye from SS EZ board's photos show him still looking quite thin 9/1. (These are the famous, pre-E1, Brian-at-the-Used-Car-lot photos) - Lost about 30 lbs. It's speculation. Nothing more, nothing less. Fester   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-02, 05:37 PM (EST) 18. "RE: The Gospel according to TDT..." And this is what the "beard" article says -- Steve Alexander is Clay's childhood friend. >>Alexander said that he spoke to his friend last week. "He lost 32 pounds and grew a beard while he was gone," Alexander said.<< So Clay told the friend -- over the phone, it sounds like to me -- that he grew a beard while he was gone. Uh...that doesn't NECESSARILY mean he still had it when he came back. Sheesh.   Top

Speedy 75 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 12-02-02, 03:30 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Jake goes" OMG!! I don't want Clay to win!! He is the worst!! Does anyone really know how reliable this source is? TDT seems to usually just copy whatever Snewser predicts..so I don't want to put too much faith in this spoiler   Top

FesterFan1 5947 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-02, 03:43 PM (EST) 11. "A couple things to consider..." Sure it makes logical sense that Jake would go this week. However, what we have this season, that we haven't had in previous seasons, is no clearly defined majority alliance. Even in S4, we were reasonably sure that the agreement between Neleh, Paschal, Kathy, Vee and Sean would take them to the F5, and it did. In S3, we had the Boran 3 (Lex, Tom, Ethan) + 1 (Kim J.). In S2 we had Keith, Tina and Colby. And of course there was the original S1 alliance. So what have we been discussing on this board for the past 3 weeks? Answer: "What is the winning alliance of CG?" Is it Brian, Clay and Ted? Is it Brian, Clay and Helen? Is it Ted, Jan and Helen? etc. Truth is, it's probably all of these and none of these. These players are the culmination of 4 seasons worth of backstabbing and MB tweaking. None of them trust each other entirely and they are all (except for maybe Jan) playing the game 24/7. Who knows how many side agreements or discussions there have been that we haven't seen. What's my point? Well, there are a couple ways that Jake could escape the snuffer this week. First, and easiest, he could win immunity. This would certainly fit the episode title ("A Big Surprise...and Another"). If he doesn't win immunity, there is still the possibility of paranoia within former CG of the dreaded pecking order. In E10, they focused on Clay and Brian(?) instigating the 3 votes for Ted and how Ted would never find out that they were behind it. Now, what are the odds that MB would show us that if it didn't come back to bite them? My guess is, he does find out about it. It may or may not be during E11, though. Then there's Helen. Helen makes Kathy look trusting. Jake's a pretty darn good salesman. Helen saw him coming a mile away, but good ol' Jake reaffirmed all of her fears about her place in CG. You can bet she doesn't want it to come down to Clay and Brian. Personally, I think Jake survives E11. I think it's more likely that he does it by winning immunity, though. However, don't be surprised if he weasels his way into the Final Four. He's a lot better at this than Robert, Teresa, Elisabeth, and Colleen were. Fester   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-02, 05:01 PM (EST) 16. "RE: A couple things to consider..." I'm with you, Fester, and I love that Jake is still in there trying against the odds. He took a pretty bad hit in episode 10 when Penny started gunning for him, though oddly that may have been the only thing that saved his bacon (even if Penny had been ahead of Jake in the pecking order, his active gameplay had made him a bigger target, Penny may have survived that episode had she continued trying to play UTR instead of turning into the rat the way she did). The key to his game now is making enough CG wake up to how they are being played within their own tribe. If he can get Helen to realize that she needs to break up Brian, Clay and Ted, she should be able to bring Jan into it, but that would create a dreaded tie situation. He now knows it is useless trying to go to Brian or Clay with anything, which leaves him needing to work on Ted. That didn't work before, however, but there is no other option. The last RC should have told Ted a few things, though, so maybe with enough time to mull things over (and perhaps confab with his brother) things could change. If that were to happen, Brian or Clay would have to be the targets for the next two episodes. If Jake wins immunity, of course, it could just create a situation where he would have to keep winning immunity from then on in order to remain in the game. Brian would be the least likely boot for CG then, strategically, as he is their player with the greatest chance of defeating Jake in future ICs. ARRRRRRR!!!!   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-02, 05:06 PM (EST) 17. "RE: A couple things to consider..." Speaking as a Weasel, I think Jake has what it takes to convince enough people to keep him around a TC or two. As a side note, I think it fits the title better if he were to stay around even though he didn't win immunity. After all, there's not much of a surprise factor to the person winning immunity not getting voted off. And it would be one of the quickest tests of TDT, considering Clay has to be looking like a target to some of his tribemate...   Top

