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"Ep 8 Preview Vidcaps"
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04-11-02, 09:32 PM (EST)
 
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1. "RE: Ep 8 Preview Vidcaps" |
I understand. I'm sure glad Neleh finally notices this. Maybe she'll make the right choice this time.
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04-11-02, 09:45 PM (EST)
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2. "Immunity Necklace?" |
Is that the immunity necklace on Tammy in #8 and #9?
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04-11-02, 10:22 PM (EST)
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8. "Or is it Reward Challenge?" |
>Kite flying might be immunity as
>we've got Tammy saying Fly
>and holding her arms up.
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> But in the pic with her wearing the necklace she has a different shirt on. I'm not for certain, but isn't TC always the same day as the IC during the post-merge eps? If it is, then why would she change shirts, especially when they are identical types of shirts (so its not as if a change in weather dictated the change) I know she could change her shirt if she got it wet, but kite flying is not exactly a water sport...and both pics are during the day so there isn't much time for her to find a reason to change from a red shirt to a blue shirt Here is the cap again.... 
Plus, does Kite flying really sound like it is worthy of an IC?
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04-12-02, 01:08 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: Or is it Reward Challenge?" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-12-02 AT 01:11 AM (EST)Kite flying reminds me of the S2 boomerang challenge - RC. And I can't believe we have a cap of Tammy with the necklace! Unless MB is really juking us by using a clip from a future ep - which seems unlikely, I know we've had them from past eps - then he has handed it to us. Tammy isn't really someone that we see as a possible bootee next week, but still - anything can happen, plus it eliminates any of the other possible bootees from being immune.
Edited after reading more posts - I wasn't thinking about the immunity transference. Yes, that throws a wrench into it, someone who is vulnerable could still end up with immunity. All the more reason to show us the pic, to make us wonder about that. Tammy really isn't vulnerable, and although it's hard for me to picture her giving up the immunity - and also showing her hand as far as alliances - we do have to consider that possibility. 
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04-12-02, 06:18 PM (EST)
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34. "RE: Or is it Reward Challenge?" |
A couple of things about Tammy's shirts and the IC necklace:1) Tammy is shown eating as she wears the necklace. Kathy did NOT wear the necklace most of the day around camp... and most previous winners have not worn the IC necklace all day. So I surmise that this shot of Tammy with the necklace is almost IMMEDIATELY after returning from IC. So this means she was wearing this blue, athletic thing AT IC. This then extrapolates to the kite flying NOT being IC, but being RC (if even that). 2) I don't think there's much to think about with regard to Tammy changing shirts, even if it were the same day. I have noticed that most of the players tend to wear the same clothing to EVERY Tribal Council, and sometimes we don't see these clothes on them at any other time. So I don't think it's inconceivable that Tammy would change clothes. But I refer you back to No. 1 for my more actual analysis of this particular situation. 
*** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 08:11 PM (EST)
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37. "Great point dawg" |
>1) Tammy is shown eating as
>she wears the necklace.
>Kathy did NOT wear the
>necklace most of the day
>around camp... and most previous
>winners have not worn the
>IC necklace all day.
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>So I surmise that this shot
>of Tammy with the necklace
>is almost IMMEDIATELY after returning
>from IC. ...your point made me realize something.....at Rotu they only eat once a day according to Kathy and it is always at night...so, this is obviously late in the afternoon or at dinner and since she is wearing the necklace and we all know that she wouldn't wear the thing all day it seems obvious that this is probably right after the IC. Also, since it is most likely right after the iC we can safely assume that Tammy WON the IC and did not have it transfered to her...also I suspect all transfers will be announced AT TC.
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04-12-02, 10:56 PM (EST)
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38. "Tammy wins IC" |
Dawg and Shakes: I’m with you guys on this one. Definitely right after returning from the IC. The tribe is pictured with all 9 present, still wearing their challenge buffs, having a snack/dinner after the IC. Tammy has still got the Immunity necklace on shortly after returning. 
Six members of the tribe having a snack/dinner after returning from the IC…John, Neleh, Kathy, Paschal, Tammy, Sean… challenge buffs still in place. (This picture is shot from one direction across their table) Sean looks concerned walking away from the group…
The other three members of the tribe having their snack, also after returning from the IC…Robert, Vee and Zoe… challenge buffs still in place. (This picture is taken from the other direction, also across the table) Vee also looks unhappy, standing separate from the group…the last of the Maraamu look concerned. Robert and Zoe look down at the table avoiding eye contact. The air is thick with tension...
