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"Prelim Astro Assortment"
A few of you astrology buffs may be wondering what mix of signs Burnett and Probst threw in the blender this time, so here's a quick overview of Sun Signs and the balance of Elements and Modes, with comparisons to previous Survivors.

Signs: In descending order of prevalence:

Once again Burnett has shown his fondness for Capricorns, casting 4 out of the 16 and one on the cusp.

4 Cap goats: Erin, Ghandia, Clay, Ted, and Shii Ann on the Aquarius cusp.

(Previous Caps include Rudy, BB, Ramona, Greg, Tina, Kel, Linda, Clarence, Robfadder, Kathy, Peter. Dicque had a Cap Moon.)

2 Aquarians: Shii Ann (Cap/Aq cusp) and John (Aq/Pisces cusp)

(Other Capricorn cusp Aquarians: Sonja, Gretchen, Maralyn, Brandon, Silas
Other Aquarius/Pisces cusp, Neleh.
Other Aquarians: Keith, Michael, Gina.)

2 Taurus bulls--Helen and Penny.

(Alicia, Diane, Teresa, Kelly G.)

2 Scorpions--Jan and Stephanie

(Gervase, Kimmi, Ethan, Tom)

2 Sag archers--Tanya and Jed

(Colleen, Sean (S1), Kim P, Vee)

1 Gemini twin: Ken the NYC cop, who is single and lives with TWO dogs, good for twin sign...

(Dirk, Lis, Debb, Carl, Lex, John, Robert)

1 Leo lion: Jake, on Virgo cusp.

(Stacey, Sue, Amber, Sarah, Sean (S4))

1 Virgo (Virago?) model/bartender hunk Robb, with Jake on Leo/Virgo cusp.

(Jerri, Lindsay, Kim J.)

1 Pisces fish: Brian

(Zoe, Mitchell, Paschal)

Absent signs:

Aries: Dicque, Joel, Colby, Varner, Nick, Patricia

Cancer: Kelly W., Jenna, Rodger, Frank, Tammy, Gabe, Hunter

Libra: Never a big presence in the game--only poor Jessie

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ELEMENTS BALANCE

7 Earth: Erin, Ghandia, Helen, Penny, Ted, Clay, Robb

3 Air: Shii Ann (earth cusp); John (water cusp); Ken

3 Water: Jan, Stephanie, Brian

3 Fire: Tanya, Jake (earth cusp), Jed

Can't analyze the tribal balance yet, but there is a heavy skew towards Earth, as in Survivor 3.
Particularly, SIX of the 8 women are Earth (4) or Water (2), the traditionally more passive/reactive "feminine" signs.

S4 was marked by a heavy skew in the elements between tribes, as was S3. In both, the tribes heavy in Air and Fire (Samburu and Maraamu) fell prey to drama and ego squabbles, whereas the Water-Earth heavy Boran and watery-earth Rotu tribe ended up bonding better as tribes. Both Rotu and Boran had an airy Gemini leader who affected the mix--John and Lex, respectively.

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MODES

Cardinal initiates: Erin, Ghandia, Clay, Ted

Fixed sustains/resists change: Helen, Jan, Penny, Stephanie, Jake, Shii Ann, John

Mutable adapts: (Vee is a stellar example): Tanya, Bryan, Jed, Ken, Robb.

Initiation (Cardinal signs) is only represented in S5 by the Capricorns--with Aries, Cancer, and Libra MIA. In contrast, S4 had both Capricorn and Cancer initiators (Rob, Kathy, Peter (failed) vs. Hunter, Tammy, and Gabe.

Smart Capricorns like Tina have a subtle management style; Peter, Linda, and BB crashed and burned with early and inappropriate outspokenness; Kel and Clarence blew it right off the bat with the "theft" label; Rob started to screw up by chasing chickens but then played it smart for awhile, and Kathy too started out ready to self-destruct but managed to tone it down. And then there was Greg--weirdest strategy ever...
To date, Tina remains the queen of the Capricorn survivors for manipulating everyone and never getting a vote.

It will be interesting to see how these new Caps start sorting out, as they are almost sure to be forces to some degree.

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Birthday during filming note:
Ken's birthday falls on June 20. That's the NYC policeman... will he make it til then. Hey, Frank did!

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I won't have as much time to attend to spoiling this season, so I really turn this over to those of you who like astrology...
*Pssst to Frau Hexe and mauki and Lisapooh and MIS--and my recent skeptical "convert" GT... and everyone I forgot to name or who are lurking out there...

