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Sick of me yet? Supes should be back to bring you the vote thread next week, so you'll just have to bear with me once more and the alternating system will be back in place.THE RULES 1. Please put the name of your choice for this week's bootee IN THE SUBJECT HEADING! Simply replace the section of your post that reads, "Re:SurvivorBlows Tribe, It's Time to Vote!" with your pick. Maybe we should be clearer. Put the name. Cutesy titles that don't make the name obvious make tallying the votes a pain in the ass. Violators last week: managerr and *gasp* Lisapooh. 2. Reply ONLY to this post! Do not reply to the last post on this thread. Do not reply to any other post on this thread. After reading these rules on THIS post click on the "reply" button in the bottom right of THIS POST ONLY. 3. THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION THREAD! DO NOT TREAT IT AS SUCH! When you make your post, feel free to give your reasoning and your theories in the message portion. BUT, for further discussion of said theories, take it outside. THE STRONGLY WORDED SUGGESTIONS 1. If you read the summary and didn't get a chance to thank the writer, now would be a great time to do so. This week's summary writer was HawkEye. Nothing escapes the eye of the Hawk. Woo! 2. Taunt previous violators of the rules at will upon their first violation. Once again, that'd be managerr and Lisapooh. Okay, that's it. Have fun! 
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PepeLePew13 26134 desperate attention whore postings
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04-17-02, 00:55 AM (EST)
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1. "Sean!" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-17-02 AT 08:07 AM (EST)Just wanted to be first... I'm feeling somewhat leery of all the misdirection going on out there and somehow I feel that MB is planting information that suggests that Sean goes further. Sean going further in the game and meeting his parent(s) after a RC? I don't think so. Tammy's got the IC dogcollar this week and they'll pick off someone who's a thorn in their side (especially John's) in Sean before picking off some of their own. Alternate: Kathy.  
"I'm the General and that's that."
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04-17-02, 00:57 AM (EST)
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2. "Zoe" |
I am going to go out on a limb here, and say that Zoe is getting booted this week. She now has a CBS eyemail and is being looked upon as a lier by her friend Kathy. Could she be the first one voted out of the J/R/T/Z alliance???My alternate vote will go to Sean Great summary Hawk, and BOO THE VIOLATORS. Oh yeah, and I have one last thing to say: Hulkamania is STILL runnin' WILD!!!!
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04-17-02, 01:44 AM (EST)
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3. "Kathy" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-17-02 AT 01:46 AM (EST)I think now that Rob is gone, John will pull Sean and Vecepia in to get rid of New Mu. I think Zoe will continue to lie to Kathy, and Neleh's complaint may distract us from the actual bootee. Kathy's vote for Zoe will probably keep the Rotu4 from trusting her, and I won't be surprised if she votes for Zoe again. Not to mention, Kathy was the prime Rotu target from Day 1, and now that she's won an immunity, she's also a physical threat.
If Tammy does win immunity, I can see her giving it to John or Vecepia, that is, if she gives it away at all.
Not to mention approximately 34 face-time confessionals, which is like almost 11 more than John, in second place. Edited to correct a painfully bad reference faux-pas, and get my approximate numbers right.
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04-17-02, 05:43 AM (EST)
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7. "Sean" |
No spoiling knowledge for this, but for the Love of God, get this guy off the Island !!!!
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04-17-02, 06:31 AM (EST)
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8. "Paschal" |
This is a really tough call this week.The JRTZ alliance is still holding up. It seems like Sean will side with whoever will keep him from having to think or work. Sister Vecepia, the Virgin of Marquesas, is also aligning herself with the perceived power brokers. After last week's scene with Zoe, Kathy and Rob and the tease for this week's show with Zoe and Kathy having a heart-to-heart, I think Zoe will get tired of the vibe and might put a hit out on Kathy among her alliance-mates. Paschal allows his loyalty to Neleh to keep him from playing the game and Neleh is only just now figuring out that her days are probably numbered. Neither of them cares one way or the other about Kathy now, so she's a woman without an island. This episode is called "Two Peas In A Pod." It's been shown in vidcaps that Tammy wins the IC. Prior to that, I think John wins the RC. He'll take Tammy with him on the underwater adventure to forge a new alliance -- they're the two peas. If I was immune like Tammy, I'd form a secret alliance with John. Then, I'd convince the rest of the JTRZ alliance that we should go after Paschal just to break up that voting block and to upset Neleh's confidence. That'd leave Vecepia, Sean, Kathy and Neleh all operating mostly as free agents. They'd all be prime pickins then to add to the JTRZ alliance to get rid of whoever's left over. Personally, after lopping of the head of Judge Paschal, I'd have Zoe pressure Neleh into joining the group. It's be fun to screw with her head and she's no competition when it comes to challenges.
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04-17-02, 07:19 AM (EST)
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9. "Sean" |
After all these weeks of idiotic decisions, I think that the morons are LOOOONG overdue to do something right. Anyone but Sean would be a major mistake, and V is next in line.
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04-17-02, 07:54 AM (EST)
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10. "Sean" |
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04-17-02, 08:41 AM (EST)
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12. "Sean" |
*shrugs* why not?
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04-17-02, 08:47 AM (EST)
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13. "John" |
I think Tammy and Zoe and getting a little tired of John's assertion that "he" is in charge. Both Tammy and Zoe are very strong women that have lives in which they are in charge. They are not going to like having someone tell them what to do. I think that Zoe and Kathy will make a pact to vote John off. They both know that Sean, Paschal, and Neleh will vote for John. Potentially Kathy and Zoe make a foursome with Tammy and Vee.
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04-17-02, 08:49 AM (EST)
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14. "Sean" |
Not much to go on, so I am going with the obvious. Why would they keep that jerk around any longer than they have to?
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04-17-02, 09:01 AM (EST)
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15. "Sean" |
We don't have a lot to go on this week...CBS EyeMail has held up so far, so that narrows me to Sean, Neleh, Zoe, and Robert (ordered most to least likely to go in my feeble mind). I was leaning toward Neleh until I saw the next two episode titles, either of which could easily apply to her. I think the pic of Tammy winning IC is valid, so the Rotu 4 basically have their pick of victims. Sean's physical strength makes him an IC threat, no matter what comments you want to make on his work ethic -- as we've seen time and time again, desperate people tend to do well in the ICs so that they can stay. Besides, the controlling alliance needs to do their pagonging very carefully so as not to tip their hand too quickly and get booted themselves. I believe in a core alliance of Z/T/R, and that they are letting the others (especially John) think they have a more defined role. They have to be careful whittling down the numbers so that they don't tick people off and lose the control. I also wonder if Zoe is wavering between the Rotu 4 and getting back with K/N/P, and if she could convince the others to vote off Sean this week, then she has more time to figure out on which side of the fence she wants to be. Woohoo, Hawk! And I'll take it easier on this week's offenders, 'specially cause I miss LisaPooh.    S.O.B.
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04-17-02, 09:51 AM (EST)
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17. "sean" |
Been wanting to get rid of him for awhile now.
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04-17-02, 09:52 AM (EST)
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18. "Sean" |
CBS is trying to mislead us.
