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"Snewser says ... Sean gets voted off"
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05-15-02, 05:22 PM (EST)
 
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"Snewser says ... Sean gets voted off" |
I know there is already a post about this started by shakes--but this is big news and should not get lost in the shuffle. Snewser finally admitted that it is Sean that is getting the boot. See http://www.survivornews.net/spoilers/
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05-15-02, 05:38 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Snewser says ... Sean gets voted off" |
It will be
>interesting to see what kind
>of denial breaks out on
>this one. I don't think you have to worry about denial--shakes has everyone too scared to contradict the great and powerful snewser (including myself). I will give you credit that you have been pushing this theory for a while. If you look at my PTTE, you will see that I have agreed with you for a while, but you were the one fighting the good fight while I was busy second-guessing myself. Personally, I think this means that Vee is next unless she wins immunity. Some people seem to think Kathy will flip and vote with Vee next; I think that is highly unlikely. After that--I think Kathy knows it is either immunity or a P/N finale.
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05-16-02, 06:23 AM (EST)
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35. "RE: Snewser says ... Sean gets voted off" |
Just throwing it out there regarding the reasons as to why Kathy might switch during final four. Assuming that Snewser is right and Sean gets voted off this coming episode, we would have P,N,K,V as the final four with Vee probably being the next bootee after Sean. But what if during the final four, when Vee is supposed to get voted off, she wins the crucial IC and P,N,K couldn't vote her off? In this situation, it'd make a ton of sense for Kathy to switch her allegience to Vee. Vee would also make a great decision by allying with Kathy instead of P,N because she knows that she'd have to win the final IC in order to get to the final two while allying with Kathy would give Vee a much higher chance of ending up in the final two. Both Vee and Kathy have nothing to lose and all to gain by allying with each other in final four. Vee is safe for the week because of the IN and Kathy is going to get voted off anyway unless she allies with Vee to force a tie vote. I'm actually thinking that this might actually take place for Snewser's spoiler and Gina's comment (of knowing who the winner among the final two) to be valid. If Sean gets voted off this week and thus Vee next week, I think it'll be tougher for Gina to predict who among K,P,N will win the jury vote. Vee making it to the final two is also consistent with the "prominent/UTR" final two editing that MB loves. Someone on the spoilers board a long time ago (I can't even remember if it was even me because it was that long ago!) had noted that the OM seems to not mention Vee at all during any of the exit interviews. Perhaps they didn't want to slip up the unpredictable element of Survivor so early during the game and thus subconsciously avoided mentioning her. Robert had also mentioned that Vee is a player during his exit interview. Kathy will earn the respect of the juries (refer to Robert's comment of admiring the lady to sticking with Neleh) for playing it fair and with dignity. She voted with P and N as far as she could despite a slimmer chance of winning the game against them, and she only voted against them during final four where she had no choice. Thus a tie vote with Kathy/Vee winning and ending up as final two.
Kathy O'Brien... The Sole Survivor!
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05-15-02, 06:05 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Kathy and ... who?" |
I agree, AyaK.I think Kathy can beat any of the other 3. The Rotu 4 is the key here. Not that they will all necessarily vote alike, but I think that at least they will all see that Kathy has played the best game. Historically, the jury (on the whole) puts aside their personal feelings and goes with the best player. And what of the not-so-reliable TP spoiler that the final 2 are a man and a woman. I can justify that by Kathy taking the person she would rather lose to. How could anyone be angry about losing to dear ole Pappy? But I think we will see the first time for the final IC winner to actually win the game! bebe 
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05-15-02, 06:37 PM (EST)
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15. "All K would need in F2 is Rotu 4 to vote for her" |
As long as Kathy wins the final 3 IC, for which she has a great chance if it's endurance based, it might not matter who she picks...All she needs to do is get the Rotu 4 on the jury to vote for her and she wins. Well, in some sense all of V, P, N have turned on the Rotu 4, whereas K never turned on the Rotu 4. Option 1: Rotu 4 vote emotionally - they feel betrayed by V/P/N and give K the $M. Option 2: Rotu 4 vote for the best player - K really had to overcome a lot in the came, and won her fair share of challenges. Why not give K the $M? What other options do you see?
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05-15-02, 07:10 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: All K would need in F2 is Rotu 4 to vote for her" |
I wouldn't say that Kathy never turned on the Rotu 4, but I don't think she ever made them any promises. John clearly thought Pappy and neleH were on his side (Pappy gave his word). I agree she can beat anybody, but on the off chance she doesn't, I'm betting she would most rather lose to Pappy. And the final 3 challenge, I don't care what it is, Kathy has proven that she has an incredibly strong will. She knows that against neleH and Pappy it's her only chance and she will do it! bebe
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steppingrazor42 283 desperate attention whore postings
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05-15-02, 05:39 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Snewser says ... Sean gets voted off" |
Thanks zzz!!!! it looks like Sean just can't get it together for the end game, oh well it's what alot of us predicted anyway, right? Well if this is the way the S#%$s going down I hope Kathy wins.