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Spoiling Caveat: All serious astrologers understand that the Sun Sign is just one component of the personality. If someone has time to run and list the Moon and other Inner Planet signs, that would be great. Sadly for good analysis, we can't get rising signs without precise time of birth, so we'll always lack one of the main tools for understanding why they differ from the typical traits of their Sun Sign, but we can still get some good results, IMHO. But of course this is all pure spec and I make no pretense otherwise... except that it can be FUN and I prefer to do it with a dash of BASH so I hope no one takes offense if your own sign gets ribbed for its less stellar attributes.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 General Zodiac Descriptions MakeItStop 08-16-02 1
   Capricorn MakeItStop 08-16-02 2
   Aquarius MakeItStop 08-16-02 3
       RE: Aquarius true 08-16-02 12
   Taurus MakeItStop 08-16-02 4
   Scorpio MakeItStop 08-16-02 5
   Sagittarius MakeItStop 08-16-02 6
       RE: Sagittarius PepeLePew13 08-18-02 19
   Gemini MakeItStop 08-16-02 7
       Can we say... Outfrontgirl 08-17-02 13
           RE: Can we say... snoocharoo 08-22-02 25
   Leo MakeItStop 08-16-02 8
       RE: Leo Lisapooh 08-16-02 11
   Virgo MakeItStop 08-16-02 9
       RE: Virgo I_AM_HE 08-19-02 21
           RE: Virgo MakeItStop 08-20-02 22
       Robb MakeItStop 09-20-02 26
   Pisces MakeItStop 08-16-02 10
       Thank you MIS! Outfrontgirl 08-17-02 14
       Soft-porn Brian Outfrontgirl 08-21-02 23
 Taurus vs. Scorpio redux? Outfrontgirl 08-17-02 15
   RE: Taurus vs. Scorpio redux? samiam 08-17-02 16
       RE: Taurus vs. Scorpio redux? Outfrontgirl 08-18-02 17
           RE: Taurus vs. Scorpio redux? samiam 08-18-02 18
       LIBRAs! George Tirebiter 08-19-02 20
       RE: Taurus vs. Scorpio redux? MattyMax 08-22-02 24
   RE: Taurus vs. Scorpio: Helen/Jan Outfrontgirl 09-20-02 27
       RE: Taurus vs. Scorpio: Helen/Jan George Tirebiter 09-22-02 28
 RE: Prelim Astro Assortment Outfrontgirl 09-22-02 29

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1. "General Zodiac Descriptions"
I thought I would help OFG out and add general descriptions for the sun signs. I won't be adding descriptions for those sun signs that are not represented.

For each sign, I'll provide a brief description of typical traits and likes/dislikes. This will be followed by a more detailed description for those that really get into this stuff.

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2. "Capricorn"
Erin, Ghandia, Clay, Ted, Shii Ann (Aquarius cusp)

Traditional Capricorn Traits

Practical and prudent
Ambitious and disciplined
Patient and careful
Humorous and reserved

On the dark side....

Pessimistic and fatalistic
Miserly and grudging

LIKES
Reliability
Professionalism
Knowing what you discuss
Firm Foundations
Purpose

DISLIKES
Wild Schemes
Fantasies
Go-nowhere jobs
Ignominy
Ridicule

Capricorn is one of the most stable and (mostly) serious of the zodiacal types. They are normally confident, strong willed and calm. These hardworking, unemotional, shrewd, practical, responsible, persevering, and cautious to the extreme persons, are capable of persisting for as long as is necessary to accomplish a goal they have set for themselves. They are reliable workers in almost any profession they undertake. They are the major finishers of most projects started by the 'pioneering' signs.
Capricorns set high standards for themselves and others. In their methodical, tough, stubborn, unyielding way, they persist against personal hardship.
In their personal relationships they are often ill-at-ease, if not downright unhappy. They are somewhat self-centered but not excessively so, wary and cautious around people they do not know very well, preferring not to meddle with others and in turn not to allow interference with themselves, thus they tend to attract people who do not understand them. Casual acquaintances they will treat with diplomacy, tact and, above all, reticence. They make few good friends but are intensely loyal to those they do make, and they can become bitter, and powerful enemies. They sometimes dislike the opposite sex and test the waters of affection gingerly before judging the temperature right for marriage. Once married, however, they are faithful, though inclined to jealousy. Most Capricornians marry for life.

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3. "Aquarius"
Shii Ann (Capricorn/Aquarius cusp), John (Aquarius/Pisces cusp)

Traditional Aquarian Traits

Friendly and humanitarian
Honest and loyal
Original and inventive
Independent and intellectual

On the dark side....

Intractable and contrary
Perverse and unpredictable
Unemotional and detached

LIKES
Fighting for Causes
Dreaming and Planning for the Future
Thinking of the Past
Good Companions
Having Fun

DISLIKES
Full of Air Promises
Excessive Loneliness
The Ordinary
Imitations
Idealistic

