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"Possible Kathy Spoiler"
sweetpea 223 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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05-13-02, 05:26 PM (EST)
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"Possible Kathy Spoiler" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-13-02 AT 05:32 PM (EST)This is being discussed over on Mess. Go to Kathy's website. http://www.kathyobrien.com/surviving.html at the bottom of the page there is a pic with ##### or Leader and an arrow pointing to the right in the box that says "What I Learned". Click on the arrow, the flash will load and her words will scroll by. After about 4 paragraphs, she says "for 39 days I never saw myself in a mirror..." Now, I'm thinking that as soon as someone is voted off, the first thing they do is shower and look at a mirror to see themselves. That's what Pappy and Neeleh did on their cruise. So, if this week's tribal council is day 36, Kathy isn't voted off this week. When does day 39 fall? Does this mean she makes the final 3 or the final 2? What do you think?
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twentyfourseven 31 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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05-13-02, 05:48 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Possible Kathy Spoiler" |
Well spotted SweetPea!I think it COULD be misdirection, but more likely an actual spoiler IMHO. And is it just me or does that top pic of Kathy strongly resemble one Rudy Bosch? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Arsenal Football Club 2001-2002 Premiership Champions 2002 FA Cup Winners
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MeToo 158 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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05-13-02, 06:07 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Possible Kathy Spoiler" |
Great job, Sweetpea!!!39 days is the last day, is it not? This would mean that she makes it to F2, correct? This is, of course, assuming that the spoiler is true and that it was not just a "figure of speech". If she makes F2, I don't see how she could possibly lose against anybody. In other words, this spoiler gives the winner! Does CBS, MB or any other interested party have anything to do with this site? When did this information first appear? Perhaps it should be watched in case it mysteriously disappears a la Jeff Varner's article. Considering Kathy's current power position, and the final 3 challenge speculations, I think she has an excellent shot at F2, therefore, I'm leaning towards believing this. But I'll sit on the fence for a little while in case something else pops up. MeToo
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Napalm in the Morning 50 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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05-13-02, 09:52 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Possible Kathy Spoiler" |
>Actually, I believe that it says: >"Seeing myself through others. >For 39 days I did not >see myself in the mirror, >only through the eyes of >others". Actually, the quote is "For 39 days I never saw myself in a mirror, only through other people." (NOT "the eyes of others.") She goes on to say, "For a while I didn't like what I saw" in that her honesty and/or fear of not having the bare necessities made her appear to be too pushy or a biatch (blah, blah, etc.). IMHO, after reading the text, she meant the "mirror" both figuratively AND literally. Therefore, I believe this adds to my previous speculation that she makes it past this week to the final TC in Ep13, and is the swing vote between the Tale of Two Cities (N/P city vs. S/V city). Great SPOILER info catch to whomever first caught this! However, if Kathy does go this week, we will have to change the acronym EPMB to MFMB (even though it's Kathy's web site)!
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zzz 703 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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05-14-02, 09:21 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: Screen shots" |
Thank you very much for the screen shot. Everyone can obviously come to his or her own opinion, but it sure sounds to me like she is saying she made the final 2. I wonder if MB should sue her now for this disclosure (just kidding).
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GuessItRains 700 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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05-13-02, 07:44 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Possible Kathy Spoiler" |
Day 39 could be figurative. She was there 39 days, juror or not.On the other hand, the whole tone of the website is of someone very at peace with how she fared on the show. Kathy obviously had a tremendous experience. If she was voted out before the Final 2, she did not take it personally. She also discusses starting "The Real Foundation for Women." To me, this talk of starting scholarships and providing assistance sounds like a woman who is coming into a lot of money (100k? 1 million?) and already planning what she will do with it. The Final 2 always get asked what they will do with the money, so Kathy may have thought a great deal about her answer. Assuming this website is valid, it at least provides circumstantial evidence that Kathy is in the Final 2.
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PagongRatEater 12996 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-02, 11:53 AM (EST)
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21. "RE: Possible Kathy Spoiler" |
Gina said that she's pretty sure who would win; would that mean, she took Sean with her? Just a thought. When did Gina say this and in what context? How would Gina even know who was in the final since she wasn't on the jury? Are the contestants allowed to talk to each other about that kind of stuff off the island? Gina has a very different view of the Survivors then the jury does, since she had limited interaction with most of them and was gone pretty early. The dynamics of the game have changed seriously since Gina left the island. One thing IS for sure, she is not hinting st Sean winning it all, other than that she could be talking about sweet innocent Neleh or the loveable Pappy.
