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djandy 1711 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-18-02, 03:49 PM (EST) "Were the true tribal leaders revealed at the auction?" The main spokemen for each tribe seemed to be Ken and Brian (mixed with some Ted) at the auction. They were the ones who decided whether or not to vote for an item, aggressively pursue a mystery item, and how high to go on each item. Does this reveal the tribes' true leaders (versus Jake and Jan the elder leaders), or were they just hungrier?   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Were the true tribal leaders re... Spidey 10-18-02 1  RE: Were the true tribal leaders re... forehead 10-18-02 2  RE: Were the true tribal leaders re... SurvivaBear 10-18-02 3    RE: Were the true tribal leaders re... managerr 10-18-02 4        RE: Were the true tribal leaders re... survivorpinoy 10-21-02 5            RE: Were the true tribal leaders re... TechNoir 10-21-02 6                RE: Were the true tribal leaders re... survivorpinoy 10-22-02 7                    RE: Were the true tribal leaders re... Cin 10-22-02 8                        Racist? Stop the #####! Wacko Jacko 10-22-02 10                            RE: Racist? Stop the #####! Cin 10-22-02 12                                RE: Racist? Stop the #####! Wacko Jacko 10-22-02 16                                    RE: Racist? Stop the #####! dabo 10-22-02 21                    Fact, huh? Wacko Jacko 10-22-02 11                        RE: Fact, huh? survivorpinoy 10-22-02 20                            RE: Fact, huh? Wacko Jacko 10-23-02 23                RE: Were the true tribal leaders re... managerr 10-22-02 13  RE: Were the true tribal leaders re... Brownroach 10-22-02 9  Is Jake protecting Shii Ann? Krautboy 10-22-02 14    RE: Is Jake protecting Shii Ann? Brownroach 10-22-02 15        RE: Is Jake protecting Shii Ann? FesterFan1 10-22-02 17            RE: Is Jake protecting Shii Ann? Brownroach 10-22-02 19    RE: Is Jake protecting Shii Ann? FesterFan1 10-22-02 18  RE: Were the true tribal leaders re... dabo 10-22-02 22

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Spidey 6259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-18-02, 04:03 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Were the true tribal leaders revealed at the auction?" LAST EDITED ON 10-18-02 AT 04:03 PM (EST) I think this was the first time any remaining SJ has really taken charge of anything since the HUT, that we have been shown anyway. Maybe they designated a spokesperson so they wouldn't lose all their money on grubs. Or maybe some discussion was edited out. But I do agree that Ken (and Jake) seem to be the "leaders" of SJ. Erin was clear in her confessional that she doesn't like Shii. Penny doesn't seem to like her either. But we KNOW Jake does, and I am pretty confident Ken does too, as Ken values "workers" over the "freakin' lazies" Erin and Penny could have joined Robb and Steph and booted Shii out. But they didn't, so it appears that Jake and Ken do indeed have a lot of pull. And over at CG, Brian is clearly a leader. Ted lost some of his status after "The Grind" and the rest of them are just annoying and disliked by each other. Clay doesn't like Jan, Jan and Helen don't like Clay, but everyone seems to like Brian. (especially me, YUM!)   Top

forehead 932 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-18-02, 04:05 PM (EST) 2. "RE: Were the true tribal leaders revealed at the auction?" Good observation, djandy. I noticed that too. I'm not sure how smart it is from the individual's perspective. Seems like Ken and Brian painted big "I'm the leader of the opposing tribe - take me out after the merge" targets on themselves... Maybe EMB is getting a little smarter with his challenges in letting castaways give away more then is good for them (just like the chop-the-coconuts challenge in S4 that did the Rotu 4 in). forehead   Top

