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"Episode 11 Title "A Tale of Two Cities""
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"Episode 11 Title "A Tale of Two Cities"" |
The episode 12 title is "A Tale of Two Cities". Same source, Scott from EZ, as always.Now the riddle is does this title refer to: Charles Dicken's "A Tale of Two Cities" or a memory chalenge of a story about 2 cities or Two survivors from opposite backgrounds fighting it out at tribal council? If Dickens, the most famous lines from the book are: "It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I
have ever done; it is a far, far better rest
that I go to than I have ever known." This could bring in the giving up the IN to someone else--perhaps Pappy's playing with dignity line from his wife? Two cities? The line at the reward challenge between Sean and Pappy where Sean talks who would have thought a boy from Harlem and a judge from Georgia. Spoil away.
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04-30-02, 10:00 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Episode 11 Title "A Tale of Two Cities"" |
Sweetpea thanks as always for getting these so fast.I'd have to say though that the most famous line from A Tale of Two Cities is the opening: "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way." One other thought might be that with 6 survivors left we get locked into an ultimate battle and an unbreakable 3-3 tie.
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04-30-02, 10:34 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Episode 12 Title "A Tale of Two Cities"" |
Could the title be referring to the "Jeff's Lame Story" immunity challenge? I know that this challenge was earlier on in Africa (Ep 11 I think), but I think it was an Ep 12 Challenge on S1.
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04-30-02, 10:44 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: Episode 11 Title "A Tale of Two Cities"" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-30-02 AT 01:21 PM (EST)The first thing I thought of when I read this was a tie vote between Sean/Pappy. I would say for that to happen, Robert and Tammy would have to go this and week and whoever is left win immunity Episode 12. At that point we'd have S/V, N/P and Kathy. Maybe Kathy votes on her own creating a tie situation? Or possibly, there is a sacrafice of giving over Immunity? Sean/Pappy would fit the Tale of Two Cities theme but of course it can be anyone. This show gets better and better every week! **Edited to realize I can't count for beans! Thanks for pointing out I was wrong on Ep. Numbers!
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04-30-02, 11:42 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Episode 11 Title "A Tale of Two Cities"" |
The first possibility that comes to my head is the whole "Best of times, worst of times" thing. With only 5 people left some know that they'll make it to the final 4, and one person will be sent packing. Maybe this indicates a K/S/V/N/P final 5...everyone is getting along but the looming dread of voting someone off creates huge tension. But "A Tale of 2 Cities" also is set in the time of revolution....maybe another power shift will happen...or maybe that's reading too deep into the title. It is a very interesting title...I hope it's not just refering to the stupid story Jiffy tells.
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04-30-02, 12:08 PM (EST)
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9. "Gotta put my vote in" |
I think it's "Jeff's Lame Story" time. It has to happen sometime on an island rich with history. It could parallel what is happening in camp (two seperate alliance groups), but that of course is likely to happen anyway.
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04-30-02, 12:34 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Episode 11 Title "A Tale of Two Cities"" |
I did a little digging around on the internet to see if there is a historical "two cities" involving the Marquesas Islands - thought this might be the basis of the suspected "story" challenge. The best I found is that the Marquesas Islands are divided into two seperate groups - but I don't know why they would be referred to as "cities". This probably means absolutely nothing, but I thought I would post some of what I found:"Marquesas Islands , volcanic group (1996 pop. 8,064), South Pacific, a part of French Polynesia. There are 12 islands in the group, which lies c.740 mi (1,190 km) NE of Tahiti. The largest island is Nuku Hiva the seat of the capital, Taiohae; the second largest, Hiva Oa is the site of Atuona, the former capital. The Marquesas, famous for their rugged beauty, are fertile and mountainous, rising to 3.904 ft (1,190 m) on Hiva Oa. Taiohae Bay, on Nuka Hiva, and the Bay of Traitors, on Hiva Oa, are the major harbors. The islands are divided into two groups. The southern cluster (sometimes called the Mendaña Islands), including Fatu Huku, Hiva Oa, Tahuata, Mohotani, and Fatu Hiva, was discovered in 1595 by the Spanish navigator Alvaro de Mendaña de Neira; the northern group (sometimes called the Washington Islands), including Hatutu, Eiao, Motu Iti, Nuku Hiva, Ua Huku, Ua Pou, and Motu One, was discovered in 1791 by the American navigator Captain Joseph Ingraham. In 1813, Commodore David Porter claimed Nuku Hiva for the United States, naming it Madison Island, but the U.S. Congress never ratified the claim. France took possession of the islands in 1842 and established a settlement on Nuku Hiva, which was abandoned in 1859. In 1870 the French administration over the Marquesas was reinstated. Of all the Polynesian peoples, the Marquesans suffered the greatest decline from the spread of European diseases; in the 1850s they numbered some 20,000, about three times the present population. The islands are the setting for Herman Melville's novel Typee." There is a ton more info there, some info regarding tribal rituals (which may be used in the challenge, when and if it ever occurs).If you want more info here is the website: http://www.tribalsite.com/articles/marque.htm
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05-01-02, 07:01 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: Episode 12 Title "A Tale of Two Cities"" |
>"Marquesas Islands, volcanic group (1996 pop. 8,064), South
>Pacific, a part of French Polynesia. There are 12 islands
>in the group, which lies c.740 mi (1,190 km) NE of Tahiti.
