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ejm92 2221 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 11-08-02, 00:31 AM (EST) "CBS Misdirection, Ep.9" ON THE NEXT SURVIVOR News from home draws sharp responses for one Survivor and may impact that person's future. A group of Survivors renew their vow to one another and concoct a plan to get one of their own to "infiltrate" the others. Meanwhile, other tribal allegiances fall by the wayside as one Survivor vows to "stir things up." I still think the Jake thing is the news from home...maybe a new car they bought or a new house...the only other thing that it could be is perhaps a family member's death that causes sympathy (which I doubt), or possibly their folks won the lottery and they don't necessarily need to win anymore? Renew their vow sounds like Ken/Jake. Stir things up sounds like a Brian quote, although didn't Jake say something about stirring up in the video preview?   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9 Kokoro 11-08-02 1    CG does need to worry Cathy the Canadian 11-08-02 3        RE: CG does need to worry Kokoro 11-08-02 5            RE: CG does need to worry Cathy the Canadian 11-08-02 9        RE: CG does need to worry Bebo 11-08-02 6            RE: CG does need to worry snoocharoo 11-08-02 7                RE: CG does need to worry Brownroach 11-08-02 10  RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9 samboohoo 11-08-02 2    RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9 Cathy the Canadian 11-08-02 8  Jake jkokoj 11-08-02 4  RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9 frisky 11-08-02 11    The Vow ulalame 11-08-02 14  Final 4 comment steppingrazor42 11-08-02 12    RE: Final 4 comment ejm92 11-08-02 13        RE: Sharp responses from one surviv... tanyafrommd 11-08-02 15            New Promo... Krautboy 11-10-02 17                RE: New Promo... Beazer B 11-12-02 22  RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9 Krautboy 11-10-02 16    RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9 VerucaSalt 11-12-02 18        RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9 Pants Optional 11-12-02 19            RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9 VerucaSalt 11-12-02 20                RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9 Bebo 11-12-02 21

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Kokoro 3899 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 11-08-02, 00:56 AM (EST) 1. "RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9" Yes, Jake is the one who wants to "stir things up", which is leaving me wondering about the infiltration comment. But honestly, I really can't see it being anyone but SJ if it's tribal. CG has no reason at all to care about what's going on with SJ. Would they put in two snippets that basically say exactly the same thing? ----------------------------------- Now let us never speak of S3 again.   Top

Cathy the Canadian 599 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 11-08-02, 10:05 AM (EST) 3. "CG does need to worry" >CG has no reason at >all to care about what's >going on with SJ. I disagree. Helen and Jan know that they're the odd women out in their tribe. It would make sense for them to approach SJ for an alliance. Brian - who's been playing hard all along - has probably realized this potential threat, and plans on beating Helen and Jan to the punch. So they need to be very aware of what's going on in SJ.   Top

Kokoro 3899 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 11-08-02, 10:46 AM (EST) 5. "RE: CG does need to worry" <<I disagree. Helen and Jan know that they're the odd women out in their tribe.>> Do they really, Cathy? I'm assuming that Jan knows she's the weakest and will be next if it's still tribal (but we haven't even seen anything on this), but we've never seen any indication that the girls "know" they're going. Unless Brian and Ted get caught, they have no reason to suddenly want to switch allegiances. ----------------------------------- Now let us never speak of S3 again.   Top

Cathy the Canadian 599 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 11-08-02, 12:25 PM (EST) 9. "RE: CG does need to worry" I'm thinking back to the old "we're divided by sex" thing when Ghandia was voted off. There's three guys and two girls. Even after the merge, if they pagong SJ, and end up with their 5 members, Helen and Jan are likely to go, while the guys remain tight. But if H/J make a new alliance with, say, Ken and Jake, they have a better shot of making final 3. Jan's probably too dumb to pick up on this, but I think Helen would. Of coarse this is all moot if the secret alliance is Helen and Brian, which Bebo points out.   Top

Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-08-02, 11:10 AM (EST) 6. "RE: CG does need to worry" I disagree. Helen and Jan know that they're the odd women out in their tribe. There is a theory that there's a hidden alliance between Helen and Brian, in which case she is not the odd one out. If she believes such an alliance exists, then she would not be approaching SJ. Wonder if Brian stabs Helen in the back...   Top