SurvivaBear 2634 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 10-18-02, 04:07 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Were the true tribal leaders revealed at the auction?" I think there is no question that Brian (and sometimes Ted) are the leaders in Chuay Ghan. Jan has shown a lack of leadership, Helen is too much of an outsider, and Clay IMHO is a follower. Ken is more of a mystery. We have not had a good look into the dynamics of Sook Jai. Good catch djandy! Beware the Bear! An IceCat Original, © 2002   Top

managerr 1959 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 10-18-02, 04:13 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Were the true tribal leaders revealed at the auction?" You could see Ken's eyemovement back and forth with Jake and the other members of his tribe though. Whereas contrast that to Brian and Ted who just seemed to speak up when they wanted to go higher. In fact, it looked like Ted made a few bids without his tribe consulting as well.   Top

survivorpinoy 30 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-21-02, 11:10 PM (EST) 5. "RE: Were the true tribal leaders revealed at the auction?" If it is true that Ken is SJ's leader, then Robb is the logical choice to be the next bootee. Previews show that they will have a shoutfest this week. I really can't understand why Shii Ann could be more annoying than Robb!!! "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?" -Stand By Me   Top

TechNoir 9741 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-21-02, 11:31 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Were the true tribal leaders revealed at the auction?" I really can't understand why Shii Ann could be more annoying than Robb!!! Well she works and she doesn't try to kill people. Just a thought or two.   Top

survivorpinoy 30 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-22-02, 01:02 AM (EST) 7. "RE: Were the true tribal leaders revealed at the auction?" Precisely my point. That's why I would be totally confused if SJ will vote out Shi Ann first before Robb. I'm asian and I do not see anything wrong with eating chicken necks. Robb is a racist (I'm not bashing him, just stating a fact.) That's why I don't think he was the despondent underdog being referred to by Jeff. Jeff, who I think is pissed off at Robb, would not categorize him as such. "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?" -Stand By Me   Top

Cin 843 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-22-02, 11:20 AM (EST) 8. "RE: Were the true tribal leaders revealed at the auction?" I'm not Asian, but my mom and dad and their families have ALWAYS eaten chicken necks and livers and hearts...... why I find them to taste gross, they love them. Isn't it a southern thing? Maybe that is why Jake and gang weren't as grossed out about the neck/heart eating. Cin   Top

Wacko Jacko 2438 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model" 10-22-02, 12:10 PM (EST) 10. "Racist? Stop the #####!" LAST EDITED ON 10-22-02 AT 12:34 PM (EST) It has nothing to do with race and everytime a person says they don't like someone and it is a minority someone always has to scream racist. Robb and the others do not like Shii because she is annoying. She is a know it all. She always knows the answer to everything and she is always right. That is what bugs them about her. Would that not bug you if you were stranded on a desert island with her? It would annoy me. The chicken thing was throwing more on top the pile already created. When Shii used the term racist she was just blind to how annoying she really is and using a lame excuse for her reasoning. STOP SCREAMING RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! geez.   Top

Cin 843 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-22-02, 12:37 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Racist? Stop the #####!" I wasn't implying it was about race, I'm sorry if you took my post that way. I was just stating that there are lots of people who enjoy eating that stuff..... sorry if I offended you Cin   Top

Wacko Jacko 2438 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model" 10-22-02, 05:45 PM (EST) 16. "RE: Racist? Stop the #####!" Hi Cin: Actually I was replying to survivorpinoy. I didn't get that from your post at all. survivorpinoy states that it is a fact that Robb is a racist. Fact???????????????   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-22-02, 09:37 PM (EST) 21. "RE: Racist? Stop the #####!" Well now, speakin fer all muh redneck backwood kinfolk, we don't see nothin wrong with eatin chicken necks and backs and organ parts, why shucks it'd be a shame ta let any of that good protein go to waste. Most of America done likewise before culture and civilization took holt and spread all over everywhere, y'know what I mean. Robbb ain't necessary a racist, he just gots culture. He's picky, too. Judgmental like. It ain't pretty but it's goshdarned American in its way. ARRRRRRR!!!!   Top