>The largest island is Nuku Hiva the seat of the capital,
>Taiohae; the second largest, Hiva Oa is the site of Atuona,
>the former capital. Actually that might be your answer right there, MI... you've just mentioned two cities -- one a former capital (Atuona) and one a current capital (Taiohae). This might be interesting because there are a number of place names that could be easily confused in that they sound somewhat alike (i.e. Nuka Hiva, Fatu Huku, Hiva Oa, Fatu Hiva) -- this would place quite a premium on being able to listen carefully to Jiffy's story and comprehend the information fully. If Tammy is still alive in the game at this point, don't you think she'd be heavily favoured to blow away the opposition and get the Immunity Necklace here?   GO HABS! 
"I'm the General and that's that."
Robert DeCanio, April 11/02
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04-30-02, 12:42 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Episode 12 Title "A Tale of Two Cities"" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-30-02 AT 12:43 PM (EST)I'm leaning toward the "best of times, worst of times" for the Happy 5. E10 previews focus on the reward challenge. E11's title, "Marquesan Vacation", again suggests a look at the RC. Why? Because there's nothing interesting in the immunity side of things for the next two weeks, because the expected pagonging will occur. John made a comment about his booting being the beginning of "our" demise, suggesting a pagonging. In previews for the past two episodes, we've been hearing strong adjectives to describe the episodes -- "shocking", "unpredictable". In both cases, they lived up to the hype. It was a shock to see the power shift so dramatically, and the fact that every spoiler site missed last week's bootee means it lived up to the unpredictable hype. There's no abnormal hype this week, no magic adjectives. I think that's because this week isn't shocking, isn't unpredictable. I've read speculation on other boards of a Pappy boot this time, but I have a feeling MB would be pulling out his bag of adjectives if something like that were going to take place...especially the first week of sweeps. So that leads me to believe that the next two weeks will be pagonging as usual, then we get to the Tale of 2 Cities(factions) dealing with the best of times, worst of times as they play the endgame. edited because stoopid is indeed written across my forehead   fluent in Sarcastic, Blahblah, and Mockery
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04-30-02, 03:26 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Episode 12 Title "A Tale of Two Cities"" |
It could be that EPM is getting literary on us. Aside from the quotes from the Dicken's book, the storyline of Tale of Two Cities is very interesting when compared to our season of survivor.In the book, which is set against the backdrop of the French revolution, of the two main characters (male), one is seen as a moral man (an aristocrat), and the other, a degenerate (a lawyer). They both love the same woman. At the end of the book, the degenerate redeems himself by literally sacrificing his life to save the moral man by going to the guillotine in his stead. Perhaps we will see something akin to this, where there are two "camps," and one person gives up immunity to save a member of the other camp. The two players I could see most likely to fit this scenario would be Paschal and Sean; Paschal has been played up as the moral one, and Sean the slacker. Now that they have bonded, perhaps Sean decides to give up immunity to save Pappy, and gets the whack instead. I can't really conceive of a scenario where this would seem applicable, but with the OVERT reference to a book with a storyline where one character sacrifices his life for another, I have to think there is going to be something like that going on--what with the transferrable immunity rule and all.
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05-01-02, 10:34 AM (EST)
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19. "RE: Episode 12 Title "A Tale of Two Cities"" |
>It could be that EPM is
>getting literary on us. Have we ever seen MB take this much out of a story before? I cannot really remember a time. However it is a good theory. I would like to expand on it a little bit.
>>In the book, which is set
>against the backdrop of the
>French revolution, of the two
>main characters (male), one is
>seen as a moral man
>(an aristocrat), and the other,
>a degenerate (a lawyer). I agree that Sean (degenerate) and Pappy (moral man) fit the bill here.