Shakes I agree that Tammy wins the IC. MB would normally hide the IC winner and edit that person as a target (much like he did with Kathy last week), but he cannot control who wins immunity. This week Tammy wins the IC, but there is no drama or suspense, because Tammy is safe even before she wins the IC. MB knows there is no supense with Tammy, so instead he has chosen to reveal the Immunity Transference rule and let us speculate whether she will keep the Immunity Necklace or give it to one of her alliance members who needs it more. Tammy seems very competitive, as witnessed by her not wanting to throw the IC to boot off Rob; I don’t believe she will transfer immunity it anyone else. So, I would recommend that we assume Tammy wins the IC, keeps the necklace and that someone else gets voted off this week…Kathy, Sean or Vee?  Krautboy
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shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings
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04-11-02, 10:28 PM (EST)
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9. "I doubt it" |
>But, I think that they are
>just trying to trick us.
> She probably just tried
>it on for size, and
>she just happened to have
>it on during that shot.....I really doubt anyone would run around trying on the necklace just for the fun of it. That would be paramount to borrowing the Stanley Cup to skate it around the ice a few times at practice just to get the hang of it. Athletes want to earn their prizes and the immunity necklace is sacred in this game, i seriously doubt anyone would even dare put the thing around their neck before earning it.
> I don't think MB
>is that stupid to ruin
>the whole "surprise" of next
>week already.
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...Burnett has given us the IC winner in clips more than once in the past....MamaKim walking to TC during the F4 ep, Kucha walking across the river with teh idol in Michael's hands.
>It's like in the 1st season
>where they had the shot
>of TC with only 4
>(??) people including Gervace and
>they thought it was legitimate.
> It could be a
>fabricated ploy.
...that was a doctored photo....I really doubt Burn-it would go to that lengths to throw us off as to something so trivial and inconsequential as who wins the immunity at the next ep.
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04-11-02, 10:32 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: I doubt it" |
Good points.  I think you're right.
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04-12-02, 06:44 AM (EST)
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21. "Is Kathy also wearing a necklace in pic 8?" |
Maybe someone can zoom in and see if Kathy is wearing one on her neck too? Cos I saw something round her neck.
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04-11-02, 10:39 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: I doubt it" |
>...that was a doctored photo....I really
>doubt Burn-it would go to
>that lengths to throw us
>off as to something so
>trivial and inconsequential as who
>wins the immunity at the
>next ep. MB doesn't need to cover up the immunity winner every week, because the transferrable immunity can bring up even more interesting discussions. Tammy is shown wearing the immunity necklace...but will she keep it or transfer her immunity to someone else? There are two significant candidates running through my mind right now:
- John - He got 2 votes during the last TC, and even though 1 of the voters is gone, transferring immunity to him could be a message to Sean and the new 'Mus that he is off-limits, protecting the Rotu 4.
- Kathy - What a way to gain back Kathy's trust -- hand back the immunity necklace at a time when she is vulnerable. A public sign that she wasn't a target...or at least, that plan was abandoned and she no longer is. Kathy will either be final 2 or jury, so regaining her trust could secure her jury vote. At the very least, transferring immunity at the last minute could disrupt the alliances -- they'll need to make sure they have a contingency boot agreed upon in case immunity gets transferred unexpectedly.   S.O.B.
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04-12-02, 00:31 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: I doubt it" |
i don't know that Tammy's the type that would give up immunity- remember she wouldn't throw the challenge in Ep6...but we'll see
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sweetpea 223 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 08:56 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: I doubt it" |
In Tammy's exclusive POV on CBS.com she states that her stratgey is to win the individual immunities so she can't be kicked off. I doubt she would give it up with that mindset.
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shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 01:39 AM (EST)
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17. "Red herring alert!!!" |
>{JP} ...Kathy confronts Zoe about her
>lying ways.
> >{Kathy} Zoe just lied to me
>point blank.
>
....okay, look at those caps...notice anything out of the ordinary, such as teh fact that Kathy is wearing completely different clothes from one to the next. Yet she says, "Zoe just lied to me".
So, on a hunch I tried to remember anotehr time where Kathy might have said something like this and I came up with the Rob/Kathy/Zoe threesome in the woods from tonight's ep. So, I went back and grabbed the caps from that conversation...here, take a look... 