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-02, 02:35 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: Possible Kathy Spoiler" |
In one of her interviews Gina was asked who won. She said that they only know who the final 2 are. But she is sure she knows which will win the vote. That made the viewers think that a well-liked person must be up against someone not liked for Gina to think she knew who won. For instance Gina liked both Pappy and Neleh so she may not know who would win between them. But Gina didn't care for Sean so she may think anyone would win against him.
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Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-02, 02:41 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: Possible Kathy Spoiler" |
Here's a link to one thread where one of Gina's articles was discussed, and a final 2 quote from that article:http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/2740.shtml We know who the final two are because we’re all very close. But nobody knows who won -- we have our ideas -- but the show has proved to expect the unexpected. I haven't been called a "snot" since...oh...yesterday! 'Canes Rock! Beat Canada!
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clemsonbeav 4208 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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05-13-02, 09:51 PM (EST)
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10. "Complete Misdirection!" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-13-02 AT 09:53 PM (EST)Ok, think a little. Would she say... For 36 days I never... or For almost 39 days... ??? Then that would be giving us exactly when she goes. Even Jiffy uses the term 39 days for all the Survivors. I think he has said things like "For the next 39 days...you 16 survivors will have no food or water from us...blah blah blah." The usage of 39 days is just to get the point across that Survivor lasts 39 days, and during those days, there is no society. I don't think Kathy will make it to F2 unless she wins the last IC. (Methinks she goes first next time, setting up an exciting F4)
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Napalm in the Morning 50 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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05-13-02, 10:10 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Complete Misdirection!" |
>Ok, think a little. Would she say... >For 36 days I never... >or >For almost 39 days... >??? I get your point clemsonbeav, but I don't think you can just look at "39 days" in what she says. She follows it up with "I never saw myself in a mirror." Why wouldn't she say, "For the entire time I was on the Island . . ." or "During Survivor . . ." instead of "For 39 days . . ." For her to say, "For 39 days I never saw myself in the mirror," just sounds too litteral. In addition, when you read her text about everything, (not only is it kind of boring, but) she doesn't use too much (albeit some) figurative speach. Although she might be considered Zen-Budah type spiritual, she talks more like a frank, corporate/business woman then Confucious. I guess it doesn't matter too much since (I think) many of us don't believe Kathy will be gone this week anyway. However, it's nice to narrow it down with this potential spoiler information.
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sweetpea 223 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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05-14-02, 06:00 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: Bump" |
Very Interesting!
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annmurphyvt 29 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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05-14-02, 06:45 PM (EST)
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33. "Not Changed!!" |
It is 6:45 p.m est and I just reloaded, rechecked and it is NOT changed. When did you see it changed?
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Cosmogirl 16 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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05-14-02, 06:53 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: Not Changed!!" |
I just checked the website and it is indeed changed. I think this is HUGE. Whoever is in charge of that site must be lurking on the boards. That change couldn't have just been a coincidence.
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annmurphyvt 29 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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05-14-02, 07:00 PM (EST)
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36. "This is What I did,,,,Still Saw "39 days"" |
I just exited. Got back in....Typed in www.kathyobrien.com....clicked on surving.....clicked on the second picture.....still said....Never saw myself in the mirror for 39 days.....How come I can still get the message?
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Napalm in the Morning 50 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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05-15-02, 01:29 AM (EST)
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37. "CHANGED from "39 Days" to "On The Island"" |
>I just exited. Got back >in....Typed in www.kathyobrien.com....clicked on surving.....clicked >on the second picture.....still said....Never >saw myself in the mirror >for 39 days.....How come I >can still get the message? >It DEFINITELY has been changed from "For 39 days I never saw myself in a mirror" to "On the island, I never saw myself in a mirror." Either this is devious misdirection on purpose, or an obvious mistake by Kathy's web site that was rushed to be corrected. I lean towards the latter, and now consider this one of the best spoilers I've seen all year! QUESTION TO YOU EXPERTS: According to the S4 calendar, this gaffe would suggest she makes it to the last TC. Does that mean a definite F3?
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MatineeIdol 104 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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05-14-02, 09:53 AM (EST)
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16. "RE: Possible Kathy Spoiler" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-14-02 AT 10:05 AM (EST)Great find SweetPea! After reviewing her website I can't help but feel it was set-up by someone who knows she is either the winner or the second-runner up. I think that she meant the "39" days comment literally. When she discusses that she saw herself through other people's eyes this could also mean that she had to endure the jury's questions and maybe some people asked her things that showed her how others saw her. I also hunted around on the internet and Kathy is the only survivor with an official website (one not sponsored by cbs). It looks like we finally have another Survivor winner who played the game well, survived when it looked like she was surely out, and won't be looked back on like she "lucked" into it.
