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"MB screwed Brian??"
mindella27 27 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 06:38 AM (EST)
 
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"MB screwed Brian??" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-15-02 AT 06:42 AM (EST) First things first, Brians video from home should have been viewed privately by him, thats it!! He worked so hard to win, and than basically got screwed. Brian looked pissed. His wife is a total IDIOT. How dumb can you be, I guess just look at her, eye candy. He did share the drink though. Also last night you saw how often he cracks jokes. Im starting to agree with other posters when they say his women coments are tongue in cheeck.
Personal opinion is we just saw Brians kingdom. He has Ted in his left pocket, Clay in his right, and Jan and Helen in both his back pockets. He is shrewd. I think Jake will go next week, or possibly Clay. He has had a little of a jump in face time. I want Brian to win but im not so sure now, im seeing him as being third, or possibly second. He just seems edited that way. He will make final three but could possibly lose and not be taken due to his wealth, or could be taken due to that. Brian is just about the most interesting character left on the show. Ted is a loner, despondent underdog?? Jan and Helen im not to sure about. I think Jan is more safe than we think. Helen could go you never know. She annoys some with her recipees. But, I dont think all the women mind as much as the men do. Therefor in conclusion the tape let everyone know that Brian is doing very well for himself. He also knows the Suckies want him gone. Jake is going next week because they might view him as a trouble maker, or threat, but maybe Clay for disloyalty, or Ted because of being a loner? This is a tough choice, any insight from you guys would be greatly appreciated.
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 07:20 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: MB screwed Brian??" |
I agree, it was ridiculous for everyone to watch Brian's tape like that. But I don't agree that his wife is "a total idiot." That's pretty strong language and a harsh judgement based on one video made for a loved one who is away from home.MB also seems to emphasize when someone wants quality time alone. I recall Jerri Manthey in Survivor 2 doing that before the maze challenge, and it got lots of airtime. Now Ted is getting face-time for his little canoe trip. I would also agree that a pagonging of Svckie is about to happen. 
"All of us necessarily hold many casual opinions that are ludicrously wrong simply because life is far too short for us to think through even a small fraction of the topics that we come across. -- Julian Simon Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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jkokoj 4389 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 09:59 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: MB screwed Brian??" |
It was obvious that Brian was upset that he had to watch his video with the rest of the tribe. What kind of reward is that? That whole scenerio went against his strategy.Brian could be in trouble though. Clay and Jake seem to be working things pretty hard. Clay set up Ted for those three votes. Remember the survivors as well as the audience still have no clue how a tie will be broken. Clay has 2 votes and I am sure he wants to be sure that his other tribemates have at least the same amount if not more than him. While Jake is working it hard, he is going to be dumped pretty quick. I think Helen/Ted are misdirection for a boot next week. Jake has had the most air time the last 2 weeks of anyone. 
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katem 3315 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 10:31 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: MB screwed Brian??" |
>Brian could be in trouble though.
> Clay and Jake seem
>to be working things pretty
>hard. Clay set up
>Ted for those three votes.
> Remember the survivors as
>well as the audience still
>have no clue how a
>tie will be broken.
>Clay has 2 votes and
>I am sure he wants
>to be sure that his
>other tribemates have at least
>the same amount if not
>more than him. I said this in the misdirection thread. I don't think Brian is in trouble at all. Brian is in full control of this thing. I strongly believe he convinced Clay to organize the vote against Ted. Both Ted and Clay believe that Brian will go with them to the finals. It appears Ted will find out who was behind those votes. According to the Suckies (Jake will tell Ted) it was Clay. Brian smells like a rose in all this. Helen's comments about the cars was possible misdirection. Jake's motives for voting off Brian were because B is strong contender for the cash. In conclusion Brian is very well liked and respected. AND, he's manipulating the other two guys in his tribe, and possibly the ladies as well. Jake is going to stir up trouble next week, before he is voted off. 
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lizzmac 131 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 01:28 PM (EST)
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24. "Helen's comments" |
Katem wrote:Brian smells like a rose in all this. Helen's comments about the cars was possible misdirection. Jake's motives for voting off Brian were because B is strong contender for the cash
------------- What I noticed about Helen's comments is that they seemed *much* different to me in context, last night. In the preview, it sounded as though she was talking as though *she* would find the car(s) reason enough to vote someone off, since they didn't need the money. Last night - we didn't tape it, so I can't give you an exact quote - but there was some extra little comment in there that made me think, it's more like she's *afraid* the video/car/piano would give someone *else* a reason to vote him off - as though, hmmmm, maybe there's an alliance there, and she doesn't want to see Brian gone so soon? Lizzmac
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GeorgiaBelle 2136 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 03:51 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: Helen's comments" |
What I noticed about Helen's comments is that they seemed *much* different to me in context, last night. In the preview, it sounded as though she was talking as though *she* would find the car(s) reason enough to vote someone off, since they didn't need the money.I took it as she could find two cars a reason to vote him off. Helen said "With the nice brand new two cars in the garage and the baby grand piano, it looks like Brian is doing pretty damn good for himself. If I were against Brian right now, that would be enough to vote him off. Because I would be going this guy does not need the money." The keywords appear to be "...right now..." I think she will try and use this against him if it suits her purpose and continues her stay on the island. Brian at one point did say the tape revealed more about his family than he would have liked to have revealed.