Aquarians basically possess strong and attractive personalities. They fall into two principle types: one shy, sensitive, gentle and patient; the other exuberant, lively and exhibitionist, sometimes hiding the considerable depths of their character under a cloak of frivolity. Both types are strong willed and forceful in their different ways and have strong convictions, though as they seek truth above all things, they are usually honest enough to change their opinions, however firmly held, if evidence comes to light which persuades them that they have been mistaken. They are unprejudiced and tolerant of other points of view. This is because they can see the validity of the argument, even if they do not accept it themselves.
Both types are humane, frank, serious minded, genial, refined, sometimes ethereal, and idealistic, though this last quality is tempered with a sensible practicality. They are quick, active and persevering without being self-assertive, and express themselves with reason, moderation and sometimes, a dry humor. They are nearly always intelligent, concise, clear and logical.
Both types need to retire from the world at times and to become temporary loners. Even in company they are fiercely independent, refusing to follow the crowd. They dislike interference by others, however helpfully intended, and will accept it only on their own terms.
In spite of the often intensely magnetic, forthcoming and open personality of the more extrovert kind of Aquarian, and of their desire to help humanity, neither type makes friends easily. They sometimes appear to condescend to others and take too little trouble to cultivate the acquaintance of people who do not particularly appeal to them. They do not give themselves easily - perhaps their judgment of human nature is too good for that - and are sometimes accounted cold. But once they decide that someone is worthy of their friendship or love, they can exert an almost hypnotic and irresistible mental attraction on them and will themselves become tenacious friends or lovers, ready to sacrifice everything for their partners and be faithful to them for life. However, they are sometimes disappointed emotionally because their own high personal ideals cause them to demand more of others than is reasonable. And if they are deceived their anger is terrible. If disillusioned, they do not forgive.
Aquarians work best in group projects, provided that they are recognized as having a leading part in them.
Among the faults to which they are liable are fanatical eccentricity, wayward egotism, excessive detachment and an inclination to retreat from life and society, and a tendency to be extremely dogmatic in their opinions.

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12. "RE: Aquarius"
Wow! You have put a lot of work into these. Very interesting reading! I don't know about the survivors, but you've managed to describe me exactly!

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4. "Taurus"
Helen, Penny

Traditional Taurus Traits

Patient and reliable
Warmhearted and loving
Persistent and determined
Placid and security loving

On the dark side....

Jealous and possessive
Resentful and inflexible
Self-indulgent and greedy

LIKES
Stability
Being Attracted
Things Natural
Time to Ponder
Comfort and Pleasure

DISLIKES
Disruption
Being pushed too hard
Synthetic or "man made" things
Being rushed
Being indoors

The Taurean's characteristics are solidity, practicality, extreme determination and strength of will - no one will ever drive them, but they will willingly and loyally follow a leader they trust. They are stable, balanced, conservative good, law-abiding citizens and lovers of peace, possessing all the best qualities of the bourgeoisie.
Mentally, they are keen-witted and practical more often than intellectual, but apt to become fixed in their opinions through their preference for following accepted and reliable patterns of experience. Their character is generally dependable, steadfast, prudent, just, firm and unshaken in the face of difficulties. Their vices arise from their virtues, going to extremes on occasion,such as sometimes being too slavish to the conventions they admire.

On rare occasions a Taurean may be obstinately and exasperatingly self-righteous, unoriginal, rigid, ultraconservative, argumentative, querulous bores, stuck in a self-centered rut. They may develop a brooding resentment through nursing a series of injuries received and, whether their characters are positive or negative, they need someone to stroke their egos with a frequent, "Well Done!" Most Taureans are not this extreme though.
They are faithful and generous friends with a great capacity for affection, but rarely make friends with anyone outside their social rank, to which they are ordinarily excessively faithful. In the main, they are gentle, even tempered, good natured, modest and slow to anger, disliking quarreling and avoiding ill-feeling. If they are provoked, however, they can explode into violent outbursts of ferocious anger in which they seem to lose all self-control. Equally unexpected are their occasional sallies into humor and exhibitions of fun.
In their work, Taureans are industrious and good craftspeople, and are not afraid of getting their hands dirty. They are reliable, practical, methodical and ambitious, within a framework of obedience to superiors.
No other sign in the zodiac is closer to earth then Taurus. The main objective in leading a Taurean life is primarily (though not entirely) to maintain stability and physical concerns.

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5. "Scorpio"
Jan, Stephanie

Traditional Scorpio Traits

Determined and forceful
Emotional and intuitive
Powerful and passionate
Exciting and magnetic

On the dark side....

Jealous and resentful
Compulsive and obsessive
Secretive and obstinate

LIKES
Truth
Hidden Causes
Being involved
Work That is Meaningful
Being Persuasive

DISLIKES
Being Given Only Surface data
Taken Advantage of
Demeaning Jobs
Shallow Relationships
Flattery and Flattering

Scorpios are the most intense, profound, powerful characters in the zodiac. Even when they appear self-controlled and calm there is a seething intensity of emotional energy under the placid exterior. They are like the volcano not far under the surface of a calm sea, it may burst into eruption at any moment. But those of us who are particularly perceptive will be aware of the harnessed aggression, the immense forcefulness, magnetic intensity, and often strangely hypnotic personality under the tranquil, but watchful composure of Scorpio. In conventional social gatherings they are pleasant to be with, thoughtful in conversation, dignified, and reserved, yet affable and courteous; they sometimes possess penetrating eyes which make their shyer companions feel naked and defenseless before them.
In their everyday behavior they give the appearance of being withdrawn from the center of activity, yet those who know them will recognize the watchfulness that is part of their character. They need great self-discipline, because they are able to recognize the qualities in themselves that make them different from other humans, and to know their utterly conventional natures can be used for great good, or great evil. Their tenacity and willpower are immense, their depth of character and passionate conviction overwhelming, yet they are deeply sensitive and easily moved by their emotions. Their sensitivity, together with a propensity for extreme likes and dislikes make them easily hurt, quick to detect insult or injury to themselves (often when none is intended) and easily aroused to ferocious anger. This may express itself in such destructive speech or action that they make lifelong enemies by their outspokenness, for they find it difficult not to be overly critical of anything or anyone to whom they take a dislike.
They are too demanding, too unforgiving of faults in others, perhaps because they are not aware of the shortcomings within themselves, and extravagantly express their self-disgust in unreasonable resentment against their fellows. They do, however, make excellent friends, provided that their companions do nothing to impugn the honor of which Scorpios are very jealous. Part of the negative side of the Scorpio nature is a tendency to discard friends once they cease to be useful, but the decent native is aware of, and fights this tendency.

