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"Neleh as Strategizer"
MattyMax 515 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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04-26-02, 05:28 AM (EST)
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"Neleh as Strategizer" |
This week, I think we saw Neleh as an incredible strategizer. She appeared to have controlled the vote for Zoe, who many on the boards thought was floating in the background. Zoe, 1. serious immunity threat (the abs on that woman....) 2. PARTNER FOR KATHY!!! Neleh had the voiceover that they might vote of Zoe because she is an immunity threat, which many of us weren't even considering. I think this shows Neleh's position of leader in the alliance of losers/floaters. She makes the decisions. She knew that while Rob was unpleasant, it's better to get rid of your threats. I was suprised by the level of her technique. It was advanced Survivor reasoning. keep your friends close, your enemies closer, and those nasty swing voters in the Jury. Was anybody else really suprised by her reasoning? and how smart it was? It's suprising to be OUTsmarted by a survivor, thinking you know the boot order, and then Neleh making very prudent decisions about how the game should continue. I think we see Neleh as the leader of the 5, and I see her as a definite final 4 person. It's nice to see America's sweetheart not struggling against a nasty alliance (as we have seen with Colleen, LisLis, and Ki... nevermind on that last one) A cutie with some brains, and she does have a RUTHLESS quality that we haven't seen in the younger female players as much. She's been smiling on the past couple of votes and decorating her ballot, she kissed Zoe away, and her smile when she dropped her John ballot was frightening. I guess in this thread I would like to hear people's opinions of Neleh, especially as pertains to her strategizing (we all know she's 'cute' <if not a little bug eyed>). MattyMax
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craftylady 1 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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04-26-02, 10:15 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Neleh as Strategizer" |
Talk about your huge leaps! They choose to use Neleh's comments to use as the voice over....and the next thing you know, she's running the tribe? I don't think so. With the exception of last week when going out 5th or 6th was not acceptable and she went against John and his alliance, she is definitely a follower. And who is she following?? I don't think there is much of a mystery on who's the main strategizer. Sean is pulling the strings. And Vee is no slouch. She definitely has the art of playing both sides down to a science. In the recap show, Vee's pleading apology to Sean made it clear that Sean is the leader. I have no doubt that Sean led the discussion that the next bootee was going to be Zoe. Sean likes Robert more, and Zoe is too strong.
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performanz 46 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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04-26-02, 11:09 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Neleh as Strategizer" |
I also disagree. If anything I think it showed that Neleh is not the leader of the 5. My guess is that Kathy or Paschal or both are the ones calling the shots. Zoe committed the survivor cardinal sin, trying to play both sides of the fence without telling someone you are doing it. I expect both Kathy and Paschal, who seem to want the game to be played straight up, would rather keep someone who tells the truth like Robert than an obvious fake like Zoe was. I do not believe Zoe was booted because she was a threat. She was ultimately booted because nobody could believe anything she said or did.
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ConningOfficer 585 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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04-26-02, 01:06 PM (EST)
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6. "Neleh/Pappy" |
Sami, you're right on the money with this one. Neleh makes a great narrator, since she's so sugary-sweet, and while not the most iron-fisted of the remaining contestants, she does have a head for the game.Determining who the "leader" of the alliance of 5 is a little tougher, but during the discussion (desperation attempt) with Tammy and Robert, Paschal really impressed me. Unlike many contestants, Paschal drew on his experience of BS-detection (as a judge) and telling people the truth, even when that's not what they want to hear (i.e. Pappy disagreeing with Tattoo Bob straightforwardly, respectfully, yet immediately). This combination of low-key and honest leadership will be a key factor when the alliance of 5 has to turn on themselves. Barring a General Admission/Tammy-Xena immunity run, this dynamic may be featured in the final 2.
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Spidey 6259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-26-02, 01:33 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Neleh as Strategizer" |
>Most likely, it will really be >Kathy that has the "power" >because I believe she will >have to decide which "pair" >to align with. I >think she will stick with >N/P, but there are good >arguments for S/V. I totally agree that Kathy is the swing vote at 5, assuming the obvious that T and R go next, barring immunity. But I totally disagree she will side with N/P. Although she might have a final 2 chance against Pappy, NO WAY could she win against Neleh in the final. Both played strategically, and Neleh is just much more likeable. Kathy would be an idiot not to go F3 with S/V. She is likely to beat either one of them in the F2. I just don't think she is dumb enough to go with N/P, unless she is somehow related to Colby...