Wacko Jacko 2438 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model" 10-22-02, 12:30 PM (EST) 11. "Fact, huh?" Would you bet your life on it? If not it aint a fact. It's your opinion.   Top

survivorpinoy 30 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-22-02, 09:09 PM (EST) 20. "RE: Fact, huh?" Ok. I apologize too. You're right. It was just my opinion. My only point was that I think there are more reasons to hate (hence to vote out) Robb than Shii Ann (even Jed and Steph for that matter).   Top

Wacko Jacko 2438 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model" 10-23-02, 04:58 PM (EST) 23. "RE: Fact, huh?" We'll see this week. At this point in the game with a merge likely next week Robb does seem like a more logical pick but if there were no merge and Jeb already being elimated I would pick Shii over Robb. Both are probably pretty annoying to the other survivors. For Ken's sake he'd be smart to bring Robb along for the merge instead of Shii. Chuay will probably target a physical threat before a mental threat and with Robb gone Ken will be the first SJ target unless he wins many immunities.   Top

managerr 1959 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 10-22-02, 04:44 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Were the true tribal leaders revealed at the auction?" It's really Robb who is/was leading the charge against Shii Ann. There's no indication the rest of the tribe feels the same way. (Well there was Erin, but she could have just been playing the game and being a yes woman to Robbbbbb) Shii Ann's mistake is similar to the one Kelly Goldsmith made imho. She's intelligent and isn't trying to hide it. This will definitely get on the nerves of other players, especially other potential masterminds types.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-22-02, 11:46 AM (EST) 9. "RE: Were the true tribal leaders revealed at the auction?" LAST EDITED ON 10-22-02 AT 12:24 PM (EST) I think there's definitely something to this. When they were picking their tribemates, I believe Jake's and especially Jan's early choices were people that they subconsciously wanted to take on leadership roles, and I believe most of their later choices tuned in to this as they were fitting themselves in. Ted immediately looked like the de facto leader of Chuay Gahn -- and he was challenged right off the bat by John, who then had to be axed for not recognizing the hierarchy. Ted may have fallen from grace a bit after the Ghandia incident, so Brian is stepping up more now. Jan was never the true leader, but was probably shielded from a very early boot by implicit respect for her status as the "elder". On Sook Jai I think Jake retained a greater degree of leadership than Jan, but he also had expectations of both Stephanie and Ken as his seconds-in-command. Interestingly, Steph did try to work hard, but she just wasn't on the same page as the majority of the tribe -- and the underlings resented her for it. But Ken is right there with Jake and crew, and probably the SJ who is most inherently respected by the others (after Jake) at this point in time. But of course the hierarchies will unravel as the game progresses. It's already happening on CG, where Jan is now in the weakest position on the tribe.   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 10-22-02, 05:04 PM (EST) 14. "Is Jake protecting Shii Ann?" I rewatched EP5 last night and while Ken was the spokesman for the Sook Jai, he would glance over at Jake from time to time for approval. Jake was smart enough to realize that appearing to be the leader at a challenge is not a good thing with the merge a few episodea away. Ken is competitive and enjoyed the process and Jake let him... The other scene that struck me as interesting was the conversation between Jake and Shii Ann. Jake was the calm leader of the tribe consoling Shii Ann...it was almost like he was saying don't worry I'll protect you. The confidence he showed was that of a leader who had some say in how the tribe votes... While Erin and Robb may have commented about their dislike for Shii Ann, Robb has no say in how the voting goes and Erin probably has no choice but to go along with Jake and the alliance. Jake likes Shii Ann, Jake is the Leader, and Jake will probably continue to protect Shii Ann in EP6... Krautboy   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-22-02, 05:17 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Is Jake protecting Shii Ann?" >>Jake likes Shii Ann, Jake is the Leader, and Jake will probably continue to protect Shii Ann in EP6...<< I think you're right, Krautboy. And I've been wondering if Jake/Shii Ann is the secret alliance that will become paranoid this week. Perhaps a Shii Ann boot was seriously discussed by Erin, Penny, Ken and Jake last week, and it was Jake who hemmed and hawed and finally convinced them to vote for Stephanie. If he pushed too hard to keep Shii Ann around, it might have set off some alarm bells, and Jake may start feeling worried. I do think the secret alliance will be a pair of people in the Hut Quintet. We have to start seeing more of Jake, Ken, Erin and Penny SOON, don't we? They can't all four remain invisible much longer.   Top

