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"Some new theories"
There are two very interesting new theories out there. They can be found at this TDT link. One is that jury members serve as tiebreakers for tie votes(!), and the other concerns the possibility that Neleh takes the walk of shame.

TDT has normally had some good stuff, and I'd like to hear y'all's opinions of it.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Some new theories George Tirebiter 04-24-02 1
   RE: Some new theories aymelek 04-24-02 3
       RE: Some new theories DVK 04-24-02 9
   RE: Some new theories DarkLotus 04-24-02 5
       RE: Some new theories JeffGator 04-24-02 8
           RE: Some new theories Blueville 04-24-02 15
 RE: Some new theories starshyn99 04-24-02 2
   RE: Some new theories MeToo 04-24-02 14
 RE: Some new theories JeffGator 04-24-02 4
   RE: Some new theories Gap 04-24-02 6
       RE: Some new theories cowboyroo 04-24-02 7
       RE: Some new theories DVK 04-24-02 11
           RE: Some new theories Gap 04-24-02 12
               RE: Some new theories DVK 04-24-02 13
 Addendum George Tirebiter 04-24-02 10
   RE: Addendum dabo 04-24-02 16
   RE: Addendum snoocharoo 04-24-02 17
   Addendum heresy 04-24-02 19
 RE: Some new theories In The Woods 04-24-02 18
   RE: Some new theories weltek 04-24-02 20
 RE: Some new theories Kokoro 04-24-02 21

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George Tirebiter 2982 desperate attention whore postings
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04-24-02, 10:54 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Some new theories"
I saw this yesterday, and was curious to know where they got this "word on the street" that Gabe and Neleh were the two who got the matching tattoos with John. They say if true, this could mean he spent lots of time bonding with them, yet Gabe isn't ON the jury. . . Gabe in LA (where they got the tattoos) makes sense, but NELEH? Seems an odd rumor to me, and I haven't seen it elsewhere, except where TDT is given as the source.

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04-24-02, 11:28 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: Some new theories"
>I saw this yesterday, and was
>curious to know where they
>got this "word on the
>street" that Gabe and Neleh
>were the two who got
>the matching tattoos with John.
>They say if true, this
>could mean he spent lots
>of time bonding with them,
>yet Gabe isn't ON the
>jury. . . Gabe in
>LA (where they got the
>tattoos) makes sense, but NELEH?
>Seems an odd rumor to
>me, and I haven't seen
>it elsewhere, except where TDT
>is given as the source.

Anyone know how devout a Mormon Neleh is? One of my classmates is a Mormon from Utah & said that a devout Mormon would NEVER get a tattoo & disfigure her body like that. But that's also her opinion.


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04-24-02, 12:00 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Some new theories"
I'm a Mormon from Layton Utah although I don't know Neleh. If she took her scriptures as her personal item then she is probably devout. Tattoos are not forbiden in our faith but they are frowned on. We are taught that we should have more respect for our bodies than that. Others interpret that differently. I doubt that Neleh got a tattoo but I don't know that she didn't. My wife has 3 and she is Mormon to.

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04-24-02, 11:33 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: Some new theories"
Are Mormons permitted to get tattoos? If so, that blows that out of the water, at least as far as Neleh is concerned.

And didn't someone post a vidcap of Gina on the Stern show which showed her in a bikini and sporting a new tattoo?

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04-24-02, 11:44 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Some new theories"
>Are Mormons permitted to get tattoos?
> If so, that blows
>that out of the water,
>at least as far as
>Neleh is concerned.

--Mormons are definitely discouraged not to get tattoos. I'm not sure if they're totally not allowed to, but consider this--I'm Jewish and it's totally against my religion to get a tattoo (You're not allowed to be buried in a Jewish cemetery if you have them). However, I have several Jewish friends who have tattoos (although they plan on getting them removed before they die). I think it's kind of a stupid rule since it's not really hurting anyone, but I still would never get one for various reasons. Anyway, maybe Neleh is not as super religious as we all thought. I have a friend who says she is Mormon, and she really isn't all that religious. The question really is, Is Neleh as religious as we all thought?