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6. "Sagittarius"
Tanya, Jed

Traditional Sagittarius Traits

Optimistic and freedom-loving
Jovial and good-humored
Honest and straightforward
Intellectual and philosophical

On the dark side....

Blindly optimistic and careless
Irresponsible and superficial
Tactless and restless

LIKES
Traveling
getting to the heart of the matter
Freedom
Laws and meanings
the general 'feel' of things

DISLIKES
Off the wall theories
being tied down domestically
Being constrained
cooling your heels
bothered with details

Sagittarians have a positive outlook on life, are full of enterprise, energy, versatility, adventurousness and eagerness to extend experience beyond the physically familiar. They enjoy travelling and exploration, they are ambitious and optimistic, and continue to be so even when their hopes are dashed. Their strongly idealistic natures can also suffer many disappointments without being affected. They are honorable, honest, trustworthy, truthful, generous and sincere, with a passion for justice. They are usually on the side of the underdog in society they will fight for any cause they believe to be just, and are prepared to be rebellious. They balance loyalty with independence.
Sagittarians are usually modest and are often religious, with a strong sense of morality, though they tend to overemphasize the ethical codes they follow and worship beliefs about God rather than God Himself. Yet they may not hesitate to switch allegiance in politics or change their system of belief if they see personal advantage to themselves in doing so.
They love to initiate new projects and have an urge to understand conceptions that are new to them. they think rapidly, are intuitive and often original, but are better at adapting than inventing and are at their best when working with colleagues of other types of character that compliment their own. They are strong-willed and good at organizing.
In personal relationships they are reliable, seldom betraying any trust given to them. They can, however, be impulsively angry and both male and female Sagittarians know how to be outspoken and exactly what expressions will hurt their adversaries most. On the other hand they are magnanimous in forgiving offenses and are responsible when looking after the elderly in the family.
The vices to which Sagittarians are prone are anger they tend to flare up over trifles; impatience - they want to rush every new project through immediately and demand too much of colleagues who cannot work at the pace they require; and scorn of the inadequacies of others while expecting fulsome recognition of their own efforts.


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19. "RE: Sagittarius"

>Sagittarians are usually modest and are often religious, with a
>strong sense of morality, though they tend to overemphasize the
>ethical codes they follow and worship beliefs about God rather
>than God Himself.

Gee, I'd better hustle myself off to a church... if somebody could point the way to one as I haven't seen one in quite a while.

Seriously... this whole description for a Sagittarius does pretty much match me about 80% or so.

This thread has lots of great stuff, OFG and MIS... good job there!

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7. "Gemini"
Ken

Traditional Gemini traits

Adaptable and versatile
Communicative and witty
Intellectual and eloquent
Youthful and lively

On the dark side....

Nervous and tense
Superficial and inconsistent
Cunning and inquisitive

LIKES
Talking
Novelty and the unusual
Variety in life
Multiple projects all going at once
Reading

DISLIKES
Feeling tied down
Learning, such as school
Being in a rut
Mental inaction
Being alone

Gemini, the sign of the Twins, is dual-natured, elusive, complex and contradictory. On the one hand it produces the virtue of versatility, and on the other the vices of two-facedness and flightiness. Like children they are lively, and happy, if circumstances are right for them, or egocentric, imaginative and restless. They take up new activities enthusiastically but lack application, constantly needing new interests, flitting from project to project as apparently purposelessly as a butterfly dancing from flower to flower. Changing horses in the middle of the stream is another small quirk in the Gemini personality which makes decision making, and sticking to a decision, particularly hard for them.
They are affectionate, courteous, kind, generous, and thoughtful towards the poor and suffering - provided none of the activities resulting from expressing these traits interferes too greatly with their own lives and comforts. They quickly learn to use their outward attractiveness to gain their own ends, and when striving for these they will use any weapon in their armory - unscrupulous lying, and cunning evasiveness; escaping blame by contriving to put it on other people, wrapped up in all the charm they can turn on. In their better moments they may strive to be honest and straightforward, but self-interest is almost always the victor. If things go against them, they sulk like children. Also like children, they demand attention, admiration, and the spending on them of time, energy and money, throwing tantrums if they don't get what they want. They reflect every change in their surroundings, like chameleons, and can become pessimistic, sullen, peevish and materialistically self-centered if circumstances force them to struggle in any way. If the conditions of life become really adverse, their strength of will may desert them entirely. They can become uncertain of themselves, either withdrawn, or nervously excitable worriers, sullenly discontented, hard and irritable, with "Self" looming ever larger in their struggles. On the other hand their versatility can make them very adaptable, adjusting themselves to control the world around them by means of their inherent ingenuity and cleverness.
Most Gemini have a keen, intuitive, sometimes brilliant intelligence and they love cerebral challenges. But their concentration, though intense for a while, does not last. Their mental agility and energy give them a voracious appetite for knowledge from youth onward, though they dislike the labor of learning. They easily grasp almost everything requiring intelligence and mental dexterity, and are often able to marry manual skills to their qualities of mind.

