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noirdesign2000 5 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 03-14-05, 11:37 PM (EST) "Bo Bice the fake rocker" I know he's a favorite and I like him I do, but a rocker he is not. Long hair and vintage clothes a rocker does not make. Right there on the fox page "what album would your friends be surprised you own"...metalica. fave male pop star? Matchbox20 , fav female pop star Sheryl Crow. Ugh what rocker do you know would answer those q's like that. He's a an incredibly talented crowd drawing performer but a rocker he sadly is not. I know I'm probably opening myself up for some flames , I just wanted to state my feelings on this.   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    Moved Bebo 03-14-05 1  RE: Bo Bice the fake rocker geekboy 03-15-05 2    ditto what geek said Glow 03-18-05 19        RE: ditto what geek said brvnkrz 03-22-05 20  I agree newsomewayne 03-15-05 3    RE: I agree badger 03-15-05 4        RE: I agree noirdesign2000 03-15-05 5    RE: I agree ginger 03-15-05 6        Pop Rockers vs. Heavy Rockers Flairmarq 03-15-05 7  RE: Bo Bice the fake rocker callalilly3000 03-15-05 8    RE: Bo Bice the fake rocker redheaded_sweetheart 03-18-05 17  Bo's a hippie. Cathy the Canadian 03-15-05 9    RE: Bo's a hippie. noirdesign2000 03-15-05 10        RE: Bo's a hippie. badger 03-16-05 11            RE: Bo's a hippie. Cathy the Canadian 03-16-05 14  whatever he is moonbaby 03-16-05 12  RE: Bo Bice the fake rocker kathliam 03-16-05 13  RE: Bo Bice the fake rocker shanana banana 03-16-05 15  You have to keep it in context Loquatrix 03-17-05 16    RE: You have to keep it in context badger 03-18-05 18

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Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-14-05, 11:45 PM (EST) 1. "Moved" I won't flame you, but since this is a discussion of an individual contestant, I will move it to the proper forum.   Top

geekboy 1788 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 03-15-05, 10:05 AM (EST) 2. "RE: Bo Bice the fake rocker" I'm not going to flame you either, but i will challenge your somewhat narrow minded definition of 'rocker'. By the way, i hate when Ryan and the judges call Bo and Constantine "rockers". Rock-and-roll is a broad term that covers many many genres of rock. These include pop, soft rock, hard rock, 80's rock, heavy metal, death metal, etc, etc, etc. Bo Bice is in fact a 'rocker'. He's not a heavy metal rocker, but he is a rock and roll singer, hence he is a rocker. Matchbox 20 is rock and roll, as is Sheryl Crow. geekboy   Top

Glow 14353 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-18-05, 12:09 PM (EST) 19. "ditto what geek said" That's what I was going to say. dammit.   Top

brvnkrz 20491 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-22-05, 11:19 PM (EST) 20. "RE: ditto what geek said" double ditto what Geek and Glowie said. Yep, another Syren   Top

newsomewayne 9353 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-05, 10:19 AM (EST) 3. "I agree" Owning Metallica is Rocker 101. And owning it but not letting your friends know? Metallica IS rock. I think that puts him in the poser rocker category.   Top

badger 1273 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 03-15-05, 11:32 AM (EST) 4. "RE: I agree" have you seen some kind of monster -- the documentary about metallica? anyway, some might think that since "selling out," Metallica are the poser rockers I'm not sure I'd admit owning any metallica album since master of puppets to any of my rocker friends.   Top

noirdesign2000 5 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 03-15-05, 11:51 AM (EST) 5. "RE: I agree" I am one of the few who doesn't particularly like new metalica but they're still a damn site more rock than matchbox 20, et all. I just wish they'd stop cslling bo bice a rocker, and they should be shot for calling constantine a rocker. And yes yes I know there's all different flavours and variations to what a rocker is and isn't but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone not in the soft rock category who wouldn't call Bo an A class poser. Talented? Extremely. Likable? hell yeah he's my fave, but rocker? no.   Top

ginger 22512 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-05, 12:00 PM (EST) 6. "RE: I agree" I've loved rock for about 35 years, and Metallica bores me. It is a slick amalgomation of other bands that precursed it (to me). And I'll never forgive Lars for the Napster thing.   Top

Flairmarq 303 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 03-15-05, 02:31 PM (EST) 7. "Pop Rockers vs. Heavy Rockers" My take is that Matchbox Twenty and Goo Goo Dolls are rock bands and can be called rockers. It they used the term metal, hardcore, and alternative rockers, I would have some serious doubt. But there isn't a term besides rocker that can describe them.   Top

callalilly3000 693 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 03-15-05, 06:50 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Bo Bice the fake rocker" To me... if he looks like a rocker, and sings liker a rocker, than he is a rocker. Hey, that's just me. Anyway, if he answered "what album would your friends be surprised you own?" and he said "Tom Jones Greatest Hits" or fav female pop star and he said "Barbara Streisand", THEN I might question his rocker status. Slice and Dice Shop 2004   Top

redheaded_sweetheart 276 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 03-18-05, 08:01 AM (EST) 17. "RE: Bo Bice the fake rocker" Ditto!   Top