>And didn't someone post a vidcap
>of Gina on the Stern
>show which showed her in
>a bikini and sporting a
>new tattoo?

--Whoever did that we should definitely applaud. LOL, that was me. I did it to show how hot Gina was, not to show any spoilers

Ok, give me a minute to recooperate after looking at the pics. Whew I'm done. Anyway, she definitely did not have this tattoo while she was on Survivor because we would have noticed it while she wore her black bikini. So she definitely got it after. Although it does not look like a Turtle like John's but maybe it's a different Marquesian symbol.

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04-24-02, 02:09 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Some new theories"
>Although
>it does not look like
>a Turtle like John's but
>maybe it's a different Marquesian
>symbol.

She said on Howard's show that it is a killer whale.

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04-24-02, 11:19 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Some new theories"
From this site, I really like the threroy that the jury is the one to break a tie. This goes back to something that John said on an interview earlier that he may be gone but he is not done yet. Implies that he effects the game in the future.

For there be a tie, our teams of two would have to do a little reshuffling. We can assume that the following pairs would vote the same:
Tammy and Robert
Neleh and Paschal
Sean and Vee
Kathy and Zoe (unsure of this one as of now)

We can also assume that from the previews, Tammy and Zoe would not vote together and from previous episodes, Paschal is NOT happy about voting with Sean. This leads me to:

Tammy, Robert, Neleh and Paschal voting together
and Sean, Vee, Kathy and Zoe voting togehter

Who would thier targets be?

I think T R N & P would taget Sean
and S V K & Z either Tammy or Robert (depending on immunity)

I think John would definatly choose to have Sean take the walk of shame in this scenerio.

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04-24-02, 01:00 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Some new theories"

>We can assume that the
>following pairs would vote the
>same:
>Tammy and Robert
>Neleh and Paschal
>Sean and Vee
>Kathy and Zoe (unsure of this
>one as of now)
>


What about T&R with S&V against N&P with K&Z. This has been discussed somewhere, but this would pit Sean against Zoe. If the jury got to pick, it would seem obvious at first that he would pick Sean. However, what if during Jiffy's questioning it becomes apparent that Tammy hates Zoe and/or Sean is part of T&R's alliance of the week. Would John vote according to what may help his former alliance, or would he just get Sean back?

Just throwing this out - I'm sure I'm way off base as usual.

MeToo

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04-24-02, 11:31 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Some new theories"
Hey Dawg, thanks for bringing this up. I'm late for class and don't have time to read the one about Neleh, but I do know a little bit about the jury members serving as tiebreakers theory. I think that's an awesome idea, the only reason I don't think MB might do it is because it might reveal who everyone on the jury is rooting for, and who they would vote for to win in the final 2. I think he would want it to remain a mystery until the last episode. On the other hand, I guess just because they pick someone to be voted off doesn't mean that they're rooting for the other person to win, it just may mean that they like them better, so I guess it doesn't necessarily give that much away. And there probably isn't going to be more than one tie anyway. Hmm... I guess I could see it happening, although i really think MB likes to keep the jury quiet until the last episode. HOwever, John did say "keep watching, I'm not done yet." That sounds like he does have involvement with the game before the last episode. Whether or not they actually do this in case of a tie, I think they should use it in the future, it's a cool new way and further reason that you shouldn't piss anyone off who you voted for because they will get their revenge either if you're in the final 2 or if you're tied with someone.