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13. "Can we say..."
Lex?

>>If things go against them, they sulk like children. Also like children, they demand attention, admiration, and the spending on them of time, energy and money, throwing tantrums if they don't get what they want. They reflect every change in their surroundings, like chameleons, and can become pessimistic, sullen, peevish and materialistically self-centered if circumstances force them to struggle in any way. If the conditions of life become really adverse, their strength of will may desert them entirely. They can become uncertain of themselves, either withdrawn, or nervously excitable worriers, sullenly discontented, hard and irritable, with "Self" looming ever larger in their struggles. On the other hand their versatility can make them very adaptable, adjusting themselves to control the world around them by means of their inherent ingenuity and cleverness.

For me, Lex epitomizes the Gemini player... male.

(Lis did the Gemini woman... Marilyn Monroe was a Gemini, vulnerable yet tough, subtly sarcastic... gorgeous at all times.)


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25. "RE: Can we say..."
Lex definitely embodies the pure Gemini man...my favorite player but I'd hate to be married to him.

"I'm a double gemini...does that mean there are 4 of me?"

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8. "Leo"
Jake

Traditional Leo Traits

Generous and warmhearted
Creative and enthusiastic
Broad-minded and expansive
Faithful and loving

On the dark side....

Pompous and patronizing
Bossy and interfering
Dogmatic and intolerant

LIKES
Speculative ventures
Lavish Living
Pageantry and Grandeur
Children
Drama

DISLIKES
Doing things safely
Ordinary,Day to day living
Small minded people
Penny pinching
Mean spiritedness

The Leo type is the most dominant, spontaneously creative and extrovert of all the zodiacal characters. In grandeur of manner, splendor of bearing and magnanimity of personality, they are the monarch's among humans as the lion is king of beasts. They are ambitious, courageous, dominant, strong willed, positive, independent, self-confident there is no such a word as doubt in their vocabularies, and they are self-controlled. Born leaders, either in support of, or in revolt against, the status quo. They are at their most effective when in a position of command, their personal magnetism and innate courtesy of mind bringing out the best of loyalty from subordinates. They are uncomplicated, knowing exactly what they want and using all their energies, creativeness and resolution to get it, as well as being certain that they will get whatever they are after. If Leonians meet with setbacks they thrive on the adversity.
On the whole they are powers for good, for they are strongly idealistic, humane, and beneficent. They have powerful intelligence and are of a broad philosophical, sometimes religious, turn of mind.
Their faults can be as large in scale as their virtues, and an excessively negative Leonian can be one of the most unpleasant human beings imaginable, displaying extreme arrogance, autocratic pride, haughtiness, and excessive hastiness of temper. If jealously suspicious of rivals, they will not hesitate to use cunning, lies and trickery to discredit them. Self-centeredness, greed for flattery, boastfulness, and bombast, pomposity, snobbish superiority, and overbearing, and intolerant disdain of underlings; to whom they will nevertheless delegate the carrying out of minor details in their grandiose schemes, and from whom they are not above borrowing immoderately if an occasion necessitates it. Fortunately it is rare that a Leo is so undisciplined as to give way thoroughly to this list of vices, and their tendencies to them are usually balanced by an innate wisdom. Those who are afflicted with them also have the intelligence it takes to consciously and actively overcome them.
In his or her relations with others the Leo type is open, sincere, genuine and trusting. Outgoing, spontaneously warm hearted and plain spoken, though never lacking in kindliness, Leos are more disillusioned than the average if let down by those they trust. They are not good judges of character and are inclined to favoritism and an exaggerated faith in their followers which too often ends in disappointment.

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11. "RE: Leo"
LAST EDITED ON 08-18-02 AT 12:00 PM (EST)

WOW MIS - you have been super busy baby! I'm much more of an astology fan than astrology expert.

But I was excited to see that Jake shares a birthday with both my father and my best friend. The two of them are definitely cut from the same cloth and true Leos. I'm gonna think about if what traits the two of them share and how it might relate to Jake.

I will give you a few off the top of my head traits for Aug. 21 people.
Both are very strong willed and protective.
Combative with people they feel have hurt them. Holds grudges FOREVER. Seriously both of them are ticked off about things that happened years ago
Too loyal - fanatically so to family and people they love.
Very forceful
Born leaders
Protectors – stick up for people weaker then they are
Quick to get in the middle of disputes (even those that don't involve them).
Incredibly generous
Quick tempered - do not apologize, but instead do lavish gestures to make up for their mistakes.
Fiercely competitive - not particularly team players - it would never occur to them to let someone else win or to be forgiving of team members who made stupid mistakes (if it was an accident - they would be supportive, but no patience with stupid mistakes).
Conservative morals (with a few pronounced, unexpected wild hairs)
Very devoted to people they love (they love fiercely too- if that makes sense)

Actually, this was kind of cool - I always thought my dad and my best friend had a lot in common, but when I was thinking about it in terms of survivor - it was even more pronounced than I thought

I'm sure this was fascinating to y'all


edited to add - this just makes it freaky - they are/were both distance runners and Jake is a triathlete. I love astrology!