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05-15-02, 06:11 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Snewser says ... Sean gets voted off" |
If his source is absolute, why was he wrong about Zoe's boot? I know he is a dependable spoiler but I am just curious why he was wrong this once. Any ideas?
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05-15-02, 06:41 PM (EST)
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16. "Survivor News" |
toddE, remember that Snewser wasn't the only one wrong about the Zoe boot -- the ABT was wrong too (their only miss of the year on their predictions).I have no idea what information might have been supplied to Snewser. However, I presume that he learned when Sean was booted and that Sean turned the tables on the Rotu 4. That would enable you to predict the John boot ... but it wouldn't give you a clue about which one went next. As you remember, the vidclips showed us that Tammy won immunity, and she would have been the logical target. On 50-50 odds, Snewser made the wrong guess. If you look at Snewser's logic about the E9 boot, it's a prediction, like Acme makes, not foreknowledge. The E12 boot, on the other hand, is foreknowledge.
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05-15-02, 08:37 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Survivor News" |
AyaK, remember the whole tone of the ABT prediction for the week Zoe got booted? It was very strange, and not in keeping with the same style/content which their other picks have had. I don't recall the exact wording, but it actually stated to the effect in the post that "sooner or later they would get one wrong", but that they "still had the best spoiler record" yadda, yadda, yadda. To me, it almost seemed like they tanked that pick on purpose.
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05-15-02, 09:01 PM (EST)
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22. "Acme tanking one? Doubtful" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-15-02 AT 09:09 PM (EST)>>I don't recall the exact wording, but it actually stated to the effect in the post that "sooner or later they would get one wrong" What that sounds like to me is that Acme had a niggling feeling in the gut that they were wrong but were still going with their best speculation, knowing they weren't completely confident. I recognize that feeling; I get it every week. 
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05-15-02, 11:37 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: Acme tanking one? Doubtful" |
OFG, you could be right. I guess it's always easier to read into something in hindsight. I know that I still went with their suggested pick that week in my pool, even though it seemed less than certain, because the choice made sense at the time. Cool tag line, I'm a Buffett fan too.
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05-15-02, 07:53 PM (EST)
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19. "the final two !!!!" |
Ok, now that we have the final four and since talk has started, in this thread, about the final two, I would like to throw this in.Remember John said he had something to say in the final TC. John is a person that reminds me of Kelly from S3, he would probably just love to get his claws into, at least one of the contestants. Of the predicted final four, who would he have an ax to grind? The easy choice is Pappy, because he directly broke his word to him AND we ALL saw it on TV. We never saw Neleh or Kathy do that. He would also have a problem with Vee, since she was their fifth and very conveniently abandoned ship, when it appeared that John would get the boot. I really don't think he has anything against Kathy (aside from the fact that he thought she was annoying or pushy) or against Neleh (from what we have heard, he really likes her). So in conclusion, I think Kathy might just take Pappy with her to the end and the hard feelings for him might come to the surface, he has been a hypocrite ON screen for too long.
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05-15-02, 08:57 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: the final two !!!!" |
I just wanted to add that Neleh could be the person that he is annoyed with....after talking with the other jury members his view of Neleh or even Kathy could change. I think John is a drama queen anyway and will be Kellyesque no matter who he's facing in the end. I also am hoping that pappy isn't in the final 2 
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05-15-02, 09:28 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: Snewser says ... Sean gets voted off" |
Two cities:
Kathy, Neleh and Paschal are Original Rotu/New Maraamu.
Sean and Vee are Original Maraamu/New Rotu.
It's probably that simple.
Does anyone know the title of episode #13?
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05-16-02, 00:22 AM (EST)
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27. "Devil's Advocate" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-16-02 AT 01:07 AM (EST)Should I risk getting flamed by the great shakes? What the gosh, why not. The thing is that I don't doubt Snewser, but I do have to wonder about his source. If it were an inside source, someone involved with (or connected with someone involved with) production or post-production of Survivor, or at CBS, that would be one thing. But instead Snewser has someone connected with Sean somehow, who presumably got their information from Sean (shame on him in that case) somehow. But with all of the visitors last week for the RC, someone connected with any of the remaining players may not have reliable information past episode #11 if instead of the source being the player it came from the visitor. In short, what if the source got his or her information from Darryl (then shame on him), Sean's buddy? What I'm asking for here (no, I really don't want to be flamed, thank you) is for those of you who are familiar with Snewser for a vote of confidence in that Snewser has covered this angle. Don't be intimidated by shakes flame-thrower if you think it's possible someone has snowed Snewser. edited to spell Snewser's id properly.  ARRRRRRR!!!!