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JohnMc 2679 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson"
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04-26-02, 01:14 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Neleh as Strategizer" |
Ok, Neleh may be the strategizer, but exactly who is the "leader" is much in question. From day 1, Rotu has had leadership from more than one source. Mostly it was John and Kathy, but there were also elements from Gabe and Tammy. Even though there have been multiple leaders, the tribe pretty much led itself in terms of survival, and they never really had to designate a "leader" until they booted Gabe and John was the orchestrator of the boot-Gabe club. Maraamuu's leader was Hunter until he was booted, and then we had the swap, and Kathy took over. At the merge, we came back to having multiple leaders. John and Tammy on Rotu, plus Rob and Sean tried to gain some element of control. Plus with Kathy coming back, there were lots of people vying for control. Control seemed to fall in a number of places, including the 17th player - EPM (or as I like to call, EBM). As far as the Moomoo 5 are concerned, P/N are the big power players because: 1) They are both VERY well liked and 2) Everyone knows they are tight. Kathy (as the New Moomoo leader) and Sean (now the leader of Old Moomoo) came together to try to get the Power Two on their side. Almost failed were it not for EBM, but when they saw what their options were, they ultimately controlled their outcome. Tammy and Robert, like everyone else out on the island, recognized P/N's power and tried to get them to sway in order to save their own hides, which of course was seen through. Soooo... in Moomoo 5, we really have 4 leaders: Sean, Kathy, Neleh, and Paschal. All 4 have power in the tribe and in my mind, it is shared.
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Lurking 156 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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04-29-02, 04:29 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: I do not get Neleh (and Paschal)" |
It's part of the game but N/P don't want to get involved in it.
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zzz 703 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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04-26-02, 02:49 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: I do not get Neleh (and Pashal)" |
Me too, Me Too. That is to say, I basically agree with you. A lot of people are talking about what hypocrites N and P are. While I agree that to some extent they seem hypocritical, there is a meaningful distinction. I believe they are hypocrites because they keep talking about keeping it "fair" for everyone, while they obviously have no intention of allowing R or T to have a chance in the game any more, and they are pretty sure to have the votes to get them out.But they are not hypocrites in this sense--what bothered them the most was the lying and using. John led them to believe they were equal alliance member when they were clearly at the bottom of the alliance. Even Lex let Kelly and KimJ know they were at the bottom of the alliance. N and P have not made any promises to anyone that they are not willing to keep. They believe, however, that John did make a promise (i.e., that there were no suballiances in the "alliance") that he did not intend to keep. Of course, John had to make this up to win. He just needed to do a better job of hiding it. The bottom line is that N and P had to switch alliances to have a chance to win. I just wish they would admit that fact in a straight forward way. They are not necessarily any "better" or "more deserving" than John and his alliance. They just outwitted them. But I do believe them that they have not made any pre-determined deal for who goes once their 5 person alliance is down to just the five of them. To that extent, their alliance is "more pure" than John's alliance.
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Fast Eddie 625 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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04-26-02, 02:28 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Neleh as Strategizer" |
No-lay as strategizer? You must be kidding. I think she proved her complete lack of such ability with the opening comment about how they had beaten the alliance at their own game and seemed really delighted. The Gufu 4 made their plans so obvious even Amber could have seen what was going on and what had to be done. Yet No-lay seemed to think she had made some kind of brilliant discovery. Duhhh.
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BMH 845 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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04-26-02, 05:45 PM (EST)
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15. "Vee" |
Personally..I believe Vee has more power than people here give her credit for..She may not be the leader of the 5 person alliance but i believe that she has a good chance of winning this game..against almost anybody but Neleh and Paschal..She does play both sides and that is a good quality because if Robert or Tammy go on the jury i beleive they would vote for her over K/P/N..possibly..just some thoughtz..bc i feel many people are under-rating Vee as a potential survivor 4 finalist
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MikeD 344 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host"
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04-29-02, 08:47 PM (EST)
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21. "Not a Strategizer...." |
I just think she's not stupid. The writing was on the wall that Z/J/T/R were together and they prevented those folks from winning. I'll be surprised if she makes the final two.
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