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04-17-02, 10:32 AM (EST)
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19. "John" |
1) Episode title: The Jury's Out could be a cocky comment John makes that leads to his boot as in "The jury's out of the question, I'm here to win", leading to a boot.2) Misdirection of "What are John's plans with Sean and Vee"....I think this is irrelevent and the question should be "What are Sean and Vee's plans with John" 3) There has been a common theme of when people are presented as liars or scamming, they get booted...Hunter caught talking to Gina with Vee overhearing, the implications that Gabe was being dishonest, Gina bringing fruit to Neleh and Paschal to buy their vote, Rob, Rob, Rob... 4) I want to believe that these people are not as stupid as past Survivors. It was put right out in the open that the original Rotu 4's plan was to knock off N/P/K first then R/S/V. John admitted this to everyone in front of everyone. I really, really hope that S/V/K/N/P are smart enough to see this and band together. 5) Tammy has immunity. She'll keep it or possibly give to Kathy/Neleh/or Paschal to earn trust but John has already been targetted. 6)ETOnline has photos of 2 Survivors each week in its preview. They've shown shots of Patricia, Hunter, Sarah, Gabe, and Gina. Only one shown in pictures on the website not to get booted is John. 7)CBS Eyemail has not profiled John but with all the attention given to the Eyemail, I could see MB skipping a surprise bootee for just that purpose. 8) His story arc is done. In his own words the gay boy outwitted the macho Rob. Now he can go. 9) Mega face time with other stories yet to be started. 10) If Sean spoilers are correct, something would have to happen to keep him in the game as long as he is supposed to stay. 11) Quotes of this Survivor being different than the others. 12) Recap episode tonight usually before painting a bad guy in a good light to give them the heave-ho the next day a la Jerri. 13) I believe Kathy weight spoilers that she goes far. For her to go far, and Sean to go far, Vee and Paschal's stories to even start, something needs to happen... Alternate: Zoe
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04-17-02, 11:06 AM (EST)
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21. "Sean" |
IT just makes sense. As much as I would like to see somebody stop John, I don't think it is going to happen...at least not this week.
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04-17-02, 11:06 AM (EST)
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23. "Neleh" |
I've barely had time to keep up with the spoiling this week. I'm just going to base it on the EYEmail pattern, using the assumption that all jury members must be profiled before their boot. The people who have been profiled so far are Robert, Tammy, Zoe, Sean, and Neleh. Based on their storylines, I don't think Robert, Tammy, or Zoe will be booted yet. Spoilers indicate that Sean isn't leaving yet either. That leaves Neleh. I think there's been enough of a story for her to go. I'm not really sure why they would want to get rid of her, but we all know it is often an exercise in futility to try to figure out just what these people are thinking.
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04-17-02, 11:19 AM (EST)
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24. "John" |
One can only hope.if not him, then its Sean Rectum 
"I know I don't know you, and you're probably not what you seem, but I sure would like to find out so why don't you climb down of that TV screen" Tammy, the Sole Survivor!
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04-17-02, 11:39 AM (EST)
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25. "Sean" |
Argh, I've been wavering on this one. Neleh was my other pick. I really think the Rotu 4 haven't developed enough of a storyline yet, so I think they will stay in control. So tossing them out, that leaves Sean & Neleh profiled in EyeMail.Why I picked Sean over Neleh:
Sean's story is over. The Sean visit spoiler doesn't seem to have any substantial basis. The person who gets the visit could be a female, as pointed out by our translator extraordinaires. "Two Peas in a Pod" title for next episode. This simply has to refer partially to Neleh. I cannot think of any two other people that would be referred to this way. There are slim possibilities, but I can't nail down any good ones. I have also seen articles referring to Neleh being SweetPea and refereces to "pods" when using the term. It's not a big leap to make. Alliance logic. Tammy said she has 5 people. I think Vee must be the 5th. Neleh and Pascal wouldn't divide. Sean wouldn't be the fifth instead of Vee. Kathy wouldn't likely be the 5th after all we've heard. This says that Sean, Neleh, Pascal, & Kathy are vulnerable. The Rotu 4/5 don't need Sean and they certainly don't seem to like his "drama", but they do need a little trust this episode from N/P/K so that they won't turn on the Rotu 4/5. Kathy would be the other logical bootee, but that could backfire if they target her. She could more easily mount a counter attack than Sean could (P/N are semi-bonded to her, Sean has no true allies). Plus, the Kathy weight loss spoiler is fairly reliable, making me think she stays a bit longer. ALSO, if the Rotu 4/5 are smart, they'll realize Pappy & Neleh would be bitter and therefore be bad jury members to face in the end. Sean is only one man. If carefully played out, the Rotu 4 have it made. After this ep, they can wax K/N/P, barring immunity. At that point, I think K/N/P would be more understanding of being voted out. They have to realize that the Rotu 4/5 have an alliance and that they have little hope of breaking in. In summary, Sean is the safer, expendible person this episode. If he got immunity, Kathy or Neleh would be the next likely candidate. Given the Ep. 9 title & the Kathy weight loss spoiler, I don't think Sean gets immunity (Tammy likely does due to photo and she certainly wouldn't give it to Sean).
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04-17-02, 11:59 AM (EST)
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26. "Sean" |
I believe that the entire series to this point has been editted to misdirect from the obvious - the Maraamu get Pagonged. Gabe, the exception, only proves the rule as the reason for his boot was his unwillingness to commit to reuniting Rotu after the merge.Personally, I don't have much faith in the Sean spoliers that have been floating around. A casual mention on SN.net that Sean makes it to the second week of December is not a "spoiler" in my book. The same info on EZ would have been summarily dismissed. Sean has been profiled in EYEmail. Kathy, who was my choice earlier in the week, needs to lose more weight (if you believe the weight loss spoilers, which I do.) My gut's telling me that we'll be seeing Kathy for some time to come. I think MB has done everything he could do to convince the viewers that someone other than a Maraamu will be targeted. I'm convinced that the only boot that makes sense based on what we have seen (and not seen) to this point is Sean.
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04-17-02, 12:15 PM (EST)
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28. "JOHN" |
if not this council - it'll be the next one...
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04-17-02, 04:22 PM (EST)
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33. "Surprise-John" |
Who would of known?
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04-17-02, 04:52 PM (EST)
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34. "Nurse John" |
There can't be two Richard Hatches, there just can't be!!!
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04-17-02, 06:18 PM (EST)
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36. "Sean" |
Unfortunately, I've been out of town on business and haven't been able o follow the boards as much as I'd like. Yet, from the info I've been able to digest, I agree that Sean's story has been told. Kudos to Weltek... everything is stated quite well.
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04-17-02, 07:03 PM (EST)
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39. "KaThY" |
I am going to pick Kathy again. I beleive the spoilers that say she will be going, i do think Neleh might want to watch out, she may be in trouble too, and obviously Sean, but i beleive his parents spoiler.
