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"Brian's Seed"
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11-09-02, 11:05 PM (EST)
 
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"Brian's Seed" |
If you've been over at Bashers lately, you have probably noticed a lively debate sparked by Brian's derogatory remarks about women. I, for one, am not convinced that Brian truly holds these opinions. As I said in my post at Bashers, there is something in his tone that says the words are forced and contrived. Then I got thinking, why would Brian purposefully try to label himself a chauvinist if he really isn't one, how does this advance him in the game, and how can this help us as spoilers? The answer? Brian is playing his endgame, and EPM is sticking it right in our faces. Brian is planting seeds to get himself into the final two. Hence, the title of this theory: BRIAN'S SEED  1. Brian sees himself in the finals with the boys.
* His primary alliance in CG is with a guy
* He hangs out with the guys
* In his recruiting talks with Shii Anne, he was interested not only in her turncoating, but in her bringing a guy or two from SJ with her
* After the departure of Shii Anne, he goes after Jake himself (as opposed to charming Penny and Erin)
* While he can see himself in a partnership with Jake, he sees Penny as manipulative and as a rival (in his confessional) 2. Brian knows that if he gets to the final three with two guys, then the jury will be stacked with women. 3. Brian knows that he has two ways to get to the final two: win immunity, or lose it and be the guy that the other guy takes with him because he thinks he can beat him in the finals based on the opinions of the jury members. 4. Brian makes sexist comments to the men. The guys are thinking that the girls must really hate this. Even Clay dares Brian to make the comments in front of the women. Brian's speech about the division of labour makes the guys think that the women must be really irritated with Brian. 5. The women, meantime, are oblivious to Brian's supposed opinions. From Erin's chat:
"Q: Do you think Brian was too much on his comments about women?
A: While I was there, I never heard any of his comments but now watching the show I do think his comments about women were a little too much." So what does Brian have to gain by making these comments to the guys and withholding them from the women? That bring me to... 6. The Endgame:
In Brian's mind, if he doesn't win immunity in the final three, a guy would take him to the final two thinking that the mostly-female jury would not vote for him. Meanwhile, Brian has not openly offended any of the women, so he has a good chance of getting their vote, and the guy who took him to the jury ends up with $100,000 and egg on his face. How this helps the spoilers:
Now that jury-selection is underway, King Brian will start eliminating the women from his kingdom, increasing the odds that he gets into the final three with two men. Watch for him to get the guys from SJ on side (using Clay as the middle man to maintain subtlety). Watch for the women to get eliminated one by one over the next few weeks. Watch Brian continue to belittle the women in private conversations with the other men. Brian's confessionals are the only ones that reveal strategy. Brian talks about his kingdom and his sharklike manouevres. He is sowing his seeds right in front of our eyes, which is very much in contrast to the lack of exposure of the winner of S4.
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ivoryElephant 2257 desperate attention whore postings
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11-10-02, 01:35 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Brian's Seed" |
Your post just made me think of something, It is a bit off tangent but here it goes.In Survivor4 Sean and Vee were talking on the beach and they mentioned how it was different for "them" and the thing everyone else had in common was "that". Basically they were saying it was harder for them to win because they were the minority/black. Some people claimed Sean or Vee must win or MB wouldn't have put it in there. So I am wondering if the same is true for Brians remarks.
Will a woman win? "I got a kiss from Clay Jordan, oh my god am I queen for a day" - Helen Glover
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11-10-02, 06:46 AM (EST)
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3. "Even with his strategy, Brian may not win" |
First things first, it was mentioned in the shots that images of a survivor's new car may spell trouble for him. Based on the Vid-caps, it looks like Brian's wife and son in there. It can't be Jake's wife as the one in the Vid-cap is too young. Ken's not married, Ted kids are older. Clay has two grown up kids I am sure. It can't be any of the ladies videos as why would they show another woman carrying a boy? So it must be Brians'.
So if the other survivors are really going to buy the idea that he does not deserve to win because of the new car, he could leave as early as the next episode if it is individual immunity challenge.
Even if he makes it to the final two, he still may not win.