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George Tirebiter 2982 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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05-14-02, 10:39 AM (EST)
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17. "Websites" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-14-02 AT 11:03 AM (EST)>Kathy is the only survivor with an official website I don't believe this is true. John Carroll was rumored to have gone far because he was the first one to have a site registered (before they were even done filming?)--he had a friend take care of it for him. Robert De Canio launched his own site the week before his boot, which led some to believe he was next to go. Sorry I don't have the links at hand, but I agree--Kathy's seems to have the most invested in it. GT
Predestination was doomed from the beginning. Edited to add John's official site, which lists its launch date as 4/17/02 (not sure when the rumors started circulating about when it was registered.) Crap. Edited again to add Robert's site, which was registered to TUCOWS (a favorite Mac resource of mine) but comes up as "Under Construction" as of yet. If you search for various combinations of Survivors' names and the word "Survivor," you may come up with more--though it's not always easy to tell which are sanctioned by the player; typically, as soon as someone hits the media, some jackass will register their name in various ways, hoping to sell it back to them--plus there are many pathetic fan sites to weed through.
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Q 2569 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson"
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05-14-02, 10:57 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: Possible Kathy Spoiler" |
Great Catch on this issue guys.I think this bodes well for Kathy, If not to win, then to make to the F3 or F2. She seems to have benefitted the most from Survivor. In my opinion that makes her the true Survivor already. She is at peace with herself and her game (she should be, she played a great game.) Also, she has raised much money for other causes in the past. That cross USA bike ride, etc. So her setting up a foundation for women could be done entirely without prize money. She is obvously a salesperson at heart (real estate) and can pull this off with her newfound celebrity and skills to finish what she starts. I think the quality of the website (her son and his computer friends could help her with this, or a friend) is just that. It is not difficult to design a site and not that expensive (unless you are paying consultants and designers) if you do it yourself. Anyway, enough rambling on about how much I love Kathy (I know this isn't fanatics), but I think this shows she makes it past this week and who knows how much farther. Later, "I Don't Think Anything I've Ever Done Is Wrong" - Homer Simpson
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steppingrazor42 283 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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05-14-02, 02:04 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Possible Kathy Spoiler" |
I just don't understand why Kathy would state such an obvious spoiler?? I mean everyone who is a fan of this show knows that it's 39 days long.....How could she just casually state that she made it to the final 2 or 3 without MB being REALLY upset about it. Could she be that careless with her wording if indeed she does stay in the game all 39 days??Doesn't anybody else think this is almost too blatant? It seems strange to me.
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MatineeIdol 104 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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05-14-02, 03:05 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: Possible Kathy Spoiler" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-15-02 AT 09:39 AM (EST)I thought about that too and the only thing that I could come up with is that maybe he figured that Kathy making it to the final 2 or 3 is not the big story but rather who DOESN'T make it is. They have been playing it to the hilt that Kathy has a choice to make about who she aligns with, and I was beginning to suspect that it meant that Kathy was the next to go. That is until today when we have seen a few spoilers pointing to the fact that she does indeed at least make it to the final four. In a previous post I mentioned that on the CBS site Paschal was leading the polls in both who is the most popular survivor and who is most likely to be the sole survivor - so maybe MB is not concerned about the rather small spoiling audience discovering the Kathy is most likely the winner. (***Edited to add - WOW I just read about the website being changed! I think that this is NOT a misdirection but rather an obvious slip-up by Kathy that has now been corrected!)
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Fashionista007 34 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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05-15-02, 07:56 PM (EST)
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44. "RE: Possible Kathy Spoiler" |
But here's my question...How many other ways could she word it? What was she supposed to say?...For 36 days I didn't see myself in the mirror. I don't disagree that Kathy gets far but I wouldn't base it on this. Good eye though I must say.
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survivormitsx 271 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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05-15-02, 09:26 PM (EST)
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45. "RE: Possible Kathy Spoiler" |
One thing i would like to add is that this could have also been MB's doing and he is working with Kathy on this. He has done this in the past. This way we are all gonna be like "nah she can't get into the final 2 because it was THAT obvious!" Well guys it has been obvious before too. Remember that interview with Kim P. Where she was asked if she could change something about the game, what would it be? She said she would have voted Ethan out sooner. Obviously, MB told her to say that (he gets the questions early so the survivors aren't put 'on the spot' im guessing) and planted that to make it seem like Ethan had no chance at winning because it was that obvious. So i wouldn't count MB out of giving obvious answers...dont forget the obvious IN photos, too!
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