P.S.Dawg, How did you get over 1,100 posts? I swear just the other day we weren't far apart! Maybe I was imagining things

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04-24-02, 11:35 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: Some new theories"
I am Mormon, and I can affirm that tattoos are EXTREME taboos in the church. I seriously doubt that Neleh is the one who got one, unless it was a temporary tattoo.
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04-24-02, 11:40 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: Some new theories"
Wouldn't Robert be an obvious choice to have gotten one of the Survivor tattoos? He's already covered in them and its against Neleh's religion quite strongly. Would seem to make much more sense..
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04-24-02, 12:09 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Some new theories"
Gap:
EXTREME TABOO!!! I'm mormon and I've never been asked if I have one, told not to get one, or told to treat someone differant that has one. In sunday school we were taught to treat our bodies with respect, the whole alcohol, tobacco and drugs thing. That would include disfiguring the body but it isn't a question the bishop asks for a temple recommend. (Neleh no tatoo, sorry I couldn't help commenting.)

DVK


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04-24-02, 12:30 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Some new theories"
DVK, not to get into preach mode, but current church literature is rife with anti-tattoo advice, and has been since the seventies. The only tattoos that are considered acceptable are those of Pacific Islanders, as it is a part of their cultural heritage. But even that while it is accepted is discouraged.
Here are three of the most recent:
1. Gordon B. Hinckley (2000) (current pres. of the church):
Fathers, caution your sons against having their bodies tattooed. They may resist your talk now, but the time will come when they will thank you. A tattoo is graffiti on the temple of the body.
2. and in a Relief Society meeting, he repeated the same thing to mothers: Teach them to respect their bodies. The practice is growing among young people of tattooing and piercing their bodies. The time will come when they will regret it, but it will then be too late. The scriptures unequivocally declare:
3. Message to Young Men from the Presiding Bishopric (2000):
Be clean. Youth are to avoid pornography, taking the name of God in vain, illicit drugs, destructive entertainment, tattoos, body piercing (other than piercing of the ears by women for one pair of earrings), early dating, and every kind of sexual transgression. Youth should choose friends who will be a positive influence on them.
There are countless more that I won't bore you with. I am sure Neleh would have encountered the message and I would be shocked if she got a tattoo. Not to mention that it wouldn't make sense in the context of the game because she is not friends with John now. The most likely ones to get a tattoo with him are his only two allies left--Tammy and Robert.
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04-24-02, 12:50 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Some new theories"
Gap: Thank you, I wasn't disagreeing with you it was the "extreme" part that I was questioning. I know I have been counseled not to get one but my membership or fellowship was not in question.

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04-24-02, 12:09 PM (EST)
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10. "Addendum"
LAST EDITED ON 04-24-02 AT 09:44 PM (EST)

Just found a message in my inbox from someone who's registered but can't seem to post, so will pass on what they told me. . .

Lives in Vegas, heard John on the radio this morning (I don't know the station, and haven't had a chance to look for it online yet)--and he stated that of all the contestants, he, Gabe, and Neleh are probably the closest. So. . . this may well be a teaser as to the identity of the tattoo crew. I'm sure John thinks he's clever enough that he can still "play the game" via the media.

For an interesting slant on the whole Mormon thing, go find the original (sorry, LENGTHY) post OFG did pre-show on Bashers about astrology. heresy went into some detail about how unmarried girls are not DISCOURAGED from certain behaviors that they would be more emphatically looked down on for, once married. (I had asked about Neleh's dress, awful streak job, etc.) If she's been working a makeup counter, follows silly fashion trends, it's not inconceivable that she might go so far as to get a tattoo--especially if she fell into the Survivor ho' trap of believing that "America's Sweethheart" BS and thinking she has an acting career in her future, instead of settling down to churn out another batch of Mormon kiddies with someone Pappy's age. . .

GT

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Edited to add the link for the radio station: http://www.mix941.fm/mark_mercedes.shtml
Mark & Mercedes in the Morning show. So far, there is nothing to indicate John was on the show, but they DO list recent guests Tom Buchanan, Ethan Zohn, and Lex the WonderGUT, so it seems to be a popular stop on the media wagon.

Chellevivor, you need to figure out your posting problems and get credit for your own scoops! (Webby, she's getting "administrative error" messages when she tries to post, but she was able to use the internal SB message system. . . ??)