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04-17-02, 08:16 PM (EST)
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40. "Kathy" |
I usually try to hold off for the immunity challenge pics, but since I'm convinced Tammy wins that I'm not expecting any more info for this week. SO...Looking at everything we seem to have something of a mixed bag of spoilers, but for the most part it seems to me more of a choice of ellimination of the other candidates. Given the fact that Tammy is the IC winner, and based on the fact that I don't really see her giving it away I think we can safely put Tammy in the "safe" catagory. I also think Vee and Robert will be safe as they at the very least have alliance members that would likely go before they would if the vote went against their group. Next safest looks to be Neleh-Paschal, after all at this point the last people you want to vote off are the weak IC threats and they have to be at the top of that list. Note that they voted with the controlling Rotu alliance, and have yet to show the ability to actually engage in the playing of the game. Added to that the next couple of episode titles loosely point at them, and they are also likely safe this week. In fact the only thing that tends to make them look less safe than the first group is the preview that shows them involved in some type of concerned discussion over how some of the other people are playing the game AND the potential that Paschal might have won the kite RC which could result in some resentment. Still in general I think they will both be safe for now. This leaves us with Sean, John, Kathy, and Zoe as our boot candidates. Sean should be the most likely, yet he is the one with the most reliable looking spoiler that says he stays. Since I am in the camp that believes he isn't going until the family visits, I'm adding him to the safe list as well. Which leaves us with John, Zoe, and Kathy of which I am 99% sure it will be one of. So why not John (Sean's likely target) or Zoe (Kathy's likely target). The only way either of them are in trouble is if Kathy, Paschal-Neleh, Sean, and Vee collectively get their act together and make an alliance. This certainly doesn't seem to be in the make up of Paschal-Neleh who are obviously the key for if they are not interested in playing the game (and they have shown no interest yet) then there really is no hope for these 5 other than an IC run. Somehow given what we know about these people (played with integrity, etc.) it is hard to believe that they will be able to combine into an effective alliance ever. Add in the fact that Vee seems to already be working the alliance chain with the Rotu-4 and I can't see there being too much realistic hope these 5 will get their collective acts together... history is certainly against them! Which leave us with Kathy. We saw her alienate Neleh-Paschal last week. We saw her obsessing about being a target and getting everyone rilled up. We saw her challenge the Rotu-4 and the way they are playing the game. We saw her competing for the food provider lable with John early. We saw her win a skill based immunity challenge which proved that she could be an immunity threat. We saw her being something of a loner even when she was with them. Since she was never one of them in the past, I don't see her being one of them now... and for lack of a better choice, my vote goes to Kathy. It's time for her to go. -ICB
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04-17-02, 08:39 PM (EST)
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42. "Kathy" |
It's been fun, Kath, but you can't seem to figure out puzzles or mazes and I don't think you will pull the others (anyone not Rotu 4) together to vote as an alliance. SG R.I.P. (Recreating In Paradise):
Peter Harkey: Alien from Uranus getting into the best shape of his life.
Patricia Jackson: Nacho Mama chillin' at the Loser Buffet.
Hunter Ellis: The Knuckleheads have spoken sending the Eagle to go scuba diving.
Sarah Jones: Miss No-nos begins her tropical vacation at last.
Gabriel Cade: The teddy bear hugger looks for a new commune where they don't play games.
Gina Crews: Happy trails to our nature guide as she and Hunter meet at the Lover's Lodge. Favorite buffet item: Watermelon
Rob Mariano: The Robfodder never caught a chicken and he ain't no friend of mine.
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I believe that Sean is this week's boot for numerous reasons. The main reason, I am choosing him, over my alternate pick, Kathy; is the misdirection from EPN: "Sean and Vee fight for their life, but John has OTHER plans, for them." IMHO, Burn-it, is trying to mislead us into thinking Sean, is safe, and Kathy? (or someone else, N/P) will get the boot. With Rob gone, and Sean, as a free agent/loose cannon;
John would be wise to vote him off before Kathy; so, as not to, needlessly alarm Neleh/Pashal.
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45. "Kathy" |
OK, I'm still not spoiling, but I've heard the speculations..."Jury's Out" refers to Judge Paschal ... no, the "Out" refers to Gay John ... Either of these could be right. Hey, what do I know? If I REALLY knew anything, would I be posting here? But I do not doubt the existence of the Tammy-Zoe-John-Robert alliance; I do not see any way that the alliance would choose to boot Paschal, who has adopted his hardworking old man persona, before Kathy, who has been a target in Rotu since day 1; and I can't see that alliance breaking up. There are nine left. For John to go, the other 5 have to unite. Yeah, sure. Not only don't I believe that this happens, I think Vee is solid with Tammy's group. That makes 5 votes for a majority, so whomever they pick goes. Vee doesn't dislike Sean, and the others want to keep her vote ... at least until they don't need it any more ... so I can't see Sean getting booted (besides, the SurvivorNews/Snewser spoiler says that he stays until he wins the "reward visit from home", which they couldn't do in Africa but can do in Tahiti -- and I do not doubt Snewser when he says he has solid evidence, even if he doesn't want to reveal his sources). I simply can't picture a scenario in which Neleh is a target for this vote, any more than I could picture Paschal as a target. Which leaves Kathy. She voted against Zoe when all of the rest (except Rob's friend Sean) voted against Rob, marking her as a loose cannon. She clearly sees herself as a leader, and she doesn't seem particularly flexible about NOT being the leader. We can't be sure that she wasn't the primary target last week before she won the IC. She isn't going to win two in a row. So my prediction is that Kathy becomes the first member of the jury. One point to keep in mind: this is the fourth edition of Survivor. In each of the first three, the underdogs NEVER managed to overthrow the dominant alliance after the merge. Why should we think this time is going to be different?
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04-17-02, 11:57 PM (EST)
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47. "Kathy" |
I have lost count at the amount of weeks I have been saying this...My alternate is Neleh, but I am going with the obvious...
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50. "Hey John..." |
...it's time for you to go!
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51. "John" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-18-02 AT 12:14 PM (EST)(Edited to Thank Hawkeye for the fine Summary!) I’ve been on the fence struggling with Kathy vs. John and have now moved into the John camp. Cowboyroo has included many of the reasons in his excellent post and here are a few additional thoughts... “And one group thinks they control the game.
Sean: It's a conspiracy going on here!
VO: But how will they dominate the new tribe?” One group THINKS they control the game, that would be J/T/Z/R. But they don’t if P/N/K/S/V vote together… 
In this series of pictures from the 2nd Promo this week, we see Paschal giving John the accusing eye, and Kathy together with Vee…forming a new alliance?
“With "Boston Rob" now gone, Sean and Vecepia vow to fight till the end. But John has his own plans for them.”
The only way Sean and Vee can consider a “fight till the end”, is if they team up with the other underdogs K/P/N. John has his own plans for them probably involves either trying to get rid of Sean first, now that Rob is gone, or trying to arrange a short term alliance to get rid of K/P/N. Startegies revealed don’t succeed, so John’s plan fails to come together and John loses control of the game to the new alliance.
":Neleh gets upset with actions of some of her tribemates
Neleh: I've been nothing but honest to everybody. I'm following my heart. There's got to be something changed here." Neleh talking to Paschal realizes how naïve she’s been and finally makes the mental split from the old Rotu. She follows her heart and votes out the tribemate she’s upset with…John. (This could be where the religious connection comes in…Sean, Vee, Paschal, and Neleh voting together with Kathy to get rid of John. 
Is this Tammy and Vee teaming up to take out the self proclaimed leader?