FesterFan1 5947 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-22-02, 05:49 PM (EST) 17. "RE: Is Jake protecting Shii Ann?" LAST EDITED ON 10-22-02 AT 05:52 PM (EST) I think you're right, Krautboy. And I've been wondering if Jake/Shii Ann is the secret alliance that will become paranoid this week. Possible, but I still think Jake is in tighter with Penny. Jake's comforting of Shii Ann last week struck me more as strategy than an actual alliance. IMO, that was more of a subtle check to make sure Shii was still in the hut camp. Jake likely was thinking about the merge and is probably the only one in SJ with an inkling that Shii's fringe status may come back and bite them. Perhaps a Shii Ann boot was seriously discussed by Erin, Penny, Ken and Jake last week, and it was Jake who hemmed and hawed and finally convinced them to vote for Stephanie. I seriously doubt this. It's been illustrated quite clearly, both in editing and post-boot comments by Jed and Steph, that there was a "Great Divide" within SJ. They really alienated themselves from shelter-dwellers, Shii Ann among them. Now there obviously is a pecking order within the Shelter Alliance, but there was no way Shii was going to go before Stephanie (I only wish I had stayed true to that initial impression in making my pick last week). The comments directed at Stephanie during the voting portion of TC only buttress this point. Sure Shii's not the most popular person in the SJ 5, but I still contend that there's no way Ken, Penny, and Jake want any part of Robb making the merge. If he pushed too hard to keep Shii Ann around, it might have set off some alarm bells, and Jake may start feeling worried. Well, he might be worried that Erin likes Robb more than Shii, and that she will try to talk Ken and Penny into keeping Robb over her, but that's not likely to happen. Again, this "secret alliance" very well could be a subdivision of the SJ 5, but it's likely more hype than anything else. Honestly, when was the last time we got some decent spoiling info off of the misdirection? Fester   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-22-02, 06:22 PM (EST) 19. "RE: Is Jake protecting Shii Ann?" Your take on this makes sense, Fester. Shii Ann doesn't really fit into a twosome with anyone -- I even said this last Thursday as I picked her to get the boot! The most likely SJ pairs would be Jake/Penny; Jake/Ken; Penny/Erin; or Ken/Erin. Penny/Ken and Jake/Erin seem less likely to me. Shii Ann/Jake....pretty remote. Shii Ann with anyone else...no. Robb with anyone: NO. We'll probably find out that the secret alliance is just Ted and Brian, already revealed to us last week. This show is just too boring to be putting this much thought into...   Top

FesterFan1 5947 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-22-02, 06:00 PM (EST) 18. "RE: Is Jake protecting Shii Ann?" I don't think Jake is "protecting" Shii Ann so much as he's trying to get her back on the team. I think that he's looking toward the merge and a possible deadlock with CG. The last thing they want is for Shii to feel alienated enough to consider "Sleeping With the Enemy". It sounded to me like that was his motive. I'm sure he's well aware that Shii doesn't care for anyone in her tribe. As long as Robb is around, he'll get the brunt of her disdain. Once he's gone, however... Fester   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-22-02, 09:44 PM (EST) 22. "RE: Were the true tribal leaders revealed at the auction?" You are probably correct that Ken and Brian probably appeared (to the opposing tribes) to be the "leaders" during the auction. Brian was probably being perceived that way by the Sook Jai anyway, but Ken may have painted a bull's-eye on himself with his performance. ARRRRRRR!!!!   Top

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