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"The KEY confessional (an Ep#1 mainstay)"
shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings
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09-20-02, 01:19 AM (EST)
 
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"The KEY confessional (an Ep#1 mainstay)" |
In S1, we had Rich's "write me the check" confessional. In S2, it was the fact that Tina was the only person who didn't have a confessional, a.k.a "The Dog that Didn't Bark". I've successfully erased S3 from my memory (and you can too for the low low price of three easy payments of $39.99...believe me, its well worth it) so I don't remember what happened the first ep. In S4, I don't remember any key confessional, but most would point to Sean telling Vee that "an Africanamerican can not win Survivor."So, what do we have in S5? Well, the one confessional that struck me as out of place and also prophetic was Clay talking about being the short guy in the group. After being the last guy picked Clay said "I'm the oldest and the smallest person sitting there. I knew I was gonna be last, but they got a diamond in the rough is what they don't know." As soon as I heard that I immediately thought of two things...first, that it was clear forshadowing that the little underdog was gonna go pretty far in this game. And secondly, it immediately made me think (of course) of the first ep of Love Cruise where I didn't get picked by any of the girls at the start of the ep and they showed a confessional where I said that I knew I was gonna be picked last but I also think I can do really well in the game. And some of us stil might remember how far I went in that game. Clay's comment struck me right away as the same type of setting up the underdog type of forshadowing. Plus, it doesn't hurt that pre-show spoilers have already pointed towards Clay making it far into the game. Not much to do with this info now, but I myself am definitely adding this to my personal boot sheet as a reason to NOT predict a Clay boot anytime soon. 
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Seyz 198 desperate attention whore postings
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09-20-02, 01:55 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: The KEY confessional (an Ep#1 mainstay)" |
I thought at least one of the key confessionals was Shii Ann's comment about how you can't mess with the she-devil without getting the horns. This is classic MB foreshadowing. Shii Ann is definitely going to stir up trouble, so I don't see her leaving the first few episodes or at least not without some payback. But it could also be seen as foreshadowing of Shii Ann making it really far into the game.
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sleeeve 3456 desperate attention whore postings
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09-20-02, 01:57 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: The KEY confessional (an Ep#1 mainstay)" |
>But it could also be
>seen as foreshadowing of Shii
>Ann making it really far
>into the game. ...or that she gets the next boot... ...or that she is directly responsible for getting someone else booted next These quotes are always much more helpful in 20/20 hindsight, but these were my own first two reactions.
You never know what might be up my sleeeve...
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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09-20-02, 06:51 AM (EST)
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5. "No clowning around..." |
... in shakes' post. This is a good spot.Also to be noted: AcmeBrainTrust has reported that (quote) "Ghandia notes that Survivors cannot smoke in the game, but that her, Clay, Shii Ann, and Robb (on occasion) all smoked. Presumably she spent time with some/all them outside the game in order to find this out. Assuming Ghandia did not make the jury, neither would some/all of these three. " Shii Ann and Robb clearly didn't get along. Robb seemed to rub the rest of the world wrong, too, but in an open conflict right now one would have to think Shii Ann is the one to go. Ghandia doesn't like Clay or Ted, and the "Chewing Gum" tribe is scheduled to have some deep conflicts (are they the Maraamu of S-5?). If Clay and Ghandia have a conflict, they could both be gone fairly early, although if Clay makes the merge, he could do a "Pappy" and stay for a good while. Plus, it doesn't hurt that pre-show spoilers have already pointed towards Clay making it far into the game. I'm seeing a mixed bag of spoilers for Clay, and have only seen one thing that suggests he stays far into the game. So I'm not putting him in the Final Four YET. 
Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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Draco Malfoy 10525 desperate attention whore postings
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09-20-02, 08:16 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: No clowning around..." |
>Also to be noted:
>
>AcmeBrainTrust has reported that (quote) "Ghandia
>notes that Survivors cannot smoke
>in the game, but that
>her, Clay, Shii Ann, and
>Robb (on occasion) all smoked.