“JP: Kathy confronts Zoe about her lying ways.
Zoe: There was never any intention of voting you off.
Kathy: Zoe just lied to me point blank”
Do Kathy and Zoe come to the realization that John is the only one who wanted to vote off Kathy and decide it’s time to get rid of John? TV Guide) Leak for Episode 9: "As the countdown-or body count-continues, the series' sprint to the finish looks to be more competitive and unpredictable than its lopsided beginning, in which the Maraamu tribe lost five of the first six immunity challenges. Tonight, the eight remaining merged-tribe members divide into four teams of two to compete for a Marquesan feast. The winning duo are taken by helicopter and then horseback to a beautiful locale for a lavish banquet and dancing." Once John is gone the EP9 preview makes a lot more sense. It's not clear exactly how the coup takes place, but it seems that their several scenarios that work. It also makes sense for MB to put the recap show in AFTER a big shakeup, to insure that the viewers stick around for the rest of the season. Unpredictability is what the audience wants…a John boot is just the ticket!  Krautboy
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04-18-02, 07:14 AM (EST)
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52. "Sean" |
In my mind there are two possible bootees this week: Sean and Kathy. They are both irritating enaugh and are targeted by the dominant necklece (J/R/T/Z and possibly V). No matter how weak this alliance might seem, it won't break for the next two or three TC's. And no matter how much we'd like to see people remaining outside it uniting and challenging it, this won't happen, because no matter how desperate they are, I don't think Neleh and Pappy are going to join Sean. The person who gets voted off this week is also the first jury member. I think that baring this in mind from it would be incredibly stupid from the necklece alliance point of view to vote out anyone but Sean. Sean is practically allianceless - I personally think that Vee has defected, though I'm not still sure of her new alliance -, and thus amounts only for one vote when deciding the winner. If the F2 were two Old Rotu alliance members, both of them would definitely have a chance of getting Sean's vote, since Sean has known where he stands with them from the beginning. If one of them in the F2 with Vee, she or he could always argue that Vee betrayed Sean. If one of them would be in the F2 with one of the New Maraamu members, she or he could argue that Sean might be in his or her place, if the New Maraamu would have joined Rob and Sean after the merge. Kathy, Neleh and Paschal might not be in alliance (the fact that kathy voted Zoe is telling), but they are tight after spending all the time in the island together. We know that Kathy is paranoid about the Old Rotu voting her off before the New Rotu. We also know that Neleh and Paschal are getting concerned about the Old Rotu plans. If the Old Rotu alliance decided to vote them out before the New Rotu, they would seriously risk loosing crucial three votes in the Final TC in the case they went there against Sean or Vee. And since both Sean and Vee are definitely more of the IC threats than Paschal and Neleh, it wouldn't be out of the question that they could pull immunties when they needed them the most (well, I can't really see Sean winning the Fallen Camrades IC, but I think that if Vee was still around she would be the favorite to win). So, no matter how irritating Kathy might be, it makes more sense to keep her around at least for one more episode than let her go to the jury when she is in her most paranoic mood.
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04-18-02, 07:29 AM (EST)
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53. "John" |
Last chance to avoid the Pagonging...
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04-18-02, 08:11 AM (EST)
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54. "Sean..." |
I think that either Sean or Kathy has to be the target this evening, unless Sean, Vee, Kathy, Paschal and Neleh can recognize that going against the pack is their only shot at getting a spot better than 5th. I do not see that happening, however, so I am guessing that it will be Sean, because he seems to be the biggest reward and immunity threat.
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04-18-02, 09:32 AM (EST)
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56. "John" |
As stated by Krautboy above, John is the most logical pick to make the episode 9 preview make any sense.
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04-18-02, 09:57 AM (EST)
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57. "Kathy" |
I want to jump onto the John bandwagon but my gut won't allow it.
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04-18-02, 10:47 AM (EST)
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59. "John" |
He's the leader alright -- follow him to the jury.
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04-18-02, 11:13 AM (EST)
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62. "Sean" |
Alternate JohnI think Kathy is safe, though she needs to avoid pulling a reverse Lex and stop thinking that everyone is after her. It's either Sean or John, and I pick Sean since he is, as it has been said, allianceless. John has set himself up as a target by proclaiming himself leader. (If Hunter was still around, he'd be the leader but without putting himself on a pedastal. RIP Hunter.) But Sean has been the grating one from the beginning, so I pick him. Not really a good reason besides that.
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04-18-02, 11:52 AM (EST)
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64. "Sean (Malcolm FarrahKhan) - alternate Kathy (The VerMonster)" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-18-02 AT 05:02 PM (EST)Actually now that I have heard all these awesome theories regarding John (thanks to Shakes, Bebo, Swami, KrautBoy, Fester).
I have just decided not to decide, it's just too hard to make a pick now. I should have waited until I read all the posts but nooooooooooooo, I had to open my big mouth (or shall I say my post).
Hope everyone enjoy's the show tonight!!! Again Thanks to all of you Spoiling Gods and Godesses!!
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04-18-02, 11:52 AM (EST)
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65. "Kathy" |
1.The Rotu4 probably figured out it was her that threw a vote their way.
2. After her rant from last week. John probably knows she knows too much. She's a threat to jell N/P/V/S.
3. Even if Sean claims John is a lying, backstabbing, conniving little weazel. Who'd believe him? He's a ABM who just lost his boy.
4. She has always been on the hit list, time to clean up loose ends.
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04-18-02, 12:26 PM (EST)
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69. "Sean" |
I don't see N/P/S/V/K banding together, simply because I don't see N/P trusting Sean (they didn't trust Rob, probably because of Gina's comments, and Sean seems harder to get along with). Nor can I see Vee breaking from her possible alliance with Z/R/J/T - even if they don't see her as in their alliance, I think that she thinks she is. So that leaves the Z/R/J/T/(V) alliance in control, and possible targets are N/P, Kathy, or Sean. At this point, N/P seem too nice and too non-threatening to be targets, laving the bull's-eye on Kathy and Sean. I believe the eyemail theory, so, unless they don't intend to have someone profiled before the week of the last two episodes, kathy is safe. That leaves Sean. Strong, annoying, an outsider - I can't see him lasting much longer.
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04-18-02, 12:38 PM (EST)
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70. "Neleh" |
Because I always try to vote before the ABT....Neleh has a profile.
Neleh has the facetime.
Neleh works with the OFG theory.
And since people think SNews is reliable, I'm ruling out Sean. Different cast, same old $#!t. Let the Pagonging begin. Alt: Still Sean ----------------------------------------
Now let us never speak of S3 again. Don't worry y'all, Gina and Bob will be back just in time for the final 3.  
Stop Discrimination Now
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04-18-02, 01:10 PM (EST)
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73. "Sean" |
It's a conspiracy!
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04-18-02, 01:16 PM (EST)
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75. "Sean!" |
please...
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04-18-02, 01:24 PM (EST)
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77. "Kathy" |
I think that Kathy, Neleh, and Paschal are the most likely targets this week. I believe the Sean spoiler, so Sean is safe for another week. I don't think that John, Tammy, Zeo, or Robert are in any danger this week. They are the dominate alliance and they will stick together (at least this week). I know that some have speculated that Vee may team up with K/N/P/S to vote out John. But I don't think Vee will do that. I think that Vee has made a bond with Tammy. Vee is a SAGITTARIUS (OK, you non-believers can start laughing now) and Sag's are devoted and loyal in relationships even though they may seem detached. So I don't think Vee will betray Tammy.