Firstly, if one of the Sook Jai is the other final two, at this point of time, it would seem that he/she would get the 3 automatic votes from the voted off Sook Jai's members. I don't think Brian had the time to win Erin's vote, neither has any of the other Chewy Gan members. So unless Erin changes her opinion of her tribe and decideds not to give her vote to any of them, a Sook Jai has one up. Also based on Survivor 2, Alicia voted for Tina based on strategy. Mainly because she did not have the time to get to know many of them well enough and down to the crunch, she valued strategy over Cobly's individual strengths. If Brian is in the final with another Chewy Gan member, this could work in his favour as Erin could give him her vote.If Penny makes it to the final 2, Jake would give her his vote, so would Erin and maybe Ken. At the moment Ken is sort of the egima. He doesn't seem to be doing anything right now, alliance building or otherwise, but chances is that he would give his vote to a Sook Jai finalist if he is voted out the next episode. As for Chewy Gan, if Brian takes any of them in, he may not get votes from the other 3 naturally or the other four if it is a CG/SJ final. Most likely he would get one from Ted, provided he is not the one who directly betrayed Ted or was involved in Ted's kicking out. As for Clay, Jan and Helen, there is hardly any visible alliance because mainly they have not been to any tribal council yet. This could mean that they could be the Pagong of Survivor 5. While Ted and Brian seems to have a firm alliance, I feel that Jan, Clay and Helen or opportunist who would vote as according to the situation, but this could end up with a split vote. With Sook Jai all voting against Brian, (3) With Brian and Ted voting against someone else and the other 3 picking differnt targets. There is always the possibility that Brian goes out with a 3 vote. Because SookJai quite clearly knows that he is the ringleader and have hte potential for further trouble and they could cause trouble by bringing up the car issue. Brian, unlike Richard does not have a firm alliance with Clay, Helen and Jan and have not been seen trying to make one. Further more, all the talk about his kingdom and the woman remarks makes him look poise for a voting out. Remember John?
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OceanSkater 315 desperate attention whore postings
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11-10-02, 06:33 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Brian's Seed" |
Brian is a used car salesman. He could sell ice to an Eskimo. All his "chauvinistic" babbling has been done in jest, not in front of any woman, mind you, and with a smirk. I think he is mocking CLAY! We don't see everyting that goes on, and if anyone were to have a caveman view of women, it would be Clay, not Brian. The guy does porn, for crying out loud! Think he tells the girls before the shoot they ought to think about staying home and raising a family? Fluff this, hon...and let's discuss the origin of the species. Brian is showing what Brian wants us to see AND what he wants MB to see as well. His video clip on the E8 recap at CBS.com has me wondering if he didn't take the entire production for a slow boat ride to China. His most honest moment was when he voted Tanya off, out of genuine concern. Brian is there for the money, it's his business trip. As the episodes go on he is getting more and more comfortable BSing with the camera as well. What's MB gonna do? Edit him out completely or show us some of the BS to outrage the viewer? In this unexciting a season, Brian's comments are making for a lot of talk.
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George Tirebiter 2982 desperate attention whore postings
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11-11-02, 06:53 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Brian's Seed" |
I agree that Brian thinks he is terribly clever. . . It's easy to get distracted by his smarmy porn personna--what I think is really dangerous about him is that he is a USED CAR SALESMAN, which means he probably IS pretty adept at playing the weasel.How does a salesman stay in business? By becoming adept at assuming the personality of whoever he's trying to work. He will adopt the mark's speech patterns, mannerisms, and spout whatever gibberish he thinks they want to hear. In a way, it's probably remarkable that porn was the main route his acting "career" took, because he's probably quite an experienced actor, in the used car biz. Not that I don't think he's really a Neanderthal at heart, but he's a slippery one. There's obviously some twisted method to his madness. Obviously, if any of these people are dumb enough to believe a word he says, they deserve to be taken to the cleaners. GT
God must love the common man. She made so many of them.
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11-11-02, 08:06 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Brian's Seed" |
The fact that Gdiva said in her interview (or chat) that Brian was a "chameleon" implies that he is probably trying to be different things to different people..... maybe he gets caught in his lies down the road. I just thought it was interesting that she used that word to describe him. I don't think he wins.
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11-12-02, 03:50 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Brian's Seed" |
Well, I made a comment regarding this in the chat last week and it's odd that a lot of people don't feel the same way.Brian does not win. All of this is edited. The winner is never edited in a bad light. They may be edited as "cocky" about the game, like Rich, and Brian has had his share of cockyness too, but he's also been acting like an out and out a$$hole. Sorry, but it just wouldn't do for CBS to have a "controversial" winner. MB had every opportunity to make Brian a real player and to edit out anything bad about him. But he didn't. Brian is being set up, either as the final 2 loser, where he will lose to a woman (either Jan or Helen), making the show that much more satisfying in the end, when the smarmy pig loses, no matter if we actually like the winner or not (See Vee and Neleh - Vee was just boring and Neleh was never enough of a villain for anyone to be glad Vee won) or he will be going soon due to the outside members of CG (who are women!) forming a block with SJ. -----------------------------------
Now let us never speak of S3 again.  
