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MikeD 344 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 11-14-02, 04:36 PM (EST) "SECRET ALLIANCES" Why are we to believe that Brian and Jake have a secret alliance? Is it because they went fishing or to get water together and bonded? Im confused - did I miss something? What on earth would make Brian think that he could possibly win against Jake in the end when the jury would mostly be made up of Chuy Guan's PO'd about getting double crossed by him? Wouldnt he be committing survivor suicide? Any solo Chuy Guan that has made any kind of secret alliance with any member of Sookie at this point of the game is just plain stupid. Im very curious about this because I think I must have missed something - I saw Penny and Ted talking together alone this last episode - do they possibly have a secret alliance? Any info would greatly help my confusion. Gracias.   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: SECRET ALLIANCES zzz 11-14-02 1    RE: SECRET ALLIANCES Wacko Jacko 11-14-02 2        If anything Jake and Brian are the ... TribalTex29 11-14-02 4  ET/Extra info Elwood 11-14-02 3  RE: SECRET ALLIANCES Cin 11-14-02 5

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zzz 703 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 11-14-02, 05:18 PM (EST) 1. "RE: SECRET ALLIANCES" I agree with you. People seem too ready to convince themselves of "secret alliances." Looking back--I can't really think of any secret alliances. In S1--we know about the Tagi-4 pretty early in the series. In S2--we know that Tina and Colby were aligned pretty early (there may be been a secret "sub-alliance" but not a secret alliance--and we will never know for sure that Tina would not have taken Keith to the finals--we just know that Colby really disliked Keith and was willing to give up $900,000 to show his dislike). In S3--we knew about Lex, Tom and Ethan's alliance from almost the beginning. We also knew about the other alliances going on (e.g., the 5-5 split along age lines). In S4--we knew about the Fatal Four's alliance that was taken down by Pappy and Neleh. We knew about the alliance and even the sub-alliances among the final 5. So far in S5--we knew just from the voting patterns that there was an alliance of 5 in SJ(we just were not certain that Shii-Ann was the fifth wheel, although we had pretty solid suggestions that she was). MB has not shown a history of completely hiding an alliance for a long period of time (maybe an episode or two, but not too long). Maybe he got a unique opportunity to do that here because the alliance members were not required to vote together (and thus reveal their alliance too soon) and thus could keep the alliance under wraps for many episodes. Besides, alliance forming is good TV. He likes to show these deals. If such a deal were made--he would love to show it--especially if it made a "pagonging" less likely. I agree that there is no real evidence of any "secret alliances." Right now there seem to be tribal alliances--which may break down. There are probably some hidden sub-alliances (e.g., there seems to be a big debate whether Jake is more loyal to Penny or Ken--not that it may matter much after the merge) but I doubt there are any totally hidden alliances. And if it turns out that I am wrong and there are secret alliances, anyone who predicts them before hand was mostly just guessing.   Top

Wacko Jacko 2438 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model" 11-14-02, 05:51 PM (EST) 2. "RE: SECRET ALLIANCES" Wait a minute! We did not know the alliance Colby and Tina had. We were lead to believe Keith had a stronger role in the alliance than was shown. Also the same can be said for Africa. Did we know that Kim Johnson was apart of an alliance or not? Not really. Every alliance is hidden at this point except Ted and Brian. because they have not came out and said anything about any other relationships. I do agree though that there is too much analyzing. I don't see any evidence of a Brian/Jake alliance just because the went out on the canoe together. Sometimes if you read some of the reasons for choosing a bootee it is laughable.   Top

TribalTex29 63 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 11-14-02, 07:43 PM (EST) 4. "If anything Jake and Brian are the biggest enemies..." From my point of view, Jake and Brian will be the biggest threat to each other. Jake was trying to get dirt from Brian and vice versa. Brian is no dummy. Jake and Ken are cornered animals. Something in me says that if Penny can get in good with Brian, and Jake with Jan or Helen then the tribal lines with become squiggled and anyone has a chance.   Top

Elwood 93 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 11-14-02, 07:41 PM (EST) 3. "ET/Extra info" Just saw this, didn't think it deserved it's own thread (so close to air time). Voiceover talking about SJ scrambling. Pictures of everyone sitting, then closeups of about 5 of them, ending on Jake saying (in what sounded like it was cut from a much longer sentence). "...get rid of Brian, and if we get rid of Brian TONIGHT.." Probably means Brian is safe, don't ya think? But also seems like maybe it becomes 'known' that he's the leader of CG, even to a CG or two that might not have truly believed it.   Top

Cin 843 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-14-02, 07:44 PM (EST) 5. "RE: SECRET ALLIANCES" I just saw that too, I guess that means we know how Jake wants to stir things up. I do think Brian is safe. Cin   Top

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