>They both love the same
>woman.
At episode 12 it has already been stated that there will be 5 left.
I personally think this will be N/P/S/V/K. Who would be the woman they would be fighting over- Kathy.
They would both LOVE to have her on their side. An alternate would be Vee if Kathy was voted off due to the budding relationship between Pappy and Sean. This would fit better with a Sean or Paschal sacrifice. I do not really think this scenario to be as believable though. At the end
>of the book, the degenerate
>redeems himself by literally sacrificing
>his life to save the
>moral man by going to
>the guillotine in his stead.
> I do not think that if MB is taking this literally that Paschal fits the bill here. It must be Sean.
However, Sean does not have a sacrificial bone in him. He wants to win. He has fought hard to get this far.
>can't really conceive of a
>scenario where this would seem
>applicable, but with the OVERT
>reference to a book with
>a storyline where one character
>sacrifices his life for another,
>I have to think there
>is going to be something
>like that going on--what with
>the transferrable immunity rule and
>all. I agree. This does not fit with Sean's persona. Yet, most of the story would seem to fit. Maybe somebody else could make sense of it. IC is also a good fit for the title. I believe it is refering to the story challenge also.
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04-30-02, 04:14 PM (EST)
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15. "Will this be S4's sacrifice episode?" |
In each of the prior versions of Survivor, there has been a moment where the runner-up hands makes a choice that saves the million dollar winner. The most obvious is that the runner-up won the final IC, and the person they chose to go to the finals ended up winning.S1 also had Kelly switching her vote in the Final 4, thus saving Richard. Possible scenarios:
- Transferable immunity - Someone's head is saved from the chopping block when the IC winner transfers the necklace.
- The swing vote - There's a 3-2 vote, and the person who gets only 2 votes ends up winning, with the swing person as runner up. fluent in Sarcastic, Blahblah, and Mockery
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04-30-02, 04:31 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Episode 11 Title "A Tale of Two Cities"" |
For what it's worth...My first thought was the "Jeff's Lame Story" challenge as has been already mentioned. My next thought was that Tammy and Robert have been pagonged, and it is The Best of Times (The Rotu-4 is is gone, we finally beat them), and it is The Worst of Times (Now we have to vote off one of us). D
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05-01-02, 04:22 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Episode 11 Title "A Tale of Two Cities"" |
At this link, TDT discusses possible reasons for the title, many of which are discussed in this thresd. I like the idea of Kathy having to choose which of the two pairs to go with.The thing that most impressed me was the idea that for most of this to work, Tammy and Robert are very likely booted already. 
"Pappy, you smuggled! I'm so proud of you!" -- Neleh Dennis*** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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05-04-02, 03:00 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Episode 11 Title "A Tale of Two Cities"" |
The reason I'm bumping this is because the episode is coming up and as others have stated it identifies the next boot. With Robert getting the boot this week that would leave S/V and K/P/N. The remaining groups have both been switched from two tribes(cities). The chanllenge would be a memory game involving both camp sites. K/P/N would have the greater advantage because they were at Maraamu camp more resently than S/V. Plus it helped that they actually explored the area. Any thoughts on this?
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23. "RE: Episode 12 Title "A Tale of Two Cities"" |
I think that this Ep. is both about the rivalry between the two separate factions of P/N and S/V, with Kathy as the all-powerful swing vote, who deicides which "city" prevails.I also think that the Dickens' novel comes in to play as well--who would have thunk that MB reads Dickens?--with Paschal.
Even though it is the See-BS misdirection for Ep. 11, which has Paschal saying something to the effect of having to face himself; I feel that it is this episode where Neleh actually becomes a target. This is also, where the new-fangled rule about the transferrable immunity comes into play; Pashal probably wins immunity, and Neleh becomes the potential boot. Being someone who his wife said, "played the game with dignity;" he transfers the IN, because as in R/E in s2, Paschal (Rodger) feels that Neleh (Lis) needs the money more than him.
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05-09-02, 09:45 PM (EST)
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25. "Now It's Obvious" |
Real obvious...as others have been speculating....Kathy must decide between the 2 alliances. Also, considering Burnit's liking to have his titles mean 2 things, also probably means IC is Jeffy's storytime.
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05-11-02, 02:28 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: Episode 11 Title "A Tale of Two Cities"" |
The Two Cities are Neleh/Paschal-ville and Sean/Vee-klohoma. Kathy is the tourist {or real estate agent) that has to choose to either live in (side with) Neleh/Paschal-ville or Sean/Vee-klohoma.
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