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"will Kathy play to win?"
third1 12 desperate attention whore postings
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05-11-02, 02:37 AM (EST)
 
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"will Kathy play to win?" |
Big breath....one post down and didn't get yelled at  ...so here goes again...the BIG question seems to be which set of alliances will Kathy join?....In editing of her visit with her son Patrick, Kathy asks him a question "are you okay for money?" , the only time I recall anyone in Survivor actually expressing a concern over personal finances and indicated (to me) that Patrick is not independent of her and which could have been heard by all. Kathy knows which alliance she should join to best her chances for a win ..K/S/V...and that means voting against Paschal, which quite a few posters seem to think will turn the jury against her...I think the need to win the money , and not downplaying Kathy's natural competitive spirit, will compel her to 'play the game'. I think the jury usually respects someone who plays well. and this jury will be composed of members who also respect gamers,J/T/R esp,and Z who she had a close tie with, and if I am clearthinking, P would not hold a grudge if she stepped over to S/V and voted him out as her strongest 'adversary' along with N...she would not really be 'turncoating' as she has not declared alliance with anyone in Soliantu...single mom, son at home, cash tight?...Jeff stressed 'gamemanship' in the last council and directed it at Kathy...okay...hit me with your thoughts please
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JeffGator 1401 desperate attention whore postings
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05-11-02, 03:53 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: will Kathy play to win?" |
Great post, third1 because I think you exposed something here that could be important:In editing of her visit with her son Patrick, Kathy asks him a question "are you okay for money?" , the only time I recall anyone in Survivor actually expressing a concern over personal finances and indicated (to me) that Patrick is not independent of her and which could have been heard by all. If she does indeed have a concern over personal finances, this could also cause her to sympathize with and ally with the players who are in most need of the money. This would favor Sean/Vee over Neleh/Paschal. Sean is a school teacher and we all know that teachers don't get paid anywhere near what they deserve. Vee is an office manager which also can be very low pay. On the other hand we have: Paschal is a judge whose salary is quite possibly in the 6 digit figures. Needless to say, I'm sure he's very wealthy. Neleh is a good student at college who is still being supported by her parents. She shouldn't have any financial concerns for a while. If Kathy does consider which people need the money more, she will definitely go over to the Sean/Vee side. Let's not forget money is a factor on Survivor--
1.Carl was voted off of Survivor before any of his fellow older tribemates in Samburu because he was so wealthy.
2.Rodger sacrificed himself for Elisabeth, because he felt she needed the money more than he did.
3.Colleen voted for Kelly W. over Rich in the Final 2 because she felt that Rich was well off and that Kelly W. needed the money.
4.Probably other examples I can't think of. I'm not saying Kathy will definitely switch to the S/V side just because they need the money more, but it's definitely something for her to consider when making her decision.
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MattyMax 515 desperate attention whore postings
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05-11-02, 08:40 PM (EST)
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3. "Money" |
Hmm... I don't agree with all of Jeff's views of what kind of money people have.SEAN- Definitly doesn't have much. He is a Schoolteacher in Harlem. Lowest of the Public Sector teaching spectrum. PASCHAL- If he's a Judge then he is being payed well, although my friends dad is a judge who left his post for the private sector because there wasn't enough money in it so that he could send his kids to college. BUT NELEH- Jeff, You say that she is a good student at a University, and that she probably won't have any money problems. Now, I'm a student at a university, too, and what I'm going to be doing afterwards is a big concern. We know that she doesn't have a job, or probably any savings. Her parents may support her, but they might not once she gets out of school (I know mine aren't supporting me.) Does anybody know how big Neleh's family is? VEE-
<<Vee is an office manager which also can be very low pay.>> Ehh... I wouldn't say this. If anything, the fact that she is a MANAGER means that she is in the middle to the upper realm of the totem pole/pay scale of the office. She is a white collar worker. While she doesn't strike me as wealthy, she does strike me as someone who is comfortable. Her clothes & her demeanor are very LLBean. She has no children, and is about to double her income with a marriage. KATHY-
She is divorced and has a son, but her son is ugly, I mean grown. Unless all he does is sit on the couch all day, he might support himself to some extent. Even so, Kathy doesn't strike me as someone who is 'moneyed'. This probably would come into play if she went up against Paschal.  MattyMax 
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potatochip 7 desperate attention whore postings
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05-11-02, 11:11 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Money" |
Neleh has a large family... according to the CBS website she has SEVEN brothers and sisters (five brothers, Tom, John, Devin, Nathan and Landon, and two sisters, McKenna and Robyn).
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Solitaire 103 desperate attention whore postings
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05-13-02, 07:45 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Money" |
Agreed on office managers not being big-money positions. I worked as an office manager for a summer when I was 19 and made $9/hour--and that's Canadian money, too. (A permanent person probably would have made about $12/hour...not much more.)Generally, office managers are people working for small businesses doing all of the general office work--answering the phone, keeping records, and maybe some accounting. If Vee were working for a larger company, she'd have a more specific title. I don't know of anyone working as an office manager that even makes more than $30,000/year (again, in Canadian dollars, so it's about $20,000 US)
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ShowMeTheWinner 962 desperate attention whore postings
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05-11-02, 11:58 PM (EST)
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7. "Kathy's loaded" |
...single mom, son at home, cash tight?...Kathy's loaded. If you go to her website at http://www.kathyobrien.com/yourstruly3.html you'll see that she earns quite a lot of money. A quote from her website: "Now, in 2002, I am the #2 agent at Lang Associates, the #1 agency in northern Vermont with sales of $25,000,000!" Assuming she just gets a 1% cut of her sales, she'd have gotten at least $250,000 per year. More than comfortable enough to raise a child by herself.