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9. "Virgo"
Robb

Traditional Virgo Traits

Modest and shy
Meticulous and reliable
Practical and diligent
Intelligent and analytical

On the dark side....

Fussy and a worrier
Overcritical and harsh
Perfectionist and conservative

LIKES
Health foods
Lists
Hygiene
Order
Wholesomeness

DISLIKES
Hazards to health
Anything sordid
Sloppy workers
Squalor
Being uncertain

Virgo is the only zodiacal sign represented by a female. It is sometimes thought of as a potentially creative girl, delicately lovely; sometimes as a somewhat older woman, intelligent but rather pedantic and spinsterish. The latter impression is sometimes confirmed by the Virgoan preciseness, refinement, fastidious love of cleanliness, hygiene and good order, conventionality and aristocratic attitude of reserve. They are usually observant, shrewd, critically inclined, judicious, patient, practical supporters of the status quo, and tend toward conservatism in all departments of life.
They may conceal too much emotion, to which they are afraid of giving way because they do not trust others, nor do they have confidence in themselves and their judgments. They are still waters that run deep. Yet in their unassuming, outwardly cheerful and agreeable fashion, they can be sensible, discreet, well spoken, wise and witty, with a good understanding of other people's problems which they can tackle with a practicality not always evident in their own personal relationships.
Both sexes have considerable charm and dignity, which make some male Virgoans appear effeminate when they are not. They are intellectually enquiring, methodical and logical, studious and teachable. They combine mental ingenuity with the ability to produce a clear analysis of the most complicated problems. They have an excellent eye for detail but they may be so meticulous that they neglect larger issues. Also, although they are realists, they may slow down projects by being too exact. They are practical with their hands, good technicians and have genuine inventive talents, Thoroughness, hard work and conscientiousness are their hallmarks, and they are such perfectionists that, if things go wrong, they are easily discouraged.
Their faults, as is usual with all zodiacal types, are the extremes of their virtues. Fastidious reticence and modesty become old-maidishness and persnicketiness; balanced criticism becomes carping and nagging; and concern for detail becomes overspecialization. Virgoans are liable to indecision in wider issues and this can become chronic, turning molehills of minor difficulties into Himalayas of crisis. Their prudence can become guile and their carefulness, turned in on themselves, can produce worriers and hypochondriacs.

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21. "RE: Virgo"
>>DISLIKES
>>Hazards to health
>>Anything sordid
>>Sloppy workers
>>Squalor
>>Being uncertain

ok, this probably belongs on bashers...but does anyone else have the exact opposite impression of Robb?? i'm sure its extremely unfair to judge that based on the bios alone, but wow...

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22. "RE: Virgo"
I have to agree with you. Robb doesn't seem to be the typical Virgo. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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26. "Robb"
I just wanted to point out that Robb is letting his super-critical Virgo side show. What a moron! He also seemed quite diligent in building the shelter. And I'm sure he thought he was being practical. On the other hand, he doesn't seem shy or conservative. So it looks like Robb does show some of the Virgo traits... sort of along the lines of Jerri. I suppose this means that Robb is the Survivor that we are destined to HATE.


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10. "Pisces"
Brian

Traditional Pisces Traits

Imaginative and sensitive
Compassionate and kind
Selfless and unworldly
Intuitive and sympathetic

On the dark side....

Escapist and idealistic
Secretive and vague
Weak-willed and easily led

LIKES
Solitude to dream in
Mystery in all its guises
Anything discarded to stay discarded
The ridiculous
like to get 'lost'

DISLIKES
the obvious
being criticized
feeling all at sea about something
know-it-alls
pedantry

Pisceans possess a gentle, patient, malleable nature. They have many generous qualities and are friendly, good natured, kind and compassionate, sensitive to the feelings of those around them, and respond with the utmost sympathy and tact to any suffering they encounter. They are deservedly popular with all kinds of people, partly because their easygoing, affectionate, submissive natures offer no threat or challenge to stronger and more exuberant characters. They accept the people around them and the circumstances in which they find themselves rather than trying to adapt them to suit themselves, and they patiently wait for problems to sort themselves out rather than take the initiative in solving them. They are more readily concerned with the problems of others than with their own.
They are also versatile and intuitive, have quick understanding, observe and listen well, and are receptive to new ideas and atmospheres.
They are never egotistical in their personal relationships and give more than they ask from their friends. They are intensely loyal and home-loving and will remain faithful.

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14. "Thank you MIS!"
Wow, I so appreciate these descriptions of the traits. Once we see these people in action, we'll know better which of the paths that are available to each sign these particular individuals have chosen. One of the values of astrology (for me) in spoiling is that we have a game where people know they are supposed to hide their "problem" traits in order to stay in the game, but due to the pressures of the game and the environment we see their resolve to moderate themselves crumble.

Astrology can give us a clue as to what we will get when they break and let their dark side show.

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23. "Soft-porn Brian"
LOL,
So now that we know Brian is a soft-porn actor, we can start honing in a little more on Brian's qualities:
a few that jumped out from MIS's list

>>weak willed and easily led...
submissive nature
anything discarded should stay discarded...

in that business, I have to agree about the discards.