Cathy the Canadian 599 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 03-15-05, 07:14 PM (EST) 9. "Bo's a hippie." You have to remember that he didn't give himself that title. At least I've never heard him describe himself that way. I think Constantine said they were the two rockers, but what does he know. The first time I saw him sing a full song on the show, I said, "He's not a rocker, he's a hippie". And I still think that term applies better than rocker. The show put that moniker on him because he has long hair. So they're idiots. It's not Bo's fault.   Top

noirdesign2000 5 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 03-15-05, 10:01 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Bo's a hippie." You're right, he's definately a hippie. I can see him singing blind mellon or something.   Top

badger 1273 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 03-16-05, 09:34 AM (EST) 11. "RE: Bo's a hippie." i'm sorry, but what's your definition of "hippie"?! "guy with long hair"?!?   Top

Cathy the Canadian 599 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 03-16-05, 04:37 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Bo's a hippie." No, what I said was, the show (and people in general) are labelling him a rocker because he has long hair. As for defining a hippie, it's like defining pornography - I can't tell you what it is, but I know it when I see it. I'm not even a Bo fan, I just don't think he deserves to be flammed for the "rocker" label. Just like I'm not really an Avril Lavigne fan, but I didn't think she deserved flack for the "punk" title that was put on her. The bottom line is, the music industry loves to label it's artists, and I just don't think it's always their fault when it happens.   Top

moonbaby 17120 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-16-05, 10:47 AM (EST) 12. "whatever he is" I voted for him again. And will probably continue to. GO BO!   Top

kathliam 3669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 03-16-05, 11:04 AM (EST) 13. "RE: Bo Bice the fake rocker" For those of us old enough to remember, The Beatles were considered 'rockers' when they started. They are about as different from Metallica as you can get. It was mentioned elsewhere, but 'rock' encompasses a wide variety of styles and, personally, to consider the term to mean 'heavy metal' only is very limiting. I personally am not a fan of headbangers. I like songs with a melody and words I can understand, thank you very much. I think Bo's musical interests indicate his appreciation for a wider spectrum of music. I think that will serve him better in the long run than, say, only liking one genre. Which is not to say you cannot, eventually, decide to concentrate on one particular genre, but experimentation in other styles will only make you better in your chosen field.   Top

shanana banana 658 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 03-16-05, 05:08 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Bo Bice the fake rocker" Bo's a rocker. So perhaps he's an "old school" rocker, meaning he seems to be more into rock bands from the '60s (judging on the types of songs he likes to sing and his presentation) and perhaps that's why his friends would be surprised that he owns a Metallica record. I do find it funny that he's always flashing the requisite "rocker" hand sign, tho. So he must be the real deal. lol   Top

Loquatrix 640 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 03-17-05, 08:32 PM (EST) 16. "You have to keep it in context" LAST EDITED ON 03-17-05 AT 08:33 PM (EST) Everything that is said and done on the American Idol show is said and done within the context of American Idol. Within the context of American Idol, Bo is a rocker. Of course, he's not a metalhead (what possible place would a metalhead have on the show? There are no metal songs that can sensibly be delivered in a pop arrangement, or vice versa, for the show's mass-market audience. This isn't the Osbornes.) and he's probably not even a hard rocker in the modern sense of the word. However, as a performer, he is clearly influenced by a combination of legendary rock singers like Steve Winwood, Ronnie Van Zant, and Gregg Allman -- and you just can't say that the classic bands fronted by those esteemed voices aren't all rock bands in the most traditional and archetypal sense of the word. But most importantly, like I said, in the context of American Idol, Bo is very clearly a "rocker". Having a special label like this will do him good in the contest for a long time, because audiences do love to be able to identify strongly with their chosen favourite and when someone has been identified as belonging to a certain demographic, you can bet that demographic will support him fervently for as long as possible. Having a label, especially when you share it with another performer (like the "Three Divas" from last time) will hurt him in the final four or five if Constantine is still in the competition (which he will not be, if the voting public gets it right). At that point, the "rocker" demographic will begin to split and that's when one or other of them has to get the boot. Let's just hope that the one to go first is the waste-of-time phoney Constantine, rather than the genuinely talented and expressive Bo, who is easily as polished as all three past winners FAR earlier in the competition.   Top

badger 1273 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 03-18-05, 09:46 AM (EST) 18. "RE: You have to keep it in context" ok, ok, blue peeps, i know this is OT. but the question of the "pop"iness of Metallica made me think of the group Beatlicca, a parody group who sing Beatles songs in a Metallica fashion. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4533853 i think Metallica is, in fact, quite "pop" if "pop" is short for "popular." they are (now) nowhere near as cutting edge or alternative as they once were. i think loquatrix is right about "context" here. really, how "authentic" are any of these characters?   Top

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