That leaves Neleh, Paschal, Kathy. I think Neleh is safe given the Two Peas in a Pod and The Princess episode titles. Paschal is not an immunity threat -- at least I don't think so. Look at how far behind he was in the race with Rob. That leaves Kathy. She's been annoying. She won immunity last week. Kathy's a Capricorn. When Caps feel that they're failing repeatedly, they can turn severely negative and pessimistic and insecure. She's paranoid about everyone lying to her. Could this bring out her negative side causing the others to turn against her? Some people think Kathy is too obvious, that the previews are pushing for a Kathy boot. I disagree. The previews have mentioned Vee and Sean trying to stay in the game. They also show Neleh and Paschal talking and Neleh being upset. And sometimes the boot is obvious! Also, let's not forget Kathy voted against Zoe last week. J/T/Z/R know that Kathy knows that Zoe lied to her. J/T/Z/R may want to take out the trouble maker. Some have said it would be smarter to break up Neleh and Paschal. First, let me ask, when have the Survivors ever done the smart thing? If Vee is with J/T/Z/R then they are already the majority and it doesn't matter who they take out first. I say get rid of the annoying trouble maker who is an immunity threat.
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04-18-02, 02:04 PM (EST)
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78. "John" |
I think Juhn will be booted by a convergenge of conveniences for several groups, not a firm alliance. Is John the leader of a dominant alliance as he thinks he is? Well, the jury's still out on that question.John will want to target one of N/P/K, and they of course will figure this out if John doesn't tell them himself outright. These same folks are still shocked that Gabe was voted off, and John will probably take the "credit" for that too, not realizing he is digging his own grave. IMO, John is an outsider in his own alliance. T/Z/R are the core of old Rotu. Vee is bonded with them, and can step into number 4 position in place of John. N/P/K may think that voting John puts "their" old Rotu back together again, but like Humpty Dumpty it's gone forever. Sean is angry with John & would vote for him again with little urging. He is smart enough to see a conspiracy going on, but not in with anyone enough to see what it is. As long as it is not focused on voting him, he'll go with the flow & vote John. He is in no alliances & is not a bigger immunity threat than John, so he is pretty much marginalized as a player. Alternate: Kathy. Kathy is a wild card--not part of any core alliance. She is an on-going train wreck whose time will come very soon. Great Summary, Hawk!
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04-18-02, 02:31 PM (EST)
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80. "RE: Sean" |
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04-18-02, 02:32 PM (EST)
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81. "Kathy " |
Rudy says "I dunno" but I think Kathy made Rotu mad by voting for Zoe.
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04-18-02, 02:39 PM (EST)
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82. "John is OUT" |
For the reasons I gave in that other thresd I started...don't have the link, but it is on the first page if you want to read up on it.Basically, I'm looking for a Rotu defection tonight, most likely Zoe, to team up with or just simply vote the same way as K/P/N/S and get rid of the cause of all the deceit at camp, John. Also, we may even see T/R/V join up with the voting block so as not to appear guilty by association with lame duck John. Now, I haven't made my Yahoo or Spoiler Island picks yet in the hopes that something new might come out in the next couple of hours, but if nothing does I'm sticking with the John boot. 
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04-18-02, 02:46 PM (EST)
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83. "John" |
I'm relying upon the speculation theories of others, but am also making this vote for Rob. . . . even 'though he's now gone, his planting the seeds of discontent will (I hope) lead to the ouster of John.
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04-18-02, 03:11 PM (EST)
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84. "Nurse John" |
Last nights preview put me to John. I think Sean and Vee team up with K/P/N and start voting off the alliance with John and his dictorial ways first. My alternate choice is Robert who my be a physical threat in the challenges.
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04-18-02, 03:16 PM (EST)
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86. "Sean" |
See weltek's logic.
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04-18-02, 03:18 PM (EST)
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87. "John" |
A few episodes back, Frau Hexe posted a very interesting and comprehensive theory in a thread entitled "Emerging Themes: Power Can Only Be Granted" in which she argues that the main theme for S4 was that the males struggling for control would get so caught up in a power struggle that they would end up eliminating one another, leaving the more patient folks to play the end game, particularly the women.We are seeing this happen. Of course, they had to boot Rob last episode, for he was going to do everything in his power to get rid of John. Now, it seemed to me that Sean would go next as Survivor history dictates, but not so fast! Sean is no longer in a struggle for the Alpha Male role as he was in Maraamu, but he is interested in toppling the one remaining Alpha male -- John. Add to that the Zoe factor. She's been accused of lying, but we never actually saw Zoe promise anything to John about voting out Old Rotu. She's a woman of integrity, and if John made promises to R/S/V on behalf of the Rotu 4 without consulting them first, then he has painted all of them in a bad light. Zoe will not appreciate that, nor will she allow Kathy to continue believing she is a liar, when in fact it is John's deception that has screwed them all over. I think Zoe will vote against John to prove she didn't lie. Final thought. Last episode Rob foretold John's demise when he said "In the next couple of tribal councils, John will be exposed". This is classic MB foreshadowing. John took the leadership role -- no one gave it to him. Now they're going to set the record straight (no pun intended). John, you are NOT in charge. See ya.
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04-18-02, 03:22 PM (EST)
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88. "John" |
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04-18-02, 03:23 PM (EST)
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89. "Kathy" |
I really wanna buy into the various John theories... but...I just can't. Kathy is gone... she's severed ties with Zoe (and thus with the Rotu 5, including Vee), and we know that Paschal and Neleh stick around next week to be two peas in a pod. The only member of the Rotu five that might *consider* swapping out of the alliance is Vee... but she'd be no better than 5th in either alliance, so why bother... especially if she can push a female alliance with Zoe/Tammy and ride it to the final three. Sean has to stick around until he wins the challenge he is rumored to win, and since we have vidcaps of Robert apparently winning the RC, and Tammy definately winning the necklace, Sean cannot be booted. In summary: 1) The Rotu four alliance is solid... it will not break up at this week, but it might next week (when eliminating a member will still give them a numerical advantage)... thus J/R/T/Z are safe. 2) Vee has a shot at final three. Switching sides would put her final four at best, and possibly fifth out... which is the worst she can do in the Rotu 4 + V alliance. Thus, she will not switch, and the voting block of five will have their choice of targets. 3) Sean must stick around until he wins a challenge, which is not this week. Thus he is safe. 4) Next week, Neleh and Paschal are two peas in a pod, and as such, they are safe for this week. 5) Kathy is the only one not protected (by anything other than the SeeBS EyeMail, and it's time for that to throw us a curve-ball)... so she must be the one that is eliminated... her vote for Zoe last week burned the final bridge that could have reunited her with Old Rotu. ...oh... and there's no way in hell that Tammy will give away immunity!!!!! 