>Presumably she spent time with
>some/all them outside the game
>in order to find this
>out. Assuming Ghandia did not
>make the jury, neither would
>some/all of these three. " Well, since Ghandia and Clay are both on the Chewy Chewy Chomp Chomp tribe, they don't have to spend any time outside the game. I can see them at some point whining about needing a cig, just smoker to smoker. >Shii Ann and Robb clearly didn't
>get along. Robb seemed
>to rub the rest of
>the world wrong, too, but
>in an open conflict right
>now one would have to
>think Shii Ann is the
>one to go. I agree with this one. Jake picked his tribe for youth and strength, and Shii Ann is probably the least likely to give that. She'll probably be the Purple People Eater's first boot, unless Robbbb does something really stupid (which is always a possibility). >Ghandia doesn't like Clay or Ted,
>and the "Chewing Gum" tribe
>is scheduled to have some
>deep conflicts (are they the
>Maraamu of S-5?). If
>Clay and Ghandia have a
>conflict, they could both be
>gone fairly early, although if
>Clay makes the merge, he
>could do a "Pappy" and
>stay for a good while. Clay and Ted seem to be pretty tight already, if their roll in the leaves was any indication. I can see Ted carrying Clay into the merge, where Ted will probably get booted as the biggest immunity threat as soon as they get the chance.    San Diego 24, Houston 3 
Now, if you two don't mind, I'm going to bed before either of you come up with another clever idea to get us killed. Or worse, expelled.
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weltek 16936 desperate attention whore postings
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09-20-02, 08:32 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: No clowning around..." |
Um, ditto Draco. You said all I was going to.
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SurvivorBlows 15230 desperate attention whore postings
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09-20-02, 09:56 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: No clowning around..." |
>Well, since Ghandia and Clay are
>both on the Chewy Chewy
>Chomp Chomp tribe, they don't
>have to spend any time
>outside the game. I
>can see them at some
>point whining about needing a
>cig, just smoker to smoker. I agree, I don't smoke, but smoking makes strange bedfellows -- I've seen co-workers that you'd otherwise never see together huddled outside my office building in the pouring rain or bitter cold, all just for a puff.
>I agree with this one. Jake picked his tribe for
>youth and strength, and Shii Ann is probably the least
>likely to give that. She'll probably be the Purple
>People Eater's first boot, unless Robbbb does something really stupid
>(which is always a possibility).
Don't forget Shii wasn't the last women he drafted -- Erin was. -SB
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specie 52 desperate attention whore postings
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09-20-02, 09:19 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: No clowning around..." |
>Ghandia doesn't like Clay or Ted,
>and the "Chewing Gum" tribe
>is scheduled to have some
>deep conflicts (are they the
>Maraamu of S-5>I didn't see Ghandia not liking Clay or Ted. Ted was very consoling to her after she blew the puzzle, and neither of them voted her off (not that she would know that particularly, but it was obvious that 6 fellow tribers did not vote for her). What stuck out was that Helen wasn't in on the group vote. So is their an initial alliance between all who voted for John? I like Helen, though - she reminds me of Kathy. Maybe she'll have her redemption, and if she does I expect Tanya to be the next bootee from Chewing Gum. On the other tribe, it's samburu revisited. Robb & Shii-Ann got all the press this time. Who's going to get sick of the mall rat 'tude and take control of the voting? Stephanie and Shii-Ann need to get themselves a voting bloc or they're history. And yes, I see Chewing Gum as Pagong, Maraamu, and Boran. --specie
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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09-20-02, 10:25 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: No clowning around..." |
I didn't see Ghandia not liking Clay or Ted. Ted was very consoling to her after she blew the puzzle, and neither of them voted her off (not that she would know that particularly, but it was obvious that 6 fellow tribers did not vote for her).No, we saw anything BUT conflict between Ghandia and anyone on BigRedChewingGum Tribe during the show. However, there is spoiler info on several sites that Ghandia dislikes Clay, and dislikes Ted even more. I suspect that Clay and Ghandia develop some rift in the near future and Ted takes Clay's side, which ticks her off for tactical as well as potentially racial reasons. Ghandia is described as abrasive and hotheaded and speaks her mind somewhat tactlessly (and I would know a few things about that  ). Helen was featured prominently in the CBS Misdirection for Ep. 2. According to the Misdirection, she will be treated somewhat like Kathy in the beginning. And you're right: there is high tension among the Purple People, and I think Shii-Ann and Ghandia will be seeing each other soon in Loser Lodge. Just my IMHO on that one.
Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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Cathy the Canadian 599 desperate attention whore postings
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09-20-02, 01:35 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: No clowning around..." |
This was my thinking exactly. MB let the tribes be chosen in "red rover" fashion because he knew he could fix any ensuing disasters whenever the need arose.