Wherever shall I go whatever shall I do.
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weltek 16936 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 10:32 AM (EST)
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8. "Brian took a chance" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-15-02 AT 10:33 AM (EST)I think every time you win an challenge, you take a risk of putting a target on your head for future votes. The survivor's need to realize that being UTR in challenges (especially rewards) is sometimes best. If you remember, in S1 wasn't the video shown to everyone when the reward was won? I don't think MB manipulated the rules, I think he was just overjoyed at the way Brian's wife set him up. I do wonder about what we DIDN'T see afterwards. Brian probably managed to make up a good reason for the Tahiti (or Figi or whatever) trip comment (we didn't have much of a honeymoon or something like that) and he probably explained the cars by being the car salesman. I think MB made this out to be a bigger deal than it will be in the grand scheme of things.
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LionChow 2033 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 10:38 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: MB screwed Brian??" |
I would tweak mindella's wording a bit and say that, whether she is or is not an idiot, she came off as being vapid and greedy. Showing off the nice house, the piano and the cars completely undermined Brian's game strategy, and yes, he did not seem pleased about it at all. I think a lot of his jokes were rushed attempts at damage control. He had to be cringing inside watching that video. "Win the million dollars so you can bring ME to Fiji. Here let ME shake my a$$ for you". Talk about a DAW!! Also, if you're Brian, why go out of your way to antagonize Ken at Tribal Council. If you make it to the end, you're going to need Ken's vote, so why call him a lazy bum who didn't carry his weight? Totally unnecessary. 
Though it was a nice a$$...
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frisky 11695 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 11:54 AM (EST)
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12. "Mark the Manipulator" |
Who directs the videos? Don't you think it's a little odd that instead of spending her video time holding the child and talking to Brian, updating him on stuff, we love you, we miss you, she TAKES BRIAN FOR A TOUR OF HIS OWN HOUSE? He knows what his friggin house looks like! The director says "OK, let's get a shot of the car...let's get a shot of the piano." The whole Fiji thing sounded like BB's Tonya in the Turks and Caicos talking about her ta-ta's and her ya-ya's. I wonder how many takes they had to do before she got it right. The whole thing was a set up. That tour of his own house was just too much. If I were sending hubby a message from home I sure as hell wouldn't say, "See, hunny, here's your truck just where you left it." WTF?? Who is King Mark trying to manipulate? Us. First, he gives us Helen's comment which has been edited significantly enough for it to be taken entirely out of context. Second, he gives us the video scene, panning over the tribemates faces as they solemnly watch Brian's video. We don't know what they're thinking, but because EPM has already fed our collective subconscious with Helen's remark in the previews, we automatically assume that they are fuming because Brian has the nerve to compete for a million bucks when he already has stuff. They were probably just thinking, "Geez, I wish I'd won" or "I wish I could hold my baby" or "Gawd, my wife looked great" or "Gawd, Brian's wife looks great"... This was all just an effort to make us think Brian is in trouble. In Burnettese, that means he isn't.
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 12:50 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Mark the Manipulator" |
Don't you think it's a little odd that instead of spending her video time holding the child and talking to Brian, updating him on stuff, we love you, we miss you, she TAKES BRIAN FOR A TOUR OF HIS OWN HOUSE? He knows what his friggin house looks like!This isn't as odd as you think. My brother received a video from his girlfriend in NYC last Christmas. She went on a tour of their favorite restaurants, even ordering and eating some of their favorite dishes on camera. The video also went to places they would go to, friends' apartments (everyone waving hello), and some footage of my brother while he was in NYC. Of course, my brother was well aware of what these places looked like. Point being: She was giving a tour to Brian of what he's going to be coming home to when he gets done with Survivor (and that's what her little dance was for, too  ). These tapes are supposed to be reminders of home, and that's exactly what Brian got.
"All of us necessarily hold many casual opinions that are ludicrously wrong simply because life is far too short for us to think through even a small fraction of the topics that we come across. -- Julian Simon Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 12:54 PM (EST)
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21. "Agree" |
frisky, I agree completely. If this isn't a classic example of EPM misdirection, I'll eat my tape of one of the Survivor 1 or 2 episodes.
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OceanSkater 315 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 12:00 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: MB screwed Brian??" |
I did not know there was a salary cap and ownership limitations to be on a game show. I mentioned this else where, how did ALL the contestant afford to take 2 months off from work? They don't get paid up front?As for Mrs Heidrick, she is very cute and in great shape. They do live close to a poppy reserve and therefore might have been exposed to some poppy spores! I say go for it, Mrs H. I did not like that everyone got to see his tape, that was low. If she thought the tape was for him only, WTF, Ted grinded too, it just was too dark to get on film. I think Jake's had his face time. Time for him to get hosed! (reference to opening shots where all but three are shown with a stream of water over their pic, so far the three "dry" ones are still in game)
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 12:00 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: MB screwed Brian??" |
If Brian has ever watched the previous Survivors he should have known that the video may be viewed in front of everyone. They have done that before. And he knows his wife and lifestyle better than anyone. So why did he want to win? He stayed underwater longer than anyone last week. Then he wins this. Why doesn't he just put a target on himself. I think his own cockiness is going to do him in. Ken doesn't like Brian and Ken is now on the jury where he can influence others.