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04-18-02, 03:23 PM (EST)
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90. "John" |
As IceCat said, last chance to avoid the pagonging!Hey Kathy, neleH, Paschal, Sean, and 5th person: If you didn't know, this is the 4th installment of Survivor! Please tell me that you have seen at least 1 other series. Please tell me that you know what happens to players that have the majority in numbers, but for whatever reason refuse to allign for a common boot! I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that you all DO know how to play the game afterall! With tounge firmly in cheek, bebe
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04-18-02, 03:26 PM (EST)
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91. "John" |
Because I just can't see why Snews would put it on their website if it weren't so.
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04-18-02, 03:27 PM (EST)
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93. "Sean" |
I haven't been reading the boards too much lately, but I think his bad attitude will be his downfall. He is hardly under the radar. John is my alt. pick if they rally against him (wishful thinking that never pans out).
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04-18-02, 03:31 PM (EST)
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94. "John" |
All week I've been thinking that the clues all point to John, but I haven't been able to think of a scenario where he gets the boot. Well, I think I finally figured it out.The title "Jury's Out" has been bugging me for days. It has to mean that there is something in doubt, or something that was thought to be solid turning undecided. In any event it has to point back at John. He's the one that's been the visible "leader" of the R-4. With John’s ouster, the jury would be “out” in many ways. The “out” John would be on the jury. The jury itself would be “out”, as in initiated, and the "jury would be out" on who’s really running the show. Then we have the promos saying "One group (led by John) thinks they're in control". Why even bring that up if it's not called into question? Shakes' thread got me thinking, but I couldn't get past the idea that Zoe would betray the R-4. I couldn't fathom this idea, because I have believed since E6 that the real alliance is R/Z/T, and they have gone with John's proclamation of leadership, because it serves many purposes. But the point is that if Zoe betrays the R-4, she's really betraying her core alliance of 3. She wouldn't do that. Then it came to me. I started looking at E8's in prior seasons. E8 has always been a pivotal episode, and the biggest threat to the dominant alliance has always been voted out. So who is the biggest perceived threat to R/Z/T? Certainly not free agent, poor player, tenacity-lacking Sean. Not Vee, she's in their hip pocket. Not lock-step Neleh and Pappy who aren't IC threats either. Kathy is somewhat of a threat because of her ties with Zoe and her demonstrated determination in a do-or-die situation. But none of them have "threat" written on their foreheads. Here’s what I think will happen in E8. John's megalomania will finally be his undoing. Someone wrote earlier this week about John having "Lex Syndrome". I think they're right. The difference being that Lex was the leader of Boran alliance, and John IS NOT the leader of the R-4. We've had this Kathy-Zoe meeting shoved down our throats. Zoe and Kathy will hash it out. Their relationship will be improved at the end of the discussion. I don’t know if Zoe finally figures out how to lie, or if she comes clean about the alliance, or what. But I believe that the end result will be fine for both parties. John will perceive this as a chink in his armor that Zoe and Kathy are bonding. That’s not part of the plan. He’ll accuse the old Rotu (N/P/K) and possibly Zoe of conspiring against him. He will push to boot Zoe claiming she back-stabbed the alliance. This is where V/S come in. He will want the votes of V/S to go with J/T/R to boot Zoe. T/R will see that they have to stop this as Zoe is the third in their group. In the end, John will get ousted…and it may be 7-1. Thus giving him the "shock of his life". Great summary Hawk!  Fester
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04-18-02, 03:33 PM (EST)
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95. "John" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-18-02 AT 06:04 PM (EST)Sometimes it's good to be a lemming, a myrmidon. Sometimes it's good to follow the crowd like a good sheep-- er, Dawg. The Episode title gives us: Paschal. OFG Theory gives us: Paschal, possibly Neleh, but really could be anyone. EyeMail Theory gives us: Neleh. Hollow Theory gives me: Anyone but Kathy and Zoe. They are our main feature, but designed to lead us AWAY from the truth. Also, Paschal and Neleh are on the outside of the main alliance. They're OldRotusTurnedNewMaraamus. Then again, there's that nasty "peas in a pod" title next week. And then again, Hollow Theory suggests the Neleh/Paschal preview is leading us AWAY from the truth... Last, but not least, I cannot decide between Paschal and Neleh which one might go. And I'm NOT flipping a coin. Now I've been saying for weeks that what John THINKS is the Rotu-4 alliance is really the Rotu-3 alliance (but I'm too lazy to go find the links and post them here. You'll just have to trust me or disprove me. ) A lot of persuasive arguments for JOHN have been popping up in the last 24 hours, including those of Krautboy, shakestheclown, and the TDT website. (I would have loved to hear from the lovely and intelligent OutfrontGirl, but I need to go ahead and post this.) There was not a whole lot of spoilin' goin' on this week, either. (Lots of speculation, but that's diff'rent  ) When I get like this, I freely admit I tend to let the "experts" persuade my thinking. In addition to the above, The ABT and SurvivorNews are saying John. Who am I to argue? baa-aa-aah. Edited to add: Alternate Pick is Paschal. Hawkeye, fly on in to Summary Lodge. Your perch next to the Curling Rink is ready for you to settle down upon. You can keep your eye on Bebo getting a full body massage as we all discuss your OUTSTANDING JOB on your summary! *** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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04-18-02, 03:36 PM (EST)
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96. "Kathy" |
I have the feeling I should be voting for John but I think it will be Kathy.
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97. "Kathy" |
First, because she was my bootee for PTTE.Second, her story is over if there ever was one that was over. I don't know anyone personally that isn't sick of her already. Third, I'm very suspicious of all the hoopla over the claim that this season is different, (sarcastic tone) must mean it's the same. So, we can expect the usual cannibalism, keep in mind the foreshadowing last episode. Does this work with the crab theory? Last, I think it's too soon to expect the Rotu 4 to fall apart, however I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Rotu 4 vs PTL (Praise the Lord) 4 next week leading to a tie vote. Rotu 4's plan would be to oust Sean against PTL 4's plan to vote off John. In a tiebreaker between the two I think John would win. But, since I'm lousy at this....if I'm wrong today, I reserve the right to change my vote for next week.
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98. "Sean " |
Gone to ##### and moan at the loser's camp.
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100. "John" |
John is going. He will be the one to be shocked tonight.
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04-18-02, 04:04 PM (EST)
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102. "Another Tally" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-18-02 AT 04:11 PM (EST)This is post #102 tabulating 97 votes, 1 violation/vote and 3 previous tallies. John has taken the lead from Sean, with Kathy close behind. John: 35
Sean: 34
Kathy: 23
Neleh: 3
Zoe: 1
Paschal: 1
Tammy: 1 Robert and Vee are UTR. edited to add King William's violation/vote. Be prepared for the jeering.  Beware the Bear!
Thanks IceCat!
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04-18-02, 04:09 PM (EST)
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103. "John" |
Cuz I've been brainwashed by a clown.