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05-16-02, 01:20 AM (EST)
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32. "RE: Devil's Advocate" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-16-02 AT 01:21 AM (EST)Personally, I've felt all week that the editing had made both Sean and Neleh the most likely boot targets this week, so I've not had any problems really with a Sean-boot advocacy. I do have to wonder about Kathy's strategy, however. If she's planning to go to F3 with Neleh and Paschal, then do whatever it takes to win the critical last immunity, that's all well and fine. But if she's thinking ahead she should have to consider the possibility that Vee would win the F4 immunity, in which case Kathy is voted out unless she has made an arrangement of some sort with Vee to break up Pappy and Sweetpea. It would mean risking the consequences of a deadlock, whatever that means, but Rob was willing to risk it when he tried to get Gabe to save his own butt (ie. whatever the consequences are, they are worth the risk in certain circumstances). ARRRRRRR!!!!
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05-16-02, 02:08 AM (EST)
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34. "RE: Devil's Advocate" |
Possibly because Kathy doesn't win IC and gets the IN from Pappy who we see conveniently falling down in the IC. He buys her vote to save Neleh.
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05-16-02, 12:42 PM (EST)
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40. "RE: Devil's Advocate" |
why wouldn't he just give it to nelly himself?
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05-16-02, 01:02 PM (EST)
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43. "RE: Devil's Advocate" |
Because giving it to Kathy buys Kathy's vote. Giving it to Neleh leaves his head on the chopping block.
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05-16-02, 12:28 PM (EST)
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39. "ACME Agrees" |
If anyone needs more evidence for the Sean boot--ACME posted their pick early and agreed that Sean is getting the boot. Of course, even ACME missed the Zoe boot and maybe this is another Zoe situation, but I tend to think the doubters (you know who you are) should finally fall into line.
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05-16-02, 04:16 PM (EST)
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44. "RE: Snewser says ... Sean gets voted off" |
I have read just about every post now (I don't have a life, no) and have the following to say:First: Most speculations/spoilers on here are to thought out. Thats right, over thought. MB edits the show for entertainment purposes first and to fool spoilers later (if at all). However, the basis for most spoilers are very good and make sense, if you cut them off before the theories (ie. Helen = Neleh, all the literary stuff) get way to overthought out. Second: By saying that I think going back to the beginning of each thread or idea is the way to go. Sean (or vee) will go tonight for the following basic reasons, IMO. Don't overthink this. Gina's statement about making it to the F4 if she had made it one more week. The new Maraamu "love tribe" of Kathy, Gina, Paschal and Neleh was very close and this statement points to a F4 of K/P/N/?. Gina thinking she would be the fourth. Also, Pappy broke his word with John (that being, It is so important for me that someone like Sean does not make it to the finals). Yes he bonded with Sean on the RC, blah blah blah, and he does like him more I am sure, but not enough. Pappy will try to undo some of the damage he has done to his Rep (by turning on the Rotu4) by now making sure Sean does not make it to the Finals. After all his non-alliance/alliance was to give everyone an equal shot. They have it now so, no more word breaking has to be done no matter who gets voted off. Also, Kathys talk with her son and with Rob show that she is staying with the people she was with the longest (P/N). They went through a lot together after the swithch and that will not die easily. Also, She made a statement like, If I wanted the million dollars, I would make this alliance today. She did not make the alliance, so she is taking the honorable route. Staying with her closest others. There are other reasons that put together make the simple seem to be coming true. Remember, all thing being equal, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
Again, this is just my opinion. Stay simple and the answers will present themselves. However let me say that the long detailed spoiler threads about literature, etc. are fun anyway and have provided me with hours of food for thought. Its just at the end of the day the obvious will come to pass. Later Dudes, and I can't wait until tonights episode. You all do a great job here. "Hey I think I hear a dingo eating your baby" - Bart Simpson
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05-16-02, 04:45 PM (EST)
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46. "RE: OT- SNewster site has been down all day!!!" |
I just got in, so I am not sure why you cannot. I don't know how to make it look exactly like it looks over there, but here is the basic text (keep in mind that each statement was posted separately in reverse order--earliest at the bottom):Episode 12 - "A Tale of Two Cities" The final four are Kathy, Neleh, Paschal, and Vecepia. Checkmate, bruh. Girl Power: Three Chicks have never made it to the final four in Survivor before. Until now... Vee also makes the final four SNN has learned that Kathy makes the final four
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