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"Torches cannot be trusted ?"
In this season.. they DO NOT have their names on the torches...
so i guess we can't spoil the game by looking at the colour of the torches !
in Ep2.. when Tanya went into the tribal council area... she was holding a GOLD torch !
later.. when she took her torch to JEFF for "THE TRIBE HAD SPOKEN", her torch's colour is now SILVER !!!
does anyone have the vipcaps for this part ??
so i guess that they just simply take a torch !!
they do not care whether it is his/hers !!!
Sorry.. my english sucks ! hope u guys can understand what i'm trying to say..
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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? ejm92 09-28-02 1
 RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? BMH 09-28-02 2
   RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? SurvivorBlows 09-28-02 5
       RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? BMH 09-28-02 6
 RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? dabo 09-28-02 3
 RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? SurvivorBlows 09-28-02 4
   RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? I_AM_HE 09-28-02 7
       RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? dabo 09-28-02 8
           RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? I_AM_HE 09-28-02 12
 RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? Yogi 09-28-02 9
   RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? corcam 09-28-02 10
   RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? I_AM_HE 09-28-02 11
       RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? Yogi 09-28-02 13
           RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? corcam 09-28-02 15
               RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? Yogi 09-28-02 16
 RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? SurvivorBlows 09-28-02 14
 RE: Torches cannot be trusted ? ejm92 09-29-02 17
 Correction ! BubbleGum 09-29-02 18
   Torch Personalization ZJ 09-29-02 19
       RE: Torch Personalization addictedtoSB 09-29-02 20

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ejm92 2221 desperate attention whore postings
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09-28-02, 12:01 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"
Yeah, I brought that up in a different thread after episode one, it looks like what I was thinking kinda came to pass....I don't have vidcaps now, but I'm sure one of us will find them soon just to confirm.

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09-28-02, 03:55 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"
I dont remember them ever having name tags on there torches in previous survivors..I know tags got stuck on the torches after they were voted off..but for some reason..I dont remember the torches ever havin name tags on them..when they were carried by the survivors to TC
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09-28-02, 05:01 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"
>I dont remember them ever having
>name tags on there torches
>in previous survivors..

They "personalized" the torches -- craved their names, they basically decorated them in some manner. That doesn't seem to be happening this time.

-SB

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09-28-02, 05:29 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"
Oh ok..I get what your saying..cuz I dont remember the torches having name tags..but I do remember the torches were all unique and decorated nicely
And do you think the S5 castaways can carve their names and personalize the torches..I mean are the torches wood?
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09-28-02, 04:21 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"
If it is "grab a torch any torch will do" then the torches are out for spoiling the boots, but they could still be used in a random switch based on the silver and gold bands. It then becomes a question of whether the Chuey Gahn alliance realizes the potential importance of the gold/silver bands and plan and act accordingly when the time comes to keep their alliance intact.

ARRRRRRR!!!!

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09-28-02, 04:59 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"
>does anyone have the vipcaps for
>this part ??

Here you go... defintely silver. And it was gold when she grabbed it at the Ep1 Tribal Council. I'll try and see if she walke dinto the Ep2 TC with a gold or a silver

-SB

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09-28-02, 05:34 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"
Webby, in the first cap above, there is a torch to the left of Tanya. Is this supposed to be John's extinguished torch? Because that one is also silver, but wasn't the one John took in episode 1 gold?

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09-28-02, 09:41 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"
Weird, John's torch was gold, in fact he grabbed two of them initially and they were both gold. Obviously, I reviewed the tape.

In episode 1 Tanya's torch was silver but only seen well in proximity to the fire where it was reflecting the yellow of the fire, at least that's how I saw it. In episode 2 when they left camp she was holding a gold torch, but when they entered the TC set she was holding a silver torch, the same one she brought to Jeff to have her flame extinguished.

What's going on with these torches?

ARRRRRRR!!!!

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09-28-02, 11:07 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"
thanks for the confirmation dabs. that is weird...

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09-28-02, 10:39 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"
LAST EDITED ON 09-28-02 AT 10:40 PM (EST)

I think they are just trying to 'play us' with the torches.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/17/earlyshow/series/survivor/main522306.shtml

If you check out the video at CBS you will see that
the first torch Jeff uses has a 'silver' band on it.
Note: The torch has burn markings and it looks like the
initials 'JG' are on it (Jan Gentry?).
In the next shot the torch has a 'gold' band. The burn
pattern looks different than those from the first torch.

Jeff claims that the video is of them building the Tribal
council but if you watch it a few times you realize nobody
in the picture is actually doing anything. It also has a worker
walking in front of the platform and then Jeff jumps over the
area and calls out 'wet paint'. My guess is that the shot was
taken after the show began.

Another picture of interest.

It looks like the intials 'GF' on Ghandia's torch (above gold band).
I believe here last name is Johnson so the F does not fit.

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09-28-02, 10:58 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"
LAST EDITED ON 09-28-02 AT 11:01 PM (EST)

Correct her name is Ghandia Johnson so the initals would be G.J.

The others names are

Erin Collins
Ted Rodgers
Clay Jordan
Robb Zbacnik
ShiiAnn Huang
Brian Heidlik
Ken Stafford
Jake Billingsly
Stephanie Dill
Jan Gentry
Helen Glover
Jed Hilderbrand
Penny Ramsey & the 2 bootees

John Raymond
Tanya Vance

Maybe they just inital their names??? Who knows

Anyone have any caps of John at tribal council with his torch to see wether or not his initals are on the torch?

edited to add doesn't Brian's last name sound like hind lick..... guess it would go in sync with his porno career I know I know this belongs in Bashers



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11. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"
yogi, your eyes must be better than mine, because i can't see anything on Ghandia's torch!

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09-28-02, 11:22 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"
LAST EDITED ON 09-28-02 AT 11:25 PM (EST)

Can you see the letters now?

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09-28-02, 11:33 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"
I must be going blind or something cause those look like a J and an H to me.

Of course that doesn't fit with Ghandia Johnson J.H.

but it does fit with

Jed Hilderbrand.... then it comes to pass if I am seeing correctly what the heck is Ghandia doing with Jed's torch



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09-28-02, 11:49 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"

It looks like Ghandia's torch is silver in E2.
My guess is that the torches they take to Tribal
council are a random selection and not assigned.

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09-28-02, 11:26 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"
I have more Ep2 torch vidcaps that I created this afternoon but didn't have a chance to upload before I went out, I'll post them shortly

-SB

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09-29-02, 00:31 AM (EST)
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17. "RE: Torches cannot be trusted ?"
I'm totally forgetting the torch issue...I have noticed that in a few previous Survivor series where a tribe goes to TC for the first time, Jeff will say "Grab YOUR torch and dip it into the fire" or something to that extent, he clearly said "Grab A torch" this time...I remember seeing name tags on the torches in some of the previous series, correct me if I'm wrong.

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18. "Correction !"
i rewatched Ep 2 ... and when they are departing from their camp site... TANYA was definitely holding a GOLD torch.. and later there was a cap where they walked pass the beach , she was still holding a GOLD torch... but i can't figure out whether it is GOLD or SILVER when she walked into the TC area ! can anyone please figure out this ? Thankss... later.. when her torch was estinguished by Jeff, it became SILVER again...
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19. "Torch Personalization"
Regarding each person having a unique torch is because come final episode, the final 3 survivors actually walk a path and go to one torch at a time in remembrance of who they voted out in chronological order...
That is my thought...
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20. "RE: Torch Personalization"
Great catch! This final walk of rememberance has been so played up in the past. I'm going to keep watching those torches.
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