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15. "Taurus vs. Scorpio redux?"
One of the most memorable Survivor moments remains the fight between Scorpio Kimmy and Taurus Alicia.

Both signs are Fixed and in Opposition to each other and known for their unwillingness to back down. Well, Scorpio will back down in order to plot a better revenge at a future moment...

So here, with a possible all-female tribe (only stating the rumors, haven't had a chance to catch up on the evidence), we have 2 Taurus: Helen & Penny
and 2 Scorpios: Jan & Stephanie

Now there is certainly a possibility that they will like each other and admire each others' strengths, but should they be types who ANNOY each other, we have a good set up for sparks to fly.

On another note, about TYPES:
People often complain that astrology typecasts people. It's true that simple astrology does that, whereas full-on astrology is very complex and accentuates the uniqueness of each person, but, for the game of Survivor, Burnett does cast for TYPE.

I was taken by his remark when interviewed with Jiffy on the Early Show Thursday: (from memory)
people will say that we cast for looks first and type second, but that's totally untrue. That would be a calendar.

Essentially, he admitted they cast for TYPE and are not picking a group of interesting qualified individuals. But then we knew that from his book, that he sees the competitive strategies in terms of types.

It interests me that he casts so many Capricorns and Aquarians--one sign known for its ability to control and win at all costs, the other known for its determination to follow the beat of its own drummer at all costs--including the approval and acceptance of others. Add to that the way beyond statistical odds number of Capricorn-Aquarian cusp players, those who are doomed (or blessed, depending on your take on it) to try to fulfill both those needs, and you get a very interesting type for this game!

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16. "RE: Taurus vs. Scorpio redux?"
I think it's odd that he's almost completely excluded one sign from the game...the diplomatic Libra. I'm guessing because in an interview, a need-to-impress-someone situation, they tend to rely on charm and social grace...they can fool you into thinking they're all fluff and no substance. But as I heard it said once, they're an iron fist in a velvet glove. It's a masculine (active), cardinal sign -- the ones I've known tend to be closet control freaks, but you'd never know because they do it in such a pleasant way (even if it does take them forever to figure out exactly what it is they DO want).

Or maybe he just doesn't want someone on the show that might help to RESOLVE conflicts and create harmony, because that's not conducive to drama and high ratings.

Or maybe statistically speaking, fewer Libras apply because y'know, they'll get their hands all dirty and stuff, and we can't have THAT. *grin*

Libra sun, Virgo ASC, Virgo moon, Virgo stellium (moon, mars, mercury) conjunct ASC...does anyone want anything organized, analyzed and looking gorgeous?

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17. "RE: Taurus vs. Scorpio redux?"
LOL, Sami, well put! I had been wondering along those lines myself. Seems to me you Libras might throw a monkeywrench in the game that belied your seductive exterior--we have some outstanding Libra Bashers here--you, Moonbaby, and GT (yes, Ms. Diplomacy herself) come to mind in my astro memory bank... do Libras really promote harmony? I know they like a good "discussion."

Anyway, look what happened to poor Jessie. She was called by many the most gorgeous contestant ever, but the poor thing wasn't prepared for the harsh environment and got all crusty-lipped.

As for the question in your sig line, I think most anyone would pick you for the "conjugal visit" ep.

So what do you think of this Virgo male model bartender we got this tme? Can he fill Virgo Jerri's "slot" in the series?

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18. "RE: Taurus vs. Scorpio redux?"
Well, we DO like a good discussion/debate, as long as things stay civil and theoretical. It's when actual emotions and drama start flying around that we get all flustered (barring, of course, an ascendant or moon placement that would help mitigate this). It's more PHYSICAL/EMOTIONAL peace and harmony we have to have; mentally, we can do gymnastics all day with nary a scar. I mean, being ruled by Venus, we crave beatiful, harmonious surroundings to help keep ourselves in balance. Being denied that, out-of-balance Libras can get exhausted and physically ill, like Jessie did in Africa. Boran is losing challenges, the first day there's a huge emotional confrontation, they're having to vote people out right away, they're in the middle of this ugly-ass desert...it's not surprising she retreated into solitude in the boma and got all dehydrated (come on, Jessie, girl, gotta keep those kidneys flushed out!).

I'm reserving judgment on Robb until I see what's going on with his moon...can't we petition EPM to put their damn birth times in their bios so we can check ascendants?

As for filling Jerri's "slot", I think that's easily done by anyone with $20. Oops, wrong board. *grin*

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20. "LIBRAs!"
Glad I read all the way to the bottom--I was starting to feel slighted! Now I see it makes sense that my astrological peers just have too much sense to get involved in such a farce as Survivor.

Seriously--I really find this fascinating, and am VERY appreciative of all the time and effort you ladies have put into this (and it's only a preliminary assessment?!) On behalf of the interested--yet largely ignorant--among us, THANK YOU--you kick ass!

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24. "RE: Taurus vs. Scorpio redux?"
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Funny you talk about libras, I was just about to post about us as well. I think that we might be too good at the game, being charming, pretty and wicked clever.