....now the shirt looks a litte different, but that might be the result of being in teh water...but it looks like the "Zoe just lied to me" most likely came from this conversation, after she got out of the water. There is a rip on her shirt in the caps from this ep, but I can't tell if the rip is present in the caps from last ep. Also, the buff looks to be in teh same position, although it is slightly different in teh out of the water shot. Maybe someone with better eyes for these things can make a more definite determination. But, if I'm right I think we might be entering the phase of the show where MB tries his hardest to convince us there is NOT, I repeat NOT going to be a post merge pagonging. The heleN clip at the end seems to be further misdirection along the same lines. I think at this point the only Rotu in danger of going before all of Mara is gone is John, and that might be as a sacrificial lamb by the alliance to show P/N that there is no suballiance in Rotu and thereby assure their loyalty till the end at which point they can easily be Rodgercized as poor IC threats who you most definitely don't want to face in the final two.
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04-12-02, 02:05 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: Sean spoilers vs. Tammy immunity" |
There has been a lot of talk about Sean winning the family-oriented challenge. It seems next week's reward callenge isn't that -- it looks like some sort of trip somewhere in the islands. So that would mean that Sean sticks around another week. But TAMMY has the immunity necklace from the previews... how on earth does Sean stick aroun without immunity?
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04-12-02, 07:47 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: Sean spoilers vs. Tammy immunity" |
One thing that has me absolutely thinking it WON'T be Sean getting the boot, even with a Tammy IC win, is the fact that he's mentioned on the See-BS site so prominently. The SeeBS site is notorious for its misdirection (so much so, that in the times I've posted it, I call it "SeeBS Misdirection for Ep. X"). From the previews, the titles (both Eps 8 & 9), and the misdirection, I personally suspect that Pappy is next to go. The Rotu's plan to wax the remaining NuMus, followed by the OldMus, will be in effect. There WILL be a Pagonging here, and shakestheclown was correct that this is MB's cool and desperate attempt to mislead up on that issue. *** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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citygirl 35 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 08:10 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: Sean spoilers vs. Tammy immunity" |
Why Pappy instead of Kathy, Neleh or Vee?
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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04-13-02, 01:58 PM (EST)
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45. "RE: Sean spoilers vs. Tammy immunity" |
But there is no reason to vote off K/P/N if they are thinking logically.Vat ees thees "logic" ov wheech ye speeek? Ich haf not seen thees, thees "logic" pheenomenon on thees program... kokoru, my logical-thinking friend, regrettably I'm going to have to beat you severely about the face and shoulders for even suggesting that these players might act logically. Since it hasn't happened so far, I do not expect it to happen now. More seriously: Kathy still has way to much of that old Rotu loyalty, and she has not seen that she is not a popular person, not to mention being on the outside looking in. Paschal and Neleh are beginning to figure it out, but it would appear that they feel helpless. Paschal and Neleh showed that Gina's "brainwashing" was effective, because P/N were gleefully and eagerly pointing out when Rob touched his platform in the last IC (in fact, everyone was doing it "He touched it! Rob touched it, Jiffy!" they all cried out). SO I don't anticipate P/N allying with Sean, and probably not with Vee. So while it's easy for us in our comfortable living room chairs to put this all together and think "logically", it would not be good spoiler practice to assume that these contestants will do the same.
*** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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04-12-02, 02:20 AM (EST)
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19. "Further misdirection " |
A. ~Sweetheart Misdirection~#1 "Sometimes, to stay in this game, you've got to get a little ruthless." #2 "I've been nothing but honest to everybody and following my heart....there's gotta be something changed here" B. Kathy clips Honestly, I think the "Zoe lied to me" clip would have to be from that episode....wait, that's not really what I mean. I'm saying it's not really all that important because "Zoe's lying ways" are one of the features for next week and whether Kathy's talking about another lie or if that is an old clip, the feature is focusing on Kathy-Zoe's relationship (Which is the only reason, IMO that Zoe has any focus at the moment whatsoever. If Kathy and Zoe weren't "close", she would still have no screentime and the "liar" title would be given to one of the other 3 members of the Rotu-4, most likely John). Yeah I know we had the "ooooooh it's a jam packed Night of Mysteries" thing that turned out to be a load of crap but when something is mentioned on the CBS "Next Episode" section, it'll make it onto the show. The Kathy-Zoe talk on the beach has to be about Zoe lying....the CBS site asks "Will they be friends?" (gawd that sounds like some 4 year old wrote it) And going with the misdirection and the way the questions like this one tend to lead, the answer is probably a big fat yes. C. Or it's possible that I've completely misunderstood you and spent time thinking all that out for no reason ;) ----------------------------------------
Now let us never speak of S3 again. Don't worry y'all, Gina and Bob will be back just in time for the final 3.  
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04-12-02, 02:45 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: Red herring alert!!!" |
Isn't pic number 3 from when Rob confronted Zoe in front of Kathy, Kathy walked off and said that Zoe just lied, then she jumped in the water. The first pic is the only new one out of them all. Not really sure exactly what that means though.