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11-12-02, 04:41 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Brian's Seed" |
I don't disagree that Brian may not win, but I actually really like him! As most of you have said, he is doing an acting schtick for the viewing audience and I for one think it is hilarious. I think he is playing a great game and thus far has not pissed off the other players, only maybe some in the audience. I know I hated Dique and so did many others. And I so did not want him to win. But in retrospect, he was by far the most deserving winner. (Tina only one by default b/c Colby is an idjut)Of all 16 of the S5 contestant, Brian is being shown to be playing the game the hardest (and best). After 2 back to back UTR final 2 pairings, and the most invisible winner ever, hurt the show, I am hoping MB is back to showcasing the winner, thinking we as spoliers determine Brian CAN'T win beacause of his editing. Go PornoMan go! 
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Witless 84 desperate attention whore postings
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11-13-02, 01:27 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: Brian's Seed" |
>Welcome Witless!
>Thank you for the info.
>I am sure that now that
>you have 'seen it all',
>you'll go back to watching
>the G and PG movies
>we all love to watch
>here at SB, like Charlotte's
>Web, Babe, and Charlie and
>the Chocolate Factory, RIGHT??? 
>Thank you for the welcome! You obviously haven't seen any Skinemax movies, LOL. You don't see it all unless they missed something in the editing (which happens sometimes, and let's just say you can tell in a glimpse that those guys are really bored by their work) and the simulated sex is just about as bad as the atrocious acting. You do see a lot of the girls; Brian and Erin should have a few things to talk about, as Erin and his wife have a couple of things in common. But if you have insomnia all the time and need a cheap laugh or ten, there ya go. Charlotte's Web isn't usually on at 2 a.m. or I'm sure I'd be watching that instead o . (Desperately seeking Spoiler content so I don't get in trouble) I would imagine that Brian's video from home has the potential to cause him a lot of trouble. I doubt that his porn past will come out, no matter what CC does for the camera, but I'll bet they are living very large compared to a lot of the others. CC undoubtedly makes pretty good money herself and Brian brags about his income. Then there's the fact that CC is very pretty and rather exotic looking; I'll bet some of the others look at her, look at their house and wonder what the heck he's there for when he's got all that at home. (Don't hurt me)
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Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings
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11-13-02, 09:25 AM (EST)
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26. "Editing - Why Brian does not win (think S2)" |
Brian does not win. There are editing reasons to suggest that Brian does not win that are unrelated to the way his personality has been edited. My argument is based on the alliances and how they have been presented. I'm being reminded of S2, where we were shown all of the main alliances except for the key alliance. We knew Tina and Keith were aligned, we knew Lis and Rodger were aligned, and we knew Jerri and Amber were aligned. We also had Colby as a focal point of the story, and he had a lot of confessionals telling us about how the game was played. At the time, I even used that to deduce that he would win the final IC and decide who to take to the finals with him. We also knew he was with Keith and Tina in an alliance of 3, but did not know of his final 2 pact with Tina until the end. Now, let's look at S5:
- We know that Ted and Brian have talked alliance, and that in Ted's mind, it's to the end. Is Ted playing the Keith role this season?
- We have been seeing a lot of confessionals with Brian regarding strategy.
- We suspect they have a third with them, but we don't know for sure who it is. We can suspect Clay based on gender lines, but the Ted/Brian alliance discussion several episodes made Clay look like more of an outsider. I think the fact that the third member of this alliance has been hidden means that person is the winner. Could Brian be the winner of the final IC and backstab Ted to choose his true ally for the final 2? Why don't I think that the alliance of 3 is Clay, Helen, and Jan?
- Both Helen and Jan have voted for Clay.
- Jan was quoted as saying that "Clay doesn't forgive". We were shown that quote in the episode after Ghandia's departure, where Jan acknowledged that she would be the next to go should the Chewies have to return to TC.   
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings
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11-13-02, 11:10 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: Editing - Why Brian does not win (think S2)" |
I think Brian and Ted may be looking for a 3rd in their alliance and decide to take Penny along. Either they drop their present 3rd choice (Clay, Helen, Jan?) and take Penny instead. Or they just realize they should have a 3rd and pick her. But they may think Penny will be easily beaten in the final challenge and that she will be willing to manipulate to help them get to final 3. Then when Brian wins the final immunity he decides to take Penny instead of Ted thinking it is a sure win since Penny has been seen as a manipulator and won't be liked. But surprise. Penny has more friends than Brian thought, and he has hurt a few people with his choice. And Penny wins. Either that or Penny surprises Brian and Ted and wins the final IC. But I think Penny and Brian end up in the final and Penny wins. Brian will get so close but lose the final vote. And he will lose to a female.