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04-18-02, 04:10 PM (EST)
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104. "Dear John" |
Thanks to HawkEye for the summary, taunts to BMH for the violation.Cowboyroo summed it up better than I ever could hope to.
http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/2623.shtml#19 Krautboy helps out.
http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/2623.shtml#51 Of course, I still had to think about it for a while. Weltek had me taking a hard look at Sean. I don't know about the family spoiler's validity. But the "it's a conspiracy" comment in the preview seems like Sean's actually almost likeable. Maybe he's angry, but at least he can play. I'll give him at least another week. I don't think it's Sean.
http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/2623.shtml#25 Idiotcowboy has some sound logic for Kathy.
http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/2623.shtml#40 So does AyaK.
http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/2623.shtml#45 My problem with Kathy is that this depends on John being firmly within the controlling alliance. Little to no speculation there - assume John is in, it's Kathy. Assume John is out, and we've got another viable possibility. Shakes does a heck of a job with yet another alternative (also resulting in a John boot).
http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/2627.shtml I am a natural fan of the underdog, as most of us are. I also have continued faith that one day, these morons will actually play the game well and not just get pagonged through to the end. We've also got the "plans" John has for Sean and Vee. Boot John, and you've got irony enough to suit even EPMB. So let's look at the numbers on an alterna-alliance. Tammy has apparently said she has five others in her alliance. Who are they, if not John? I don't think there's much argument against the General or Zoe. I personally think it's apparent that Vee is in on it. That's 3. If you inlcude John, it's awfully tough to get to 5 because I don't see either Kathy or Sean in the alliance. But leave John out, put Neleh and Paschal in, and now we've got 5. Hmm. Also, didn't we see Tammy cuddling up to the Robfaddah one night last week? If she's that close to John, I don't see that happening. Just before I post this, FesterFan1 has a great argument, too.
http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/2623.shtml#94 Still not enough? Check out starshyn99's logic. I'll take the boot any way that I can get it.
http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/2623.shtml#58
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04-18-02, 04:13 PM (EST)
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105. "John" |
This leader is gonna lead the way to the jury.
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04-18-02, 04:16 PM (EST)
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108. "ROBERT" |
Before you think I am wAcKO hear me out.Here's why Robert:
1) CBS EYEMAIL Profiled.
2) Previews hint someone get's hurt in Reward Challenge (the extent who knows)
3) Analysis of Reward Challenge on this site points to Robert winning it.
4) Episode titled (Jury is Out)
5) Sean, Kathy and John only other logical bootees. There are many things pointing against them going. Kathy and John haven't been profiled on CBS EYEMAIL and Sean has been rumored to have a visit from his family. There is nothing pointing towards Robert staying awhile. I foresee Robert pulling a Mike Skupin. He has already shown a propensity to getting injured. Plus, I had to be different.
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lroy 536 desperate attention whore postings
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04-18-02, 04:19 PM (EST)
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109. "John" |
I think his cockyness will catch up with him.
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04-18-02, 04:22 PM (EST)
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110. "RE: Gay John ( as they would say on NYPD Blue)" |
I think that damb clown talked me into it...
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04-18-02, 04:28 PM (EST)
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111. "John" |
I've been waiting for this dope to be booted off for weeks. Then, he orchestrates the booting of by the far the most interesting and entertaining (as well as my favorite) personality on the show, Rob. First he demands someone pee on him, then demands everybody look at him naked. What an a$$. This vote is not based on any spoiler info, this is a vendetta vote. JOHN MUST GO!
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04-18-02, 04:33 PM (EST)
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113. "John" |
Maybe she will cry at tribal council.I think one of the Rotu females (Tammy) votes for John. K/N/P also vote for John. That's 4. J/Z/R and V vote Kathy. 4 for Kathy. Sean votes for John again, that's 5. Please return to and remain in Omaha.
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04-18-02, 04:36 PM (EST)
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114. "Kathy" |
I agree with the spoiler information pointing toward Sean staying around at least past this episode. I think the Rotu 4 is strong and not about to waiver yet. So if Sean is safe, then it has to be Kathy. I'm sure they'd vote Kathy before Neleh or Paschal.
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04-18-02, 04:53 PM (EST)
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118. "John. . ." |
LAST EDITED ON 04-18-02 AT 07:40 PM (EST). . . or Kathy! (a two-fer?) Yes, SeeBS is probably handing us Kathy on a silver platter--her story is kaput, her face time has spiked, they tried to make her more sympathetic last week, Rob said she'd been slated to go next, yada yada. . . but I can't help resisting the easy vote. Of the ones already EYEmailed, Neleh is the only one I could see going--but she doesn't fit into the next couple episode titles, so I can't feel settled about that choice. I think the bootee may actually come from the four who have NOT been profiled. . . Vee is likely a key vote, having aligned herself with the Rotu 4--and per her astro theory, she should remain loyal to her promise. . . but WAS it John she promised? or Tammy? I don't like the way John has cropped up as the surprise choice this week--especially since he was so quiet last time. . . I SOOOO beat shakes last week , figuring Kathy's yoga thing and desperation would help her win the IC, so I'm reluctant to follow his lead--especially since IceCat also chose John (and I don't remember Ice picking correctly yet, this series. . . ) In looking back on MIS's Astro thread redux, one thing stood out--the statement that Zoe the Pisces would not react well, being confronted about her versions of the truth, and would tend to change the current or swim around it. . . She has been almost as big a mystery as Vee, and as we know she'd established a friendly relationship with N&P, we haven't SEEN her agreeing with John (other than a bit of head-nodding--with zero eye contact), and so I'm doubting her loyalty to John. Also, when Gina was interviewed at a local strip mall, she made some cryptic comments about how "interesting" it gets very quickly. . . Yes, that could mean she was told to feed us the same line they ALL do, or it could mean something unexpected happens to shake things up. . . I dunno. I'm not convinced of anything at this point, but I have to get offline for a bit and don't want to blow my chance to vote. My alternate vote (hey--dabo gives us TWO in the GUFU thread!) is for Kathy. If she walks, I will cite MakeItStop as almost convincing me, because she's a terrible DAW--and will probably be the only one to read this ramble anyway! If Kathy IS the boot, I'll know to stick with my first instinct next time around. Damn that Burn-it, anyway--I'm getting pretty sick of his stinginess with the vid clues! GT
Nothing is as terrible to see as ignorance in action. -Goethe Edited to laugh at/with shakes--you TOTALLY dismissed the yoga thingie, admit it!
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04-18-02, 05:29 PM (EST)
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125. "not a vote" |
>time. . . I SOOOO
>beat shakes last week
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>and desperation would help her
>win the IC, ....I know that doing this is going to peg me as a vote thresd violator and as a result I am going to get yelled at by everyone next week, but those of you that know me also know that I will welcome the extra attention even if it is negative...so obviously I don't care about that.. Anyway, I just had to call out GT about this one. First of all, you soooo did not beat me in that one as I argued that Rob would be better suited for the IC becuase of his hockey background. If you heard the Rob interviews you would know that Rob definitely was the most balanced survivor during the challenge and that is why Jiffy taunted him to try and splash Tammy if he was so confident in his balancing ability. Well, Rob is an idiot and the rest is Varneresque IC history. Kathy was most certainly NOT better than Rob at that challenge, Rob just happened to be a very big idiot and that is why he lost. Also, Zoe was probably the second best person at that challenge, but she also fell off while goofing around. Why do I bring this up.....because when you read Zoe's bio you will find that Zoe's hobby is playing HOCKEY.