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16. "RE: Addendum"
>I'm sure John
>thinks he's clever enough that
>he can still "play the
>game" via the media.
I agree.
>
>heresy went into
>some detail about how unmarried
>girls are not DISCOURAGED from
>certain behaviors that they would
>be more emphatically looked down
>on for, once married. (I
>had asked about Neleh's dress,
>awful streak job, etc.) If
>she's been working a makeup
>counter, follows silly fashion trends,
>it's not inconceivable that she
>might go so far as
>to get a tattoo--especially if
>she fell into the Survivor
>ho' trap of believing that
>"America's Sweethheart" BS

LOL. I think that Neleh is certainly adventurous enough to get a tattoo even if it is frowned upon within the Mormon faith; the fact alone that she showed up for Survivor indicates that she is willing to consider doing anything which isn't prohibited.

As for the thing about the jury deciding how to break ties, I'll believe it when I see it. MB said that the previous votes deadlock breaker rule was out and that there would be consequences in the event of a tie, Sarah said they were told that ties wouldn't count. My own theory is that they will use the trivia challenge but with the twist being that it's not just the ones who were caught in the tie who have to play, everyone has to play (except perhaps whoever has individual immunity).

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17. "RE: Addendum"
Thanks Georgie for your refreshing perspective. I was thinking the EXACT same thing. Being a DAW (as all Survivors are) has a way of compromising a person's convictions. Plus people change, especially someone as young as Neleh. Maybe in addition to her wake up call about the Rotu4 she she got a r/t wake up call.
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19. "Addendum"
In general, the statement I made is true. However, a permanent tattoo would still be considered outside the boundaries of normal behavior. Remember that hair color and clothing are temporary, not a permanent change to the body.

Having a tattoo does not prevent a member from going to the temple. I do not think an active Mormon would be disfellowshipped due to getting a tattoo without good reason (my father got permission from his bishop to get tattoos to cover up certain areas of the dancing girl he had tattoed on his arm while serving in Korea ). They definitely would not get excommunicated.

The taboo is very strong. I disassociated myself from the church over 20 years ago, and still have a hard time considering whether to get a tattoo -- even though my current religious beliefs allow and somewhat encourage it. After my father converted, he never wore a short sleeve shirt due to the tattoos on his arms.

Since she was also born and raised in small-town Utah, I'd be surprised if she got the tattoo.

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18. "RE: Some new theories"
First of all, excellent find Dawg. I guess I have a hard time believing that Neleh is the second of the tattoo people, but stranger things have happened. What I don't find hard to believe is her getting tossed. If she does go on the RC, one thing that appears to happend is you get talked about. It gives others a chance to bond, meaning S/V/R/T, and for whatever reason, decide to vote her off. People are also specualting that this one comes down to a tie, and nobody knows what the tiebreaker is. (Here comes the totally wrong part of this post) I read somewhere that there would be consequenses if a tie came up. Could this be that these two people would also get immunity? The first time, you wouldn't have a backup plan, which means you have no clue who the people you voted with are going to vote for now?
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20. "RE: Some new theories"
" I read somewhere that there would be consequenses if a tie came up. Could this be that these two people would also get immunity? The first time, you wouldn't have a backup plan, which means you have no clue who the people you voted with are going to vote for now? "

Nice idea, but unlikely. The new rule would have been set in place prior to S4 starting, so if there was an early tie (as has happened in the past), the Survivors would find out what the new rules were. That would allow them to have a "backup" strategy in place in all the next TC's, therefore ruining the "catch them off guard" element of your plan.

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21. "RE: Some new theories"
The "Word on the Street" seems to be coming from the SSEZboards (Yes I read them - they actually have a handful of people with readable IQs over there ;)

This is the first place I've seen these theories - they should be easy to find with the 200 sheep replying (oh yeah, that's gotta be it! on every "spoiler" post)

I think it really depends on how much confidence you have in the EZboards.

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