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings
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11-13-02, 01:58 PM (EST)
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34. "RE: Editing - Why Brian does not win (think S2)" |
Oh I would rather Jake win too. But it just seems that it is being set up for Brian to lose to a female. And if a Sookie wins that only leaves Penny. And they are showing us that Jake and Ken are plotting to try and get in with the other tribe. So it would be ironic if they try but it is Penny that succeeds. I just think Brian may admire that Penny is a manipulator like himself and we never did hear what all they discussed when they were paired with the paint. Hmmm?
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OceanSkater 315 desperate attention whore postings
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11-13-02, 06:51 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: Editing - Why Brian does not win (think S2)" |
I think you hit the nail on the head. I think that third person is Penny who is a package deal with Jake, for the momment.
I also have a feeling little Penny is not such a weak link in the challenges. She has had a problem with the WATER challenges,(in which she was NOT even considered as a boot from her allied tribe) but she sure was running the show at the ball launching challenge and at the blind folded cart carrying event.
She is a CHEERLEADER and it's a very competitive and backstabbing line of work! BOPS take gymnastic classes, are fit and can smile under any kind of pressure. They can SNAP easily too. A cheerleader would be the ultimate irony as a Survivor winner! And why does Erin say Penny is NOT evil, just playing the game on her interviews? Yet she has no problem admitting what a pain SHII-ANN was. And Jed says she's "a sweetheart, everybody's sweetheart"? Because they would be seen as BAD SPORTS down the line for slamming the winner!!!!! Let's see what tonight's BOOT says about Penny on their oustings interview. Bet ya it's all GOOD!
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OceanSkater 315 desperate attention whore postings
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11-14-02, 02:08 AM (EST)
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38. "RE: Brian's Seed" |
It's being judgemental and closed minded. I would expect that out of Clay for sure.
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11-13-02, 11:33 AM (EST)
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29. "got my padding on...." |
And ready to be slammed, but I don't really see Brians comments about the women/men division of labor being all that bad. And yes, I am female and one who does take offense to that kind of stuff. I admit I have missed some of each episode due to my daughter having basketball practice on thurs evening (how dare they!!!) so I could have missed some of the comments. But what I have heard so far, it seems to me that he has just been commenting that it is odd that out there where they are having to live off the land so to speak, the chores have ended up being done the old fashioned way. Men doing the hunting and fishing, women doing the cooking and cleaning. I never thought he was saying it as "look at the women, taking their place in the kitchen" type comments. Just an observation that when put in those types of situations, they have resorted to the women doing woman type work and men doing mens work. I have to admit, if I were there it would be the same way for me. I hate to fish, wouldn't really want to have to go search for water, and would probably volunteer for the cooking/cleaning. I may be the only female that feels that way and I am prepared for slamming, but I don't think Brian has meant the comments in a derrogatory way. Again, he is just making observations in my opinion.
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mizpokey 19 desperate attention whore postings
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11-13-02, 01:30 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: got my padding on...." |
I agree that Brian doesn't really feel that way but I just didn't take it as him trying to get a rise out of anyone. I didn't think his tone was offensive. Now had he said, look at the women, doing the cooking and so forth the way they are meant to then ya, I would take that offensive. But just taking notice of the fact that it is occurring, which it IS occurring, doesnt' strike me as being a male pig, or in this case, trying to fake being one. I actually noticed the same things myself and I think to an extent it is true, women are more prone to doing the cleaning/cooking than the men are. BUT!!! I do NOT think they should be EXPECTED to do those things. If they want to do other things great. I'm one of those that does a lot of so called GUY things, like putting together the furniture in the house, mow the lawn (if the weather is good enough...lol) and stuff like that. But it does come more naturally to me to cook than it does to my husband and that doesn't bother me, nor should it anyone else really. but this is really a whole other debate I guess. I just thought it was odd that Brian was getting a bashing based on his comments when I didn't think they were offensive. To each there own I guess.
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Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings
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11-13-02, 01:58 PM (EST)
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35. "Won't slam, but..." |
I think your comments would be more appropriate on the Bashers forum. And if you check over there, you'll see that there have been discussions started on the topic.From a spoiler/speculation standpoint, people are looking at the strategy that Brian is choosing to play. How will it affect how he perceived by his tribe? Will he lose votes from his standpoint? Can any inferences about his alliances be made from it? And from an editing standpoint, is MB trying to show us reasons that people would be voting against him, or maybe the irony that women will eventually cause the downfall of King Brian? Why, out of all of the footage being taken during those three days, is it relevant to show us these comments? We saw early on the division of labor, but MB doesn't want us to forget it, so they could be some clues there as to the outcome of the game. And here on the spoilers/speculation forum, that's the topic to be addressed - clues to the outcome of the game.
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