I once read that a libra's greatest 'weapon' is making people think they're smarter than us. Survivor really needs some sly talkers, instead of brash yellers who shoot themselves in the foot.


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Edit: Libra Sun, Virgo Moon, Leo Ascendant... purr...

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27. "RE: Taurus vs. Scorpio: Helen/Jan"
Talking to myself again to note that it looks like Ep. 2 will already bring a Taurus/Scorpio female pair together when Helen (Taurus) and Jan (Scorpio) get lost in a boat...

As I wrote when cast was announced:
>One of the most memorable Survivor
>moments remains the fight between
>Scorpio Kimmy and Taurus Alicia.
>
>Both signs are Fixed and in Opposition to each other and
>known for their unwillingness to back down.
>So here... we have 2 Taurus: Helen & Penny and 2 Scorpios: Jan & Stephanie
>
>Now there is certainly a possibility that they will like each
>other and admire each others' strengths, but should they be
>types who ANNOY each other, we have a good set up for sparks to fly.

So we'll see how they do under stress here. To repeat the problem, it's that the signs are FIXED, which means they would prefer to steer a fixed course, not to negotiate, change, adapt, take advice, and they both have intense tempers that are usually kept under tight control.

btw, the Penny and Stephanie opposition is on Purple, so we got one pair on each team.


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28. "RE: Taurus vs. Scorpio: Helen/Jan"
Bumping an important thread to keep it on page 1--I'm loving being able to over-ANALize these people, now they've given us something to compare/contrast with the initial assessments.

Also want to tell the ISP-plagued OFG to check the evil SB message inbox, and perhaps to a temporary, web-based email?

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29. "RE: Prelim Astro Assortment"
LAST EDITED ON 09-22-02 AT 10:48 PM (EST)

Thanks for the bump, GT (hmmm that sounds wrong somehow)...

Now we have tribes set until some arbitrary swap (or not), I can add the mix of elements and the dynamic modes.

RED

Jan_______ Scorpio_______ Fixed______ Water
Ted_______ Capricorn_____ Cardinal___ Earth
Helen_____ Taurus________ Fixed______ Earth
John______ Aquarius______ Fixed______ Air
Ghandia___ Capricorn_____ Cardinal___ Earth
Brian______ Pisces________ Mutable____ Water
Tanya_____ Sagittarius____ Mutable____ Fire
Clay______ Capricorn_____ Cardinal___ Earth

Jan, a Water (feeling sign) picked a tribe that was composed of two Water signs, FOUR earth, one air (booted) and one Fire (Tanya). This tribe has THREE Capricorns, which is too many people who each secretly believe they should run the show--from behind the scenes, if they're smart: Ted, Ghandia, and Clay.

Red has more signs that are practical (Earth) and empathetic (Water). Earth and Water are considered the passive, more introverted signs (feminine, in old way of thinking). Tanya and John were the only extroverts--she was sick (and so repressed) and he got booted.

The modes were as evenly balanced as possible with eight:
with John gone, the mix is 3 Cardinal, 2 Fixed, and 2 Mutable.

PURPLE
Jake, a Fire (spirit, ego) sign, picked a more balanced tribe, although the whole group is weighted with Earth signs
(SEVEN out of the 16).

JAKE_________ LEO___________ FIXED______ FIRE
STEPHANIE____ SCORPIO_______ FIXED______ WATER
KEN__________ GEMINI________ MUTABLE____ AIR
PENNY________ TAURUS________ FIXED______ EARTH
JED__________ SAGITTARIUS___ MUTABLE____ FIRE
SHII ANN_____ AQUARIUS/CAP__ FIXED______ AIR
ROBB_________ VIRGO_________ MUTABLE____ EARTH
ERIN_________ CAPRICORN_____ CARDINAL___ EARTH

3 Earth, 2 Fire, 2 Air, 1 Water.
Oddly, Jake picked Water, Air, Earth, and Fire in order when he began picking, and if you look at his pick order--had a Water been left to choose he would have balanced it out evenly, albeit having no way of knowing that.

Purple has 4 active/extrovert (masculine) signs: Jake, Jed. Ken, Shii.

4 introvert signs: Stephanie, Penny, Robb, and Erin.

Purple is more diverse and balanced but having a harder time unifying the personalities and goals than Red.

I find it interesting that the last two picked were both Capricorn goats (Clay and Erin) and both felt under-estimated. Very apropos. Capricorns are generally underestimated, generally incorrectly.

Another astro coincidence: John the Aquarian lit up when asked (by Jane Clayson) if he'd want to be compared with Michael Skupin and Gretchen--both Aquarians.

And yes, MIS, Robb's definitely showing Virgo concerns about security, and he may be the new Jerri with his criticisms.

I would add that Virgos like to fuss when they or others get wounded, and that Virgos are noted for trying to make others feel guilty about not doing their share of the work, and usually that is because Virgos DO more than their share.

Robb's bounciness and language "skills" must come from his ascendant... Virgos generally are very articulate/refined. Or maybe he was so uncool at one time that he desperately went overboard. There's probably some peer group where he fits perfectly. It's just not his tribe.

(hey, my "grown" son watched with me and cheered when Robb rode his skateboard, and thought he was the only kewl guy there, so in Robb's world he may be considered very refined and sharp)


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