snoocharoo 1 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 11-08-02, 11:37 AM (EST) 7. "RE: CG does need to worry" bebo, I've been spewing about Brian and Helen as a possible alliance but last night made me rethink things a bit. Helen is being edited as very strange..."make a crust, then coat the bottom with finely chopped walnuts" she's odd. She sat out in the one challenge she had the obvious advantage in and made a comment "oh I got a kiss from Clay Jordan, am I queen for the day?". All this points out that Helen is annoying as hell and has Lex syndrome (not knowing when to SHUT UP), her tribe must be sick of the Betty Crocker crap. I don't think Brian would want an alliance with someone as annoying as Helen because it won't help his cause which is HIMSELF. Perhaps he has a a secret alliance with Granny. In spite of the water works and pet semetary everyone loves Granny and she's no dumb hick. Don't think for a moment that lady isn't up to something. The F3 possibilities are changing with the wind but one person remains consistant...Brian, the question is who does he take to the top? I don't think it's Helen...she's being groomed for a boot. F4 PornoBrian, Jake, Granny and EvilPenny....thoughts, ideas????   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-08-02, 12:41 PM (EST) 10. "RE: CG does need to worry" LAST EDITED ON 11-08-02 AT 12:42 PM (EST) Snooch, I've been on the fence about Brian/Helen for awhile, but now I'm also inclined to think there's nothing there. However, either Helen or Clay would be a good alliance partner for Brian in that they are easily beatable in F2, much more so than Ted or Jan, IMO. On the other hand, with people like Helen, others might want them out of the game sooner, so it gets dicey. The ideal F2 partner has to have just the right level of annoyance factor -- enough, but not too much. It looks like Brian is still keeping his alliance options open, though, so an eventual Helen/Brian convergence wouldn't be out of the question, if she can keep from being booted.   Top

samboohoo 17173 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-08-02, 09:39 AM (EST) 2. "RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9" Could Ted be the one who stirs things up? He was the one who was going to and then did confront the Sookies about why they voted out Shii Ann. Maybe his alliance with Brian starts to fail. Purely speculation at this point, but maybe Ted wants to do something that Brian doesn't. Revealed alliances usually do not succeed.   Top

Cathy the Canadian 599 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 11-08-02, 12:22 PM (EST) 8. "RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9" And remember when Ken and Jake were talking in hushed voices about approaching CG - They talked about approaching Brian and CLAY - not Ted. I thought that was interresting. Sidebar - I liked Ken's comment about Brian being a used car salesman - and what do they sell, lemons.   Top

jkokoj 4389 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 11-08-02, 10:13 AM (EST) 4. "Jake" It was clearly Jake talking with Ken about Ken being targeted as a threat. Jake then states that they should stir things up. We were shown this in the previews last night as well in Bungler's vid caps thread. Jake has already started infultrating CG by hanging out with Brian. Jake is had already started laying ground for a possible alliance with Brian. The question now is will Brian actually fall for Jake? I believe Jake will be true to Ken and Penny. If Brian/Ted think they have Jake it will get interesting.   Top

frisky 11695 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-08-02, 01:09 PM (EST) 11. "RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9" Quote from Jake to Ken: "We ought to create a little bit of a stir." This is far from being the "vow" that is alluded to in the SeeBS misdirection, in which a survivor vows to "stir things up" (note the quotes). Usually, when you surround a phrase in quotation marks, as in "stir things up", it suggests that the phrase is written as it was spoken by...someone. We are assuming it was Jake because he mumbled something about stirring in his talk with Ken. But the quotes don't match. It's possible that Jake's "we oughta" later turned into a "vow", but because the quotes don't match it's also possible that someone else, other than Jake, intends to "stir things up." But then I always read way too much into this BS, and the line probably just refers to Helen vowing to stir the noodles more often so they don't stick to the pot.   Top

ulalame 778 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-08-02, 05:45 PM (EST) 14. "The Vow" I think the "vow" they are referring to is the one made when the Sookies were talking about how, no matter what happened, they were going to stick together, even if they had to infiltrate the other tribe and so by outward appearances, might look like they were betraying each other.   Top

steppingrazor42 283 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 11-08-02, 02:20 PM (EST) 12. "Final 4 comment " In last night's ep (Sleeping with the Enemy) there was a short scene with Jake and Ken at night laying down talking strategy, one of them made a comment about getting 2 CG's to join them for the F4, I think Jake suggested Brian and Ken said to be weary of him, just as Brian told Ted to be weary of Ken. I think the "stirring" will be with Brian, SJ knows he's obviously a leader that needs to be taken down sooner than later. I was wondering if anyone else remembers who Ken and Jake wanted to join them for the Final 4??? Why would they be so cocky to believe anyone would jump ship in CG unless they've seen cracks in the team of 5. I just don't see Helen or Jan pulling a Brandon and selling out on Ted or Brian, but maybe Clay.   Top

ejm92 2221 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 11-08-02, 04:09 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Final 4 comment " I also can see Clay being a Brandon, due to when we saw Brian/Ted strategizing, they really don't include Clay at all...and I know Clay and Helen haven't really gotten along until lately, they proboably still have some division, and Clay thinks Jan is crazy...the only thing that was a bit odd was when Clay badmouthed Jake/Jan for the chicken ceremony, which kinda gets you to think that Clay might not like Jake much.   Top

tanyafrommd 25 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 11-08-02, 09:42 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Sharp responses from one survivor" It's obvious to me that Helen is talking about herself in the confessional. If you read the preview again...it says "news from home draws sharp responses from one survivor AND may impact their future in the game." Obviously Helen's husband bought a new car and is showing it off in the video and she is concerned that she may be voted off because of the "appearance" of being wealthy. Just my 2 cents.   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 11-10-02, 01:11 PM (EST) 17. "New Promo..." VoiceOver: VO: Clues from the castaways personal lives could be used against them. Helen: That would be enough to vote him off. The latest promo has a new voice over that makes it sound like Helen is talking about a man...and I'm guessing Jake. Krautboy   Top