ejm92 2221 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 12-02-02, 08:59 PM (EST) 22. "RE: Jake goes" It is obviously logical when you see the tribe that Jake is the oddball...he's the oldest and is all by himself as a original SJ. But somehow my gut keeps telling me Clay is going. I thought back, and here is what we saw directly after the recrap episode in each sequel series. Survivor 2, Week 9 (After the Recrap) - Jerri is voted off. Although we all knew and wanted Jerri to go, it was a legitimate shock that Nick was not voted off. Nick, who we assumed would be voted out, went the next episode instead. This is almost the same situation in my eyes....Jake is definately the next to go if nothing odd happens, and Nick won immunity, which Jake very well could. Who is last in the CG pecking order? I guess we'll have to figure that out. Survivor 3, Week 8 (After the Recrap) - Kelly G. is voted off. No one logically saw this one coming, either. We knew something was up with the Lex snake comment in the previews, but logically, the next person in order was either Frank or Brandon. Kelly went instead, after her tribe turned on her. Brandon, who a lot of us assume was going to be voted out, went the week after that. Survivor 4, Week 9 (After the Recrap) - Zoe is voted off. Most of us didn't really see that one coming, either. Everyone knew Tammy was next in the pecking order, but she won the stilt challenge and won immunity. Those who didn't pick Tammy said that the General would've been next after Tammy in the pecking order, but instead, Zoe was voted out. A lot of people did not see that coming....and the person who most everyone predicted, Tammy, went the next week. With the recrap coming after week 10 and this being episode 11, is MB reserving the recrap episode to lead into a surprise boot? Or was (easy logic) the recrap just reserved to fill in for Turkey day? Anyways, I don't know if MB would let another huge Pagonging happen without a break or two in the pattern of bootees. If S5 follows the pattern we've seen, either Jan or Clay would go this week, and Jake next week. 2002 NFC North Champs   Top

ulalame 778 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 12-03-02, 06:43 PM (EST) 23. "RE: Jake goes" You have come up with the most compelling reason, to me, for why Jake doesn't go this week -- the surprise boot in past seasons following the recap. We even have the title of the episode referring to a surprise. The question is, who is the surprise bootee? I think any of the CG's going before Jake would be a shock to the general audience--and I think the only logical way a CG goes before Jake is if Jake gets immunity. Assuming he does, and the CGs are forced to start cannibalizing their own,which one goes? I don't think it's Clay, because in the last episode pre-recap, he was shown voting divergent from the group -- clearly a red herring that he's outside the power center if TDT are to be believed. I don't think a Jan boot would be all that surprising, given that Jake voted for her last week, and she is the oldest and appears to be the least strong woman player left. That leaves Helen, Ted and Brian. Again, I don't think Brian goes (I'm buying into TDT for now), and between Helen and Ted I think a Ted boot would be the most shocking to the general viewing audience -- after all, his alliance with Brian was practically shoved down our throats at the beginning.   Top

ejm92 2221 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 12-03-02, 07:19 PM (EST) 24. "RE: Jake goes" That's pretty interesting, I never really considered Ted to go, but you do have very good reasoning....my only doubt would be the whole three vote debacle, where we were shown Ted pouting over the votes...I'm not for sure...also, another thing I was thinking of right after I posted the above message, I just wanted to show a few instances where someone proboably needed immunity and did win it....(I didn't watch Survivor 1 much so I'm just winging it from what I've seen, read, and heard...) Survivor 1 - Tagi fins final immunity before the merge to even things up, Episode 7 - Greg wins immunity and is voted out the next week (although he proboably truly didn't need it in week 7), Gervase wins immunity in episode 8 because he said he needed it, Kelly wins the final three challenges. Survivor 2 - Ogakor evens things up right before the merge (also with help from Mike), Keith weasles his way into immunity in episode 7 because he needed it, which essentially won the game for Ogakor, Nick wins in episode 9 and is booted the next week, Colby wins final immunity, which prevents Keith from voting him out. Survivor 3 - Lex wins episode 9 and 10 immunities (we really won't ever know how much or how little he may hav needed them), Mamakim wins final two immunities which she needed badly. Survivor 4 - Kathy wins episode 7 immunity, Tammy wins episode 8 and 9 immunities, Robert wins episode 10 immunity, Vee wins F4 immunity Survivor 5 - Chuay Ghan comes back and erases SJ's lead 2002 NFC North Champs   Top