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frisky 11695 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 12:33 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: HUH?" |
Umm...can't speak for others here but if my post had been intended to be a "Brian's fan" post I would have put it on the Fanatics board. There's some good speculation in this thread if you look for it. Sure, some postings are more suited more for...say...BASHERS, but that's typical for post-show Friday.  >>Brian screwed himself and Im glad they let everyone watch his video so this A-hole wont win. He obviously makes a good living, has a hot wife... Sounds like you got sucked in by Mark. ;)
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frisky 11695 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 01:21 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: HUH?" |
(Isn't Ghandia's list irrelevant now that jury selection is underway? Don't the people who get booted off now go to a different Loser Lodge?)I agree that Brian is just, well, a jerk. At least he is being edited as one. But who is to say that it isn't time (again) for "The Jerk" to win Survivor. Lex bugged us, he lost. Kathy irritated people, she lost. Yet, when it was all over, you kind of think these people played the best and maybe they should have won instead of that boring nice guy/girl. In the past six months, CBS has crowned Vecepia (yawn) and Lisa (snore) reality queens, much to the dismay of people on this very site, some of whom even vowed never to watch these shows ever, EVER again!!! Maybe CBS is thinking...OK, it's time. I'm not saying all this because I'm a Brian fan or because I want him to win or because I think he will win, I just think that we can't discount him as the winner just because he is being edited as the bad guy. Don't forget the running theme this year...ASSUMPTIONS.
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ulalame 778 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 12:41 PM (EST)
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17. "Brian's video, Fiji and Rewards." |
I think that Brian made a mistake by winning the reward challenge. Wasn't it in S1 that Dicque made the point of not winning rewards just so as to keep resentment of his control position to a minimum. It was bad strategy for Brian to win that reward, and I think he realized it when the video was shown.As to the video itself, his wife may not have been subtle, but who thinks about that when making a video to a loved one? She wanted to remind him of all that he was missing at home, is all. And, unlike others, I think the Fiji comment was relatively inocuous. To me, it looked like Brian's wife may have been a Pacific Islander--perhaps she's from Fiji and a lifelong dream has been to go back and visit her family/friends? If that's the story, it will be pretty easy for Brian to do some spin control after the fact to reduce the damage done by appearances.
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shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 08:28 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: MB did NOT screw Brian" |
>Still, I doubt the repercussions
>are that severe. The one
>person we know who worries
>about money and status is
>Helen, and as Helen herself
>said, she's currently allied with
>Brian and not going to
>break that just because he
>doesn't need the money.
You're rigth, and you're wrong. Let's fastforward a bit to the final vote and see for ourselves just how "severe" those repercussions can be...
Final Votes: For Brian: Clay, Ted, Jan For Penny: Jake, Erin, Ken, and Helen, cause Brian doesn't need the money.
Looks pretty severe to me...thanks for the foreshadowing, MB.
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ZJ 137 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 10:40 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: MB did NOT screw Brian" |
And cos Penny bothers to listen to Helen's recipes???
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snoocharoo 1 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 01:40 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: MB screwed Brian??" |
Brian may not have been screwed but his stock plummeted rapidly. First of all he knows that his wife is NO stranger to video (or swinging around a pole). He apologized for her behavior even before they ever played the tape. He was scared to death of that tape. I could see the wheels spinning in his mind and the look of dread on his face. IMHO, his wife did him a great disservice and DID damage to his percieved image among the other tribe mates. She planted the seeds of jealousy and in her ignorance commited a Survivor sin...she put their personal life on display for all to see and pass judgement on. IMHO, Brian's wife is all gift wrap and no gift, which is sad because I think Brian is pretty damn smart and could have won this game if he had not been exposed in such a way.Whether or not it's irrepairable is another story. I do think that MB was misdirecting us and setting us up to believe that Brian is in danger. But what Helen said is crucial in spoiling that Brian is currently not in danger: "If I WASN"T on Brian's side, two cars and nice house would be enough to vote him off" She point blank stated that she is aligned to some extent with Brian regardless of his status is R/L. Brian's status in life won't become a factor unless he is in the F2 and even at that point it depends on who he is up against.
I did LMAO watching Clay DROOL over Brian's wife. What a dirty old man.
Snoocharoo
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings
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11-15-02, 03:37 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: MB screwed Brian??" |
I agree. I don't think there are any really close bonds this season. They are all in it for themselves. I would not be surprised to see any of these players vote another one out. Their loyalties are only for as long as they think it helps themselves.
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