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04-12-02, 09:53 AM (EST)
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24. "Do my eyes deceive me..." |
Or is someone eating a Ritz cracker?
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Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 11:11 PM (EST)
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39. "The OFG Theory" |
Who's shown prominently (other than large group or challenge shots) in the Promo Vidcaps this week?Candidates:
Kathy, Zoe, Tammy, Vee, Neleh, Paschal Safe:
John, Robert, Sean Remember the OFG Theory is not infallable, but it is a good tool when used in conjunction with other spoilers and analysis... Krautboy
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Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings
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04-14-02, 11:38 AM (EST)
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51. "RE: The OFG Theory" |
OFG: What do you mean? You HAVE been infallible! Seven in a row! Amazing!It's me and my version of the OFG Theory that did not work for Sarah's Boot this season. Since I'm the one who took your original observation and coined the name "The OFG Theory", it has a special place in my heart. I also do not hesitate to apply my own interpretation... In my version of The OFG Theory, I only look at the original Episode trailer promo vidcaps for the following week. I have found that if you look at all the promos during the week, everyone is eventually featured in most episodes, and it waters down the usefulness of the theory. Looking at just the first promo has proven very reliable over the past seasons, but not infallible, as the Sarah Boot episode illustrates. Regardless, I will continue to be a vocal supporter of The OFG Theory and will continue to apply it the way that it works for me. And I will continue to read everything you write, because I love your fresh insightfulness. OFG: I'm rooting for you to go 16-0 this season!!
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04-12-02, 11:22 PM (EST)
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41. "Neleh feels vulnerable?" |
The pictures of Paschal and Neleh talking...
"Neleh -- to Pappy} I've been nothing but honest to everybody and following my heart...(cuts off)"
"Neleh -- to camera} ...there's gotta be something changed here."
...are after the IC. Paschal and Neleh did not win and are feeling vulnerable, wondering what has changed, longing for the old "love shack" days...Looking at the clothes, it seems that the Neleh/Paschal conversation is after the IC and before the TC. (The last 15 minutes of the show.) If Neleh is still confused and hasn't figures out that her, Paschal and Kathy should have merged with Vee and Sean, then it seems apparent that this weeks bootee is coming from this group. Is Neleh be one of the two "targets" that MB will edit as vulnerable leading into TC this week? Neleh vs. Kathy? Is John's plan for Vee and Sean, to have them help him get rid of Kathy, Neleh and Paschal, before Sean and Vee?
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sweetpea 223 desperate attention whore postings
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04-13-02, 10:36 AM (EST)
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43. "Pappy Wins Reward Challenge" |
Notice how Pappy's hair is combed and it looks like he had a shave in these pic which were probably taken after the reward and immunity challenges:
And, from the cbs web promo for next week: VO: Plus, a high flying challenge will give 1 castaway the
shock of their life. I think Pappy wins the kite flying reward, gets an overnight visit from his wife, gets to shower and shave and they experience an underwater viewing of the reef in a submersible.
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04-13-02, 06:28 PM (EST)
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48. "RE: Pappy Wins Reward Challenge" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-13-02 AT 06:43 PM (EST)Pappy does look trimmed, combed & clean right down to the creases. You may be right, sweetpea, that he wins the kite-flying RC. Kites were a very common play item years & years ago but not so much in recent years. He may still remember how to feel the kite through the string & work it into the air. No one else, in the pictures shown looks cleaned up--certainly not Neleh whose hair is as ratty as ever. Doesn't look like any other Soliantu got to go. I'm thinking he got an up in the air (just like the kite) helicoptor or plane tour of the island/s, and an over-night in a nice, touristy place, where he gets to do some diving or take a glass-bottom boat ride or something in a coral reef area. Seems early for a family visit but possible, I guess. What might this mean for the game? Well, Pachal is not around during some of the crucial post-Rob who's on who's side planning. I don't think Kathy or Neleh can plan their way out of a paper bag, but I still have hopes the Judge might be smart enough to figure it out & come up with some kind of strategy to take on old Rotu. Maybe while he's out on his RC he can get a new perspective. Edited to fix a typo & add coral reef stuff to fulfil 'underwater adventure' or however they phrased the reward.  Swami
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04-16-02, 07:53 PM (EST)
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53. "Did not shave" |
I think that maybe he got to fly high, but he obviously did not shave. It looks as if his hair were combed, but i dont know how that could have happened.
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04-16-02, 11:29 AM (EST)
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52. "just an observation..." |
This has nothing to do with anything, but is that Pachcal taking a leak in the background of the second last still shot?
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