JohnMc 2679 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 12-04-02, 04:33 PM (EST) 25. "RE: Jake goes" <<The question is, who is the surprise bootee? I think any of the CG's going before Jake would be a shock to the general audience--and I think the only logical way a CG goes before Jake is if Jake gets immunity. Assuming he does, and the CGs are forced to start cannibalizing their own,which one goes?>> If we are going to pick a bootee, we need to keep the surprise factor into account. Therefore, that should allow us to rule Jake out, since he is the obvious boot. Who has had plenty of face time, though there really isn't much of a story to tell? Brian. We don't really know much about his personal life, short of having a gorgeous wife and kid and a nice car that he probably got used. We have been told that the islanders did know that he was did "movies" and that didn't affect the game. He likes to have fun as seen in the elephant trip and in the drunken fake merge. But who is he on an emotional level? I don't know, but that doesn't seem like much of a story to tell. He's here on business, and that's it. He's been shown as a conniving gamesman who says one thing to your face and a second behind your back, yet only to the camera. EPM is showing us his strategy of not getting too close, and that is allowing him to be in control. Jake knows that Brian is in control of CG/CJ. He has talked to Helen about the pecking order and the fact the she isn't that high. What is the pecking order? Clearly, after the Pagong show is over, it's ladies first... first out, that is. If Jake wins immunity, then Helen and Jan have an opportunity to try and get rid of a guy to even things out, but it would still end up in a tie. But Ted didn't get to go on the elephant ride, and if he's smart he'll see that Brian and Clay, not Brian and Ted, are the alliance. Ted can swing the vote against either Brian or Clay (but if he does, he risks losing a jury vote if he makes F2). Lots can happen in 9 days. Clay may be on the outside, though we have heard that he voted for Jake to save Penny's jury vote and not necessarily because he's an outsider. Brian is the biggest jury threat as well as challenge threat. If Jake had immunity and I was on the island, I'd be voting of Brian next.   Top

AZ_Leo 3526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 12-04-02, 06:18 PM (EST) 26. "What about Helen getting the boot?" My posts are usually ignored but I thought I would throw this out there anyway. Most people seem to gloss over Helen as the possible bootee. However if the CG's do start to cannibalize themselves for whatever reason (Jake gets immunity, etc.) then Helen would be a more logical target for Brian/Clay/Ted. Overall, she is stronger than Jan. She has proven to be a threat in the challenges by already winning immunity once, almost winning one reward challenge (and I'm not convinced she didn't throw that), lost the next reward because her partner, Jan, fell. She's been shown as more of a game player than Jan. Jake has been trying to woo her to his side and may have planted ideas of turning on her tribemates, or at least gotten her tribemates to consider the possibility. Jan, on the other hand, seems to be a follower taking orders from the "king" as opposed to thinking for herself. She can be trusted to do what she is told. She would probably vote for Helen if the guys told her to, preventing a tie situation. Her boot would certainly be a surprise based on what I have read on the boards. Have I missed something that says that Helen isn't a possibility? Please point me in the right direction if I have. Also just a note: I'm not sure most of the general viewing audience even knows the episodes have titles, much less what they are.   Top

frisky 11695 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-04-02, 11:27 PM (EST) 27. "RE: What about Helen getting the boot?" HI, Leo! You have just listed all of the reasons why I voted for Helen on the boot thread today. I agree that she is the most logical one to go first in the CG's. The gender alliances still exist (even though they are full of little sub-alliances) and the men are clearly in control at CG. Helen, like T-Bird and Amber before her, has missed her chance to flip-flop and change the game. Her loyalty to Brian will be her undoing. >I'm not sure most of the general viewing audience even knows the episodes have titles, much less what they are. I didn't know the episodes had titles until I started roaming these boards. I think the titles are MB throwing a bone for all us SB'ers to chomp upon. >"My posts are usually ignored..." People may not respond to your message, but will read what you say and maybe nod and say "that's right, good thinking" without writing. I do that. I don't usually post a response unless I have something to add to either further or counter that person's argument. All these many tidbits of info and ideas coming from many different people evolve and turn into my weekly pick for IC, RC, bootie and winner. Please keep contributing!   Top

AZ_Leo 3526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 12-05-02, 11:21 AM (EST) 28. "RE: What about Helen getting the boot?" I was beginning to think I was the only one who remembered Helen. Thanks for the encouragement.   Top

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