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third1 12 desperate attention whore postings
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05-12-02, 10:20 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Kathy's loaded" |
Great sleuthing! Was information new to me, and does give one pause for thought. Still think with her history of having been a small business owner over and over, and the independence and tenacity required of the realtor, she won't give up easily and will go for the win and realize that no one's 'feelings' are going to be hurt if she takes the main chance of a Paschal boot.
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Bruddah Max 20 desperate attention whore postings
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05-12-02, 09:20 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Kathy's loaded" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-12-02 AT 09:23 PM (EST)>Kathy's loaded. If you go to
>her website at http://www.kathyobrien.com/yourstruly3.html you'll
>see that she earns quite
>a lot of money. not necessarily… >A quote from her website: "Now,
>in 2002, I am the
>#2 agent at Lang Associates,
>the #1 agency in northern
>Vermont with sales of
>$25,000,000!" Assuming she just gets
>a 1% cut of her
>sales, she'd have gotten at
>least $250,000 per year. More
>than comfortable enough to raise
>a child by herself. that $25,000,000 in sales was for Lang Associates, not for Kathy specifically. she is also not the #1 agent there. what you would have to do is find out how many total agents there are, what the distribution as a percentage of total sales Kathy's #2 agent share is, and then what her commission on sales averages. she could be making only $60,000 to $70,000 or so on average and maybe $85,000 in a good year. financially comfortable? sure. but this doesn't fall into my definition of "loaded". she'd still be someone who would benefit greatly from a $720,000 influx. then again, maybe she is indeed "loaded" as theorized. i don't think the $25,000,000 sales figure can be used to directly extrapolate Kathy's income level, though. oh well.
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simone 52 desperate attention whore postings
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05-13-02, 09:18 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: My take" |
I agree that she will stick with Paschal and Neleh. As far as I can see, she has followed her emotions - not her head - when it comes to alliances and voting. It would probably be better for her to go up against Sean or Vee in the Final Two, but I can't see her betraying Paschal or Neleh for them, simply because she thinks they are her friends. And Kathy has a pretty long track record so far of voting for people she thinks have slighted her, who happen to be the people who were in the other alliance.My take is: I don't see where the whole "Kathy is a strategic and cunning player" thing came from. What has she done? She didn't "survive" in Rotu through cunning - she would have been gone in a minute if they had lost immunity. When she got to Maraaamu, she faced two tribal councils, and both times, there were people who were more eligible for the boot than her (Sarah for being lazy and in the minority original tribe, and Gina for being in the minority). Since the merge, what has she done that was sneaky/smart? If Rob hadn't lied to her or if Zoe had been a more convincing liar, she would have signed on to be the fifth member of the Rotu Four because Zoe was her friend. She voted for Zoe because she lied to her - it was a personal slight and so she made a personal vote. She went and talked to Sean etc. because she felt betrayed by Zoe and the others. Even then, she was not in control of the formation of the alliance of five - it was the Rotu Four's arrogance and Paschal and Neleh's (really just Neleh's) realization that their asses were on the line. Since then, she's coasted with the five, not trying to get herself a "partner" like everyone else. If she were a strategic player, why didn't she recruit Robert and coax Sean and Vee to vote against Neleh? All she would have had to say is "come with me and we'll be the final four." But no, she stuck with the majority. There are so few people at this point and she is a strong enough competitor that she may get away with it, but that doesn't mean it's because she played well - IMO she's just been in the right place at the right time. This probably should go on bashers. It's just been so frustrating to watch these people, who've almost all had chances to ensure that they got into the final four, piss it away. (Hey Vee and Sean, V+S+T+R > K+P+N = a ticket into the FF) The five left are here because they got offended because somebody had the gall to form an alliance, oh my! And so the sheep formed their own, only they want to pretend they are soooo honorable and would never ever form a nasty alliance, and now one of them is going to get voted off, and they're going to be sad, and it's all their godd*amn fault, by (oh my) heck. OK, that's probably enough off that. The point of it all is, I don't think Kathy is going to be thinking smart or strategically about this. I think she's going to either vote on her own or hang around with Paschal and Neleh, and, in either case, bust her ass trying to win immunity because she thinks that's the only way to do it. I hope there was some speculation value (if speculation really has value) in all this. I'm sorry for the rant. Please forgive me - at least it's not a chart.
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steppingrazor42 283 desperate attention whore postings
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05-13-02, 12:18 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: will Kathy play to win?" |
If Kathy's going to play to win she has win the IC's to the end and take either Vee or Neleh with her to the F2. I don't think she can win against Sean or Pappy. Depending on who wins the IC this week, she should try to break up both alliances. Everyone seems pretty loyal right now, maybe Vee would be the easiest to sway. I think tribal lines will stick this week and Sean or Vee will be gone. Kathy might be too freaked about knocking out P/N, although she has to know the jury isn't loving them right now anyway.
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