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09-20-02, 01:54 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: No clowning around..." |
"The smokers" spoiler noted at ABT and elsewhere got me thinking this morning. Logic would dictate that the four of them, Shii Ann, Robb, Clay and Ghandia ended up in loser lodge, where they could smoke together. This troubled me a bit, because I see Clay going farther, and I think the nacient alliance of Clay-Ted-Brian (and maybe Jan) has serious potential, so although I could see SA, Robb and G ending up in loser lodge, I can't see Clay going there.Interestingly enough, ABT also notes another Ghandia spoiler: who the "stars of the show" are, and Robb, Shii Ann and Ghandia herself are all considered (by her) to be stars of the show. Would she consider people who went early in the game to be stars? Brian is also on that list, but notably, Clay and Ted, her two enemies, are not. This got me thinking that perhaps the "smokers" end up on the jury together, rather than in loser lodge. This would lead me to believe that a Brian-Ted-Clay alliance goes far, and Ghandia is at least carried to the merge by it. My guess is that Ghandia is betrayed (she believes) by Ted-Clay, and that is why she is bitter and doesn't consider them "stars" although they do make it far into the game. Haven't worked out the scenario that would take Shii-Ann, Robb and Ghandia to the merge, since they all seem to be classic confrontational types that are taken out early, but then again, I really felt like EPM was concealing A LOT of strategizing in that episode, so we really don't know yet who the real outsiders are.
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings
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09-20-02, 04:39 PM (EST)
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22. "Helen's vote for Clay" |
The question is whether Clay will go on a witch hunt like Lex and wonder who voted against him? I think Tanya might have just lucked into voting who the others picked and Helen had no idea who was being voted and didn't ask. Helen and Tanya were with John when he pulled his little water hole joke. The others didn't appreciate it and seemed to blame him for making them swim so far. I think they all agreed he had to go. Tanya understood the others didn't seem to like his bossiness. And Helen was out there on her own thinking of who was the richest person on the tribe and therefore didn't need the money. She can still get herself back in the group if someone else causes problems. Ghandia's emotions could make her more of a target and Helen could slide under the radar.
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katem 3315 desperate attention whore postings
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09-20-02, 04:07 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: The KEY confessional (an Ep#1 mainstay)" |
Ms. Bebo took the words right out my mouth. I have to agree completely with here on this. Let's never forget that EMB usually mixes his challenges up. This last one was physical and semi-brainy. The geritol gang had a HUGE lead, to be lost due to Ghandia's nerves. I still believe the geritols to be smarter and in a mental challenge can easily win because they work together. In a purely physical challenge the geritols did much, much better than expected. Robb is providing nothing to his tribe. Shii Ann is smarter and I think she came off more positively than him. Point is, don't count the geritols out yet. Clay is going to stay for a while, I think final three. And, let's remember that the second immunity challenge is always the gross food challenge. I know EMB said all new challenges, but some are tradition. Good thread Shakes !!!!! 
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snoocharoo 1 desperate attention whore postings
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09-20-02, 04:09 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: The KEY confessional (an Ep#1 mainstay)" |
Physical strength and weakness are only really important at a few junctures in the series, right in the begining of the series and in the F4. Elements like memory, life experience, endurance, stamina, intelligence, social adaptibility and common sense become far more important as the game progresses. Look back at the persons who have made it to the F4. Very few were physically strong, as a matter fo fact MOST of them were considered weak. Voting out a weak member first is not a tried and true strategy. That person may have value to the tribe in other ways. Shii An may be physically weak but she strikes me as intelligent and resourceful whereas Robb has big muscles but no clue about relating to others. This is not a game of survival of the fitess, it is survival of the most socially adaptable. Look at past winners, all were social chameleons.  Snoocharoo
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09-20-02, 06:41 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: The KEY confessional (an Ep#1 mainstay)" |
As a side note, I don't consider rowing a purely physical challenge, that would be something like running or lifting. Rowing is all about teamwork and coordination, (See John and Robert from S4) and MB definitely knows that, it's very possible for a well coordinated, but physically weaker team to triumph over a physically stronger one. Also Sook Jai made the mistake of putting the girls up in the front of the boat. Make no mistake, in any sort of physical challenge, Chuy Guang (sp?) will get destroyed. Fortunately, if E2 is the gross food challenge, they may not get decimated before the swap/merge.
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belaf 11 desperate attention whore postings
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09-24-02, 11:29 AM (EST)
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26. "Clay's napoleon complex" |
Hiya Shakes,
Clay's confessional was more of an inferiority complex. In picking the teams Clay must have been muttering "I am short, no one will pick me to play". I don't think he is a diamond in the rough but more of a Zircon. I will be surprised if he lasts long because he is one of the older players, he is perceived as being one of the rich ones (the survivor mentality that anyone with money does not deserve to win) and of course he is short man which has been proven to be a liability in the real world.
Yes, you were picked last in Love Cruise and you did go far but of course you were not short... lol.
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