But, I will say that I completely agree that Kathy won because she was the most desparate to win, which ties in with my theory from last week that contestants who feel the most vulnerable at the merge are the ones who do the best in the first post merge challenge. At least we can agree on that.
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04-18-02, 05:02 PM (EST)
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119. "Kathy" |
Why am I not surprised to see John take the lead after Acme comes out? This happens almost every week! Stop being an Amber people!
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04-18-02, 05:07 PM (EST)
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120. "Sean" |
I simply don't buy John or Kathy...has to be Sean.
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04-18-02, 05:24 PM (EST)
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123. "John" |
This is my first vote ever, so I may be wrong. I like to hang on to hope that Neleh wins and doesn't get voted off this week. A lot of people are saying she and Paschal does because of the next episode title, Two Peas in a Pod, but I don't really believe that. Still, I am hanging onto hope that she still stays and that the rumors of her winning are true. This season has been very good so far, and I think they won't mess it up by letting the Rotu 4 pick off everyone else.I also don't believe Vee is with the 4, only because she saw Rob and John were arguing about, and decided that the drama was too much and decided to cut ties with Rob. I always thought Sean and Vee would vote together, and her voting for Rob was a surprise then. But I think they will stick together,"regardless". Kathy is a big target over N and P, and while she may be a likely candidate, I don't see her gone yet. I am putting faith in this vote that maybe K/N/P and S/V team up against the obvious alliance. I don't believe at ALL that Vee is with the Rotu 4, at all. She is playing both fields and as a result will be treading in between and last a while. Anyway, I hope Neleh doesn't get booted this week, because I don't see a "story" for her besides being nice and being teamed up with Paschal. What kind of story is that? John's story is obviously the biggest and longest lasting, almost a novel of some sort, and I don't see how he could go on without winning the entire thing. Either he is gone tonight, or he takes it all. Alternate pick?... Sean. Kathy will remain suspicious of Zoe but not vote for her. After John, she will convince N/P/S to vote ZOE. T/Z/R will then vote Sean. Tonight though, I pray that Neleh won't be seen as much and will last much longer, and John's face fills up the screen and gets the boot in the end.
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04-18-02, 05:26 PM (EST)
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124. "Zoe" |
Feck it. I think Sean but I figure somethin might be up with a surprise tonight.Oh well, I hope this limb Bergdogg and I'm on holds............ 
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04-18-02, 05:30 PM (EST)
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126. "John" |
Now that I see so many peeps voting for him, I'm feeling much better about this vote. I've been leaning toward him for all week. I wanted to go with him last week actually but was correctly persuaded to go with Rob. John's too vocal and he's too arrogant and he's too presumptuous. Hawkeye - dude that was one awesome summary! Managerr, hey anyone can screw up a vote thresd - you're forgiven. But Lisapooh - you're stupid loser. Grow a brain ok? How many seasons have you been doing this? Moron.
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04-18-02, 05:32 PM (EST)
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127. "Kathy" |
...no, John, no, Vee, no, Sean....
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04-18-02, 05:41 PM (EST)
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128. "John" |
Had to pick someone this week and his name was as easy to type as anyone else's. Also liked the reasons stated above by other's who picked him.
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04-18-02, 06:01 PM (EST)
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129. "John" |
After watching last week's preview I thought John was going to go but that was the reason I kept searching for alternatives and couldn't find one that satisfied me. In addition to the arguements for John listed previously, I keep thinking about the fact that MB never discloses a strategy that works and John's strategy has been out there since the swap. For this and other reasons, John has to go now in order for it not to work.
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04-18-02, 06:07 PM (EST)
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131. "Kathy" |
Hope I'm wrong!She's gotten a huge amount of face time. It could be because she's a good ongoing story line, but I don't think so. I think the R4 see her as the biggest threat to put together a counterattack, and will take her out before Sean. She's been really fun to watch - this whole crew reminds me more of S1 than any other S group since. --Specie
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04-18-02, 06:18 PM (EST)
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134. "Kathy" |
why not? It's time for the Pagonging...
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04-18-02, 06:21 PM (EST)
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135. "JOHN" |
There's so much good reasoning on this thread I'm not going to cite anyone. I don't have much time and I wouldn't do everyone justice...I was picking Kathy until those damn Network Updates came out screaming that Kathy was the boot. After the John swell began yesterday, I rewatched the early episodes for body language and concluded that Tammy and Robert were close, Kathy and Zoe, Neleh/Paschal/Gabe (no surprise) before the swap. John was only part of the Love Tribe but all his confessionals are about me me me--my playing the game. He resents it when other people help the team succeed. This has to have made a negative impression on his Rotu "allies." I agree they went along but had not picked that Final Four as their preference, and had not cut emotional ties to the swapped Rotu, nor decided they wanted to keep Sean over their friends. As for the OFG theory, which does include all the promo caps, I present this into evidence: 
Now there's a guy who's gonna need a publicist if he wants to spin himself well after the way he's come off in this game (per Gumball's Early Show comment about the next loozer bringing one along). Religion and ethics will probably be an issue and the liar will go down. He's causing more drama than Kathy, and like Brandon and Kelly, he has made too many half-promises to too many people, and it's that part of the show where no one trusts anyone and the Untrusted guy goes. At least you can depend on Kathy to be a bigmouthed out front pain-in-the-ass. Oh, and I posted my astro analysis of John dated 3/3 on the Spoilers astro thread, just to show I never really thought he would pull it off (so if he does I'll have a mouthful of crow).  "the fascination of what's difficult..."--W.B.
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04-18-02, 06:21 PM (EST)
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136. "Vote Tally to Date" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-18-02 AT 06:26 PM (EST)This is post #136 summarizing 128 votes, 4 tallies, 2 vote changes, and 1 blatant rules violation by Shakes. John........54
Sean.......35
Kathy......30
Neleh........3
Zoe..........2
Robert.......1
Paschal.....1
Tammy......1
Vee..........1 Edited to add in OFG's vote. I'd never want to leave her out.
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04-18-02, 06:32 PM (EST)
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137. "Neleh" |
The rumors of John's demise are premature. He is the Lex of this season (He's not mean, he's just edited that way). The Rotu alliance want to break up N/P and they have Vee as the 5th so they don't need to worry about tipping their hand too early.
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04-18-02, 07:24 PM (EST)
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140. "John" |
He annoys me.
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04-18-02, 07:28 PM (EST)
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141. "KATHY...." |
Many really GOOD reasons. Some of those being... I have voted for Kathy twice before so third time's the charm. Vecepia is going to stick with J/T/Z/R; it's her best shot. Rotu would have booted Kathy first had they lost a challenge. Kathy was never part of the Rotu 4 alliance. Then Kathy was switched to Mamo; along with likeable Neleh/Paschal. Then Kathy was stupid enough to believe in Rob and return at the Merge ticked off at everybody and showing it. Then Kathy managed to win the first individual Immunity. Then Kathy cast the single vote against Zoe. Kathy must GO.... Also, using EPB logic, if John did get booted tonight MB would end up with a tribe of FIVE women and only THREE men. However, if Kathy gets booted tonight MB ends up with a neat, tidy, even numbered FOUR men and FOUR women tribe!! Dalton
PS. Getting a head start on teasing STC for his "Note a Vote" post #125 above. Shame on you Bozo!!
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