Beazer B 2 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 11-12-02, 04:49 PM (EST) 22. "RE: New Promo..." Jake's house is currently assesed at $176,761 and is 2300 square feet. A nice house but not overly extravagant for Dallas area standards. Someone in this position might have decent cars (especially in the business that Jake is in) but my guess is that $1 million would still be life altering.   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 11-10-02, 01:05 PM (EST) 16. "RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9" ON THE NEXT SURVIVOR “News from home draws sharp responses for one Survivor and may impact that person's future.” News from home is the video RC . The “sharp response” from Helen follows the realization that one of the contestants is financially set and “doesn’t need the money”. Helen: “Brand new cars in the garage - that'd be enough to vote them off because they don't need the money.” “A group of Survivors renew their vow to one another and concoct a plan to get one of their own to "infiltrate" the others.” The Chuay Gahn are in control and feel comfortable renewing their “we are a family” vows. Brian was shown with Jake in the boat last week, Penny was kissing up to Jan and Ted, so any one of them could easily “infiltrate the others” (remaining Sook Jai) by pretending to form an alliance. “Meanwhile, other tribal allegiances fall by the wayside as one Survivor vows to "stir things up." The remaining Sook Jai realize they are out numbered and their “tribal allegiancies fall by the wayside” as they resort to “Desperate Measures” and “vow to stir things up”. Ken feels vulnerable, so he and Jake are previewed preparing to take “desperate measures”… “Ken: They've been worried since day one that I'm a threat. Jake: We got to create a little bit of stir.” Krautboy   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 11-12-02, 12:26 PM (EST) 18. "RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9" >“News from home draws sharp responses >for one Survivor and may >impact that person's future.” and “doesn’t need the money”. >> All I will say here is the word "may". Doesn't say will, only may, think this is a famous MB misdirection that the video we see is going to hurt that person; I say it will hurt Helen more. > >A group of Survivors renew their vow to one another and concoct a plan to get one of their own to "infiltrate" the others. Meanwhile, other tribal allegiances fall by the wayside as one Survivor vows to "stir things up." > > These two I put together cuz it may be easier to figure out; in essence they are a continuation of each other. One thing before I make my guess on this. Aside from the comment Clay made to Shii Ann about having Jake and someone else join them, we have been shown NOTHING regarding Chewy alliances EXCEPT Brian/Ted. Where is the talk? There are five of them with newly joined people, no strategizing except for feeling out Jake. Where's the talk of making sure we sack the Sucky's first. Something smells there. Meanwhile we had overkill of the alliance loyalty crap from Sucky last week. This is why I make this statement. If you take the above paragraph and substitute words.... Jake, Penny and Ken renew their vow to one another and concoct a plan to get Jake to "infiltrate" Chewy. Meanwhile, Chewy allegiances fall by the wayside as Jake vows to "stir things up." Or...... The Chewy members renew their vow to one another and concoct a plan to get Brian to "infiltrate" the Sucky's. Meanwhile, Ken, Jake and Penny's allegiance falls by the wayside as Jake vows to "stir things up" Any other fill ins we can do that could make sense?   Top

Pants Optional 15 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 11-12-02, 12:36 PM (EST) 19. "RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9" Why would the chewies need to infiltrate the suckies? All they need to do is vote as a block and eliminate them one by one. I think it has to be members of the suckies that try to break into the chewie inner circle.   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 11-12-02, 03:55 PM (EST) 20. "RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9" Why would the Chewies have to infilitrate? Why does Brian seem so intent on bringing Jake into the fold? Why have we only seen Ted and Brian describe an alliance of sorts, were is Clay/Jan/Helen in this? You are right Pants Optional they do have the numbers so why is Brian cozying up with Jake? If he stops this week, it was a one time thing but if he CONTINUES then apparently the Chewy gang is not a strong gang except for working well together and at least someone from Chewy wants to "infiltrate" the Sucky's in order to create an alliance separate from some of the old Chewys. I'm more inclined to believe that Jake infiltrates and causes a group to fall by the wayside but I'm not convinced that the Chewy 5 is one cohesive alliance   Top

Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-12-02, 04:03 PM (EST) 21. "RE: CBS Misdirection, Ep.9" but I'm not convinced that the Chewy 5 is one cohesive alliance Agreed! This tribe had a huge divide in it, courtesy of the whole Ted/Ghandia conflict. But all 5 of them knew that they needed to work together to stay in the game. They could work together to get rid of SJ. But are the 5 of them all tight? No way. We'll see a 3-2 split show up soon - the trick is figuring out whether Ted and Brian have the third, and if so, who it is.   Top

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